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From: scott
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 03:27:38
Message: <4a013bea@news.povray.org>
> OK, so I'm on LinkedIn now.
>
> ("You are now connected with Jim Henderson". Eewww... it makes it sound 
> so... weird. What is this, a hive mind or something?)
>
> Any other random people want to be "connected" with me? o_O

It's funny, because just the other day one of my friends sent me an invite. 
So I made an account, and I seem to be automatically "connected" to my 
friend, but I have no idea how to find or add you...


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 04:15:14
Message: <4a014712$1@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:

> It's funny, because just the other day one of my friends sent me an 
> invite. So I made an account, and I seem to be automatically "connected" 
> to my friend, but I have no idea how to find or add you...

Yeah, my dad is similarly bemused. And so was I when a college at work 
added me a few years back.

The site is pretty unintuitive, for sure.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 04:23:13
Message: <4a0148f1@news.povray.org>
Gilles Tran wrote:

> Clue: do a google search?q=A+B where A is a software well known in these 
> parts and B a rather arcane computer language. The third or fourth link 
> should give you enough information to look him up in LinkedIn ;)

The more I look into this, the more I realise I'm nowhere near as 
anonymous as you'd think.

I mean, you walk up to a random guy in the street and say "hi", and he 
now knows what you look like and what you sound like. But he doesn't 
know your name, where you live, who you work for, or anything.

Walk up to a random forum on the Internet and say "hi", and suddenly 
people potentially know quite a lot about you. o_O


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 04:23:56
Message: <4a01491c@news.povray.org>
>> OK, so I'm on LinkedIn now.
> 
>    Why are you on there? That's for business people isn't it?

Some dude on teh intertubes told me it was a good idea.

>> Any other random people want to be "connected" with me? o_O
> 
>      I would, but I'm sick to death of registering and creating passwords 
> for nearly *everything* on the 'net now.

Yeah, I know what you mean...


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 05:20:35
Message: <4a015663$1@news.povray.org>
andrel wrote:

> feeding info in linkedin gives a guy from milton keynes that claims to 
> be a computer software professional. first bit of info matches, I am not 
> sure about that professional ;)

I love you too. :-P


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 06:02:27
Message: <4a016033$1@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:

> It's funny, because just the other day one of my friends sent me an 
> invite. So I made an account, and I seem to be automatically "connected" 
> to my friend, but I have no idea how to find or add you...

Heh, well well, let me see now...

The NNTP headers of your message record your IP address. A quick WHOIS 
query of the RIPE database tells me that this address belongs to a very 
well-known major electronics manufacturer. It also gives a location - 
Germany. (This vaguely fits what I remember you saying.)

Searching LinkedIn for a "Scott" located in Germany working for this 
company gives me a single hit - somebody working in the Munich area as a 
Senior Engineer, in the "automotice" field, educated at Cambridge. So it 
seems fairly likely that's you then.

But I need to pay money to send you an invite. ;-)

[Apparently this is an anti-spam feature. I like that; charging people 
money is a "feature".]

I'm not actually sure what information you'd need to be able to make 
contact. Maybe just my real name? (Which, as Gilles points out, is 
unfortunately trivially findable...)


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 06:38:43
Message: <4a0168b3$1@news.povray.org>
Do you know, LinkedIn as no less than 4 Phil Cooks living near 
Stourport? Indeed, two of them are web developers.

I'll bet none of them is the *real* Phil Cook though! ;-)



Hmm. There are quite a few Runes out there. And several of them live in 
Denmark. Ah, but only one has such an adorable photograph... And yes, 
the profile links back to runevision.com. It's him alright! :-D

[Oh, look at this: runevision.com links to LinkedIn anyway. Duh. I could 
have saved myself so much trouble...]



