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From: St 
Subject: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 02:16:24
Message: <498157c8$1@news.povray.org>
It doesn't matter what you tell your kids, they never listen. :(


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 03:57:12
Message: <49816f68$1@news.povray.org>
St. wrote:
> It doesn't matter what you tell your kids, they never listen. :( 

Sorry, what did you say?


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From: St 
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 05:11:02
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"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
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> St. wrote:
>> It doesn't matter what you tell your kids, they never listen. :(
>
> Sorry, what did you say?

 I said: "Get yourself through college first son, get a good job, and then 
find yourself a nice girl".


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 05:14:20
Message: <4981817c$1@news.povray.org>
>> Sorry, what did you say?
> 
>  I said: "Get yourself through college first son, get a good job, and then 
> find yourself a nice girl". 

Hmm. I'm having trouble with the "get a good job" part. :-/


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From: St 
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 05:16:50
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"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
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>>> Sorry, what did you say?
>>
>>  I said: "Get yourself through college first son, get a good job, and 
>> then find yourself a nice girl".
>
> Hmm. I'm having trouble with the "get a good job" part. :-/

    Don't worry about it, you'll find one because you're clever enough to. 
Just thank your lucky stars that you ain't gonna be a dad.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 05:23:07
Message: <4981838b@news.povray.org>
>> Hmm. I'm having trouble with the "get a good job" part. :-/
> 
>     Don't worry about it, you'll find one because you're clever enough to. 
> Just thank your lucky stars that you ain't gonna be a dad. 

Ah, the infinite joys of parenthood: stress, self-doubt, and being 
unappreciated. Yay. :-.


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From: St 
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 05:31:06
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"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
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>>> Hmm. I'm having trouble with the "get a good job" part. :-/
>>
>>     Don't worry about it, you'll find one because you're clever enough 
>> to. Just thank your lucky stars that you ain't gonna be a dad.
>
> Ah, the infinite joys of parenthood: stress, self-doubt, and being 
> unappreciated. Yay. :-.

   Oh, don't get me wrong, it's great when they're pre-teens, and then all 
of a sudden they think they're a 'man' when they get to 18. How wrong they 
are. :/

    BTW, you're getting warmer Andrew.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 05:40:56
Message: <498187b8@news.povray.org>
>> Ah, the infinite joys of parenthood: stress, self-doubt, and being 
>> unappreciated. Yay. :-.
> 
>    Oh, don't get me wrong, it's great when they're pre-teens

Oh I don't know, I'm not sure I'd enjoy being woken up every 2 hours. ;-)

("I slept like a baby last night." "...what, you woke up every 2 hours??")

And in general, being around kids just tends to annoy me. Rapidly.

> and then all 
> of a sudden they think they're a 'man' when they get to 18. How wrong they 
> are. :/

At this point I'd come up with some speech about how people are 
different and not everyone is like this or something... but then, that's 
not really much help, is it?

(Just as one data point... I'm 28, not 18, and I doubt I'll *ever* be a 
"man".)


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From: St 
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 05:57:15
Message: <49818b8b$1@news.povray.org>
"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
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>>> Ah, the infinite joys of parenthood: stress, self-doubt, and being 
>>> unappreciated. Yay. :-.
>>
>>    Oh, don't get me wrong, it's great when they're pre-teens
>
> Oh I don't know, I'm not sure I'd enjoy being woken up every 2 hours. ;-)

    Well, I enjoyed it.


>
> ("I slept like a baby last night." "...what, you woke up every 2 hours??")

 Heh, well, I can't ever remember it affecting my work day, so it wasn't 
that bad.


>
> And in general, being around kids just tends to annoy me. Rapidly.

     Maybe because they're not your own. I think it's different when you 
have your own and they're at that age when you can play-fight, and they 
*always* win!  :)


>
>> and then all of a sudden they think they're a 'man' when they get to 18. 
>> How wrong they are. :/
>
> At this point I'd come up with some speech about how people are different 
> and not everyone is like this or something... but then, that's not really 
> much help, is it?

  Not really. It hasn't actually sunk in properly yet for me, but last 
night, *my* life changed, (yet again). <sigh>

   I've got some serious thinking to do, and quite honestly, I'm done with 
thinking.


>
> (Just as one data point... I'm 28, not 18, and I doubt I'll *ever* be a 
> "man".)

     Well, to be honest, I would agree with that. I'm not really sure what 
would constitute as a 'man', but I guess getting through life's struggles 
'yourself' is a good start.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 06:03:08
Message: <49818cec@news.povray.org>
>> Oh I don't know, I'm not sure I'd enjoy being woken up every 2 hours. ;-)
> 
>     Well, I enjoyed it.

Ô_O

>> And in general, being around kids just tends to annoy me. Rapidly.
> 
>      Maybe because they're not your own. I think it's different when you 
> have your own and they're at that age when you can play-fight, and they 
> *always* win!  :)

Mmm, possibly. Jamie keeps telling me how cool it is. (Then again, Jamie 
has two beautiful little girls with long gold hair and a smiling 
addiction...)

