Kevin Wampler wrote:
> clipka wrote:
>> A very unique atmosphere. I think there's nothing even remotely 
>> comparable.
> 
> I think Cowboy Bebop at least comes close.  Buy yes, Firefly was a great 
> show.

The genre is "space western", and Firefly does it a bit more ham-handed 
literally than some.  Cowboy Bebop, Outlaw Star, Gun X Sword, Trigun, 
are others, as is the universe of "Galactic Railway" series (good grief, 
http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=anime&aid=764 ), Bravestarr, 
Silverhawks, Space Rangers, technically Star Trek falls into this 
category a bit, Star Wars a bit more...

So, yeah.  It's more common than you might think.

--
Tim Cook
http://empyrean.freesitespace.net

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"clipka" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> "mone" <mon### [at] alienenterprisesde> wrote:
> > Enviable :). I only can remember that I had to drive a car with broken brakes on
> > some occasions :(
>
> Hm... my "sleep cars" never had bad brakes. But occasionally I'd be dreaming to
> be driving down a slope, and not able to step on the brake hard enough to bring
> the car to a full halt.

Yes, as you mention it, I remember this kind of bad cars too. Maybe the brakes
were not completely "broken" but not strong enough.

>
> As far as flying is concerned, I never needed planes for that. Just concentrate,
> and rise myself up into the air :D (It very much felt like lifting some weight,
> only that I seemed to be using muscles different from those commonly known to
> anatomy experts)

I know this flying thing, too but not on purpose, the ability was there or it
wasn't. It was rather like a sort of floating or swimming in air. In so far
that it was possible to push away from a solid object (just like in a swimming
pool from the wall) and than keeping the inertia and movement just by some
small movement. Maybe comparable to ice-skaters when they try to spin around
there own axis as long as possible.
Cool thread, btw :)). And rather strange, all the similarities between dream
situations ...

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On Tue, 12 May 2009 15:04:58 -0700, Kevin Wampler wrote:

> Talking about dreams, does anyone have dreams with plots/locations
> spanning multiple sleeping cycles which you can't remember while awake?

Rarely, but I have had this happen.  Often times when it does happen it's 
two subsequent sleep periods interrupted by being awake for a few 
minutes, and often the dream is lucid - and that's the reason I go back 
to sleep, to try to see what happens.

Recursive dreams are just weird.

I have a friend from years ago who used to keep a dream journal.  He 
remembers distinctly waking up one night and writing about the dream in 
the journal, but when he woke up the next morning, the pages were blank.  
He'd apparently had a dream in the dream, dreamed that he had woken up 
and written his entry and then gone back to sleep.

He said it was quite a pity, because he remembered the dream-in-a-dream 
was good but not what it was.

Jim

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On Tue, 12 May 2009 13:56:07 -0500, Mike Raiford wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
> 
> 
>> Flying is pretty common for me.
>> 
>> 
> I've had several dreams where I'm attempting to land a 747 on a highway.
>    Usually I'm successful, then wind up taxiing the plane all around
> town, being careful not to snag any telephone poles.

Mine tend to be without the aid of aircraft.  Just floating/flying, 
seeing my neighborhood from a bird's-eye-view.

> NOTE: I have no clue how to fly a jet like that. If I'm ever at the
> controls of such a beast .... :/

Get on the radio and call the nearest tower (hopefully the frequency set 
correctly) and ask for the vectors to an airport with an instrument 
landing system.  Ask for the frequency of the ILS on the active runway 
and the tower frequency (so you can notify the tower you need to make an 
emergency landing).  Ask the tower for a precision radar approach to the 
ILS.

Use the autopilot heavily to adjust altitude, heading, and airspeed.  Set 
the NAV1 radio to the ILS frequency and set the autopilot to use the NAV1.

Set the autopilot also to follow the glidescope.

And make damned sure the altimeter setting is correct.  You don't want to 
hit the ground until the right moment.

Oh, and put the landing gear down.  That helps.

(Can you tell I spend too much time flying simulators?  And in particular 
747s?)