Oh well, I suppose I'd better go do some work now... :-/


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From: Gilles Tran
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 06:56:54
Message: <4a016cf6$1@news.povray.org>
"Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> a écrit dans le message de news: 
4a00a65f$1@news.povray.org...
> OK, so I'm on LinkedIn now.
>

Now you need to make your profile public, fill it with your resume, and 
well, remove "Official POV-Ray mascot" from your Honors and Awards List. 
That's cute for Myspace or FaceBook, but a little misleading for potential 
employers on LinkedIn ;) Ditto for the MathematicalOrchid hotmail adress: 
use a more professional-sounding one like firstname.lastname@gmail.com if 
you don't want to or cannot use the one at your workplace.

G.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 07:04:02
Message: <4a016ea2$1@news.povray.org>
Gilles Tran wrote:

> Now you need to make your profile public, fill it with your resume, and 
> well, remove "Official POV-Ray mascot" from your Honors and Awards List.
> That's cute for Myspace or FaceBook, but a little misleading for potential 
> employers on LinkedIn ;) Ditto for the MathematicalOrchid hotmail adress: 
> use a more professional-sounding one like firstname.lastname@gmail.com if 
> you don't want to or cannot use the one at your workplace.

You're right of course. It's just that being the POV-Ray mascot *is* the 
only real award I have. But yes, at some point I'll have to somehow make 
this look like a real person, not just an excuse for one.

(BTW, how do you know my email address? I didn't think that was public...)


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From: scott
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 07:24:49
Message: <4a017381@news.povray.org>
> The NNTP headers of your message record your IP address. A quick WHOIS 
> query of the RIPE database tells me that this address belongs to a very 
> well-known major electronics manufacturer. It also gives a location - 
> Germany. (This vaguely fits what I remember you saying.)
>
> Searching LinkedIn for a "Scott" located in Germany working for this 
> company gives me a single hit - somebody working in the Munich area as a 
> Senior Engineer, in the "automotice" field, educated at Cambridge. So it 
> seems fairly likely that's you then.

Easy detective work, isn't it :-)

> But I need to pay money to send you an invite. ;-)
>
> I'm not actually sure what information you'd need to be able to make 
> contact. Maybe just my real name?

I think I found you, but I came up against the "you need to pay" thing as 
well.  Oh well, might have been useful.  Now I wonder if this place lets you 
delete your account?


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From: scott
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 07:28:21
Message: <4a017455@news.povray.org>
> Walk up to a random forum on the Internet and say "hi", and suddenly 
> people potentially know quite a lot about you. o_O

In a way, yes, but people still need to do some work to find out that stuff, 
and most people avoid putting their actual home address on forums and social 
networking sites.

In Real Life you can always just follow the person until you get to their 
house :-)


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 07:28:33
Message: <4a017461$1@news.povray.org>
> Easy detective work, isn't it :-)

Hello Senior Engineer, how are you?

>> But I need to pay money to send you an invite. ;-)
>>
>> I'm not actually sure what information you'd need to be able to make 
>> contact. Maybe just my real name?
> 
> I think I found you, but I came up against the "you need to pay" thing 
> as well.

Some profiles let me connect, some don't. Must be one of the various 
account settings that you can frob.

> Oh well, might have been useful.  Now I wonder if this place 
> lets you delete your account?

Account Settings > Personal Information > Close Account


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From: Gilles Tran
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 07:30:37
Message: <4a0174dd$1@news.povray.org>
"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> a écrit dans le message de news: 
4a016ea2$1@news.povray.org...
> You're right of course. It's just that being the POV-Ray mascot *is* the 
> only real award I have. But yes, at some point I'll have to somehow make 
> this look like a real person, not just an excuse for one.
>
> (BTW, how do you know my email address? I didn't think that was public...)

It's in plain view in your profile. I do agree that the interface is utterly 
confusing but that's the case of all these social network thingies, it only 
makes sense if you hang out there 24/24.

G.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 07:31:35
Message: <4a017517$1@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:
>> Walk up to a random forum on the Internet and say "hi", and suddenly 
>> people potentially know quite a lot about you. o_O
> 
> In a way, yes, but people still need to do some work to find out that 
> stuff, and most people avoid putting their actual home address on forums 
> and social networking sites.