>   Not really. It hasn't actually sunk in properly yet for me, but last 
> night, *my* life changed, (yet again). <sigh>

Damn. And to think my problem is that my life *doesn't* change... o_O

>> (Just as one data point... I'm 28, not 18, and I doubt I'll *ever* be a 
>> "man".)
> 
>      Well, to be honest, I would agree with that. I'm not really sure what 
> would constitute as a 'man', but I guess getting through life's struggles 
> 'yourself' is a good start. 

OK, great. Now I have that God-awful poem by Mr Kipling in my head... >_<


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From: St 
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 06:34:59
Message: <49819463$1@news.povray.org>
"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
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>>> Oh I don't know, I'm not sure I'd enjoy being woken up every 2 hours. 
>>> ;-)
>>
>>     Well, I enjoyed it.
>
> Ô_O

     Well, yeah, it's nice to see your kids being fed when they need it, and 
it's nice feeding them too. (Of course, it's not so nice with the changing, 
heh).



>
>>> And in general, being around kids just tends to annoy me. Rapidly.
>>
>>      Maybe because they're not your own. I think it's different when you 
>> have your own and they're at that age when you can play-fight, and they 
>> *always* win!  :)
>
> Mmm, possibly. Jamie keeps telling me how cool it is. (Then again, Jamie 
> has two beautiful little girls with long gold hair and a smiling 
> addiction...)

       I totally understand him. He'll think differently when they get older 
though.



>
>>   Not really. It hasn't actually sunk in properly yet for me, but last 
>> night, *my* life changed, (yet again). <sigh>
>
> Damn. And to think my problem is that my life *doesn't* change... o_O

   Well, that's down to you my friend. At the end of the day, it's what you 
want *out* of life.


>
>>> (Just as one data point... I'm 28, not 18, and I doubt I'll *ever* be a 
>>> "man".)
>>
>>      Well, to be honest, I would agree with that. I'm not really sure 
>> what would constitute as a 'man', but I guess getting through life's 
>> struggles 'yourself' is a good start.
>
> OK, great. Now I have that God-awful poem by Mr Kipling in my head... >_<

      Lol, what poem?


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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 06:42:29
Message: <49819625$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:

> 
> And in general, being around kids just tends to annoy me. Rapidly.
> 

Hehe ... actually kids annoyed me, then we had one.

He gets on my nerves sometimes, but for the most part he's pretty neat. 
I'll just be glad when he reaches the "communicate with real words" 
stage instead of the "standing in front of you pitching an epic fit" 
stage he's in now.


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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 06:46:23
Message: <4981970f$1@news.povray.org>
St. wrote:
> It doesn't matter what you tell your kids, they never listen. :( 

Uh oh... Not good.

Hopefully he steps up and does the right thing in regards to taking care 
of a child. They're a lot of hard work.


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 06:49:42
Message: <498197d6@news.povray.org>
> I said: "Get yourself through college first son, get a good job, and then 
> find yourself a nice girl". 

All of the nice girls will probably be gone by then ;-)


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From: St 
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 06:50:10
Message: <498197f2$1@news.povray.org>
"Mike Raiford" <mraXXXiford.at.@g1023mail.com> wrote in message 
news:49819625$1@news.povray.org...
> Invisible wrote:
>
>>
>> And in general, being around kids just tends to annoy me. Rapidly.
>>
>
> Hehe ... actually kids annoyed me, then we had one.
>
> He gets on my nerves sometimes, but for the most part he's pretty neat. 
> I'll just be glad when he reaches the "communicate with real words" stage 
> instead of the "standing in front of you pitching an epic fit" stage he's 
> in now.
>

  Oh my god, that brought back some memories!

    "WAAA.. AAA... AAAH!!"   :)


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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 06:52:09
Message: <49819869$1@news.povray.org>
St. wrote:

> 
>   Oh my god, that brought back some memories!
> 
>     "WAAA.. AAA... AAAH!!"   :)
> 
> 

Yep. Pretty much. My favorite is the "point in some vague direction and 
grunt. When parent offers item from vague direction, emphatically shake 
you head no"


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 06:54:33
Message: <498198f9$1@news.povray.org>
St. wrote:

>     "WAAA.. AAA... AAAH!!"   :)

Pffaaahahahaha! WTF?!


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From: St 
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 06:56:02
Message: <49819952$1@news.povray.org>
"Mike Raiford" <mraXXXiford.at.@g1023mail.com> wrote in message 
news:4981970f$1@news.povray.org...
> St. wrote:
>> It doesn't matter what you tell your kids, they never listen. :(
>
> Uh oh... Not good.
>
> Hopefully he steps up and does the right thing in regards to taking care 
> of a child. They're a lot of hard work.

     Made (hopefully) easier by Dad.

