Kevin Wampler wrote:
> Not that I can't understand why you wouldn't like it, and I agree that 
> the visuals are the only really interesting part, 

Not just the visuals. The story, the design, etc. The interaction was simple 
and straightforward.

I've seen lots of later games with fabulous visuals that really sucked as 
games or even stories (I'm looking at you, Schism!). The creators got it 
wrong, thinking that only the visuals mattered.

I, myself, have always thought the whole Myst series was amazingly PG given 
that you could play the whole game with one hand.

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And lo On Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:41:51 -0000, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> did  
spake thusly:

>   With the recent gaming-related threads, I thought about creating one
> myself: Do you have any game gems which you would recommend people to  
> try?
> Maybe an older game which most people have forgotten, which is still  
> today as great as back then? Or a game which didn't get too much media  
> attention but is actually incredibly cool?

Darren's mentioned the biggies, but I'll add System Shock 1 and 2 the  
spirtual successors of Bioshock. The first hasn't aged well graphically  
and the control system wouldn't be allowed in this day and age, but the  
underlying system is still sound and the sequel solved a lot of that.

Soul Reaver - 1999 game for the PS1 that I still play, despite the ageing  
graphics technically it can still knock the socks of most modern games.

Silent Hill 1 & 2 - Set the benchmark for horror without the sudden death  
scenarios of the original Alone in the Dark's.

Portal - All the hype, but the best way to think of it is as a confined  
sand-box; this is what has to happen or where you have to go now do it  
anyway you like.

Beyond Oasis (The Story of Thor) - a Megadrive/Genesis RPGish type game;  
didn't get the attention it deserved.

Just throwing a couple of others out there - Flashback, Snatcher,  
Syndicate, and Keio Flying Squadron

Oh and I'm still playing Fallout3 for the second time and I'll be playing  
it a third time to explore the Bad Side, and then maybe a fourth time for  
the Balanced Side, and then maybe a speed run, and then... ;-)

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Phil Cook v2 <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
> Darren's mentioned the biggies, but I'll add System Shock 1 and 2 the  
> spirtual successors of Bioshock.

  I don't think that's what you intended to say... :P

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Phil Cook v2 wrote:
> Darren's mentioned the biggies,

I also quite like Undying (great story and settings and magic/weapons/etc), 
altho it wasn't what I'd call classic or anything. And McGee's Alice, 
primarily because of the ties in to the book and the surrealism.

> but I'll add System Shock 1 and 2 the 

I never managed to get it to run here, but I've seen videos. The on thing 
that kills me with these games is when all the levels look the same. It 
looks like DOOM3 is pretty much like that. You have "indoor base", "mars 
surface", and "hades", and that's pretty much the three levels you have. At 
least from my limited viewing of the game being played. I think SS was the 
same way, if not moreso.

> Portal - All the hype, but the best way to think of it is as a confined 
> sand-box; this is what has to happen or where you have to go now do it 
> anyway you like.

Yeah. That looked like lots of fun. And a novel way of doing things. Perhaps 
Mirror's Edge was inspired a bit by Portal.

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   "What's wrong? Noodles too hot?"
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On 2/9/2009 7:14 AM, Phil Cook v2 wrote:
> Syndicate,

Did you hear they're considering doing a remake (as in, a particular 
developer is interested in making it, and trying to secure both the 
rights and funding to pursue the project)?  Now, THAT would be a great 
choice :)

BTW, another few I thought of were:
Oni.  A Third person beat-em-up by Bungie (pre-Halo), very engaging.

Star Control 2.  If you're a fan of the original Star Trek, you should 
enjoy this tongue-in-cheek spiff of it.  Crazy species, great combat, 
doomsday devices, and gratuitous alien sex scenes!  Does it get any 
better than this? :)

Not to mention, one of the greatest quotes from a bad guy ever: "You are 
filth.  We shall cleanse." :)

(Don't bother with 1 or 3, though)

> Oh and I'm still playing Fallout3 for the second time and I'll be
> playing it a third time to explore the Bad Side, and then maybe a fourth
> time for the Balanced Side, and then maybe a speed run, and then... ;-)

You know, since I finished the story, I just haven't been interested in 
going back and playing any more... it's a shame, as it was really fun 
while I was into it.

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And lo On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 16:40:31 -0000, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> did  
spake thusly:

> Phil Cook v2 <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>> Darren's mentioned the biggies, but I'll add System Shock 1 and 2 the
>> spirtual successors of Bioshock.
>
>   I don't think that's what you intended to say... :P

No I don't think I intended to say that :-P

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And lo On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 18:47:24 -0000, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom>  
did spake thusly:

> Phil Cook v2 wrote:
>> Darren's mentioned the biggies,
>
> I also quite like Undying (great story and settings and  
> magic/weapons/etc),

That's one I picked up on your recommendation and yes I did enjoy it,  
reminded me a little of Blood for some reason.

