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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Enya does it again
Date: 21 Jan 2009 16:28:21
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Enya, "And Winter Came...", track #3: "White is in the Winter Night".

Just so you know, it ****in PWNZ! I've just listened to it, like, 4 
times back-to-back, and you know what? I think I'm going to play it yet 
again...

Such PWN3RSH1P is rare indeed!

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 21 Jan 2009 16:53:22
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Orchid XP v8 escreveu:
> Just so you know, it ****in PWNZ! I've just listened to it, like, 4 
> times back-to-back, and you know what? I think I'm going to play it yet 
> again...

I usually choose one single Bach or Beethoven piece to go along all day. ;)


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 21 Jan 2009 16:55:40
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nemesis wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 escreveu:
>> I've just listened to it, like, 4 
>> times back-to-back, and you know what? I think I'm going to play it 
>> yet again...
> 
> I usually choose one single Bach or Beethoven piece to go along all day. ;)

I defy you to dance to that though. ;-) Let alone sing along...

OTOH, Bach contains way more detail to enjoy, so......

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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 21 Jan 2009 16:58:46
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Orchid XP v8 escreveu:
> nemesis wrote:
>> Orchid XP v8 escreveu:
>>> I've just listened to it, like, 4 times back-to-back, and you know 
>>> what? I think I'm going to play it yet again...
>>
>> I usually choose one single Bach or Beethoven piece to go along all 
>> day. ;)
> I defy you to dance to that though. ;-) Let alone sing along...

Believe it or not, people danced to Bach's "profane" music... :)

> OTOH, Bach contains way more detail to enjoy, so......

What's wrong with good ol' Ludwig?  well, scrap that, let Enya fans have 
their share... :P


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 21 Jan 2009 17:00:30
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>> OTOH, Bach contains way more detail to enjoy, so......
> 
> What's wrong with good ol' Ludwig?

Dunno. What's he sound like?

-- 
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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 21 Jan 2009 17:01:35
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Orchid XP v8 escreveu:
>>> OTOH, Bach contains way more detail to enjoy, so......
>>
>> What's wrong with good ol' Ludwig?
> 
> Dunno. What's he sound like?

Sounds fantastic. :D


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 21 Jan 2009 18:07:45
Message: <4977aac1$1@news.povray.org>
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 21:28:21 +0000, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

> Enya, "And Winter Came...", track #3: "White is in the Winter Night".
> 
> Just so you know, it ****in PWNZ! I've just listened to it, like, 4
> times back-to-back, and you know what? I think I'm going to play it yet
> again...
> 
> Such PWN3RSH1P is rare indeed!

I agree, very good track and album.  :-)

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 21 Jan 2009 18:09:06
Message: <4977ab12$1@news.povray.org>
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 22:00:31 +0000, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

>>> OTOH, Bach contains way more detail to enjoy, so......
>> 
>> What's wrong with good ol' Ludwig?
> 
> Dunno. What's he sound like?

His later work is loud, largely due to his deafness.  Check out his fifth 
symphony (a very well known work) or the 9th.

Or "Fur Elise" for solo piano.  He had quite a range of works.

Jim


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From: triple r
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 21 Jan 2009 22:10:00
Message: <web.4977e36677471569ef2b9ba40@news.povray.org>
Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> > Dunno. What's he sound like?
>
> His later work is loud, largely due to his deafness.  Check out his fifth
> symphony (a very well known work) or the 9th.

Or his late string quartets (~Op. 127-135), some of the last music he wrote, not
to mention some of the best.

 - Ricky


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 21 Jan 2009 22:36:57
Message: <4977e9d9$1@news.povray.org>
triple_r wrote:
> Or his late string quartets (~Op. 127-135), some of the last music he wrote, not
> to mention some of the best.

Or "Musical Offering", which takes one theme and beats it with a club of 
wonderous complexity until it's naught but a greasy stain on the concrete.

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   "Ouch ouch ouch!"
   "What's wrong? Noodles too hot?"
   "No, I have Chopstick Tunnel Syndrome."


