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> I was under the impression that the rod is ridig, and therefore can't
> twist (only rotate).
Nothing is perfectly rigid, a strain gauge on the rod will easily pick up
the twist in a rod accurately enough to determine the torque and angle it is
twisted.
On the older style mechanical systems they probably have a special small
section that is a more flexible than the actual rod, that incorporates the
valve design etc.
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scott wrote:
>> I was under the impression that the rod is ridig, and therefore can't
>> twist (only rotate).
>
> Nothing is perfectly rigid, a strain gauge on the rod will easily pick
> up the twist in a rod accurately enough to determine the torque and
> angle it is twisted.
>
> On the older style mechanical systems they probably have a special small
> section that is a more flexible than the actual rod, that incorporates
> the valve design etc.
Mmm, OK.
Presumably you want it to not be *too* flexible though, lest the power
steering mechanism stops working. It would be nice to still be able to
steer. ;-)
Tell me, does this mean that there's no such thing as an inelastic
collission outside of textbooks?
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Invisible <voi### [at] dev null> wrote:
> OOC, how much snow is there in the various other parts of the world
> where POVers are reading this??
Last Wednesday morning we had 12 inches. When I looked outside, my Miata wasn't
much more than a bump in the driveway. Since I live on a side road that usually
doesn't get plowed till late, I turned around and went back to bed. Didn't make
it out until about 3PM. All the roads are now clear, but we still have 8 to 10
inches of snow still on the ground.
Isaac
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Clarence1898 wrote:
> Last Wednesday morning we had 12 inches. When I looked outside, my Miata wasn't
> much more than a bump in the driveway. Since I live on a side road that usually
> doesn't get plowed till late, I turned around and went back to bed. Didn't make
> it out until about 3PM. All the roads are now clear, but we still have 8 to 10
> inches of snow still on the ground.
12 inches. Now that sounds like an actual snowfall.
OOC, where is this?
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> Presumably you want it to not be *too* flexible though, lest the power
> steering mechanism stops working. It would be nice to still be able to
> steer. ;-)
Well yes, I assume we're talking about "flexible" enough to allow a tiny jet
of hydraulic fluid to open under really vigorous steering, not a bit of
rubber that's going to twist through 180 degrees :-)
> Tell me, does this mean that there's no such thing as an inelastic
> collission outside of textbooks?
YOu mean no such thing as an *elastic* collision? No, not at a macroscopic
level. Any collision is going to lose some energy to sound, heat, plastic
deformation etc, some things get pretty close though.
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Clarence1898 wrote:
>
> > Last Wednesday morning we had 12 inches. When I looked outside, my Miata wasn't
> > much more than a bump in the driveway. Since I live on a side road that usually
> > doesn't get plowed till late, I turned around and went back to bed. Didn't make
> > it out until about 3PM. All the roads are now clear, but we still have 8 to 10
> > inches of snow still on the ground.
>
> 12 inches. Now that sounds like an actual snowfall.
>
> OOC, where is this?
Indianapolis. This was the worst snow in about 5 years. Normally we'll get a 6
to 8 inch fall sometime during the winter. So a little worse than usual but not
terrible.
Isaac
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>> OOC, where is this?
>
> Indianapolis. This was the worst snow in about 5 years. Normally we'll get a 6
> to 8 inch fall sometime during the winter. So a little worse than usual but not
> terrible.
Mmm, interesting. My company's HQ is in that state...
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> >> OOC, where is this?
> >
> > Indianapolis. This was the worst snow in about 5 years. Normally we'll get a 6
> > to 8 inch fall sometime during the winter. So a little worse than usual but not
> > terrible.
>
> Mmm, interesting. My company's HQ is in that state...
Yes, very interesting. The world can sometimes be a very small place. AFAIK
the company I work for does not have any offices or subsidiaries in the UK.
Actually our corporate HQ is in NY, IT and a distribution center is here in
Indiana.
Isaac.
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Invisible wrote:
> Seriously though, you'd think they'd just put lots of spare cable in
> there so you can add new connections without rearranging half the car...
There are all kinds of shared-bus network protocols designed for inside of
cars. You wouldn't be able to open your door for all the cables in the hings
if all the devices in the door had their own wires.
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"Ouch ouch ouch!"
"What's wrong? Noodles too hot?"