Yeah. I did some preliminary research, and it seems that various Google 
searches will tell you my real identity and who I actually work for, but 
there's nothing anywhere that says where I live. (Thank God!) Even so... 
pretty disturbing, eh?

(Mind you, the expressed *purpose* of LinkedIn is to let people find 
you, so I guess it's not so surprising that it lets people find you.)

> In Real Life you can always just follow the person until you get to 
> their house :-)

In Real Life you can tell when somebody is following you. ;-)


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 07:33:28
Message: <4a017588@news.povray.org>
>> (BTW, how do you know my email address? I didn't think that was public...)
> 
> It's in plain view in your profile.

Hahahaha... *sigh*

> I do agree that the interface is utterly 
> confusing but that's the case of all these social network thingies, it only 
> makes sense if you hang out there 24/24.

24 hours a day, 24 days a week?

So *that's* how farming became so efficient! :-D


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From: scott
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 07:36:36
Message: <4a017644$1@news.povray.org>
>> In Real Life you can always just follow the person until you get to 
>> their house :-)
> 
> In Real Life you can tell when somebody is following you. ;-)

Only if they are not very good at it.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 07:41:17
Message: <4a01775d$1@news.povray.org>
>> In Real Life you can tell when somebody is following you. ;-)
> 
> Only if they are not very good at it.

Ah, you have some experience of doing this then? :-D

Seriously though - how many people are actually good at this?


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From: scott
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 08:09:45
Message: <4a017e09@news.povray.org>
> Ah, you have some experience of doing this then? :-D

Hehe maybe :-) A certain society I was involved quite heavily in at 
University was based on a game where you get given 3 names at random of 
other people in the society, then you have to go and "kill" them.  Most of 
the time they were people you'd never heard of before, so some detective 
work was needed to find them.  Of course your name was on the lists of 3 
other people - so you had to watch out.  Was good fun.

> Seriously though - how many people are actually good at this?

There was one guy who managed to take out half the society (you get given a 
replacement name every time you kill someone, so you always have 3 people to 
go after until the end) and yet nobody I spoke to knew what he looked 
like...


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 08:16:36
Message: <4a017fa4$1@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:
>> Ah, you have some experience of doing this then? :-D
> 
> Hehe maybe :-) A certain society I was involved quite heavily in at 
> University was based on a game where you get given 3 names at random of 
> other people in the society, then you have to go and "kill" them.  Most 
> of the time they were people you'd never heard of before, so some 
> detective work was needed to find them.  Of course your name was on the 
> lists of 3 other people - so you had to watch out.  Was good fun.

Are you kidding me? That sounds insane! o_O

>> Seriously though - how many people are actually good at this?
> 
> There was one guy who managed to take out half the society (you get 
> given a replacement name every time you kill someone, so you always have 
> 3 people to go after until the end) and yet nobody I spoke to knew what 
> he looked like...

There's always one...

(Or is that "in the end, there can be only one"?)


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From: scott
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 08:32:57
Message: <4a018379$1@news.povray.org>
> Are you kidding me? That sounds insane! o_O

Warning - severe nerd/geek alert:

http://www.srcf.ucam.org/assassins/


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 08:46:33
Message: <4a0186a9$1@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:

> Warning - severe nerd/geek alert:
> 
> http://www.srcf.ucam.org/assassins/

It's heartening to know that my website isn't the *only* thing on the 
face of the Internet that's still trapped in a timewarp from 1997...

I still think this sounds... absolutely insane. I can't imagine how any 
sane person would think this is a good idea. But there we are.

Tell me, did you play while you were there? :-P


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From: scott
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 09:07:17
Message: <4a018b85$1@news.povray.org>
> It's heartening to know that my website isn't the *only* thing on the face 
> of the Internet that's still trapped in a timewarp from 1997...
>
> I still think this sounds... absolutely insane. I can't imagine how any 
> sane person would think this is a good idea. But there we are.