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 21 Jan 2009 23:10:01
Message: <web.4977f0e97747156933c5ba210@news.povray.org>
"triple_r" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> > > Dunno. What's he sound like?
> >
> > His later work is loud, largely due to his deafness.  Check out his fifth
> > symphony (a very well known work) or the 9th.
>
> Or his late string quartets (~Op. 127-135), some of the last music he wrote, not
> to mention some of the best.

I don't know what loudness you guys are talking about.  If you're talking about
dynamics of expression, Beethoven always had a passion for very contrasting
dynamics.  His music is filled with passion and extreme emotional states, even
from before deafness:  going from pianissimo to fortissimo and vice-versa --
using the full dynamic range the developing piano-forte allowed in contrast
with the older harpsichord.  How can you convey passion without dynamics?

Think Beethoven is loud?  Ever heard Wagner?  But yes, not too many people
enjoyed his "savage" sounds, like Chopin once put it.


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 21 Jan 2009 23:35:00
Message: <web.4977f67e7747156933c5ba210@news.povray.org>
Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> triple_r wrote:
> > Or his late string quartets (~Op. 127-135), some of the last music he wrote, not
> > to mention some of the best.
>
> Or "Musical Offering", which takes one theme and beats it with a club of
> wonderous complexity until it's naught but a greasy stain on the concrete.

Are you talking of the 32 variations?  Yes, a magnificent masterpiece... :)


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From: triple r
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 21 Jan 2009 23:55:01
Message: <web.4977fab477471569ef2b9ba40@news.povray.org>
"nemesis" <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> > > His later work is loud, largely due to his deafness.  Check out his fifth
> > > symphony (a very well known work) or the 9th.
> >
> > Or his late string quartets (~Op. 127-135), some of the last music he wrote, not
> > to mention some of the best.
>
> Think Beethoven is loud?

Didn't mean to imply loud, only worth checking out for a good cross-section of
Beethoven.

> How can you convey passion without dynamics?

Glenn Gould seems to pull this off somehow.  Full of passion, but not much for
dynamics.

> Ever heard Wagner?  But yes, not too many people
> enjoyed his "savage" sounds, like Chopin once put it.

Or, as Mark Twain put it, "Richard Wagner, a musician who wrote music which is
better than it sounds."

 - Ricky


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 22 Jan 2009 00:50:22
Message: <4978091e$1@news.povray.org>
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 22:09:26 -0500, triple_r wrote:

> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>> > Dunno. What's he sound like?
>>
>> His later work is loud, largely due to his deafness.  Check out his
>> fifth symphony (a very well known work) or the 9th.
> 
> Or his late string quartets (~Op. 127-135), some of the last music he
> wrote, not to mention some of the best.

True, I always forget the quartets - also the solo works for stringed 
instruments (with accompaniment) are quite good.

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 22 Jan 2009 00:58:03
Message: <49780aeb@news.povray.org>
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 23:07:05 -0500, nemesis wrote:

> "triple_r" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
>> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>> > > Dunno. What's he sound like?
>> >
>> > His later work is loud, largely due to his deafness.  Check out his
>> > fifth symphony (a very well known work) or the 9th.
>>
>> Or his late string quartets (~Op. 127-135), some of the last music he
>> wrote, not to mention some of the best.
> 
> I don't know what loudness you guys are talking about.  If you're
> talking about dynamics of expression, Beethoven always had a passion for
> very contrasting dynamics.  His music is filled with passion and extreme
> emotional states, even from before deafness:  going from pianissimo to
> fortissimo and vice-versa -- using the full dynamic range the developing
> piano-forte allowed in contrast with the older harpsichord.  How can you
> convey passion without dynamics?

Have you heard Barber's "Adagio for Strings"?  Very passionate piece of 
music (I've been fortunate enough to perform it as a member of an 
orchestra), and while there is one notable section that is has a very 
strong fortissimo, the quiet sections aren't any less passionate.

> Think Beethoven is loud?  Ever heard Wagner?  But yes, not too many
> people enjoyed his "savage" sounds, like Chopin once put it.

I regularly listen to the entire "Ring" cycle.  Beethoven's loudness is 
very different from Wagner's, but it is no less pronounced.  The final 
movement of the 9th symphony is kinda the epitome of this, but the later 
works definitely have fewer quiet places than his earlier works.