Jim

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On Tue, 12 May 2009 09:20:01 +0100, Invisible wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
> 
>> And today's was quite good as well, but it helps if you've heard the
>> Car Talk radio programme (we listen to the podcast every week - think
>> of Tom & Ray as being the geekier cousins (who know more about how cars
>> work as a result of an engineering background) of the guys on Top
>> Gear).
> 
> I have no idea what you're talking about.

http://www.cartalk.com

> I also have no clue what "firefly" is all about - so the last half dozen
> strips made no sense at all.

http://tinyurl.com/8vu9n

and

http://tinyurl.com/3xp32

Both very good, highly recommended viewing.

>>> Heh. I keep wanting to encrypt by brain to stop the auditors from
>>> trying to steal it...
>> 
>> LOL, you would certainly want to use an anti-heuristic algorithm, just
>> to confuse them.
> 
> It's more that, loosely speaking, encryption is a way of protecting
> things from harm, and auditors are people who want to harm me. Thus,
> following that pretty vague logic, this suggestion kind-of makes sense.

That does make a certain amount of sense, yes.

> Almost all of my dreams involve me being persecuted in some way or
> other. So thinking about protection while I'm half asleep makes sense.

:-(

Jim

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On Tue, 12 May 2009 17:52:32 -0400, clipka wrote:

> (Haven't seen the movie though; but I bet it's worth it, too.)

Oh yes, it is.  We saw it in pre-release and then bought the DVD.

River Tam kicks *ass*.

Jim

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On Tue, 12 May 2009 21:21:20 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

>> Wait, what? Auditors? Harm you? Paranoid much?
> 
> Well, it *is* their job to prove that I'm doing my job wrong

Well, no, not really.  It's their job to prove your company is following 
the laws that they're required to and to document areas where compliance 
isn't being met.

Jim

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On Tue, 12 May 2009 09:23:18 +0100, Invisible wrote:

> Hmm. Maybe it's because I never ever missed one single class during my
> entire time at college and university? Even the pointless ones. It never
> really occurred to me that it was *possible* to miss classes; I guess I
> thought I'd get detention or something. I don't know. It never really
> crossed my mind. I've always been such a *good* little boy. Very
> obedient. That's what comes from having very strict parents...

God, this sounds familiar.

The weird dreams I had relating to school recently had to do with me 
skipping out on an entire semester of some sort of American History class 
because the topic was boring to me, and then showing up to take the final.

Weird.

Jim

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On Tue, 12 May 2009 09:57:39 -0700, Darren New wrote:

> I once sat a 45 minute test, finished in about 10 minutes. Went back and
> did it all again to check my work. Another 10 minutes.

That's one of the things that always got me in those classes - I'd also 
often get done so early I wondered what I'd missed.

I did a certification test a few years ago that I did this on - exam was 
2.5 hours long, I finished in 15 minutes.  So I checked my work - good 
thing I did, because I did actually miss something, and ended up crashing 
the test environment trying to fix it.

If it hadn't been for a configuration error in the exam environment, I 
would've been outta there in 15 minutes.  Fixing a series of cascading 
failures due to the configuration error took me another 2:15, at which 
time the exam crashed hard.

I was quite pissed about it because I'd scheduled the exam time 30 
minutes before my normal lunchtime.  So I was very hungry by the time it 
crashed.

Jim

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On Mon, 11 May 2009 19:06:16 -0700, Chambers wrote:

> On 5/11/2009 3:49 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> I had a weird experience a week ago last Saturday - don't know what I
>> was dreaming about, but I woke up convinced I had forgotten to check
>> and see what time I needed to be up for a meeting, took me a couple of
>> mins to realise that it was Saturday.
> 
> Have you ever gotten up for work, showered, gotten dressed, and went out
> to wait for the bus only to realize that it's 3:30 in the morning, and
> you could go back to sleep for 3 more hours?

Can't say I've done that.  Of course I walk to work 95% of the time these 
days (about 25 feet), and the rest of the time I drive 45 miles to the 
office.

So I can say I've gotten out of bed and stumbled to the home office 
before realizing that it wasn't a workday.  Does that count?