It was good fun, plus most of those societies at University are just an 
excuse to meet new people and do lots of social events :-)  I have two very 
good friends now that I would have otherwise never met.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 09:12:14
Message: <4a018cae@news.povray.org>
>> I still think this sounds... absolutely insane. I can't imagine how 
>> any sane person would think this is a good idea. But there we are.
> 
> It was good fun, plus most of those societies at University are just an 
> excuse to meet new people and do lots of social events :-)  I have two 
> very good friends now that I would have otherwise never met.

Well maybe. But this particular society seems like a step too far.

(If I *wanted* random strangers to constantly harass me, I'm fairly sure 
I don't need to sign up to an assassins' guild...)


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From: scott
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 09:22:46
Message: <4a018f26@news.povray.org>
> (If I *wanted* random strangers to constantly harass me, I'm fairly sure I 
> don't need to sign up to an assassins' guild...)

You can always lock your door - or better, leave it unlocked with some form 
of trap :-D


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 09:27:54
Message: <4a01905a$1@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:
>> (If I *wanted* random strangers to constantly harass me, I'm fairly 
>> sure I don't need to sign up to an assassins' guild...)
> 
> You can always lock your door - or better, leave it unlocked with some 
> form of trap :-D

Dude, I ever go outside *anyway*! :-P Being in this insane game would 
just mean that I'm even more paranoid than usual...

Besides, the rules claim that a player's room is OOB.


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From: scott
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 09:35:23
Message: <4a01921b@news.povray.org>
> Besides, the rules claim that a player's room is OOB.

It's not usually, unless you are hosting some official event in there.  As a 
general rule, anywhere you can't avoid going due to other commitments is OOB 
(eg lecture rooms, labs, libraries, organised sports events, etc).  That was 
how it worked in my day anyway...


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From: Chambers
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 10:17:26
Message: <4a019bf6$1@news.povray.org>
On 5/6/2009 1:23 AM, Invisible wrote:
> Walk up to a random forum on the Internet and say "hi", and suddenly
> people potentially know quite a lot about you. o_O

Woohoo!  I can stalk you now!

<maniacal laughter...>

-- 
...Chambers
www.pacificwebguy.com


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 10:42:56
Message: <4a01a1f0$1@news.povray.org>
Chambers wrote:

> Woohoo!  I can stalk you now!
> 
> <maniacal laughter...>

Actually, I'm guessing you can't. :-P


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From: Mike the Elder
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 10:50:00
Message: <web.4a01a2813a182e885627c70@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> OK, so I'm on LinkedIn now.
> Any other random people want to be "connected" with me? o_O
>
I've been connected, but never made.

;-)


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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 11:11:42
Message: <4a01a8ae@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> But I need to pay money to send you an invite. ;-)

WTF really?!


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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 11:12:14
Message: <4a01a8cd@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:
> Now I wonder if this place lets you delete your account?

Yeah, right.

http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000703.html


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 11:19:20
Message: <4a01aa78$1@news.povray.org>
>> But I need to pay money to send you an invite. ;-)
> 
> WTF really?!

Yep.

The idea, apparently, being that it stops random bots crawling the site 
and spamming people.

(The *real* purpose should of course be completely obvious.)


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 11:58:44
Message: <4a01b3b4$1@news.povray.org>
On Wed, 06 May 2009 09:23:12 +0100, Invisible wrote:

> Walk up to a random forum on the Internet and say "hi", and suddenly
> people potentially know quite a lot about you. o_O

Well, I can mention it now since your company's DNS records were changed 
- but finding your e-mail address was a trivial exercise before the 
record was changed. :-)

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 12:01:36
Message: <4a01b460$1@news.povray.org>
On Wed, 06 May 2009 09:15:13 +0100, Invisible wrote:

> scott wrote:
> 
>> It's funny, because just the other day one of my friends sent me an
>> invite. So I made an account, and I seem to be automatically
>> "connected" to my friend, but I have no idea how to find or add you...
> 
> Yeah, my dad is similarly bemused. And so was I when a college at work
> added me a few years back.
> 
> The site is pretty unintuitive, for sure.

Just takes a little practice.  The point to start with is in creating 
your profile - start listing things like languages you program in, the 
more information you can provide the better.