"No, I have Chopstick Tunnel Syndrome."
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>>>> OOC, where is this?
>>> Indianapolis.
>> Mmm, interesting. My company's HQ is in that state...
>
> Yes, very interesting. The world can sometimes be a very small place. AFAIK
> the company I work for does not have any offices or subsidiaries in the UK.
> Actually our corporate HQ is in NY, IT and a distribution center is here in
> Indiana.
Well, I mean, there's only, what, 50 states in the USA? Given that my
company has 3 sites over there, *somebody* is bound to be in the same
state as one of them! ;-)
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>> Tell me, does this mean that there's no such thing as an inelastic
>> collission outside of textbooks?
>
> YOu mean no such thing as an *elastic* collision? No, not at a
> macroscopic level. Any collision is going to lose some energy to sound,
> heat, plastic deformation etc, some things get pretty close though.
No, I mean... it's not "really" possible for two solid objects to hit
each other without deforming at all.
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Well, I mean, there's only, what, 50 states in the USA? Given that my
> company has 3 sites over there, *somebody* is bound to be in the same
> state as one of them! ;-)
I dunno. My wife grew up in China, like a billion others, and she's
constantly running into old school buddies and such. I'm saying every couple
of months we find out someone she went to high school with on the other side
of the world either works down the hall, lives down the street, .....
It's kind of freaky.
One day shortly after we moved in, she looks out the window during breakfast
at the neighbor's yard and says "I think his name is Jeff. He was at a
conference I went to in New York." And it was.
Very long-tail.
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"Ouch ouch ouch!"
"What's wrong? Noodles too hot?"
"No, I have Chopstick Tunnel Syndrome."
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> No, I mean... it's not "really" possible for two solid objects to hit
> each other without deforming at all.
Hitting without deforming is called an elastic collision, if that's the
confusion.
At the macroscopic level, that doesn't happen. At the quantum level, things
don't "hit" at all. :-)
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"Ouch ouch ouch!"
"What's wrong? Noodles too hot?"
"No, I have Chopstick Tunnel Syndrome."
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> Hitting without deforming is called an elastic collision, if that's the
> confusion.
Really? How bizzare...
> At the macroscopic level, that doesn't happen. At the quantum level,
> things don't "hit" at all. :-)
As someone once said,
"Gravity is far weaker than electromagnetism. To demonstrate this,
consider a person jumping off the top of a tall building. It takes 60
seconds for gravity to accelerate your body as you fall, but only 0.08
seconds for electromagnetism to bring it to a halt at the bottom."
Mmm, messy. :-D
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On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 10:23:02 +0000, Invisible wrote:
> scott wrote:
>
>> Hehe I laughed when I saw the bbc website too, with it's "Heavy Snow"
>> shock-headline, only to be followed by photos like these:
>>
>> http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45435000/jpg/
_45435350_006818362-1.jpg
>
> PEOPLE OF BRITAN, THIS IS NOT WHAT HEAVY SNOW LOOKS LIKE! THIS IS A
> MINOR FLURRY. GET SOME PERSPECTIVE.
Well, one of the things that always amused me was seeing cities shut down
down south because of a snow amount like what you got. The thing is, all-
weather tires on cars isn't common in the southern US AFAIK, and the
south tends not to have snow removal equipment. Couple that with people
who have never actually driven on anything worse than a wet, oily road
and put them on a skating rink....it can get more dangerous than driving
with experienced winter-weather drivers in Utah on black ice.
How much snow removal equipment is there in Milton Keynes?
> Why, when I was a lad (no! come back!), my old man used to drag me and
> my little sister up to the top of the hill, and then she'd sledge to the
> bottom again. And let me tell you, I can remember walking in snow *so
> deep* that I'd be up to my knees in it, and it all used to fall in the
> top of my boots! :-P
>
> OK, my boots were probably only a foot high or so, but still... the snow
> used to lay for *weeks* on end, not an hour or two. Hell, as recently as
> 1996 I remember us getting about 20 cm of snow, and nobody seemed that
> bothered about it.
>
>> What on Earth would the headline be if there was actually, you know,
>> about 30cm of snow?
>
> God only knows... :-D
>
> I'm still unimpressed by the pictures of the "blizzard conditions"
> featuring a bunch of people trying to push a car out of the ankle-deep
> snow. I mean, why are cars spinning their wheels in 1.5 cm of snow??
