On 12 Mar 2009 05:58:00 -0400, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:

>  Losing a significant amount of weight (in a healthy way) is definitely not
>easy, but completely possible. By far the major obstacle in this is the lack
>of proper motivation.
>
>  I lost 22 kg in 7 months by eating healthy and exercising. A medical
>examination afterwards confirmed that all my physical stats (eg. blood
>counts) were improved.

Well done Warp that is a significant amount of weight to loose. I once lost a
similar amount in a similar time frame when I was in my twenties. I still have
the "stretch marks" on my arms. Healthy eating and a modicum of exercise is the
way to go. It was probably easier for me as there were not so many sources of
processed and fast food around in those days. Also I did not have a car so I had
to walk more than people do nowadays.
As for motivation, I found that the more weight I lost the greater my motivation
became. :)
-- 

Regards
     Stephen

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> ...and that's when it hits you: YOU'RE A FAT ****ER!! o_O
> 
> I am seriously alarmed at this turn of events. My diet hasn't changed. 
> My lifestyle hasn't changed. 

OOC what does your diet and lifestyle (exercise) consist of?

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scott wrote:
>> ...and that's when it hits you: YOU'RE A FAT ****ER!! o_O
>>
>> I am seriously alarmed at this turn of events. My diet hasn't changed. 
>> My lifestyle hasn't changed. 
> 
> OOC what does your diet and lifestyle (exercise) consist of?

My diet is 80% cheese, 15% chocolate, and 5% other stuff. My lifestyle 
consists of spending hours sitting completely motionless in front of a 
computer, and also sleeping.

Given the above, I ought to be an eighty tonne walrus like my other. But 
I've always been a stick insect. But now, suddenly, I'm getting fat. If 
I'd *changed* something I could understand. But I haven't. The only 
difference I can think of is that I now do dance classes...

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>> OOC what does your diet and lifestyle (exercise) consist of?
>
> My diet is 80% cheese, 15% chocolate, and 5% other stuff. My lifestyle 
> consists of spending hours sitting completely motionless in front of a 
> computer, and also sleeping.
>
> Given the above, I ought to be an eighty tonne walrus like my other. But 
> I've always been a stick insect. But now, suddenly, I'm getting fat.

No, given the above continues you are likely to end up an eighty ton walrus 
in a few years.

That is exactly to be expected, when you are younger most people can eat 
what they like with little or no exercise and won't get fat.  Usually during 
your late 20s / early 30s that changes, it's just life.

Take some advice from Warp's reply before it's too late.  BTW it's not just 
the weight, having a diet and lifestyle like that is just not healthy and 
you'll increase the risk of all sorts of other problems later in life.

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scott wrote:

> That is exactly to be expected, when you are younger most people can eat 
> what they like with little or no exercise and won't get fat.  Usually 
> during your late 20s / early 30s that changes, it's just life.

I don't get it. I finished growing 10 years ago. Why the sudden change 
*now*?

> Take some advice from Warp's reply before it's too late.  BTW it's not 
> just the weight, having a diet and lifestyle like that is just not 
> healthy and you'll increase the risk of all sorts of other problems 
> later in life.

Well, if I'm not going to eat cheese any more, the question would be 
"what the heck am I going to eat?"

As for exercise... I only really have 3 hours a day that I can do 
anything with. I'm at work all day. My job involves sitting motionless. 
Can't really change that. I spent 2.5 hours per day sat motionless in a 
car. Can't really change that. That leaves 3 hours each evening.

I guess I could spend 3 hours each day running. However, there are two 
problems:

1. I can't run for that long.

2. That isn't long enough to make any measurable difference to a 
person's fitness levels.

3. That's *insanely* boring.

I guess you could maybe add in the weekends too... I don't know.

The irony is, I took up dance classes partly because I thought it would 
be good exercise. Hell, it seems physical enough! Enough to get me very 
hot and tired anyway. But, apparently, it's having no effect at all...

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Invisible a écrit :
> The irony is, I took up dance classes partly because I thought it would 
> be good exercise. Hell, it seems physical enough! Enough to get me very 
> hot and tired anyway. But, apparently, it's having no effect at all...

Ah but you don't know what would have happened *without* the dance 
classes :-) How long have you been doing that by the way?

If you manage to cram a pair of two-hour classes of physical activity 
into your schedule, I believe it could only be for the better. And it 
does not absolutely have to be running ;-)

-- 
Vincent

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>> The irony is, I took up dance classes partly because I thought it 
>> would be good exercise. Hell, it seems physical enough! Enough to get 
>> me very hot and tired anyway. But, apparently, it's having no effect 
>> at all...
> 
> Ah but you don't know what would have happened *without* the dance 
> classes :-)

Damnit, I need a time machine. :-P

> How long have you been doing that by the way?

Since January.

> If you manage to cram a pair of two-hour classes of physical activity 
> into your schedule, I believe it could only be for the better. And it 
> does not absolutely have to be running ;-)

The classes are one hour, not two. One hour, once a week.


(Actually, on reflection, if I had a time machine I wouldn't use it to 
find out if I'd still get fat... More like, go back in time, bitch-slap 
myself, and radically alter a few life choices!)