Jim

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On Tue, 12 May 2009 08:51:01 -0400, Kyle wrote:

> Chambers wrote:
>> Have you ever gotten up for work, showered, gotten dressed, and went
>> out to wait for the bus only to realize that it's 3:30 in the morning,
>> and you could go back to sleep for 3 more hours?
> 
> When I get up in the morning for work, it's dark outside.  One day, I
> woke up to see a bit of daylight, realized I was late, got a shower, got
> dressed, and then walked out the door to darkness.  WTF?!?  I had fallen
> asleep in the afternoon and had woken up just before dark, thinking it
> was morning.  GRRR!!!

I hate when that happens.  I do that on occasion.

Once (when I was teaching) I was flying home from Columbus, OH (via 
Cincinatti, OH) and I fell asleep before the plane took off and woke up 
after it had landed.  I don't remember the take-off or landing at all, 
just being in a moving airplane.

When I woke up, I had no idea where I was (other than "on a plane").

Jim

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> I have a friend from years ago who used to keep a dream journal.  He 
> remembers distinctly waking up one night and writing about the dream in 
> the journal, but when he woke up the next morning, the pages were blank.  
> He'd apparently had a dream in the dream, dreamed that he had woken up 
> and written his entry and then gone back to sleep.
> 
> He said it was quite a pity, because he remembered the dream-in-a-dream 
> was good but not what it was.

I love it!

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Tue, 12 May 2009 21:21:20 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> 
>>> Wait, what? Auditors? Harm you? Paranoid much?
>> Well, it *is* their job to prove that I'm doing my job wrong
> 
> Well, no, not really.  It's their job to prove your company is following 
> the laws that they're required to and to document areas where compliance 
> isn't being met.

In practice, auditors that don't find violations are like cops who don't 
give out any tickets because people are all obeying the law. The auditor's 
job may be to show your company is following the rules, but their 
performance is judged on how many rulebreakers they find. :-)

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   There's no CD like OCD, there's no CD I knoooow!

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> That's one of the things that always got me in those classes - I'd also 
> often get done so early I wondered what I'd missed.

I often worried about it, but in this particular class, I was the only one 
who handed in the first homework on time, with about 80% of the class 
admitting they hadn't even started, so I wasn't too concerned that it was 
too easy.

That was the one where I'd gotten f'ing sick of all the tedium of 
programming, and put off the first 4-week homework assignment until about 5 
hours before the class started.  Led to surprisingly modular code. ;-)

There have also been times in (say) math classes where I just completely 
skip a question, and the prof doesn't count it off, because it's not there 
at all to grade. I try to correct such problems, but only once. If the prof 
insists he counted right, I'll only point out the problem the first time. :-)

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   There's no CD like OCD, there's no CD I knoooow!

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> I have a friend from years ago who used to keep a dream journal.  He
> remembers distinctly waking up one night and writing about the dream in
> the journal, but when he woke up the next morning, the pages were blank.
> He'd apparently had a dream in the dream, dreamed that he had woken up
> and written his entry and then gone back to sleep.

http://bash.org/?451603

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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> I have a friend from years ago who used to keep a dream journal.  He
>> remembers distinctly waking up one night and writing about the dream in
>> the journal, but when he woke up the next morning, the pages were blank.
>> He'd apparently had a dream in the dream, dreamed that he had woken up
>> and written his entry and then gone back to sleep.
> 
> http://bash.org/?451603

IT'S NOT JUST ME! :-D

(I was about to post this exact quote...)