    Thing is, he's only known her about 3 months, and they're SOOOO in 
luuuurve, and now they're talking marriage.

    Definately not good.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 06:56:46
Message: <4981997e$1@news.povray.org>
Mike Raiford wrote:

> Hehe ... actually kids annoyed me, then we had one.
> 
> He gets on my nerves sometimes, but for the most part he's pretty neat. 

LOL! What a glowing recommendation! :-D

I remember when one of the girls at work brought her twin baby boys in 
to work. For some reason, one of them always cries, and the other one is 
always completely laid back and quiet. And, unexplicably, as soon as I 
walked into the room, both of them were like radar dishes tracking me 
across the room. They were both *fascinated* by me.

I have several theories:

1. They were wondering who the **** that weird person was.

2. I am unbelievably attractive.

3. My ultramarine shirt was the only thing in the room loud enough for 
their tiny eyeballs to actually detect consistently.

> I'll just be glad when he reaches the "communicate with real words" 
> stage instead of the "standing in front of you pitching an epic fit" 
> stage he's in now.

Hahahaha... ooohhhh if only you knew! ;-)

I made the mistake of saying "hello" to one of the kids next door. Now 
the sucker won't leave me alone! Every time he sees me, he comes over 
and starts talking at me. It doesn't matter if I talk back or completely 
ignore him, he just keeps talking and talking and talking and...


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From: St 
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 07:00:10
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"Mike Raiford" <mraXXXiford.at.@g1023mail.com> wrote in message 
news:49819869$1@news.povray.org...
> St. wrote:
>
>>
>>   Oh my god, that brought back some memories!
>>
>>     "WAAA.. AAA... AAAH!!"   :)
>>
>>
>
> Yep. Pretty much. My favorite is the "point in some vague direction and 
> grunt. When parent offers item from vague direction, emphatically shake 
> you head no"

   LOL! So true!  :)


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From: St 
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 07:00:11
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"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
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> St. wrote:
>
>>     "WAAA.. AAA... AAAH!!"   :)
>
> Pffaaahahahaha! WTF?!

    You don't remember a hollerin' and screaming in a tizzy fit on the shop 
floor? I'm sure you did.  ;)


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 07:03:35
Message: <49819b17@news.povray.org>
>> Hopefully he steps up and does the right thing in regards to taking care 
>> of a child. They're a lot of hard work.
> 
>      Made (hopefully) easier by Dad.
> 
>     Thing is, he's only known her about 3 months, and they're SOOOO in 
> luuuurve, and now they're talking marriage.
> 
>     Definately not good. 

I predict... EPIC FAIL.

Sorry man.

(Either that or I'm just jelous because I'll never know what it feels 
like to have a girl actually fancy me...)


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 07:04:26
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>> Mmm, possibly. Jamie keeps telling me how cool it is. (Then again, Jamie 
>> has two beautiful little girls with long gold hair and a smiling 
>> addiction...)
> 
>        I totally understand him. He'll think differently when they get older 
> though.

Well, we'll see.

Also, she wants me to name my first-born "Jamie" in her honour. We'll 
see! ;-)

>> OK, great. Now I have that God-awful poem by Mr Kipling in my head... >_<
> 
>       Lol, what poem? 

There is *no way* I'm going to try to find it on purpose! :-P


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 07:05:37
Message: <49819b91$1@news.povray.org>
>>>     "WAAA.. AAA... AAAH!!"   :)
>> Pffaaahahahaha! WTF?!
> 
>     You don't remember a hollerin' and screaming in a tizzy fit on the shop 
> floor? I'm sure you did.  ;) 

1. I don't remember ever being *in* a shop.

2. If I'd done that, my mum would have gone mental on my ass! o_O


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From: St 
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 07:12:33
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"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
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> Also, she wants me to name my first-born "Jamie" in her honour. We'll see! 
> ;-)

     Oh, a lady Jamie! God, you're confusing today! ;)


>
>>> OK, great. Now I have that God-awful poem by Mr Kipling in my head... 
>>>  >_<
>>
>>       Lol, what poem?
>
> There is *no way* I'm going to try to find it on purpose! :-P

      Oh, go on, you know you want to...  :op


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From: St 
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 07:21:07
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"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
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>>>>     "WAAA.. AAA... AAAH!!"   :)
>>> Pffaaahahahaha! WTF?!
>>
>>     You don't remember a hollerin' and screaming in a tizzy fit on the 
>> shop floor? I'm sure you did.  ;)
>
> 1. I don't remember ever being *in* a shop.
>
> 2. If I'd done that, my mum would have gone mental on my ass! o_O

    LOL! I remember being about 4 years old in a shop with my Grandma and I 
'lost' her, (she was around another aisle, and I'd wondered off), and then I 
started to get upset. I walked around the end of an aisle and thought I'd 
spotted my Grandma with her back to me, so walked up to her and held tightly 
onto her coat. The lady looked around and down at me and I clearly knew this 
was *not* my Grandma! Man, I cried my eyes out, lol! :)


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From: St 
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 07:38:54
Message: <4981a35e$1@news.povray.org>
"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
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>>     Definately not good.
>
> I predict... EPIC FAIL.

