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http://tinyurl.com/7jmauo
Ah, I love benchmarks. You can argue about memory bandwidth or cache
sizes or price points all day, but a benchmark shows you what's
happening in the real world.
Right, so let's look at this benchmark. The GeForce 7900 GT is *clearly*
the loser. It has been thoroughly PWN3D in every single test. Some show
the other cards as up to 8x faster.
Now, the GeForce 280 is roughly 5x the price of the GeForce 260. And
thus you would expect a corresponding difference in performance. I don't
see one. Actually, in almost all cases, the two cards look remarkably
similar in performance. The 280 is maybe 3% or even as much as 10%
faster. Big deal. For 5x the price? I don't think I'll bother.
See, that's why I love benchmarks! :-D
Also... I'm loving the way even the big meat just can't handle Crysis.
That game came out, what, 7 years ago? And *still* today no graphics
card can run it properly. WTF? It's like the Vista of the gaming world...
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Also... I'm loving the way even the big meat just can't handle Crysis.
> That game came out, what, 7 years ago? And *still* today no graphics
> card can run it properly. WTF? It's like the Vista of the gaming world...
FSX will certainly choke even the beefiest SLI systems. I hate FSX. It's
always a a trade-off between beautiful visuals and looks like crap but
at least runs at better than 15fps.
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Mike Raiford wrote:
> FSX will certainly choke even the beefiest SLI systems. I hate FSX. It's
> always a a trade-off between beautiful visuals and looks like crap but
> at least runs at better than 15fps.
What comfuses me is the number of benchmarks where SLI systems are
several percent *slower* than non-SLI. WTF?
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] dev null> wrote:
> Also... I'm loving the way even the big meat just can't handle Crysis.
> That game came out, what, 7 years ago? And *still* today no graphics
> card can run it properly. WTF? It's like the Vista of the gaming world...
"Crysis is a science fiction first-person shooter computer game
developed by German video game developer Crytek and published by
Electronic Arts, and is the first game of a planned trilogy. It
was released on November 2007."
Either your counting *really* sucks, or you are confusing it with FarCry
(which, btw, was published less than 5 years ago).
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Warp wrote:
> "Crysis is a science fiction first-person shooter computer game
> developed by German video game developer Crytek and published by
> Electronic Arts, and is the first game of a planned trilogy. It
> was released on November 2007."
>
> Either your counting *really* sucks, or you are confusing it with FarCry
> (which, btw, was published less than 5 years ago).
Wait, it was only released last year? It seems like people have been
complaining about it *forever*!
Oh, wait, that's *two* years ago... GAH! >_<
Damnit, my counting really sucks. ;_;
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>
> Wait, it was only released last year? It seems like people have been
> complaining about it *forever*!
Nope, the year before that.
> Oh, wait, that's *two* years ago... GAH! >_<
Nope, under 1,5.
> Damnit, my counting really sucks. ;_;
Yes, it does ;p.
-Aero
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Right, so let's look at this benchmark. The GeForce 7900 GT is *clearly*
> the loser. It has been thoroughly PWN3D in every single test. Some show
> the other cards as up to 8x faster.
But - far more importantly - the GeForce 200 series supports CUDA! ;-)
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Invisible wrote:
> But - far more importantly - the GeForce 200 series supports CUDA! ;-)
To understand why this is important:
http://tinyurl.com/7wrmqu
Last time I tried to post this stuff to Zazzle, I gave up after about 40
hours of rendering. It *still* wasn't of satisfactory quality! But with
a 50x speedup [it doesn't say against which CPU], it's plausible that I
might *finally* be able to generate high-quality images!
(Note that rendering is *not* resumable! Hence 40 hours of rendering
requires me to go without sleep, etc.)
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> (Note that rendering is *not* resumable! Hence 40 hours of rendering
> requires me to go without sleep, etc.)
You need to be awake for your computer to keep running?
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Warp wrote:
> You need to be awake for your computer to keep running?
Or rather, I am unable to sleep if my computer keeps running. :-/
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Warp wrote:
> > You need to be awake for your computer to keep running?
> Or rather, I am unable to sleep if my computer keeps running. :-/
Are you so worried about it that you can't sleep?-)
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>>> You need to be awake for your computer to keep running?
>
>> Or rather, I am unable to sleep if my computer keeps running. :-/
>
> Are you so worried about it that you can't sleep?-)
Heh. I'm not *that* much of a nerd quite yet. ;-)
No, the multiple fans make too much noise. (Not to mention the two blue
LEDs illuminate the entire room sufficiently to enable photopic vision...)
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> No, the multiple fans make too much noise. (Not to mention the two blue
> LEDs illuminate the entire room sufficiently to enable photopic vision...)