Have a look at my profile or others' profiles for the type of information 
that's of interest.

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 12:03:23
Message: <4a01b4cb$1@news.povray.org>
On Wed, 06 May 2009 11:02:26 +0100, Invisible wrote:

> The NNTP headers of your message record your IP address. A quick WHOIS
> query of the RIPE database tells me that this address belongs to a very
> well-known major electronics manufacturer. It also gives a location -
> Germany. (This vaguely fits what I remember you saying.)

Yup.  But you also post from work. ;-)

Jim


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 12:05:00
Message: <web.4a01b4743a182e853a485b50@news.povray.org>
"scott" <sco### [at] scottcom> wrote:
> > The NNTP headers of your message record your IP address. A quick WHOIS
> > query of the RIPE database tells me that this address belongs to a very
> > well-known major electronics manufacturer. It also gives a location -
> > Germany. (This vaguely fits what I remember you saying.)
> >
> > Searching LinkedIn for a "Scott" located in Germany working for this
> > company gives me a single hit - somebody working in the Munich area as a
> > Senior Engineer, in the "automotice" field, educated at Cambridge. So it
> > seems fairly likely that's you then.
>
> Easy detective work, isn't it :-)

Hey, speaking of it: I didn't bother to do the NNTP header and WHOIS detective
work, so I'm not sure what that company may be, but what the heck: "well-known
major electronics manufacturer" doesn't sound too bad. As it happens, I'm
currently searching for a new job opportunity as an embedded SW developer in
the automotive business; any vacancies at your company these days?

I currently live in Cologne, so if your company should happen to have a
subsidiary near Ford Cologne with development activity there... hey, that could
be a major hit.


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From: andrel
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 13:17:13
Message: <4A01C619.3050304@hotmail.com>
On 6-5-2009 12:02, Invisible wrote:
> scott wrote:
> 
>> It's funny, because just the other day one of my friends sent me an 
>> invite. So I made an account, and I seem to be automatically 
>> "connected" to my friend, but I have no idea how to find or add you...
> 
> Heh, well well, let me see now...
> 
> The NNTP headers of your message record your IP address. A quick WHOIS 
> query of the RIPE database tells me that this address belongs to a very 
> well-known major electronics manufacturer. It also gives a location - 
> Germany. (This vaguely fits what I remember you saying.)
> 
> Searching LinkedIn for a "Scott" located in Germany working for this 
> company gives me a single hit - somebody working in the Munich area as a 
> Senior Engineer, in the "automotice" field, educated at Cambridge. So it 
> seems fairly likely that's you then.
> 
> But I need to pay money to send you an invite. ;-)

No, I have never paid anything. Unless things changed recently. I think 
there is a suggestion that you do, but that may be just to fool those 
that not regularly work with computers. ;)

[Apparently this is an anti-spam feature. I like that; charging people
> money is a "feature".]
> 
> I'm not actually sure what information you'd need to be able to make 
> contact. Maybe just my real name? (Which, as Gilles points out, is 
> unfortunately trivially findable...)

It is easy to find for a Gilles, I would never had found it. Yet that 
also means that anyone with not so good intentions probably would have 
found it too. While you though you were still safe. You can trace it 
back to one simple mistake you made. Here in the newsgroup you have been 
careful not to give your family name. I decided not to bother to try and 
hide my RL identity. The effect is the same I guess.


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 14:23:18
Message: <4a01d596$1@news.povray.org>
Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Wed, 06 May 2009 11:02:26 +0100, Invisible wrote:
> 
>> The NNTP headers of your message record your IP address. A quick WHOIS
>> query of the RIPE database tells me that this address belongs to a very
>> well-known major electronics manufacturer. It also gives a location -
>> Germany. (This vaguely fits what I remember you saying.)
> 
> Yup.  But you also post from work. ;-)

Yes... At least our IP data doesn't have my email address on it. (It 
used to, BTW...!)