  Yes. He's just too young and so is she. Don't forget, this is the guy that 
moved out before Christmas to move in with her AND her parents. The parents 
think it's fine and are happy about their daughter expecting. I have never 
met them, but I think a few choice words will be said when I finally do 
speak to them. You know, after last night, (there were tears on my son's 
part), I fully expect the father to ring me soon, (or even knock at the 
door - Judgement Day!)


>
> Sorry man.

   Well, thanks for that Andy, I appreciate it. The *only* good thing about 
it is that I have totally given up on working today. It's just not in me.


>
> (Either that or I'm just jelous because I'll never know what it feels like 
> to have a girl actually fancy me...)

    Ah, shucks mate, when it happens, it will happen. It will hit you like a 
bolt of lightening. And it *will* happen.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 07:49:59
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>> Also, she wants me to name my first-born "Jamie" in her honour. We'll see! 
>> ;-)
> 
>      Oh, a lady Jamie! God, you're confusing today! ;)

Yes. She's a "grrrrl", as she describes herself.

Football fanatic. Likes kickboxing. Epic fan of Buffy the Vampire 
Slayer. Loves Harry Potter. Her daughter has a Gryffindor scarf. Likes 
emo music. Do NOT piss her off!!

>> There is *no way* I'm going to try to find it on purpose! :-P
> 
>       Oh, go on, you know you want to...  :op

:-P


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 07:58:47
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St. wrote:

>     LOL! I remember being about 4 years old in a shop with my Grandma and I 
> 'lost' her, (she was around another aisle, and I'd wondered off), and then I 
> started to get upset. I walked around the end of an aisle and thought I'd 
> spotted my Grandma with her back to me, so walked up to her and held tightly 
> onto her coat. The lady looked around and down at me and I clearly knew this 
> was *not* my Grandma! Man, I cried my eyes out, lol! :) 

I remember a similar story. We went shopping at Christmas. Now, 
obviously when you're 4 years old, being in a shoe shop is unimaginably 
boring. But I was mesmerised by the brightly coloured lights and the 
shiny tinsel. Damnit, I LOVE SHINY THINGS!! >_<

After a while, I looked around and became aware that I was the only 
member of my family still in the shop. I found this... disturbing.

Man, I wondered around the shopping center for ages before I was found 
by a member of staff! o_O


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 08:02:29
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>>>     Definately not good.
>> I predict... EPIC FAIL.
> 
>   Yes. He's just too young and so is she. Don't forget, this is the guy that 
> moved out before Christmas to move in with her AND her parents. The parents 
> think it's fine and are happy about their daughter expecting. I have never 
> met them, but I think a few choice words will be said when I finally do 
> speak to them. You know, after last night, (there were tears on my son's 
> part), I fully expect the father to ring me soon, (or even knock at the 
> door - Judgement Day!)

Hmm...

I remember when Emma and Amy were pregnant. Both of them thought it was 
a big joke. They seemed to think that it would be like playing a new 
game or something - like playing with dolls. Emma was all "look at me, 
I'm a big girl now", showing off her belly and all the rest of it. "Look 
at me, look what I've done!"

She didn't seem to find it quite so funny when she was laying in a 
maturnity warn bawling her eyes out yelling "mum! it really hurts!" (Uh, 
you expected...??) And that was just when the contractions started 
warming up. I don't know what she was like when it was time to start 
actually doing some *work*... (I only saw a few seconds of the video. 
Mercifully!)

Since then, Amy has had something like 4 children with her on-again, 
off-again boyfriend who's never really around much. My dad keeps saying 
disparagingly that "one of these days she's going to work out what keeps 
causing that". Amy isn't the sharpest tool in the box... (!)

Hmm, I still remember going round to my dad's house one time, and 
suddenly coming face to face with Zoe casually laying on the sofa. I'm 
not sure why she was there. Anyway, last time I saw her, she was about 
11 or something. On this day, she *still* looked about 11. Except that 
she was massively, *massively* pregnant. I mean, the bulge seemed far 
bigger than _she_ was! o_O

As you can imagine, walking around the corner and seeing that kind of 
unsettled me a little...

(And at all these events, I remember thinking "what the HELL?? I can't 
even get *near* a girl! WTF am I doing so catastrophically wrong?!")

>> (Either that or I'm just jelous because I'll never know what it feels like 
>> to have a girl actually fancy me...)
> 
>     Ah, shucks mate, when it happens, it will happen. It will hit you like a 
> bolt of lightening. And it *will* happen. 

So... I'll be fried to a human crisp? O_O


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From: St 
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 09:41:13
Message: <4981c009$1@news.povray.org>
"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
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I fully expect the father to ring me soon, (or even knock at the
>> door - Judgement Day!)
>
> Hmm...