> There was more snow than that in my estate, and nobody appeared to have
> any trouble with it...
>
> OOC, how much snow is there in the various other parts of the world
> where POVers are reading this??
Well, I grew up in Minnesota and spent Christmases in Chicago when I was
a kid; I learned to drive on packed snow and ice, so there isn't much
that bothers me to drive on, even black ice (though obviously not my
first choice of road surface because that stuff is incredibly dangerous).
We've got maybe 3" of snow on the ground right now here in Salt Lake
City. Up in the mountains, though, there will be more than a hundred
inches of snow by now. For example, Alta, a place my wife and I like to
hike during the sunner, has 101" of snow right now.
But Alta is also at an altitude of 9,664 feet ASL.
Jim
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On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 09:47:13 -0800, Darren New wrote:
> It's kind of freaky.
Yeah, that is kinda weird. I've had similar experiences - a few years
ago, I ran into a friend of mine of many years at the airport in
Columbus, OH. He lives in Texas and I live in Utah. I had left my
sunglasses in the rental car and went back to get them, and when I got
back into the terminal, he was literally standing behind me on the
escalator into the terminal, and he recognised me from behind and said
"Jim, what brings you to Columbus?"
Then I ran into another long-time acquaintance getting on board the
connecting flight out of Cincinatti. That was funny because we instantly
recognised each other, but couldn't remember each others' names.
Jim
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> Well, one of the things that always amused me was seeing cities shut down
> down south because of a snow amount like what you got. The thing is, all-
> weather tires on cars isn't common in the southern US AFAIK, and the
> south tends not to have snow removal equipment. Couple that with people
> who have never actually driven on anything worse than a wet, oily road
> and put them on a skating rink....it can get more dangerous than driving
> with experienced winter-weather drivers in Utah on black ice.
>
> How much snow removal equipment is there in Milton Keynes?
Well, since yesterday every single main road in the city has been
gritted, and even some of the minor estate roads. It's still snowing
right now, and yet there's no snow laying on any of the road surfaces
yet except *right* outside my front door. That can't be too bad, eh?
(Milton Keynes is arranged in a grid of roads, so saying that the main
roads are gritted means that you can basically get between any two
points in the city easily.)
Many of the roads outside the city aren't so clear, but so far today I
haven't seen anything that I'd remotely consider "dangerous". Now, if
this lot melts and then freezes again over night, *then* we'll have a
problem...
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On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 13:18:41 +0000, Invisible wrote:
> scott wrote:
>>>> BTW ABS doesn't work below about 5 or 10 mph...
>>>
>>> Really?
>>>
>>> Any specific reason?
>>
>> I imagine it's because if the ABS system sees all four wheels go from
>> 5mph to 0mph it can't tell whether you've actually come to a stop or
>> you are skidding on ice. At 50mph it's obvious if the wheels all stop
>> within a fraction of a second you are skidding, at low speeds it's not
>> so easy to work out.
>
> Mmm, OK.
>
> I must admit, I've always wondered how the hell ABS actually works.
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/auto-parts/brakes/brake-types/anti-lock-
brake.htm
> But not as much as power steering. This, as far as I can tell, should be
> logically impossible. And yet it apparently works. How baffling!
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/steering4.htm
Jim
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> Hitting without deforming is called an elastic collision, if that's
>> the confusion.
>
> Really? How bizzare...
Because the objects hit, deform, spring apart, and then return to their
original shapes. Like stretching elastic, you see, compared to stretching
noodles or something.
> "Gravity is far weaker than electromagnetism. To demonstrate this,
> consider a person jumping off the top of a tall building. It takes 60
> seconds for gravity to accelerate your body as you fall, but only 0.08
> seconds for electromagnetism to bring it to a halt at the bottom."
That's a good one.
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Darren New wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> Hitting without deforming is called an elastic collision, if that's
>>> the confusion.
>>
>> Really? How bizzare...
>
> Because the objects hit, deform, spring apart, and then return to their
> original shapes. Like stretching elastic, you see, compared to
> stretching noodles or something.
I would have through elastic would mean the objects deformed, and
inelastic would mean they didn't deform, but hey...
>> "Gravity is far weaker than electromagnetism. To demonstrate this,
>> consider a person jumping off the top of a tall building. It takes 60
>> seconds for gravity to accelerate your body as you fall, but only 0.08
>> seconds for electromagnetism to bring it to a halt at the bottom."