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 14:25:41
Message: <4a01d625$1@news.povray.org>
>> The site is pretty unintuitive, for sure.
> 
> Just takes a little practice.  The point to start with is in creating 
> your profile - start listing things like languages you program in, the 
> more information you can provide the better.
> 
> Have a look at my profile or others' profiles for the type of information 
> that's of interest.

I doubt anybody is ever going to rival the sheer volume of connections 
you have...

(Power-law distribution, much?)

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 14:28:24
Message: <4a01d6c8$1@news.povray.org>
>> But I need to pay money to send you an invite. ;-)
> 
> No, I have never paid anything. Unless things changed recently. I think 
> there is a suggestion that you do, but that may be just to fool those 
> that not regularly work with computers. ;)

Well, *some* profiles you can just connect with, others demand you pay a 
fee. I think it's a configuration option somewhere in the account 
settings, but whatever...

> It is easy to find for a Gilles, I would never had found it. Yet that 
> also means that anyone with not so good intentions probably would have 
> found it too. While you though you were still safe. You can trace it 
> back to one simple mistake you made. Here in the newsgroup you have been 
> careful not to give your family name. I decided not to bother to try and 
> hide my RL identity. The effect is the same I guess.

Carefully hiding my real name and my employer... and yet, it turns out 
to be trivial for anybody who actually cares to discover this 
information. (By *multiple* routes.) How precarious life is. :-/

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 15:18:31
Message: <4a01e287$1@news.povray.org>
On Wed, 06 May 2009 19:25:41 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

> I doubt anybody is ever going to rival the sheer volume of connections
> you have...

You'd be surprised.  I have people in my connections list that have 
thousands of personal connections.

I am selective in who I connect to - some of my direct contacts aren't, 
though.

I've also been on the thing for a few years now, too.

But browse the network - see any companies or job titles that look 
interesting?

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 15:19:39
Message: <4a01e2cb$1@news.povray.org>
On Wed, 06 May 2009 19:23:18 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Wed, 06 May 2009 11:02:26 +0100, Invisible wrote:
>> 
>>> The NNTP headers of your message record your IP address. A quick WHOIS
>>> query of the RIPE database tells me that this address belongs to a
>>> very well-known major electronics manufacturer. It also gives a
>>> location - Germany. (This vaguely fits what I remember you saying.)
>> 
>> Yup.  But you also post from work. ;-)
> 
> Yes... At least our IP data doesn't have my email address on it. (It
> used to, BTW...!)

Yes - actually, I knew that. :-)  That's how I managed to send a 
connection request to someone with your name in your city by mistake.  
You sure you didn't sign up before there?  Seems an unusual name to see 
two of in the same city.

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 15:24:25
Message: <4a01e3e9$1@news.povray.org>
On Wed, 06 May 2009 19:28:24 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

>>> But I need to pay money to send you an invite. ;-)
>> 
>> No, I have never paid anything. Unless things changed recently. I think
>> there is a suggestion that you do, but that may be just to fool those
>> that not regularly work with computers.
> 
> Well, *some* profiles you can just connect with, others demand you pay a
> fee. I think it's a configuration option somewhere in the account
> settings, but whatever...

I think that's a feature of one of the paid accounts - to limit the 
requests coming in to people who only know your e-mail address (for 
example).

> Carefully hiding my real name and my employer... and yet, it turns out
> to be trivial for anybody who actually cares to discover this
> information. (By *multiple* routes.) How precarious life is. :-/

Well, to people who talk to you regularly, you've given enough clues.

Years ago, I managed to track down a deadbeat dad who'd gone AWOL (with 
one of his kids) from the US military.  His fatal mistake?  Having a 
CompuServe account with a membership in a D&D gaming forum that used his 
character name - a unique name (not something like "Caspian", but 
something that he'd created) that a friend of mine who gamed with him 
knew.

Turned it over to the authorities, and his ex-wife got to see her 
youngest son for the first time in something like 10 years...to this day 
she doesn't know that I was the one who found him.