Particularly when comparing the different periods of music the two 
composed in; I could as easily argue that Beethoven is quiet as a mouse 
compared to Aaron Copland, Howard Hanson, Igor Stravinsky, or Antonin 
Dvorak.  The four of them are much more modern composers than Beethoven.  
Compared to his contemporaries, Beethoven was quite loud.

This is not to say Beethoven wasn't absolutely brilliant.  It was, and I 
listen to my collection of the 9 symphonies about as often as I listen to 
the Wagner.  There is a lot of musical variety just in those 9 works of 
his.

Jim


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From: Carlo C 
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 22 Jan 2009 04:20:00
Message: <web.4978398d77471569b50d9d1a0@news.povray.org>
Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 23:07:05 -0500, nemesis wrote:
>
> > "triple_r" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> >> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> >> > > Dunno. What's he sound like?
> >> >
> >> > His later work is loud, largely due to his deafness.  Check out his
> >> > fifth symphony (a very well known work) or the 9th.
> >>
> >> Or his late string quartets (~Op. 127-135), some of the last music he
> >> wrote, not to mention some of the best.
> >
> > I don't know what loudness you guys are talking about.  If you're
> > talking about dynamics of expression, Beethoven always had a passion for
> > very contrasting dynamics.  His music is filled with passion and extreme
> > emotional states, even from before deafness:  going from pianissimo to
> > fortissimo and vice-versa -- using the full dynamic range the developing
> > piano-forte allowed in contrast with the older harpsichord.  How can you
> > convey passion without dynamics?
>
> Have you heard Barber's "Adagio for Strings"?  Very passionate piece of
> music (I've been fortunate enough to perform it as a member of an
> orchestra), and while there is one notable section that is has a very
> strong fortissimo, the quiet sections aren't any less passionate.
>
> > Think Beethoven is loud?  Ever heard Wagner?  But yes, not too many
> > people enjoyed his "savage" sounds, like Chopin once put it.
>
> I regularly listen to the entire "Ring" cycle.  Beethoven's loudness is
> very different from Wagner's, but it is no less pronounced.  The final
> movement of the 9th symphony is kinda the epitome of this, but the later
> works definitely have fewer quiet places than his earlier works.
>
> Particularly when comparing the different periods of music the two
> composed in; I could as easily argue that Beethoven is quiet as a mouse
> compared to Aaron Copland, Howard Hanson, Igor Stravinsky, or Antonin
> Dvorak.  The four of them are much more modern composers than Beethoven.
> Compared to his contemporaries, Beethoven was quite loud.
>
> This is not to say Beethoven wasn't absolutely brilliant.  It was, and I
> listen to my collection of the 9 symphonies about as often as I listen to
> the Wagner.  There is a lot of musical variety just in those 9 works of
> his.
>
> Jim

Beethoven?
to understand what we are talking about... ;-)

Mp3:
Sinfonia n 1 in Do maggiore op. 21, 1952, Furtwängler Wilhelm
Sinfonia n 5 in Do minore op. 67, 1950, De Sabata Victor
Sinfonia n 6 in Fa maggiore op. 68 «Pastorale», 1954, Furtwängler, Wilhelm
Sinfonia n 7 in La maggiore op. 92, 1954, Furtwängler, Wilhelm
Sinfonia n 8 in Fa maggiore op. 93, 1951, De Sabata, Victor
Sinfonia n 8 in Fa maggiore op. 93, 1954, Furtwängler, Wilhelm

link: http://www.liberliber.it/audioteca/b/beethoven/index.htm







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Carlo


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From: Carlo C 
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 22 Jan 2009 04:30:01
Message: <web.49783c3477471569b50d9d1a0@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Enya, "And Winter Came...", track #3: "White is in the Winter Night".
>
> Just so you know, it ****in PWNZ! I've just listened to it, like, 4
> times back-to-back, and you know what? I think I'm going to play it yet
> again...
>
> Such PWN3RSH1P is rare indeed!
>
> --
> http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
> http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*

I bought all the cd of Enya, until a few years ago.
I have the impression that Enya has *run out of ideas*.
Enya continues to copy itself.
(She made me hate the staccato!) :-)