>
> That's a good one.
Horizon. ;-)
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> I would have through elastic would mean the objects deformed, and
> inelastic would mean they didn't deform, but hey...
They both deform. The question is whether they spring back. If they didn't
deform, they wouldn't bounce. Think about it, visualizing it at a tiny scale.
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On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:12:20 +0000, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>
>> Well, one of the things that always amused me was seeing cities shut
>> down down south because of a snow amount like what you got. The thing
>> is, all- weather tires on cars isn't common in the southern US AFAIK,
>> and the south tends not to have snow removal equipment. Couple that
>> with people who have never actually driven on anything worse than a
>> wet, oily road and put them on a skating rink....it can get more
>> dangerous than driving with experienced winter-weather drivers in Utah
>> on black ice.
>>
>> How much snow removal equipment is there in Milton Keynes?
>
> Well, since yesterday every single main road in the city has been
> gritted, and even some of the minor estate roads. It's still snowing
> right now, and yet there's no snow laying on any of the road surfaces
> yet except *right* outside my front door. That can't be too bad, eh?
Certainly not for you. :-)
> (Milton Keynes is arranged in a grid of roads, so saying that the main
> roads are gritted means that you can basically get between any two
> points in the city easily.)
That's interesting, because Salt Lake City is arranged on a grid as well.
> Many of the roads outside the city aren't so clear, but so far today I
> haven't seen anything that I'd remotely consider "dangerous". Now, if
> this lot melts and then freezes again over night, *then* we'll have a
> problem...
Yes, that would be a problem. I wonder if it had done that last night?
Jim
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> For referense, *this* is "heavy snow":
> http://www.telenendaz.ch/documents/fond%20ecran/1024boardercross.jpg
That's not heavy snow. This is heavy snow:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wear/features/2004/12/images/weather_gallery/snow_in_canada_400x300.jpg
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Warp wrote:
> Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> For referense, *this* is "heavy snow":
>
>> http://www.telenendaz.ch/documents/fond%20ecran/1024boardercross.jpg
>
> That's not heavy snow. This is heavy snow:
>
>
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wear/features/2004/12/images/weather_gallery/snow_in_canada_400x300.jpg
Hah, that's a still from 'On Her Majesty's Secret Service', just before
the line "He had lots of guts!"
;-)
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Darren New wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> I would have through elastic would mean the objects deformed, and
>> inelastic would mean they didn't deform, but hey...
>
> They both deform. The question is whether they spring back. If they
> didn't deform, they wouldn't bounce. Think about it, visualizing it at a
> tiny scale.
Yes. I was saying, in a theoretical context, people often assume that
objects collide with no deformation, but presumably in the real world
this never actually happens...
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Warp wrote:
> Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> For referense, *this* is "heavy snow":
>
>> http://www.telenendaz.ch/documents/fond%20ecran/1024boardercross.jpg
>
> That's not heavy snow. This is heavy snow:
>
>
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wear/features/2004/12/images/weather_gallery/snow_in_canada_400x300.jpg
...point conceeded. Warp wins!
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> I wonder if you could somehow plot this on a circular graph with a
> 12-month cycle?
Anything's possible, but conclusions are left as an exercise for the reader.
(divisions are 5 degrees Celsius.)
- Ricky
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triple_r wrote:
> Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> I wonder if you could somehow plot this on a circular graph with a
>> 12-month cycle?
>
> Anything's possible, but conclusions are left as an exercise for the reader.
> (divisions are 5 degrees Celsius.)
Dude, that's pretty freaking crazy! :-D
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"triple_r" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> (divisions are 5 degrees Celsius.)
Oops, and blue is 1959, red is 2008.
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Invisible a écrit :
> Yesterday my mum notified me of the "blizzard" outside. This consisted
> of approximately 3 tiny snowflakes barely visible to the naked eye.
>
To paraphrase Crocodile Dundee: "That's not a snow storm. THIS is a
snow storm!"
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As of today the current snowfall total for the season here is 95.4 inches.
More is supposed to be on the way tomorrow.
I made a little comic in honor of groundhog day, which is today
"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
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> Yesterday my mum notified me of the "blizzard" outside. This consisted
> of approximately 3 tiny snowflakes barely visible to the naked eye.