Jim


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 15:27:59
Message: <4a01e4bf$1@news.povray.org>
>>> Yup.  But you also post from work. ;-)
>> Yes... At least our IP data doesn't have my email address on it. (It
>> used to, BTW...!)
> 
> Yes - actually, I knew that. :-)

o_O

> That's how I managed to send a 
> connection request to someone with your name in your city by mistake.  
> You sure you didn't sign up before there?  Seems an unusual name to see 
> two of in the same city.

At least you didn't mistake me for Chopan... that's happened more than once.

(I did think maybe I should stop posting from work - and then I realised 
that since I've been doing so for years and some of the posts are on 
groups that never expire, anybody that cares can find out whether I 
continue posting or not.)

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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 15:30:26
Message: <4a01e552$1@news.povray.org>
>> Well, *some* profiles you can just connect with, others demand you pay a
>> fee. I think it's a configuration option somewhere in the account
>> settings, but whatever...
> 
> I think that's a feature of one of the paid accounts - to limit the 
> requests coming in to people who only know your e-mail address (for 
> example).

Hmm. Maybe...

>> Carefully hiding my real name and my employer... and yet, it turns out
>> to be trivial for anybody who actually cares to discover this
>> information. (By *multiple* routes.) How precarious life is. :-/
> 
> Well, to people who talk to you regularly, you've given enough clues.

More like, I'm too stupid to hide the information.

So Greats said that the greatest knowledge is in knowing that you know 
nothing. Ah, the sweet sting of being reminded. :-/

> Years ago, I managed to track down a deadbeat dad who'd gone AWOL (with 
> one of his kids) from the US military.  His fatal mistake?  Having a 
> CompuServe account with a membership in a D&D gaming forum that used his 
> character name - a unique name (not something like "Caspian", but 
> something that he'd created) that a friend of mine who gamed with him 
> knew.
> 
> Turned it over to the authorities, and his ex-wife got to see her 
> youngest son for the first time in something like 10 years...to this day 
> she doesn't know that I was the one who found him.

...remind me to NEVER piss you off! o_O

-- 
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 15:51:58
Message: <4a01ea5e$1@news.povray.org>
On Wed, 06 May 2009 20:27:58 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

>>>> Yup.  But you also post from work. ;-)
>>> Yes... At least our IP data doesn't have my email address on it. (It
>>> used to, BTW...!)
>> 
>> Yes - actually, I knew that. :-)
> 
> o_O
> 
>> That's how I managed to send a
>> connection request to someone with your name in your city by mistake.
>> You sure you didn't sign up before there?  Seems an unusual name to see
>> two of in the same city.
> 
> At least you didn't mistake me for Chopan... that's happened more than
> once.
> 
> (I did think maybe I should stop posting from work - and then I realised
> that since I've been doing so for years and some of the posts are on
> groups that never expire, anybody that cares can find out whether I
> continue posting or not.)

This is pretty true, yeah.

But going a step further, the other one of you up there in MK works for a 
company that looked to be the one you work for. :-)

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 6 May 2009 15:56:18
Message: <4a01eb62$1@news.povray.org>
On Wed, 06 May 2009 20:30:25 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

>>> Carefully hiding my real name and my employer... and yet, it turns out
>>> to be trivial for anybody who actually cares to discover this
>>> information. (By *multiple* routes.) How precarious life is. :-/
>> 
>> Well, to people who talk to you regularly, you've given enough clues.
> 
> More like, I'm too stupid to hide the information.

Nah, it's not stupidity, it's a part of being friendly and talking to 
people.  I post with an e-mail address of "nos### [at] nospamcom".  It 
wouldn't be hard from the information I've written here to guess my work 
e-mail address:

1.  You know my company, so start by adding ".com" to the company name.

2.  Do a google search of "@company.com" to see if anyone else has used 
their address publicly.

3.  See if the naming is consistent from one account to the next.

4.  Make an educated guess as to what my address would be.

Of course you don't need to do that because I gave you my personal e-mail 
address in another message here with some minor obfuscation. :-)

> So Greats said that the greatest knowledge is in knowing that you know
> nothing. Ah, the sweet sting of being reminded. :-/

I prefer "the more you learn, the more you realise you don't know".