--
Carlo


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 22 Jan 2009 04:30:08
Message: <q0fgn4lcuvgtvp352kltatj03gloqt54se@4ax.com>
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 21:55:41 +0000, Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:

>nemesis wrote:
>> Orchid XP v8 escreveu:
>>> I've just listened to it, like, 4 
>>> times back-to-back, and you know what? I think I'm going to play it 
>>> yet again...
>> 
>> I usually choose one single Bach or Beethoven piece to go along all day. ;)
>
>I defy you to dance to that though. ;-) Let alone sing along...
>

I dare you not to sing along to Beethoven's setting of "Ode to Joy" (An die
Freude).
-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 22 Jan 2009 04:31:44
Message: <49783d00$1@news.povray.org>
Carlo C. wrote:

> I bought all the cd of Enya, until a few years ago.
> I have the impression that Enya has *run out of ideas*.
> Enya continues to copy itself.

Yeah. And somebody complained to me that they took an Enya CD and played 
it backwards and it still sounded the same. Whatever, each to their own. 
I listed to what *I* like listening to, and I'm really not bothered if 
anybody else approves. :-P


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 22 Jan 2009 04:32:20
Message: <49783d24$1@news.povray.org>
Stephen wrote:

> I dare you not to sing along to Beethoven's setting of "Ode to Joy" (An die
> Freude).

1. That was Beethoven?

2. There are *words*??


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 22 Jan 2009 04:35:58
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 23:48:52 EST, "triple_r" <nomail@nomail> wrote:

>
>Or, as Mark Twain put it, "Richard Wagner, a musician who wrote music which is
>better than it sounds."

Or as Mary Macgregor (a friend of my wife) said. "Music to slaughter pigs by".
(No reference to certain atrocities 60 odd years ago)
OTOH his early music is quite jolly, "The Mastersingers of Nuremberg".
-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 22 Jan 2009 04:37:14
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On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 09:32:22 +0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:

>Stephen wrote:
>
>> I dare you not to sing along to Beethoven's setting of "Ode to Joy" (An die
>> Freude).
>
>1. That was Beethoven?
>

Yes.

>2. There are *words*??

By Schiller.
-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 22 Jan 2009 04:41:05
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>>> I dare you not to sing along to Beethoven's setting of "Ode to Joy" (An die
>>> Freude).
>> 1. That was Beethoven?
>>
> 
> Yes.
> 
>> 2. There are *words*??
> 
> By Schiller.

Mmm, OK. I just played it... ;-)

Simple, yet effective.


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From: Carlo C 
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 22 Jan 2009 04:45:01
Message: <web.49783ffa77471569b50d9d1a0@news.povray.org>
Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Carlo C. wrote:
>
> > I bought all the cd of Enya, until a few years ago.
> > I have the impression that Enya has *run out of ideas*.
> > Enya continues to copy itself.
>
> Yeah. And somebody complained to me that they took an Enya CD and played
> it backwards and it still sounded the same. Whatever, each to their own.
> I listed to what *I* like listening to, and I'm really not bothered if
> anybody else approves. :-P

Certo! Of course! :-)

--
Carlo


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From: Carlo C 
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 22 Jan 2009 05:00:01
Message: <web.4978429877471569b50d9d1a0@news.povray.org>
Ah, Enya!
*Caribbean Blue* : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caribbean_Blue
Engraved on my heart, forever!


--
Carlo


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From: Tim Cook
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 22 Jan 2009 05:06:55
Message: <4978453f@news.povray.org>
Hmm actually not one of my most favourite tracks on the album (last month or 
so I went onto a torrent site to grab the enya albums because I didn't feel 
like setting up and my cd/dvd drive to rip them and discovered that hey, 
there's a new album! downloaded it, then had to buy it)...Trains and Winter 
Rains, Last Time by Moonlight, O Come O Come Emmanuel (Latin part 
especially), and Dreams are More Precious are (more or less in that order) 
the ones I like the most.  Don't care so much for One Toy Soldier, and while 
My! My! Time flies is enjoyable, it...is a bit out of place ^^

-- 
Tim Cook
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From: Tim Cook
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 22 Jan 2009 05:15:48
Message: <49784754$1@news.povray.org>
"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Yeah. And somebody complained to me that they took an Enya CD and played 
> it backwards and it still sounded the same.