1) Move it to another room?
2) Buy a quieter case. There are ones which are really quiet.
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Invisible wrote:
> No, the multiple fans make too much noise.
Especially under high load, I'd expect.
> (Not to mention the two blue
> LEDs illuminate the entire room sufficiently to enable photopic vision...)
You can't possibly believe this is difficult to solve.
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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Why is there a chainsaw in DOOM?
There aren't any trees on Mars.
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>> No, the multiple fans make too much noise. (Not to mention the two blue
>> LEDs illuminate the entire room sufficiently to enable photopic vision...)
>
> 1) Move it to another room?
This requires the avilability of a room to move it to. (This isn't my
house, remember?)
> 2) Buy a quieter case. There are ones which are really quiet.
Well, buy a whole new PC perhaps... This one is powered by a lowly
Athlon64 X2 4200+. Cutting edge a while back, but obsolete now.
Most of the noise, however, comes from the GPU fan. And the 4 HDs...
--
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>> No, the multiple fans make too much noise.
>
> Especially under high load, I'd expect.
There is no noticable variation in the loudness of the system. It sounds
just as loud under no load as it does with 100% CPU and GPU load and all
drives thrashing madly.
>> (Not to mention the two blue LEDs illuminate the entire room
>> sufficiently to enable photopic vision...)
>
> You can't possibly believe this is difficult to solve.
No. But given the noise problem, I have little incentive to dismantle
the case to try to figure out how to disable the fan LEDs without
disabling the fans themselves.
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"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
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> No. But given the noise problem, I have little incentive to dismantle the
> case to try to figure out how to disable the fan LEDs without disabling
> the fans themselves.
Erm, electrical tape? (Wasn't this discussed here recently?)
~Steve~
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Invisible wrote:
>>> No, the multiple fans make too much noise.
>>
>> Especially under high load, I'd expect.
>
> There is no noticable variation in the loudness of the system. It sounds
> just as loud under no load as it does with 100% CPU and GPU load and all
> drives thrashing madly.
Running Windows? Go google for "speedfan" and throw it on there. It takes
some playing to get right, sometimes.
>>> (Not to mention the two blue LEDs illuminate the entire room
>>> sufficiently to enable photopic vision...)
>>
>> You can't possibly believe this is difficult to solve.
>
> No. But given the noise problem, I have little incentive to dismantle
> the case to try to figure out how to disable the fan LEDs without
> disabling the fans themselves.
Have you ever heard of ... electrical tape? Blue light is blocked by some
very tiny bits of matter.
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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Why is there a chainsaw in DOOM?
There aren't any trees on Mars.
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On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 09:58:57 -0800, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>Running Windows? Go google for "speedfan" and throw it on there. It takes
>some playing to get right, sometimes.
OOI I switched off Vista's UAC to install the new Beta and speedfan reported the
HDD temp. When I switched UAC on again only the core temperature showed.
???
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Stephen
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Stephen wrote:
> OOI I switched off Vista's UAC to install the new Beta and speedfan reported the
> HDD temp. When I switched UAC on again only the core temperature showed.
Are you running speedfan as administrator? I do believe Vista has some weird
ideas about what's privileged and what isn't. :-)
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Why is there a chainsaw in DOOM?
There aren't any trees on Mars.
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On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 11:28:57 -0800, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>Stephen wrote:
>> OOI I switched off Vista's UAC to install the new Beta and speedfan reported the
>> HDD temp. When I switched UAC on again only the core temperature showed.
>
>Are you running speedfan as administrator? I do believe Vista has some weird
>ideas about what's privileged and what isn't. :-)
You're telling me :)
I'm running it in an administrator account but not as administrator. When I ran
it as administrator I got both temps. But only the HDD temp shows in the task
bar, the core temp does not.
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Stephen
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Stephen wrote:
> I'm running it in an administrator account but not as administrator. When I ran
> it as administrator I got both temps.
The administrator account by default has UAC turned off. Maybe that's what
you mean, or maybe that's info new to you, but I suspect it's the explanation.
> But only the HDD temp shows in the task bar, the core temp does not.
I think the task bar only shows one temperature, and it's set with a
checkmark somewhere in the UI that says which it shows. As long as you see
it on the full window, it's being monitored. (Same with the fan speed, if
you display that instead.)
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Why is there a chainsaw in DOOM?
There aren't any trees on Mars.
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On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 13:41:37 -0800, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>Stephen wrote:
>> I'm running it in an administrator account but not as administrator. When I ran
>> it as administrator I got both temps.
>
>The administrator account by default has UAC turned off. Maybe that's what
>you mean, or maybe that's info new to you, but I suspect it's the explanation.