    Yeah well, something isn't ringing the happy bells with me. I mean who 
the hell lets a stranger move into their house and then sleep in the same 
bed as their daughter when they've ONLY JUST MET!! WHO?!

    No one normal, that's for sure. Should be interesting.


>
> I remember when Emma and Amy were pregnant. Both of them thought it was a 
> big joke. They seemed to think that it would be like playing a new game or 
> something - like playing with dolls. Emma was all "look at me, I'm a big 
> girl now", showing off her belly and all the rest of it. "Look at me, look 
> what I've done!"

 Yep, but you do know that there's a teen culture in the UK that says they 
'have' to have sex? It's almost a right of passage with their peers, (or 
is), and this is the trap that my son fell into. He just couldn't be left 
out of the pack now could  he, eh?

   Frickin' Fool.


>
> She didn't seem to find it quite so funny when she was laying in a 
> maturnity warn bawling her eyes out yelling "mum! it really hurts!" (Uh, 
> you expected...??) And that was just when the contractions started warming 
> up. I don't know what she was like when it was time to start actually 
> doing some *work*... (I only saw a few seconds of the video. Mercifully!)

      Yeah, not pretty until you're holding the babe in your arms. The worst 
part of it is listening to the other women in other rooms screaming and 
swearing (and I mean SWEARING) their heads off - it sounds SO much worse 
than it does for your wife, (at least in my experience, that is).


>
> Since then, Amy has had something like 4 children with her on-again, 
> off-again boyfriend who's never really around much. My dad keeps saying 
> disparagingly that "one of these days she's going to work out what keeps 
> causing that". Amy isn't the sharpest tool in the box... (!)

     Yep, and they never want to change anything for the good.


>
> Hmm, I still remember going round to my dad's house one time, and suddenly 
> coming face to face with Zoe casually laying on the sofa. I'm not sure why 
> she was there. Anyway, last time I saw her, she was about 11 or something. 
> On this day, she *still* looked about 11. Except that she was massively, 
> *massively* pregnant. I mean, the bulge seemed far bigger than _she_ was! 
> o_O
>
> As you can imagine, walking around the corner and seeing that kind of 
> unsettled me a little...

    LOL! :) I know exactly what you mean. It's like: "How the F is that 
*possible*??"



>
> (And at all these events, I remember thinking "what the HELL?? I can't 
> even get *near* a girl! WTF am I doing so catastrophically wrong?!")

      Nothing apart from not getting to know someone better. From what you 
say above, you DO know some girls, you obviously met these girls at some 
point and got on ok with them, so maybe you're a bit fussy in what you 
expect for a girlfriend? I don't know...


>
>>> (Either that or I'm just jelous because I'll never know what it feels 
>>> like to have a girl actually fancy me...)
>>
>>     Ah, shucks mate, when it happens, it will happen. It will hit you 
>> like a bolt of lightening. And it *will* happen.
>
> So... I'll be fried to a human crisp? O_O

      Have you ever looked a girl in the eye for 20/30 seconds? Apparently, 
if they do the same back, then you're in with half a chance, so go look a 
few women in the eye.


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From: St 
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 09:50:02
Message: <4981c21a$1@news.povray.org>
"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
news:4981a5f7$1@news.povray.org...
>>> Also, she wants me to name my first-born "Jamie" in her honour. We'll 
>>> see! ;-)
>>
>>      Oh, a lady Jamie! God, you're confusing today! ;)
>
> Yes. She's a "grrrrl", as she describes herself.
>
> Football fanatic. Likes kickboxing. Epic fan of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. 
> Loves Harry Potter. Her daughter has a Gryffindor scarf. Likes emo music. 
> Do NOT piss her off!!

 Ok, lol, I won't! Sounds like my kind of woman though, apart from the emo 
music, that is.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 09:50:58
Message: <4981c252@news.povray.org>
St. wrote:

>     Yeah well, something isn't ringing the happy bells with me. I mean who 
> the hell lets a stranger move into their house and then sleep in the same 
> bed as their daughter when they've ONLY JUST MET!! WHO?!
> 
>     No one normal, that's for sure. Should be interesting.

Er, yeah, that *does* seem pretty off-the-wall, IMHO...

>  Yep, but you do know that there's a teen culture in the UK that says they 
> 'have' to have sex? It's almost a right of passage with their peers, (or 
> is), and this is the trap that my son fell into. He just couldn't be left 
> out of the pack now could  he, eh?
> 
>    Frickin' Fool.

Yeah, I know what you mean...

I actually remember some dude at school telling me "Hey man, you should 
start smoking. Nobody would ever expect a little yes-boy like you to do 
something like that. It'd make people respect you." As you can see, I 
immediately took up this insightful offer... o_O

>       Yeah, not pretty until you're holding the babe in your arms. The worst 
> part of it is listening to the other women in other rooms screaming and 
> swearing (and I mean SWEARING) their heads off - it sounds SO much worse 
> than it does for your wife, (at least in my experience, that is).