>> Years ago, I managed to track down a deadbeat dad who'd gone AWOL (with
>> one of his kids) from the US military.  His fatal mistake?  Having a
>> CompuServe account with a membership in a D&D gaming forum that used
>> his character name - a unique name (not something like "Caspian", but
>> something that he'd created) that a friend of mine who gamed with him
>> knew.
>> 
>> Turned it over to the authorities, and his ex-wife got to see her
>> youngest son for the first time in something like 10 years...to this
>> day she doesn't know that I was the one who found him.
> 
> ...remind me to NEVER piss you off! o_O

Heh, in fairness, he hadn't pissed me off (I never met the guy myself).  
I was just curious if I could track him down - and once I did, I realised 
that it was likely there is a law in Utah that says that if you know 
where a deadbeat is and don't tell the authorities, you could get into 
trouble.  So I didn't really feel I had a choice at that point.

Jim


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From: scott
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 7 May 2009 02:58:41
Message: <4a0286a1$1@news.povray.org>
> Hey, speaking of it: I didn't bother to do the NNTP header and WHOIS 
> detective
> work, so I'm not sure what that company may be, but what the heck: 
> "well-known
> major electronics manufacturer" doesn't sound too bad. As it happens, I'm
> currently searching for a new job opportunity as an embedded SW developer 
> in
> the automotive business; any vacancies at your company these days?

Unfortunately we have nothing to do with software, we just make the LCDs and 
usually the Tier-1 company integrates it into the car.  A lot of the time 
the Tier-1 company will also outsource the software (or be directed to by 
the car manufacturer) because they can't do automotive grade software 
themselves.  If you are interested I can tell you the names of the 
automotive system integrators I've worked with here in southern Germany, you 
might find something on their websites somewhere?

> I currently live in Cologne, so if your company should happen to have a
> subsidiary near Ford Cologne with development activity there... hey, that 
> could
> be a major hit.

Unfortunately not, our Engineering office is here in Munich (also with a 
small sales office next door), the sales HQ for Europe is in Hamburg.  We do 
support Ford Cologne (I've only been there once though), the main projects 
I've worked on with Ford have been run from Ford US though.

If you're interested in Ford and software, then you might be interested in 
their Sync module:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Sync

That's what we're interfacing with for new projects at the moment, looks 
like there might be some software development needed for that, but probably 
done in Ford US.


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From: Chambers
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 9 May 2009 11:28:18
Message: <4a05a112$1@news.povray.org>
On 5/6/2009 5:09 AM, scott wrote:
>> Ah, you have some experience of doing this then? :-D
>
> Hehe maybe :-) A certain society I was involved quite heavily in at
> University was based on a game where you get given 3 names at random of
> other people in the society, then you have to go and "kill" them. Most
> of the time they were people you'd never heard of before, so some
> detective work was needed to find them. Of course your name was on the
> lists of 3 other people - so you had to watch out. Was good fun.

That game sounds AWESOME!

-- 
...Chambers
www.pacificwebguy.com


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: LinkedIn
Date: 9 May 2009 11:47:53
Message: <4a05a5a9$1@news.povray.org>
Chambers wrote:
> On 5/6/2009 5:09 AM, scott wrote:
>>> Ah, you have some experience of doing this then? :-D
>>
>> Hehe maybe :-) A certain society I was involved quite heavily in at
>> University was based on a game where you get given 3 names at random of
>> other people in the society, then you have to go and "kill" them. Most
>> of the time they were people you'd never heard of before, so some
>> detective work was needed to find them. Of course your name was on the
>> lists of 3 other people - so you had to watch out. Was good fun.
> 
> That game sounds AWESOME!

I actually had something very similar as an assignment in a high-school 
social studies class. The class got split up into teams of organized crime 
families and had to assassinate others with water pistols without getting 
caught.

The teacher was a very innovative social studies teacher. I regret I wasn't 
smart enough at the time to figure out what he was teaching.

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   There's no CD like OCD, there's no CD I knoooow!


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