>
> Yesterday evening, the ground was about 20% covered in whiteness. If you
> imagine taking a chocolate cake and lightly sprinkling it with icing
> sugar, that's roughly what it looked like. (For extra points... go *get*
> a chocolate cake and eat it!)
>
> This morning, as I walked to my car there was approximately 15 mm of
> snow laying on the ground, and barely visible flakes were still
> continuing to fall. On the way to work, the snow cover gradually became
> thinner and thinner, until in Coventry there isn't even a full covering.
>
> On the radio I hear that the MET office has issued a country-wide Severe
> Weather Warning, schools and businesses have been closed, and the
> Highways Agency has advised people not to travel "unless absolutely
> necessary".
>
> Uh... WTF? It's not exactly like the Arctic out there! :-P
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On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:41:57 -0500, Francois Labreque wrote:
> Taken on March 8, 2008, at 3pm. Notice how dark it was! It was the 6th
> (and last!) snow storm of the winter, each dumping more than 30cm of
> snow.
Impressive, but a lot of that looks like drifts rather than accumulation
of precipitation. ;-)
Of course, now I can't find the photos I took from a couple years ago
here in Utah. ;-)
Jim
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>> I wonder if you could somehow plot this on a circular graph with a
>> 12-month cycle?
>
> Anything's possible, but conclusions are left as an exercise for the
> reader.
> (divisions are 5 degrees Celsius.)
Cool, but how about having the centre point as the minimum temperature in
the dataset rather than zero - it looks a bit confusing with the negatives
going into June and July - still really cool though - did you use POV for
that?
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Invisible wrote:
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> OOC, how much snow is there in the various other parts of the world
> where POVers are reading this??
Southern Finland (~80km north from Helsinki central), somewhere around
15-20cm and been on the ground for a week or two.
-Aero
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> Yes. I was saying, in a theoretical context, people often assume that
> objects collide with no deformation, but presumably in the real world this
> never actually happens...
I have never heard the assumption that the objects don't deform. Assuming
small elastic deformations during the collision is popular, or even small
inelastic deformations, but never *no* deformation...
Even at school I remember doing the coefficient of restitution in physics
classes, that allows you to calculate what happens during inelastic
collisions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coefficient_of_restitution
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Francois Labreque wrote:
> To paraphrase Crocodile Dundee: "That's not a snow storm. THIS is a
> snow storm!"
>
> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2020/2318998403_8d35c71609_o.jpg
>
> Taken on March 8, 2008, at 3pm. Notice how dark it was! It was the 6th
> (and last!) snow storm of the winter, each dumping more than 30cm of snow.
>
> The following pictures are as we dug ourselves out, the next day.
>
> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3498/3248690953_d3894342b9_o.jpg
> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3362/3249518750_dff6685631_b.jpg
OMG! LOL!
I'm loving the way the snow is piled higher than an adult human... ;-)
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This guy has a big job ahead of him...
http://englishrussia.com/images/norilsk_cars/2.jpg
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scott wrote:
> This guy has a big job ahead of him...
>
> http://englishrussia.com/images/norilsk_cars/2.jpg
THIS IS A SNOW STORM!! :-D
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Invisible wrote:
> Yeah, maybe. I guess the government doesn't want to hear the whole "why
> didn't you warn people?" thing, or "why didn't you take action?". (OTOH,
> it didn't seem to be a problem for New Orleans...)
I'm pretty sure the people knew a hurricane was coming towards their
city, and that they knew their city was built below sea level. Not my
fault they didn't get out of the way.
Regards,
John
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And lo On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 13:35:18 -0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> did
spake thusly:
> I can remember 1995 or so, there was a lot of snow one day. About 20 cm
> or so. Not huge, but a lot. Nobody seemed to really pay much attention.
> A few people got slightly stuck or something, but nobody considered it a
> big deal. Yet today, it's a catastrophy... hmm.
That's because the snow fell somewhere up North, this time it fell
somewhere important ;-).
--
Phil Cook
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http://flipc.blogspot.com
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>> I can remember 1995 or so, there was a lot of snow one day. About 20
>> cm or so. Not huge, but a lot. Nobody seemed to really pay much
>> attention. A few people got slightly stuck or something, but nobody
>> considered it a big deal. Yet today, it's a catastrophy... hmm.