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Tue, 12 May 2009 13:56:07 -0500, Mike Raiford wrote:
> 
>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Flying is pretty common for me.
>>>
>>>
>> I've had several dreams where I'm attempting to land a 747 on a highway.
>>    Usually I'm successful, then wind up taxiing the plane all around
>> town, being careful not to snag any telephone poles.
> 
> Mine tend to be without the aid of aircraft.  Just floating/flying, 
> seeing my neighborhood from a bird's-eye-view.
> 
>> NOTE: I have no clue how to fly a jet like that. If I'm ever at the
>> controls of such a beast .... :/
> 
> Get on the radio and call the nearest tower (hopefully the frequency set 
> correctly) and ask for the vectors to an airport with an instrument 
> landing system.  Ask for the frequency of the ILS on the active runway 
> and the tower frequency (so you can notify the tower you need to make an 
> emergency landing).  Ask the tower for a precision radar approach to the 
> ILS.
> 
> Use the autopilot heavily to adjust altitude, heading, and airspeed.  Set 
> the NAV1 radio to the ILS frequency and set the autopilot to use the NAV1.
> 
> Set the autopilot also to follow the glidescope.
> 
> And make damned sure the altimeter setting is correct.  You don't want to 
> hit the ground until the right moment.
> 
> Oh, and put the landing gear down.  That helps.

*Jots this down* I'll keep that in mind, should I ever need to act out 
the heroic efforts of poorly acted action at 35,000 feet film. ;)

> (Can you tell I spend too much time flying simulators?  And in particular 
> 747s?)
> 
> Jim

Heh. I have FSX. I've played around with the Airbus A380 (I think?) Love 
it when I approach the airport and start getting "Sink Rate" and "Pull 
Up" messages. :D Though, I can land properly in FS, but basically in 
free-flight, I've never tried to use the NAV equipment or talk to the 
tower...



-- 
~Mike

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Kevin Wampler wrote:

> Also fun: recursive dreams (but these are pretty rare for me).

Ugh on the recursive dreams. Those usually end in a somewhat terrifying 
sleep paralysis episode for me ...



-- 
~Mike

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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:

> http://bash.org/?451603

I would like to use this opportunity to mention how much I positively 
HATE web filtering software. iPrism seems to think that this site is 
adult content.
-- 
~Mike

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Darren New wrote:

> Any good packages (better than Blender, say) for modeling such a thing 
> and building a 3D walkthru?  I tried it with a custom front-end to POV, 
> but the need to do bounding made it really tedious. Maybe I'll redo it 
> without using real lighting and it'll render at more than 
> pixels-per-hour without excessive work.

I want to play with skecth-up one of these days... supposed to be easy 
to work with, but I don't know how well it will do with interiors.

-- 
~Mike

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clipka wrote:
> "mone" <mon### [at] alienenterprisesde> wrote:
>> Enviable :). I only can remember that I had to drive a car with broken brakes on
>> some occasions :(
> 
> Hm... my "sleep cars" never had bad brakes. But occasionally I'd be dreaming to
> be driving down a slope, and not able to step on the brake hard enough to bring
> the car to a full halt. Always managed to avoid any accidents, but more often

Related, sort of ... Another thing that recurs in some dreams. I'll 
enter a room and get a sense of dread. I reach for the light switch, and 
flick it. The lights either don't come on at all, or only glow dimly. I 
then spend a good portion of the dream debugging the switch ... or 
freaking out ... depending on how strong the sense of dread is.

> As far as flying is concerned, I never needed planes for that. Just concentrate,
> and rise myself up into the air :D (It very much felt like lifting some weight,
> only that I seemed to be using muscles different from those commonly known to
> anatomy experts)
> 

I have had that kind of flying, too... I do it for a while, then forget 
how to... Gets frustrating.. ;)


-- 
~Mike

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Mike Raiford wrote:
> Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> 
>> http://bash.org/?451603
> 
> I would like to use this opportunity to mention how much I positively 
> HATE web filtering software. iPrism seems to think that this site is 
> adult content.

For the benefit of everybody except Mike:

http://bash.org/?429313

Can you spell NSFW? ;-)

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Invisible wrote:

> 
> http://bash.org/?429313

Bastard :-P

> 
> Can you spell NSFW? ;-)

FSNW?


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~Mike

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Invisible wrote:
> For the benefit of everybody except Mike:

I don't even think the USA is prude enough to fire someone over seeing a 
page that has the word "masturbate" on it.

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   There's no CD like OCD, there's no CD I knoooow!