I've done that with an mp3...personally, I think it's awesome.  hehe

-- 
Tim Cook
http://empyrean.freesitespace.net


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 22 Jan 2009 05:22:55
Message: <497848ff$1@news.povray.org>
Carlo C. wrote:
> Ah, Enya!
> *Caribbean Blue* : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caribbean_Blue
> Engraved on my heart, forever!

Yeah. I've spent many hours watching Geiss while listening to this...


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From: bluetree
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 22 Jan 2009 05:56:56
Message: <497850D0.2070607@yahoo.de>
Stephen wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 09:32:22 +0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> 
>> Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> I dare you not to sing along to Beethoven's setting of "Ode to Joy" (An die
>>> Freude).
>> 1. That was Beethoven?
>>
> 
> Yes.
> 
>> 2. There are *words*??
> 
> By Schiller.


I love Goethe and Schiller. :-)
What about Erlkoenig by Schubert?


Regards,
bluetree


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 22 Jan 2009 08:31:17
Message: <o7tgn4dum06olcttvoe7g4h7g9905kq59p@4ax.com>
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 09:41:08 +0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:

>>>> I dare you not to sing along to Beethoven's setting of "Ode to Joy" (An die
>>>> Freude).
>>> 1. That was Beethoven?
>>>
>> 
>> Yes.
>> 
>>> 2. There are *words*??
>> 
>> By Schiller.
>
>Mmm, OK. I just played it... ;-)
>

Simple? A choral symphony for four solo voices, chorus, and orchestra. But then
you understand Haskel ;)

>Simple, yet effective.

And so effective it is referred to it as the European Anthem.
-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 22 Jan 2009 08:33:43
Message: <5atgn459up1uk4bn0iov2vemghvn5hm5ue@4ax.com>
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 11:56:16 +0100, bluetree <sea### [at] yahoode> wrote:

>Stephen wrote:
>> On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 09:32:22 +0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> 
>>> Stephen wrote:
>>>
>>>> I dare you not to sing along to Beethoven's setting of "Ode to Joy" (An die
>>>> Freude).
>>> 1. That was Beethoven?
>>>
>> 
>> Yes.
>> 
>>> 2. There are *words*??
>> 
>> By Schiller.
>
>
>I love Goethe and Schiller. :-)
>What about Erlkoenig by Schubert?
>

Dietrich Fisher-Dieskau ;)

And what about Winterreise by Müller? Set to music by Shubert.
-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 22 Jan 2009 08:38:51
Message: <497876eb$1@news.povray.org>
> Simple? A choral symphony for four solo voices, chorus, and orchestra. But then
> you understand Haskel ;)

We only played the part for orchestra. There are only 6 notes in it. 
(Which, incidentally, is 1 note more than the Enya song that started 
this thread...)


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 22 Jan 2009 11:16:23
Message: <49789bd7$1@news.povray.org>
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 04:17:01 -0500, Carlo C. wrote:

> Beethoven?

Yes....but I'm not sure what you mean by this reply (in its entirety). :-)

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 22 Jan 2009 11:17:38
Message: <49789c22$1@news.povray.org>
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 09:32:22 +0000, Invisible wrote:

> Stephen wrote:
> 
>> I dare you not to sing along to Beethoven's setting of "Ode to Joy" (An
>> die Freude).
> 
> 1. That was Beethoven?
> 
> 2. There are *words*??

<facepalm>


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 22 Jan 2009 11:19:25
Message: <49789c8d$1@news.povray.org>
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 04:55:36 -0500, Carlo C. wrote:

> Ah, Enya!
> *Caribbean Blue* : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caribbean_Blue Engraved
> on my heart, forever!

I'm partial to "Book of Days", but I would love to hear the Gaelic 
version of it (I've only heard the English version).

Jim


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 22 Jan 2009 12:59:36
Message: <4978b408$1@news.povray.org>
Stephen wrote:
> I dare you not to sing along to Beethoven's setting of "Ode to Joy" (An die
> Freude).

There's a reason it served as the inflection point in the movie "Equilibrium".

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   "Ouch ouch ouch!"
   "What's wrong? Noodles too hot?"
   "No, I have Chopstick Tunnel Syndrome."