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Invisible a écrit :
>> How long have you been doing that by the way?
> 
> Since January.
> 
>> If you manage to cram a pair of two-hour classes of physical activity 
>> into your schedule, I believe it could only be for the better. And it 
>> does not absolutely have to be running ;-)
> 
> The classes are one hour, not two. One hour, once a week.
> 

I wouldn't expect to see any effect in that short time span, not with 
only one hour a week... Perhaps you'll have to supplement that with some 
other form of sport.

-- 
Vincent

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> I don't get it. I finished growing 10 years ago. Why the sudden change 
> *now*?

Your metabolism probably changes as you get older, meaning more of what you 
eat gets stored as fat and less gets converted to energy.

> Well, if I'm not going to eat cheese any more, the question would be "what 
> the heck am I going to eat?"

Um do you see anyone else having a diet of 80% cheese?  Read this:

http://www.eatwell.gov.uk/healthydiet/eighttipssection/8tips/

Is it that you don't like anything other than cheese, or you can't think 
what else to eat?

> As for exercise... I only really have 3 hours a day that I can do anything 
> with.

Even 30 mins exercise a day will have a huge impact, believe me.  I doubt 
you could even run for 30 mins straight at the moment, I know I could only 
just about manage about 10 mins very slowly when I didn't do any exercise 
previously.

If you attempt to walk/jog/run for 30 mins every evening and eat healthier 
food you will have lower weight in a few weeks, it's almost guaranteed.

> 3. That's *insanely* boring.

Well find something that you enjoy more, roller blading, cycling, swimming 
etc.  Hey even get one of those cross-trainer exercise machines and watch a 
DVD at the same time, that's what I often do if the weather is particularly 
bad outside, the time goes so quickly.

Believe me, you'll prefer doing the above to being in hospital with a heart 
attack later in life, read up on cholesterol, how much is in cheese, and why 
you have heart attacks.  A diet of 80% cheese is going to lead to a 
disaster...

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scott wrote:
>> I don't get it. I finished growing 10 years ago. Why the sudden change 
>> *now*?
> 
> Your metabolism probably changes as you get older, meaning more of what 
> you eat gets stored as fat and less gets converted to energy.

Heh. Next I get to have all my hair fall out. Yay, me. :-/

Damnit, my life is almost over now, and I haven't even *done* anything 
yet! >_<

>> Well, if I'm not going to eat cheese any more, the question would be 
>> "what the heck am I going to eat?"
> 
> Um do you see anyone else having a diet of 80% cheese?

Heh, no. Mind you, most other people seem to eat stuff I wouldn't touch 
even if you paid me. :-P

> Read this:
> 
> http://www.eatwell.gov.uk/healthydiet/eighttipssection/8tips/

Mmm, interesting. I had no idea starch was so great. Well, at least I 
can still max out on pasta and potatoe wedges then! There's no way I'm 
going to willingly eat slimy fish though. :-P

> Is it that you don't like anything other than cheese, or you can't think 
> what else to eat?

Well, at work I have cheese sandwiches. Given that there are no food 
preparation facilities of any kind, I'm struggling to think what else I 
could possibly eat. Crisps? That hardly seems like an improvement.

I often have cheese on toast in the evening, but that's just because 
there's usually no "real" food in the building. When it's available, I 
tend to eat pizza (so... basically cheese then) or cook some chicken. Or 
some other kind of meat. Or maybe just noodles. (Not very filling though...)

>> As for exercise... I only really have 3 hours a day that I can do 
>> anything with.
> 
> Even 30 mins exercise a day will have a huge impact, believe me.

Don't believe you.

I spent 2 years of my life cycling over 2 hours per day. It made NO 
DIFFERENCE at all. And let me tell you, each day I arrived at my 
destination *exhausted*. Still it made no difference.

> I doubt you could even run for 30 mins straight at the moment

I agree. I'm a sprinter, I never could do long distances.

> If you attempt to walk/jog/run for 30 mins every evening and eat 
> healthier food you will have lower weight in a few weeks, it's almost 
> guaranteed.

Er, yeah, right. I know of people who have been doing that for decades 
and still can't lose weight.

>> 3. That's *insanely* boring.
> 
> Well find something that you enjoy more, roller blading, cycling, 
> swimming etc.

Like I said, I took up dance classes because I thought it might help. 
But apparently not. Likewise, I enjoy rock climbing (surely a serious 
workout?), but the local climbing wall purposely shuts 10 minutes before 
I arrive home just to annoy me. And then there's skiing. Again quite a 
good full-body workout, but *damned* expensive.



> Believe me, you'll prefer doing the above to being in hospital with a 
> heart attack later in life, read up on cholesterol, how much is in 
> cheese, and why you have heart attacks.  A diet of 80% cheese is going 
> to lead to a disaster...

Well, I recently had a blood test specifically looking for cholesterol, 
and apparently they found nothing unusual. The 80% figure, like all 
statistics, is made up off the top of my head. I haven't actually 
*measured* it or anything, it just seems like about the right number.

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