> altho it wasn't what I'd call classic or anything. And McGee's Alice,  
> primarily because of the ties in to the book and the surrealism.

That could have been better. Both the story and design was very nice and  
it had a few neat little platformng innovations such as the footprints  
showing where you'd land, but it just lacked something IDK.

>> but I'll add System Shock 1 and 2 the
>
> I never managed to get it to run here, but I've seen videos.

I've got SS2 to run on XP and added in the SHTUP high-def texture patch  
without a problem if you've got Thief to run so should SS2.

> The on thing that kills me with these games is when all the levels look  
> the same. It looks like DOOM3 is pretty much like that. You have "indoor  
> base", "mars surface", and "hades", and that's pretty much the three  
> levels you have. At least from my limited viewing of the game being  
> played. I think SS was the same way, if not moreso.

To be fair you are stuck on a space-station or space-ship in SS1 and SS2  
respectively so gray is the theme ;-) Them again there are the hydroponics  
bays and the organic presence of the Many. I will say that unlike some  
games I didn't get overtly lost in SS2. I would occasionally end up back  
where I started from following some passage, but at least I'd recognise  
the fact and I could navigate my way around without reverting to the map  
most of the time.

>> Portal - All the hype, but the best way to think of it is as a confined  
>> sand-box; this is what has to happen or where you have to go now do it  
>> anyway you like.
>
> Yeah. That looked like lots of fun.

My cousin just didn't 'get it', I suppose you need a problem solving brain  
to appreciate it.

> And a novel way of doing things. Perhaps Mirror's Edge was inspired a  
> bit by Portal.

Conceptually perhaps, but IMO they messed it up by adding in the  
gun-toting enemies in a sporadic system - i.e. sometimes you have to avoid  
them, sometimes you have to take them out; make up your mind. Also it  
could be darn pernickity about where you land - run along with someone  
shooting at you, drop down at a minor angle and run towards a ramp, jump  
and... miss the drainpipe by an inch, fall, die, repeat. In Portal even if  
I didn't make it over a barrier or to a platform I never blamed the game;  
I accepted I hadn't placed the portal correctly, entered it with the  
correct orientation, or simply messed up my timing.

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And lo On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 03:07:24 -0000, Chambers  
<ben### [at] pacificwebguycom> did spake thusly:

> On 2/9/2009 7:14 AM, Phil Cook v2 wrote:
>> Syndicate,
>
> Did you hear they're considering doing a remake (as in, a particular  
> developer is interested in making it, and trying to secure both the  
> rights and funding to pursue the project)?  Now, THAT would be a great  
> choice :)

Mmmm Wikipedia suggests it may be an online thing, which would be  
interesting; sounds like it could be a bit like EVE.

>> Oh and I'm still playing Fallout3 for the second time and I'll be
>> playing it a third time to explore the Bad Side, and then maybe a fourth
>> time for the Balanced Side, and then maybe a speed run, and then... ;-)
>
> You know, since I finished the story, I just haven't been interested in  
> going back and playing any more... it's a shame, as it was really fun  
> while I was into it.

I just want to blow up Megaton, crush Moira's dreams, burn Harold, and  
shoot all the good guys in the head just to see where it takes me. Saying  
that there are annoyances - it seems to be a lot less stable since the PS3  
patch; some of the conversations can't be repeated; the random encounters  
can be a pain to get; and the annoyance that with a level cap of 20 and a  
choice of four perks for that level you need to save just prior to  
leveling up in order to try them all out, or play the whole game four  
times.

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On 2/10/2009 1:47 AM, Phil Cook v2 wrote:
> I just want to blow up Megaton, crush Moira's dreams, burn Harold, and
> shoot all the good guys in the head just to see where it takes me.

I'm looking forward to playing Vault 13* as an evil bad guy :)  Evil 
dreams, here I come!

*I think it is.  It's the one where you find your father.

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And lo On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:19:19 -0000, Chambers  
<ben### [at] pacificwebguycom> did spake thusly:

> On 2/10/2009 1:47 AM, Phil Cook v2 wrote:
>> I just want to blow up Megaton, crush Moira's dreams, burn Harold, and
>> shoot all the good guys in the head just to see where it takes me.
>
> I'm looking forward to playing Vault 13* as an evil bad guy :)  Evil  
> dreams, here I come!
>
> *I think it is.  It's the one where you find your father.

Oh yes that was cool um Vault 112 [checks] yep. I skipped the whole thing  
via the old lady. She just happened to be the first person I spoke to  
before being told to make the kid cry.

Annoyingly on Very Hard you get 150% of the experience for killing  
someone; although they're much tougher this means I've hit level 20  
already. I can still get killed (Talon Company especially are unpleasant  
in packs), but it means Radscorpions and the like are just a nuisance and  
waste of ammo; heck I'm using the Shishkebab and the Deathclaw Gauntlet on  
them to save ammo.

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