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 22 Jan 2009 13:01:06
Message: <4978b462$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:

> Yeah. And somebody complained to me that they took an Enya CD and played 
> it backwards and it still sounded the same.

So does "Musical Offering". :-)

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   "Ouch ouch ouch!"
   "What's wrong? Noodles too hot?"
   "No, I have Chopstick Tunnel Syndrome."


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 22 Jan 2009 13:17:24
Message: <4978b834$1@news.povray.org>
Darren New escreveu:
> Stephen wrote:
>> I dare you not to sing along to Beethoven's setting of "Ode to Joy" 
>> (An die
>> Freude).
> 
> There's a reason it served as the inflection point in the movie 
> "Equilibrium".
> 
Huh, I remember it was the first movement of the symphony.  BTW, that 
movie is a Matrix wannabe... :P


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 22 Jan 2009 13:18:49
Message: <4978b889$1@news.povray.org>
Darren New escreveu:
> Invisible wrote:
> 
>> Yeah. And somebody complained to me that they took an Enya CD and 
>> played it backwards and it still sounded the same.
> 
> So does "Musical Offering". :-)

You sure jest! :)


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 22 Jan 2009 14:02:08
Message: <4978c2b0$1@news.povray.org>
nemesis wrote:
> Huh, I remember it was the first movement of the symphony.

Well, yes, I think that's right. And given the record player, it probably 
wasn't the whole symphony. (I guess "Ode to Joy" is just the last movement, 
then, yes?)

>  BTW, that movie is a Matrix wannabe... :P

That's why I rented it. The box said "like the Matrix!" and I figured that 
would mean it's awful enough to be worth renting, while it actually turned 
out to be one of my favorite movies.

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   "Ouch ouch ouch!"
   "What's wrong? Noodles too hot?"
   "No, I have Chopstick Tunnel Syndrome."


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 22 Jan 2009 14:15:23
Message: <4978c5cb$1@news.povray.org>
nemesis wrote:
> Darren New escreveu:
>> Invisible wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah. And somebody complained to me that they took an Enya CD and 
>>> played it backwards and it still sounded the same.
>>
>> So does "Musical Offering". :-)
> 
> You sure jest! :)

No. Some of the movements (or whatever they're called) are the same melody 
played forward and backward at the same time. Some are the same played right 
side up and upside down.  (Crab Canon is like that, too.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_canon

With POV-Ray, even:
http://strangepaths.com/canon-1-a-2/2009/01/18/en/

(Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Musical_Offering )

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   "Ouch ouch ouch!"
   "What's wrong? Noodles too hot?"
   "No, I have Chopstick Tunnel Syndrome."


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 22 Jan 2009 15:44:57
Message: <4978dac9@news.povray.org>
Darren New escreveu:
> nemesis wrote:
>> Darren New escreveu:
>>> Invisible wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah. And somebody complained to me that they took an Enya CD and 
>>>> played it backwards and it still sounded the same.
>>>
>>> So does "Musical Offering". :-)
>>
>> You sure jest! :)
> 
> No. Some of the movements (or whatever they're called) are the same 
> melody played forward and backward at the same time. Some are the same 
> played right side up and upside down.  (Crab Canon is like that, too.)
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_canon

Yes, fugues and canons are recursive and self-referential musical pieces 
based on variations over a single theme or 2 themes, the second itself 
generally a variation of the first.  Inversions are one such variation.

However, an inverted piece of melody doesn't mean the whole music will 
sound the same if played backwards.  That's why I thought you were jesting.

And I thought you were originally talking about Beethoven's 32 variations...


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 22 Jan 2009 16:19:58
Message: <4978e2fe@news.povray.org>
nemesis wrote:
> However, an inverted piece of melody doesn't mean the whole music will 
> sound the same if played backwards.  That's why I thought you were jesting.

Not necessarily, but I've seen music Bach wrote that had exactly that 
feature.  It's probably mentioned in GEB somewhere.

> And I thought you were originally talking about Beethoven's 32 
> variations...

I thought I was. Maybe I'm mistaken in exactly what's in there. I seem to be 
confusing various Bach fugues and I'm unable to track down just which one I 
was thinking of right now.