Heh. Reminds me of that film I saw. Guy and his girl just sitting around 
in the maternity ward, late evening. They're just quietly talking when 
they hear some screaming in the background. And the two of them are 
looking at each other trying not to kill themselves laughing. Eventually 
the guy is, like, "haha... ha... aww, poor lady... man!"

>> (And at all these events, I remember thinking "what the HELL?? I can't 
>> even get *near* a girl! WTF am I doing so catastrophically wrong?!")
> 
>       Nothing apart from not getting to know someone better. From what you 
> say above, you DO know some girls, you obviously met these girls at some 
> point and got on ok with them, so maybe you're a bit fussy in what you 
> expect for a girlfriend? I don't know...

I met these three girls and got on VERY BADLY with them. As in, I wanted 
nothing to do with them, and they hated me back. I just wanted to stay 
the hell *away*. (And, given what I've just told you, can you blame me??)

>>>     Ah, shucks mate, when it happens, it will happen. It will hit you 
>>> like a bolt of lightening. And it *will* happen.
>> So... I'll be fried to a human crisp? O_O
> 
>       Have you ever looked a girl in the eye for 20/30 seconds? Apparently, 
> if they do the same back, then you're in with half a chance, so go look a 
> few women in the eye.

Hmm. I just saw our accountant walk past in a cute little purple skirt. 
Maybe I should go stalk - uh, follow her...?


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 09:52:41
Message: <4981c2b9$1@news.povray.org>
>>>      Oh, a lady Jamie! God, you're confusing today! ;)
>> Yes. She's a "grrrrl", as she describes herself.
>>
>> Football fanatic. Likes kickboxing. Epic fan of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. 
>> Loves Harry Potter. Her daughter has a Gryffindor scarf. Likes emo music. 
>> Do NOT piss her off!!
> 
>  Ok, lol, I won't! Sounds like my kind of woman though, apart from the emo 
> music, that is.

She's a good girl. She doesn't do the whole "caring, supportive" bit, 
and don't you *dare* question her beliefs (wiccan, anyone?), but other 
than that she's a real nice girl.

Yet another girl I failed to get off with. :-(

(Apparently she likes the Bad Boys though. And I'm about as far from 
that as it is possible to get!)


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 10:02:21
Message: <4981c4fd@news.povray.org>
> Hmm. I just saw our accountant walk past in a cute little purple skirt. 
> Maybe I should go stalk - uh, follow her...?

There is a German word for people like you - Notgeil (not = emergency, geil 
= horny)

Seriously, some thoughts are better kept to yourself :-)


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 10:09:23
Message: <4981c6a3$1@news.povray.org>
>> Hmm. I just saw our accountant walk past in a cute little purple 
>> skirt. Maybe I should go stalk - uh, follow her...?
> 
> There is a German word for people like you - Notgeil (not = emergency, 
> geil = horny)
> 
> Seriously, some thoughts are better kept to yourself :-)

Heh. This place is going to be sooo quiet once I get an actual girl of 
my own. :-P


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From: St 
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 10:10:56
Message: <4981c700@news.povray.org>
"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
news:4981c252@news.povray.org...
> St. wrote:
>
>>     Yeah well, something isn't ringing the happy bells with me. I mean 
>> who the hell lets a stranger move into their house and then sleep in the 
>> same bed as their daughter when they've ONLY JUST MET!! WHO?!
>>
>>     No one normal, that's for sure. Should be interesting.
>
> Er, yeah, that *does* seem pretty off-the-wall, IMHO...

 Well, to me, it is off-the-wall, I mean, they could be satanists or 
something equally sinister for all I know. Ok, that's taking it a touch too 
far, I know, but hey...


> I actually remember some dude at school telling me "Hey man, you should 
> start smoking. Nobody would ever expect a little yes-boy like you to do 
> something like that. It'd make people respect you." As you can see, I 
> immediately took up this insightful offer... o_O

   Yeah, well good for you that you didn't. That's peer-pressure for you, 
and that was some time ago. It's even worse now with all kinds of 
'life-experiences'. Look at the young drinking culture here. They have no 
idea what they're doing to themselves. I do.



 it sounds SO much worse
>> than it does for your wife, (at least in my experience, that is).
>
> Heh. Reminds me of that film I saw. Guy and his girl just sitting around 
> in the maternity ward, late evening. They're just quietly talking when 
> they hear some screaming in the background. And the two of them are 
> looking at each other trying not to kill themselves laughing. Eventually 
> the guy is, like, "haha... ha... aww, poor lady... man!"