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Mike Raiford wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
> 
>> Any good packages (better than Blender, say) for modeling such a thing 
>> and building a 3D walkthru?  I tried it with a custom front-end to 
>> POV, but the need to do bounding made it really tedious. Maybe I'll 
>> redo it without using real lighting and it'll render at more than 
>> pixels-per-hour without excessive work.
> 
> I want to play with skecth-up one of these days...

Good idea, thanks!

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   There's no CD like OCD, there's no CD I knoooow!

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Darren New wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
>> For the benefit of everybody except Mike:
> 
> I don't even think the USA is prude enough to fire someone over seeing a 
> page that has the word "masturbate" on it.

How about "Jesus"? ;-)

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Kevin Wampler wrote:
> Mueen Nawaz wrote:
>>     Continuation of a dream that occurred on a different night - I
>> think it
>> happened, but it's extremely rare for me.
> 
> This is more what I meant -- sometimes the earlier dream will have
> happened months or years ago.  This is admittedly relatively rare for me
> too.

	I should clarify. I _feel_ it's happened more often, but I suspect it's
more of a deja vu thing: That I never had the earlier dream, but while
dreaming this dream my brain somehow thinks I had that dream before. The
rare occasions are when I actually _know_ I had the dream/setting before.

-- 
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On Tue, 12 May 2009 19:32:43 -0700, Darren New wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Tue, 12 May 2009 21:21:20 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> 
>>>> Wait, what? Auditors? Harm you? Paranoid much?
>>> Well, it *is* their job to prove that I'm doing my job wrong
>> 
>> Well, no, not really.  It's their job to prove your company is
>> following the laws that they're required to and to document areas where
>> compliance isn't being met.
> 
> In practice, auditors that don't find violations are like cops who don't
> give out any tickets because people are all obeying the law. The
> auditor's job may be to show your company is following the rules, but
> their performance is judged on how many rulebreakers they find. :-)

I could see it that way, I suppose. :-)

Jim

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On Wed, 13 May 2009 07:07:35 -0500, Mike Raiford wrote:

> *Jots this down* I'll keep that in mind, should I ever need to act out
> the heroic efforts of poorly acted action at 35,000 feet film. ;-)

The interesting thing is that the Mythbusters actually did this (well, in 
a full-cockpit simulator).  They tried to land it on their own and didn't 
do very well, but they also pointed out that the autopilots in aircraft 
these days are pretty amazing, and the plane can for the most part fly 
itself.

Jim

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On Tue, 12 May 2009 23:57:34 -0300, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> I have a friend from years ago who used to keep a dream journal.  He
>> remembers distinctly waking up one night and writing about the dream in
>> the journal, but when he woke up the next morning, the pages were
>> blank. He'd apparently had a dream in the dream, dreamed that he had
>> woken up and written his entry and then gone back to sleep.
> 
> http://bash.org/?451603

That's just sick. ;-)

Jim

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On Tue, 12 May 2009 19:36:09 -0700, Darren New wrote:

> There have also been times in (say) math classes where I just completely
> skip a question, and the prof doesn't count it off, because it's not
> there at all to grade. I try to correct such problems, but only once. If
> the prof insists he counted right, I'll only point out the problem the
> first time. :-)

Now *that's* bizarre. :-)

Jim

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Mike Raiford wrote:
> Ugh on the recursive dreams. Those usually end in a somewhat terrifying 
> sleep paralysis episode for me ...

I have never had sleep paralysis, and from what I hear I should consider 
that a very good thing.

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> do very well, but they also pointed out that the autopilots in aircraft 
> these days are pretty amazing, and the plane can for the most part fly 
> itself.

I've heard that the computer in the US space shuttles is capable of 
completely landing the craft, and the only thing needed is for the pilot to 
lower the landing gear at the appropriate time.  Primarily to give the pilot 
something to do. :-) I couldn't say how true such a thing is, but it sounds 
right.

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   There's no CD like OCD, there's no CD I knoooow!