>
I have the UAC turned on, on this administrator account I meant that by
selecting the program from the start menu, right clicking and selecting "Run as
administrator"
>> But only the HDD temp shows in the task bar, the core temp does not.
>
>I think the task bar only shows one temperature, and it's set with a
>checkmark somewhere in the UI that says which it shows.
I could not find that checkmark.
>As long as you see
>it on the full window, it's being monitored. (Same with the fan speed, if
>you display that instead.)
I cannot see the fan speed at all, at all.
No big deal.
--
Regards
Stephen
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Stephen wrote:
> I have the UAC turned on, on this administrator account I meant that by
> selecting the program from the start menu, right clicking and selecting "Run as
> administrator"
I see. As I understand it, that doesn't actually log you on as
administrator. Instead, when you log into an account in the Administrators
group, you get two logins: one with admin privs, one without. The "run as
administrator" means "run with admin privs", not "run under the account
named Administrator". The account with the name "Administrator" is by
default configured to launch every process with administrative privs.
> I could not find that checkmark.
I fear I have retired all the machines with that installed, or I'd fire one
up and see if I can find it. Sorry.
> I cannot see the fan speed at all, at all.
Probably not monitored, then.
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Why is there a chainsaw in DOOM?
There aren't any trees on Mars.
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On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 15:42:15 -0800, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>Stephen wrote:
>> I have the UAC turned on, on this administrator account I meant that by
>> selecting the program from the start menu, right clicking and selecting "Run as
>> administrator"
>
>I see. As I understand it, that doesn't actually log you on as
>administrator. Instead, when you log into an account in the Administrators
>group, you get two logins: one with admin privs, one without. The "run as
>administrator" means "run with admin privs", not "run under the account
>named Administrator". The account with the name "Administrator" is by
>default configured to launch every process with administrative privs.
>
Thanks for clearing that up.
>> I could not find that checkmark.
>
>I fear I have retired all the machines with that installed, or I'd fire one
>up and see if I can find it. Sorry.
>
No problems :)
>> I cannot see the fan speed at all, at all.
>
>Probably not monitored, then.
Probably not ;)
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Stephen
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"Stephen" <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom> wrote in message
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> I cannot see the fan speed at all, at all.
>
> No big deal.
It's not on the left like in the attached?
~Steve~
> --
>
> Regards
> Stephen
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Craziest colour scheme *ever*! >_<
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"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
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> Craziest colour scheme *ever*! >_<
No, it's what suits me and what i'm used to, it hasn't changed for
nearly 10 years now.
Show us yours.
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>> Craziest colour scheme *ever*! >_<
>
> No, it's what suits me and what i'm used to, it hasn't changed for
> nearly 10 years now.
OK, well each to their own. It's a free country. ;-)
(I am a little puzzled as to how you can read black on a dark blue
background, but still...)
> Show us yours.
Why bother? It's just the standard grey and black.
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"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
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>>> Craziest colour scheme *ever*! >_<
>>
>> No, it's what suits me and what i'm used to, it hasn't changed for
>> nearly 10 years now.
>
> OK, well each to their own. It's a free country. ;-)
>
> (I am a little puzzled as to how you can read black on a dark blue
> background, but still...)
Dark blue?? O.O
>
>> Show us yours.
>
> Why bother? It's just the standard grey and black.
Just as bad then.
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St. wrote:
> It's not on the left like in the attached?
I see he has released a new version, too.
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There aren't any trees on Mars.
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St. wrote:
> No, it's what suits me and what i'm used to, it hasn't changed for
> nearly 10 years now.
One of my bosses once was color blind. He used navy blue on neon pink, and
forest green with a bright orange background. You could blind yourself just
walking past his office.
It didn't help that one of the color guns was misaligned, so everything had
a 2-pixel fringe around it he couldn't see.
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On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:38:33 -0000, "St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:
> It's not on the left like in the attached?
Yes, it's not on the left like in the attached.
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"Stephen" <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:38:33 -0000, "St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:
>
>> It's not on the left like in the attached?
>
> Yes, it's not on the left like in the attached.
How strange! You don't have anything there apart from those two temps and
CPU usage. Have you tried reinstalling it?
~Steve~
>
> --
>
> Regards
> Stephen
>
>
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"Darren New" <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote in message
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> St. wrote:
>> No, it's what suits me and what i'm used to, it hasn't changed for
>> nearly 10 years now.
>
> One of my bosses once was color blind. He used navy blue on neon pink, and
> forest green with a bright orange background. You could blind yourself
> just walking past his office.
Yes, I've seen some websites like that. Why mention colour blindness
though? I'm colour blind, but I see blue just fine, and I see teal fine too,
(which is what my colour scheme is).