>
> That's because the snow fell somewhere up North, this time it fell
> somewhere important ;-).
Oooo! :-P
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John VanSickle a écrit :
> Invisible wrote:
>
>> Yeah, maybe. I guess the government doesn't want to hear the whole
>> "why didn't you warn people?" thing, or "why didn't you take action?".
>> (OTOH, it didn't seem to be a problem for New Orleans...)
>
> I'm pretty sure the people knew a hurricane was coming towards their
> city, and that they knew their city was built below sea level. Not my
> fault they didn't get out of the way.
>
You're a single mom with three kids, a dog, a sick grandmother, no car
and 17$. Where do you go? How?
Some people were idiots for trying to ride the storm (see also
Galveston, TX, last summer), but many people stayed because they had no
other alternative.
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Francois Labreque wrote:
> You're a single mom with three kids, a dog, a sick grandmother, no car
> and 17$. Where do you go? How?
Not to be cruel, but that's kind of why you're living there. It's cheap
enough for you to afford because every once in a while, you're totally
hosed. If you could afford to flee on a day's notice, you wouldn't be living
where you might have to flee on a day's notice.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
"Ouch ouch ouch!"
"What's wrong? Noodles too hot?"
"No, I have Chopstick Tunnel Syndrome."
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Warp wrote:
> Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> For referense, *this* is "heavy snow":
>
>> http://www.telenendaz.ch/documents/fond%20ecran/1024boardercross.jpg
>
> That's not heavy snow. This is heavy snow:
>
>
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wear/features/2004/12/images/weather_gallery/snow_in_canada_400x300.jpg
Hehe
- We have some snow here in Norway too:
http://www.prohd.no/Bilder/Folgefonna/Snowfres-kanter.jpg
http://www.prohd.no/Bilder/Folgefonna/Broytekant%2016%20mai%202008.jpg
http://www.prohd.no/Flash%20bilder/Fonna%2016%20april%202008/slides/p_0006.jpg
The images are from this page:
http://www.prohd.no/Frames/ProHD_Folgefonna.html
--
Tor Olav
http://subcube.com
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Tor Olav Kristensen wrote:
> - We have some snow here in Norway too:
>
> http://www.prohd.no/Bilder/Folgefonna/Snowfres-kanter.jpg
> http://www.prohd.no/Bilder/Folgefonna/Broytekant%2016%20mai%202008.jpg
> http://www.prohd.no/Flash%20bilder/Fonna%2016%20april%202008/slides/p_0006.jpg
Jesus... Dude, should you be walking quite that close to the walls? Are
they stable??
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Francois Labreque wrote:
> John VanSickle a écrit :
>> Invisible wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, maybe. I guess the government doesn't want to hear the whole
>>> "why didn't you warn people?" thing, or "why didn't you take
>>> action?". (OTOH, it didn't seem to be a problem for New Orleans...)
>>
>> I'm pretty sure the people knew a hurricane was coming towards their
>> city, and that they knew their city was built below sea level. Not my
>> fault they didn't get out of the way.
>
> You're a single mom with three kids, a dog, a sick grandmother, no car
> and 17$. Where do you go? How?
Some verifiable statistics on how many people fell into this category of
need would be useful to the debate.
Regards,
John
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Invisible wrote:
> Uh... WTF? It's not exactly like the Arctic out there! :-P
Speaking of wtf...
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j85/Malaven/Star%20Wars%20Miniatures/Hoth003.jpg
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
"Ouch ouch ouch!"
"What's wrong? Noodles too hot?"
"No, I have Chopstick Tunnel Syndrome."
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Darren New wrote:
> Speaking of wtf...
>
> http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j85/Malaven/Star%20Wars%20Miniatures/Hoth003.jpg
Er, niner-niner, whiskey tango foxtrot, what's your six? Over. ._.
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>
>> Speaking of wtf...
>>
>> http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j85/Malaven/Star%20Wars%20Miniatures/Hoth003.jpg
>
>
> Er, niner-niner, whiskey tango foxtrot, what's your six? Over. ._.
Shouldn't that be Echo Three to Echo Seven?
Great photo, btw :-D
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>> Er, niner-niner, whiskey tango foxtrot, what's your six? Over. ._.
>
> Shouldn't that be Echo Three to Echo Seven?
No idea.
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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