     LOL!  :)


>
>>> (And at all these events, I remember thinking "what the HELL?? I can't 
>>> even get *near* a girl! WTF am I doing so catastrophically wrong?!")
>>
>>       Nothing apart from not getting to know someone better. From what 
>> you say above, you DO know some girls, you obviously met these girls at 
>> some point and got on ok with them, so maybe you're a bit fussy in what 
>> you expect for a girlfriend? I don't know...
>
> I met these three girls and got on VERY BADLY with them. As in, I wanted 
> nothing to do with them, and they hated me back. I just wanted to stay the 
> hell *away*. (And, given what I've just told you, can you blame me??)

      No, not at all. Yeah, I've met them too - lots. I see them pushing 
their pushchairs down to the local shop to get their £6+ packet of fags all 
the time, infants in tow.


>
>>>>     Ah, shucks mate, when it happens, it will happen. It will hit you 
>>>> like a bolt of lightening. And it *will* happen.
>>> So... I'll be fried to a human crisp? O_O
>>
>>       Have you ever looked a girl in the eye for 20/30 seconds? 
>> Apparently, if they do the same back, then you're in with half a chance, 
>> so go look a few women in the eye.
>
> Hmm. I just saw our accountant walk past in a cute little purple skirt. 
> Maybe I should go stalk - uh, follow her...?

 Is she married? Do you get on with her ok? Heck man, for the hell of it, 
just ask her if she would like to go out for a drink sometime. Gofrit.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 10:16:36
Message: <4981c854$1@news.povray.org>
>> I actually remember some dude at school telling me "Hey man, you should 
>> start smoking. Nobody would ever expect a little yes-boy like you to do 
>> something like that. It'd make people respect you." As you can see, I 
>> immediately took up this insightful offer... o_O
> 
>    Yeah, well good for you that you didn't. That's peer-pressure for you, 
> and that was some time ago. It's even worse now with all kinds of 
> 'life-experiences'. Look at the young drinking culture here. They have no 
> idea what they're doing to themselves. I do.

Well, it came down to the fact that the guy who said that to me was a 
total moron. ;-)

>> Hmm. I just saw our accountant walk past in a cute little purple skirt. 
>> Maybe I should go stalk - uh, follow her...?
> 
>  Is she married? Do you get on with her ok? Heck man, for the hell of it, 
> just ask her if she would like to go out for a drink sometime. Gofrit. 

Heh. She's not married. AFAIK she doesn't have anybody yet. (Not that 
I'd know any different if she did.) She has a reputation for being very 
enthusiastic about blokes, but there never seems to be any substance to 
it. I think it's just bored girls' office humour. I get on kind of OK 
with her, but... she's a tad strange.

I think I did once suggest we meet up outside work sometime. She seemed 
excruciatingly embarressed, and said no. Oh well!


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From: St 
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 10:24:18
Message: <4981ca22$1@news.povray.org>
"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
news:4981c2b9$1@news.povray.org...

> She's a good girl. She doesn't do the whole "caring, supportive" bit, and 
> don't you *dare* question her beliefs (wiccan, anyone?), but other than 
> that she's a real nice girl.

 Hey, that's nice that you get on with her, she does sound nice like you 
say. Don't lose touch.

  As for wiccan, that's ok, they're just white witches who are into nature 
more than anything else I think.


>
> Yet another girl I failed to get off with. :-(
>
> (Apparently she likes the Bad Boys though. And I'm about as far from that 
> as it is possible to get!)

   Let the bad boy out! :) Next time the printer doesn't work, just pick it 
up and lob it to the floor. That'll get someones attention. Heh...


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 10:26:19
Message: <4981ca9b$1@news.povray.org>
>  Hey, that's nice that you get on with her, she does sound nice like you 
> say. Don't lose touch.

Yeah, she's a good girl. (Getting married later this year... She's only 25.)

>> Yet another girl I failed to get off with. :-(
>>
>> (Apparently she likes the Bad Boys though. And I'm about as far from that 
>> as it is possible to get!)
> 
>    Let the bad boy out! :) Next time the printer doesn't work, just pick it 
> up and lob it to the floor. That'll get someones attention. Heh... 

Yes. Probably our accountant, when the repair bill comes in. o_O


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 10:30:07
Message: <4981cb7f$1@news.povray.org>
> Heh. This place is going to be sooo quiet once I get an actual girl of 
> my own. :-P

Apart from during working hours.


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From: St 
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 10:31:49
Message: <4981cbe5$1@news.povray.org>
"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
news:4981c854$1@news.povray.org...

>>  Is she married? Do you get on with her ok? Heck man, for the hell of it, 
>> just ask her if she would like to go out for a drink sometime. Gofrit.
>
> Heh. She's not married. AFAIK she doesn't have anybody yet. (Not that I'd 
> know any different if she did.) She has a reputation for being very 
> enthusiastic about blokes, but there never seems to be any substance to 
> it. I think it's just bored girls' office humour. I get on kind of OK with 
> her, but... she's a tad strange.

     Define 'strange'. Everyone I know has some quirk or whatever. It's what 
makes us unique and 'individuals'.


>
> I think I did once suggest we meet up outside work sometime. She seemed 
> excruciatingly embarressed, and said no. Oh well!

