Jim Henderson wrote:
> I dunno, mucking about with other companies' software?  

Installing an extension in a documented way is "mucking about with other 
companie's software"?

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   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   My fortune cookie said, "You will soon be
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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
> > I dunno, mucking about with other companies' software?  

> Installing an extension in a documented way is "mucking about with other 
> companie's software"?

  EU laws probably forbid the kind of action described here. "You
accepted our EULA" is not an excuse if the EULA in question is illegal.

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On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 16:13:23 -0800, Darren New wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> I dunno, mucking about with other companies' software?
> 
> Installing an extension in a documented way is "mucking about with other
> companie's software"?

I was commenting on Chris' comment about Windows Update and WGA Terms 
letting Microsoft do "more or less whatever they like".

Jim

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Warp wrote:
> Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> I dunno, mucking about with other companies' software?  
> 
>> Installing an extension in a documented way is "mucking about with other 
>> companie's software"?
> 
>   EU laws probably forbid the kind of action described here. "You
> accepted our EULA" is not an excuse if the EULA in question is illegal.

Um, OK. So how does a virus cleaner work with the EU laws?

I don't know about you, but I got told when MS was adding the extension to 
firefox. Maybe I just didn't click thru the notices everyone else did, or 
maybe they changed it by the time I installed it, or something.

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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> >   EU laws probably forbid the kind of action described here. "You
> > accepted our EULA" is not an excuse if the EULA in question is illegal.

> Um, OK. So how does a virus cleaner work with the EU laws?

  You mean virus cleaners modify your system without asking?

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Warp wrote:
>   You mean virus cleaners modify your system without asking?

As much as installing any other software does, yes?  Haven't you gotten 
"Whoop whoop! Virus detected!" and then cleaned it?

How is "I'd like to install this software, which includes yidda yadda and 
this firefox extension" now asking?

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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> Warp wrote:
> >   You mean virus cleaners modify your system without asking?

> As much as installing any other software does, yes?  Haven't you gotten 
> "Whoop whoop! Virus detected!" and then cleaned it?

> How is "I'd like to install this software, which includes yidda yadda and 
> this firefox extension" now asking?

  So you are saying that the article at
http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/article08-600 is lying when it says
"without asking your permission"?

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Warp wrote:
>   So you are saying that the article at
> http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/article08-600 is lying when it says
> "without asking your permission"?

Not necessarily. I'm saying *I* got asked permission. The EULA when I 
downloaded SP1 mentioned it. When firefox started up afterwards, it asked me 
if I wanted to install stuff without asking, with a default of "no". Firefox 
always pops up a window when you start it saying what new extensions it has 
installed, so it's not like you can miss it.

Now, maybe between this blog post being posted and my personally getting 
.NET SP1, Microsoft changed the EULA or something.  I wasn't surprised by 
it, nor was it ever in a state where I would randomly install clickonce 
software without being prompted. Maybe it's just because I was paying more 
attention and I knew what the technical terms meant.

Out of curiosity, would you be upset if a windows update upgraded IE or 
Office to work with the latest version of click-once software?

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   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> Out of curiosity, would you be upset if a windows update upgraded IE or 
> Office to work with the latest version of click-once software?

  No, because I don't use IE nor Office.

  Even if I did, I would be upset if the added feature is a potential
security risk.

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Darren New wrote:
> And you're told it's getting installed. People just click past that, because 
> it's checked by default.  It's like complaining you didn't ask for Clippy. 
> Or maybe I'm one of the small number of people who actually read the list of 
> stuff I'm installing before I install it.  Maybe that's why my machine 
> doesn't get the "windows slowness rot" everyone else's seem to.

I don't see how you manage to misunderstand what I said.

I was NOT told it was being installed.

NOT. Do you understand NOT???

I was NOT ASKED and NOT TOLD.

Not on my home workstation, not on my office one.

It's clear you don't believe that and frankly I don't care. What I said is
true whether you choose to believe it or not.

-- Chris

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