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   "Ouch ouch ouch!"
   "What's wrong? Noodles too hot?"
   "No, I have Chopstick Tunnel Syndrome."


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 22 Jan 2009 16:52:53
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On 22 Jan 2009 11:17:38 -0500, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:

>On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 09:32:22 +0000, Invisible wrote:
>
>> Stephen wrote:
>> 
>>> I dare you not to sing along to Beethoven's setting of "Ode to Joy" (An
>>> die Freude).
>> 
>> 1. That was Beethoven?
>> 
>> 2. There are *words*??
>
><facepalm>

Indeed <facepalm>
-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 22 Jan 2009 17:10:48
Message: <4978eee8@news.povray.org>
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 11:02:07 -0800, Darren New wrote:

> Well, yes, I think that's right. And given the record player, it
> probably wasn't the whole symphony. (I guess "Ode to Joy" is just the
> last movement, then, yes?)

Yes, only in the final movement.

Jim


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From: bluetree
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 23 Jan 2009 06:33:06
Message: <4979AAC9.4050100@yahoo.de>
Stephen wrote:
> Dietrich Fisher-Dieskau ;)
> 
> And what about Winterreise by Müller? Set to music by Shubert.

Gorgeous! So beautiful!

Have you also seen Faust by Charles Gounod?
I've never went to the opera.
But I watched an old play of Faust.

---
bluetree


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 23 Jan 2009 08:46:59
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:32:25 +0100, bluetree <sea### [at] yahoode> wrote:

>Stephen wrote:
>> Dietrich Fisher-Dieskau ;)
>> 
>> And what about Winterreise by Müller? Set to music by Shubert.
>
>Gorgeous! So beautiful!
>

Sad and beautiful is Mahler's Kindertotenlieder 
Yes I listen to "lieder" as well. (English usage)

>Have you also seen Faust by Charles Gounod?

Yes, I've seen it a few times sung in English and in French. The English version
at the ENO was one of the best and most glamorous productions I've ever been to.
The French version at the ROH was very dark especially when Marguerite was
tormented by the witches (a ballet).
But Hey! The music is stirring.

I also love Berlioz's The Damnation of Faust.


>I've never went to the opera.
>But I watched an old play of Faust.

The only play about Faust that I have seen was by the 17th century English
playwright Christopher Marlowe, The Tragical History of Doctor Faustus. In fact
one of my most over used quotations is from it: 
"Why this is hell, nor am I out of it.
Think'st thou that I, who saw the face of God,
And tasted the eternal joys of heaven,
Am not tormented with ten thousand hells
In being deprived of everlasting bliss?"
-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 23 Jan 2009 10:42:19
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Darren New escreveu:
> That's why I rented it. The box said "like the Matrix!" and I figured 
> that would mean it's awful enough to be worth renting, while it actually 
> turned out to be one of my favorite movies.

It's like a cross between Matrix bullet-time kung-fu and 1984 opressive 
future.  All behind a blueish photography unlike Matrix's phosphor... :P 
  Perhaps you'd enjoy Ultraviolet as well...

BTW, that Batman guy is more expressionless than both Keany Reeves and 
Schwarzzenegger... :P


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 23 Jan 2009 13:26:39
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nemesis wrote:
>  Perhaps you'd enjoy Ultraviolet as well...

Watched it. Silly.

> BTW, that Batman guy is more expressionless than both Keany Reeves and 
> Schwarzzenegger... :P

He's drugged to his gills. He's *supposed* to be expressionless. That's why 
it's a dystopia!  Watch the second half of the movie.

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   "Ouch ouch ouch!"
   "What's wrong? Noodles too hot?"
   "No, I have Chopstick Tunnel Syndrome."


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Enya does it again
Date: 23 Jan 2009 13:27:44
Message: <497a0c20$1@news.povray.org>
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 13:46:36 +0000, Stephen wrote:

> I also love Berlioz's The Damnation of Faust.

That's a good one.  I also like the Symphonie Fantastique.  There is a 
certain irony in KBYU broadcasting that one, it's like they don't know 
what the story behind the music is.  (KBYU is the radio station run by 
Brigham Young University, which is owned by the LDS Church - a very 
conservative organization).

Jim


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