 OMG! That was then, this is now! Ask her again!! It's only for a drink, 
just ask her, if she says yes, then bingo, you're dating a woman even if 
it's just once. If she says no, so what?


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From: St 
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 10:33:32
Message: <4981cc4c$1@news.povray.org>
"scott" <sco### [at] scottcom> wrote in message 
news:4981cb7f$1@news.povray.org...
>> Heh. This place is going to be sooo quiet once I get an actual girl of my 
>> own. :-P
>
> Apart from during working hours.
>

   LOL! I was waiting for that! :)


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From: St 
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 10:35:31
Message: <4981ccc3$1@news.povray.org>
"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
news:4981ca9b$1@news.povray.org...

>>    Let the bad boy out! :) Next time the printer doesn't work, just pick 
>> it up and lob it to the floor. That'll get someones attention. Heh...
>
> Yes. Probably our accountant, when the repair bill comes in. o_O

    Just tell her you'll pay her back in kind... ;)


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 11:41:56
Message: <4981dc54$1@news.povray.org>
St. escreveu:
> "Mike Raiford" <mraXXXiford.at.@g1023mail.com> wrote in message 
> news:4981970f$1@news.povray.org...
>> St. wrote:
>>> It doesn't matter what you tell your kids, they never listen. :(
>> Uh oh... Not good.
>>
>> Hopefully he steps up and does the right thing in regards to taking care 
>> of a child. They're a lot of hard work.
> 
>      Made (hopefully) easier by Dad.
> 
>     Thing is, he's only known her about 3 months, and they're SOOOO in 
> luuuurve, and now they're talking marriage.
> 
>     Definately not good. 

Doesn't matter, man!  All you need is love! :)

It happened about the same to me and, though love is now gone and we 
parted ways, my daughter is the best thing in my life.  I got a job 
*after* having a child and I've been progressing further ever since, 
with a house of my own, gadgets and much fun with her.  You can't stop 
life from suddenly getting in the way of your big plans.  Everything 
just falls into place.

Congratulations!  You'll get to love the little brat in time and will 
see a bright change operating on your son... :D


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 11:43:36
Message: <4981dcb8$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible escreveu:
> with her, but... she's a tad strange.

Little secret for you:  *all* women are a tad strange.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 11:48:26
Message: <4981ddda$1@news.povray.org>
nemesis wrote:
> Invisible escreveu:
>> with her, but... she's a tad strange.
> 
> Little secret for you:  *all* women are a tad strange.

Yeah. But some are weirder than others. ;-)


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 12:06:31
Message: <4981e217$1@news.povray.org>
St. wrote:
>  I said: "Get yourself through college first son, get a good job, and then 
> find yourself a nice girl". 

Mine told me "Don't worry son. Even if some day you *do* understand women, 
you still won't believe it."  ;-)

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   "Ouch ouch ouch!"
   "What's wrong? Noodles too hot?"
   "No, I have Chopstick Tunnel Syndrome."


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From: Tim Cook
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 12:07:29
Message: <4981e251$1@news.povray.org>
"St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:
>  Yes. He's just too young and so is she.

The too-young argument irritates me.  It's not about age, it's about 
maturity, which isn't really tied to age.  [insert conservative grousing 
about how the liberals won't let people raise their kids properly these 
days, too much government, more-than-a-little racist statement that is sworn 
to not be racist, things used to be so much better, etc.]  [insert "won't 
someone please think of the children?", etc.]

>> (Either that or I'm just jelous because I'll never know what it feels 
>> like to have a girl actually fancy me...)
>    Ah, shucks mate, when it happens, it will happen. It will hit you like 
> a bolt of lightening. And it *will* happen.

Yeah, at least Invisible goes outside.  Me?  Was taken to go shopping by 
people met thru playing D&D/Shadowrun (that game on hiatus for a long while 
now) on the 3rd around 11 pm, a cute church-soliciting girl knocked on my 
door on the 10th and just stood there grinning while I tried to figure out a 
polite way of saying "I have no idea how to interact with people let alone 
cute girls so pls go away kthxbye", I checked the mail on the 14th or so 
around 1 am, took out the trash on the 25th, checked the mail again on the 
27th, and paid my lot rent on the 28th, nervously chatting with the old lady 
there about the economy for a few minutes.  Apart from that I've not left my 
trailer, let alone seen/talked to anybody all month.  (See also: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizoid )

C'est la vie, eh?

-- 
Tim Cook
http://empyrean.freesitespace.net


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Grandad
Date: 29 Jan 2009 12:09:39
Message: <4981e2d3$1@news.povray.org>
St. wrote:
>   Oh my god, that brought back some memories!
>     "WAAA.. AAA... AAAH!!"   :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nojWJ6-XmeQ

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   "Ouch ouch ouch!"
   "What's wrong? Noodles too hot?"
   "No, I have Chopstick Tunnel Syndrome."


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