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From: scott
Subject: Re: Fighting piracy on two fronts
Date: 27 Apr 2009 10:37:04
Message: <49f5c310@news.povray.org>
> Compare the deaths from the two groups, and deaths from doctors are higher 
> than deaths by gun owners.

Whilst true, a bit of a silly statistic only looking at half the story.  A 
better measure would be "lives saved as a direct result of actions minus 
lives lost as a direct result of actions".  I suspect doctors would be 
firmly ahead by a long way then...


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Fighting piracy on two fronts
Date: 27 Apr 2009 11:01:22
Message: <49f5c8c1@news.povray.org>
scott <sco### [at] scottcom> wrote:
> Whilst true, a bit of a silly statistic only looking at half the story.  A 
> better measure would be "lives saved as a direct result of actions minus 
> lives lost as a direct result of actions".  I suspect doctors would be 
> firmly ahead by a long way then...

  OTOH it's basically impossible to measure how many lives are saved thanks
to guns.

  For example, how many lives were saved thanks to the Normandy landings
and subsequent fall of Germany? Completely impossible to say.

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Fighting piracy on two fronts
Date: 27 Apr 2009 11:09:09
Message: <49f5ca95$1@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:
> I suspect doctors 
> would be firmly ahead by a long way then...

If you're counting professional doctors, wouldn't it be wise to count 
professional soldiers and policemen too?

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   There's no CD like OCD, there's no CD I knoooow!


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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: Fighting piracy on two fronts
Date: 27 Apr 2009 12:48:37
Message: <49f5e1e4@news.povray.org>
Chambers wrote:
> A mistake by a gun-owner results in someone getting shot and possibly
> killed.

I believe *his* point is: Guns are made for shooting and killing. If someone
gets shot or gets killed, is it a mistake? The gun did what it was made
for.


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From: somebody
Subject: Re: Fighting piracy on two fronts
Date: 27 Apr 2009 13:34:46
Message: <49f5ecb6$1@news.povray.org>
"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message
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> scott <sco### [at] scottcom> wrote:

> > Whilst true, a bit of a silly statistic only looking at half the story.
A
> > better measure would be "lives saved as a direct result of actions minus
> > lives lost as a direct result of actions".  I suspect doctors would be
> > firmly ahead by a long way then...

>   OTOH it's basically impossible to measure how many lives are saved
thanks
> to guns.
>
>   For example, how many lives were saved thanks to the Normandy landings
> and subsequent fall of Germany? Completely impossible to say.

Germans were not exactly fighting with forks and spoons.


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From: somebody
Subject: Re: Fighting piracy on two fronts
Date: 27 Apr 2009 13:41:45
Message: <49f5ee59$1@news.povray.org>
"Nicolas Alvarez" <nic### [at] gmailcom> wrote in message
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> Chambers wrote:

> > A mistake by a gun-owner results in someone getting shot and possibly
> > killed.

> I believe *his* point is: Guns are made for shooting and killing. If
someone
> gets shot or gets killed, is it a mistake? The gun did what it was made
> for.

Indeed. None of the three that are killed by that Georgia professor will
not, by definition, enter into the "accidental deaths by gun" column, for
instance. It's a disingenuous and meaningless comparison. Atom bombs, by the
same criteria, are the best thing that happened to humanity. Not a single
human has died from an accidental detonation. Thus, every household should
have one.


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From: somebody
Subject: Re: Fighting piracy on two fronts
Date: 27 Apr 2009 13:44:06
Message: <49f5eee6$1@news.povray.org>
"Chambers" <ben### [at] pacificwebguycom> wrote in message
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> On 4/26/2009 8:12 PM, somebody wrote:

> The latest figures I saw (from a website trying to debunk the "myth," in

Well, it must be true then.


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From: somebody
Subject: Re: Fighting piracy on two fronts
Date: 27 Apr 2009 14:27:09
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"somebody" <x### [at] ycom> wrote in message news:49f5ee59$1@news.povray.org...

> Indeed. None of the three that are killed by that Georgia professor will
> not, by definition, enter into the "accidental deaths by gun" column, for

, by definition, enter into the "accidental deaths by gun" column, for


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Fighting piracy on two fronts
Date: 27 Apr 2009 16:24:19
Message: <49f61472@news.povray.org>
somebody <x### [at] ycom> wrote:
> "Nicolas Alvarez" <nic### [at] gmailcom> wrote in message
> news:49f5e1e4@news.povray.org...
> > Chambers wrote:

> > > A mistake by a gun-owner results in someone getting shot and possibly
> > > killed.

> > I believe *his* point is: Guns are made for shooting and killing. If
> someone
> > gets shot or gets killed, is it a mistake? The gun did what it was made
> > for.

> Indeed. None of the three that are killed by that Georgia professor will
> not, by definition, enter into the "accidental deaths by gun" column, for
> instance. It's a disingenuous and meaningless comparison. Atom bombs, by the
> same criteria, are the best thing that happened to humanity. Not a single
> human has died from an accidental detonation. Thus, every household should
> have one.

  A gun is simply a more advanced version of a crossbow, which is an
advanced version of a bow. Nobody seems to oppose people who own and use
bows as a sport.

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                                                          - Warp


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From: somebody
Subject: Re: Fighting piracy on two fronts
Date: 27 Apr 2009 16:52:32
Message: <49f61b10$1@news.povray.org>
"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message
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>   A gun is simply a more advanced version of a crossbow, which is an
> advanced version of a bow. Nobody seems to oppose people who own and use
> bows as a sport.

I don't remember the last time I read a news article about someone using a
bow to kill people. We read about guns being used to kill people on a daily
basis. Maybe that has something to do with it.


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