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Tue, 12 May 2009 19:36:09 -0700, Darren New wrote:
> 
>> There have also been times in (say) math classes where I just completely
>> skip a question, and the prof doesn't count it off, because it's not
>> there at all to grade. I try to correct such problems, but only once. If
>> the prof insists he counted right, I'll only point out the problem the
>> first time. :-)
> 
> Now *that's* bizarre. :-)

Not that bizarre.  Maybe I wasn't clear.

I'd answer questions 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, and 7, each on one side of paper. (It's 
a math class, after all.)   I'd get 10% off on #6, and 5% off on #2, and 
wind up with a grade of 85%, because the prof didn't take off the 20% for 
#3. He just counted up the points off that were written on the paper, and 
didn't count the points correct.

Happened at least twice that I remember. :-)

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   There's no CD like OCD, there's no CD I knoooow!

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Kevin Wampler wrote:

> I have never had sleep paralysis, and from what I hear I should consider 
> that a very good thing.

It can get pretty spooky... When it happens, I don't like it one bit.

-- 
~Mike

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"mone" <mon### [at] alienenterprisesde> wrote:
> > Hm... my "sleep cars" never had bad brakes. But occasionally I'd be dreaming to
> > be driving down a slope, and not able to step on the brake hard enough to bring
> > the car to a full halt.
>
> Yes, as you mention it, I remember this kind of bad cars too. Maybe the brakes
> were not completely "broken" but not strong enough.

No, the cars never were the problem; it was really me being unable to step on
the brake hard enough.

When I learned to drive, a lot of cars still didn't have motor-assisted brakes;
the driving instructor's car apparently was one of those bastards: All the
power to engage the brakes had to come from your own right leg. And we had a
few particularly steep roads where I lived back then.


> > As far as flying is concerned, I never needed planes for that. Just concentrate,
> > and rise myself up into the air :D (It very much felt like lifting some weight,
> > only that I seemed to be using muscles different from those commonly known to
> > anatomy experts)
>
> I know this flying thing, too but not on purpose, the ability was there or it
> wasn't.

To me, it was usually my way of escaping severe dream danger: If things went too
bad, I'd remember being able to fly, and so I'd do it.

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On Mon, 11 May 2009 19:06:16 -0700, Chambers <ben### [at] pacificwebguycom> wrote:

>
>Have you ever gotten up for work, showered, gotten dressed, and went out 
>to wait for the bus only to realize that it's 3:30 in the morning, and 
>you could go back to sleep for 3 more hours?

When I worked offshore, and we used to share cabins, my boss had the very
annoying habit of waiting until his cabin mate's alarm went off then he dashed
to the shower and toilet first. This went on for some time until his cabin mate
set his alarm to go off about 4 am then went back to sleep as Jim had his
shower. Perfecto :-)
-- 

Regards
     Stephen

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On Wed, 13 May 2009 11:00:10 -0700, Darren New wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> do very well, but they also pointed out that the autopilots in aircraft
>> these days are pretty amazing, and the plane can for the most part fly
>> itself.
> 
> I've heard that the computer in the US space shuttles is capable of
> completely landing the craft, and the only thing needed is for the pilot
> to lower the landing gear at the appropriate time.  Primarily to give
> the pilot something to do. :-) I couldn't say how true such a thing is,
> but it sounds right.

I think there's some truth in that, but I'm sure automating the landing 
gear is something that could be done. :-)

I'd have to have a look at my Shuttle operator's manual (as well as the 
sims of that that I've got floating around somewhere). :-)

Jim

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On Wed, 13 May 2009 11:01:53 -0700, Darren New wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Tue, 12 May 2009 19:36:09 -0700, Darren New wrote:
>> 
>>> There have also been times in (say) math classes where I just
>>> completely skip a question, and the prof doesn't count it off, because
>>> it's not there at all to grade. I try to correct such problems, but
>>> only once. If the prof insists he counted right, I'll only point out
>>> the problem the first time. :-)
>> 
>> Now *that's* bizarre. :-)
> 
> Not that bizarre.  Maybe I wasn't clear.
> 
> I'd answer questions 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, and 7, each on one side of paper.
> (It's a math class, after all.)   I'd get 10% off on #6, and 5% off on
> #2, and wind up with a grade of 85%, because the prof didn't take off
> the 20% for #3. He just counted up the points off that were written on
> the paper, and didn't count the points correct.
> 
> Happened at least twice that I remember. :-)

Oh, I was thinking we were in dreamspace still. :-)

That actually does make sense to me.

Jim

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What's with this letting dreams get to you? When I start to have a bad dream I
wake myself up. 
School dreams generally end up with me telling the teachers that they are only
teachers and couldn't hack a real job. And as for being naked in a dream, so!
Everyone has a body. There are only two types.
Last point, does anyone put in an order for a dream? It is a better method than
just getting what comes along.

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Regards
     Stephen

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On 5/13/2009 12:59 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> That actually does make sense to me.

Only if your math teacher can't count!

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On Thu, 14 May 2009 06:56:18 -0700, Chambers wrote:

> On 5/13/2009 12:59 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> That actually does make sense to me.
> 
> Only if your math teacher can't count!

Precisely. :-)

I've had maths teachers like that...

Jim

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Yay!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1Sg2PiQuCo#t=6m35s

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On 5/14/2009 8:33 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Thu, 14 May 2009 06:56:18 -0700, Chambers wrote:
>
>> On 5/13/2009 12:59 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> That actually does make sense to me.
>> Only if your math teacher can't count!
>
> Precisely. :-)
>
> I've had maths teachers like that...
>
> Jim

I had a statistics teacher who like to play lottery games.

She didn't like me.

It might have something to do with the fact that I told the whole class 
that the lottery is a tax on people who are bad at math.

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On Fri, 15 May 2009 07:32:04 -0700, Chambers wrote:

> I had a statistics teacher who like to play lottery games.

LOL

> She didn't like me.
> 
> It might have something to do with the fact that I told the whole class
> that the lottery is a tax on people who are bad at math.

Ain't that the truth. :-)

Jim

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Chambers wrote:

> It might have something to do with the fact that I told the whole class 
> that the lottery is a tax on people who are bad at math.
> 

My comp sci teacher used to call it a tax on the stupid. :D

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Chambers wrote:
> It might have something to do with the fact that I told the whole class 
> that the lottery is a tax on people who are bad at math.

Not really, because it's not just math involved. There's also a utility 
function that changes based on the amount of money you're betting.

Would you bet $1 once to have a 10% chance of winning $1000?

Would you bet $100,000 once to have a 10% chance of winning $100,000,000?

There's more than math to it.

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On Fri, 15 May 2009 09:58:20 -0700, Darren New wrote:

>  There's also a utility
> function that changes based on the amount of money you're betting.

That "utility function" can be represented as a mathematical formula, 
though.  It isn't a single equation, arguably, and each person's 
assessment of the risk involved would be different, but that's what 
"playing the odds" is, isn't it?

Jim

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Fri, 15 May 2009 09:58:20 -0700, Darren New wrote:
> 
>>  There's also a utility
>> function that changes based on the amount of money you're betting.
> 
> That "utility function" can be represented as a mathematical formula, 
> though.  It isn't a single equation, arguably, and each person's 
> assessment of the risk involved would be different, but that's what 
> "playing the odds" is, isn't it?

Right. But disagreeing with someone else's utility function isn't "stupid" 
or "being better at math".   It's the same math. You're just disagreeing 
with the value people put on their money.

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On Fri, 15 May 2009 11:12:53 -0700, Darren New wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 May 2009 09:58:20 -0700, Darren New wrote:
>> 
>>>  There's also a utility
>>> function that changes based on the amount of money you're betting.
>> 
>> That "utility function" can be represented as a mathematical formula,
>> though.  It isn't a single equation, arguably, and each person's
>> assessment of the risk involved would be different, but that's what
>> "playing the odds" is, isn't it?
> 
> Right. But disagreeing with someone else's utility function isn't
> "stupid" or "being better at math".   It's the same math. You're just
> disagreeing with the value people put on their money.

Well, with the value they put on their money and their perception of the 
chances of their probability of a gain being worth the risk of losing 
their investment.

Jim

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