Dark blue:
http://images.google.com/images?sourceid=navclient&rls=GEUA,GEUA:2006-18,GEUA:en&q=dark%20blue&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
Teal:
http://images.google.com/images?sourceid=navclient&rls=GEUA,GEUA:2006-18,GEUA:en&q=teal%20colour&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
~Steve~
>
> It didn't help that one of the color guns was misaligned, so everything
> had a 2-pixel fringe around it he couldn't see.
>
> --
> Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
> Why is there a chainsaw in DOOM?
> There aren't any trees on Mars.
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>> Yes, it's not on the left like in the attached.
>
> How strange! You don't have anything there apart from those two temps
> and CPU usage. Have you tried reinstalling it?
AIUI those apps have to work out from the specific motherboard and other
hardware where to read those temperatures and fan speeds from. As all
motherboards can be different and there is no standard, it is possible the
application doesn't support all hardware.
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On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:27:43 -0000, "St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:
>
>"Stephen" <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom> wrote in message
>news:rtncm41foeamnnu001f15vmg59btr4sspn@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:38:33 -0000, "St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:
>>
>>> It's not on the left like in the attached?
>>
>> Yes, it's not on the left like in the attached.
>
> How strange! You don't have anything there apart from those two temps and
>CPU usage. Have you tried reinstalling it?
>
I did upgrade last week. It is a Toshiba laptop I have it installed on and I
only really care about the core temperature. Although out of curiosity I'll find
another monitoring programme and see what it shows.
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Stephen
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>>> Yes, it's not on the left like in the attached.
>>
>> How strange! You don't have anything there apart from those two temps
>> and CPU usage. Have you tried reinstalling it?
>
> AIUI those apps have to work out from the specific motherboard and other
> hardware where to read those temperatures and fan speeds from. As all
> motherboards can be different and there is no standard, it is possible the
> application doesn't support all hardware.
>
>
Hmm, I just assumed that 'all' motherboards had these features (that can
be read) anyway.
~Steve~
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"Stephen" <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:27:43 -0000, "St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Stephen" <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom> wrote in message
>>news:rtncm41foeamnnu001f15vmg59btr4sspn@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:38:33 -0000, "St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's not on the left like in the attached?
>>>
>>> Yes, it's not on the left like in the attached.
>>
>> How strange! You don't have anything there apart from those two temps
>> and
>>CPU usage. Have you tried reinstalling it?
>>
>
> I did upgrade last week. It is a Toshiba laptop I have it installed on and
> I
> only really care about the core temperature. Although out of curiosity
> I'll find
> another monitoring programme and see what it shows.
Yes, that would be interesting to see.
~Steve~
> --
>
> Regards
> Stephen
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On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:27:26 -0000, "St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:
>> I did upgrade last week. It is a Toshiba laptop I have it installed on and
>> I
>> only really care about the core temperature. Although out of curiosity
>> I'll find
>> another monitoring programme and see what it shows.
>
> Yes, that would be interesting to see.
Core Temp http://www.alcpu.com/CoreTemp/ showed values for both cores but I
could not find an application that would show me the fan speeds.
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Stephen
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"Stephen" <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:27:26 -0000, "St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:
>> Yes, that would be interesting to see.
>
> Core Temp http://www.alcpu.com/CoreTemp/ showed values for both cores but
> I
> could not find an application that would show me the fan speeds.
Hmm, you're not kidding, I drew a blank too.
~Steve~
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> Regards
> Stephen
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St. wrote:
> Yes, I've seen some websites like that. Why mention colour blindness
> though?
Because that's the reason he did it. :-)
If the blue border around the solid color at
http://images.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&rls=GEUA%2CGEUA%3A2006-18%2CGEUA%3Aen&q=neon+pink+color&btnG=Search+Images
doesn't make your eyes ache, you *are* color blind.
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Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Why is there a chainsaw in DOOM?
There aren't any trees on Mars.
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"Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
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> http://tinyurl.com/7jmauo
>
> Ah, I love benchmarks. You can argue about memory bandwidth or cache sizes
> or price points all day, but a benchmark shows you what's happening in the
> real world.
>
> Right, so let's look at this benchmark. The GeForce 7900 GT is *clearly*
> the loser. It has been thoroughly PWN3D in every single test. Some show
> the other cards as up to 8x faster.
>
> Now, the GeForce 280 is roughly 5x the price of the GeForce 260. And thus
> you would expect a corresponding difference in performance. I don't see
> one. Actually, in almost all cases, the two cards look remarkably similar
> in performance. The 280 is maybe 3% or even as much as 10% faster. Big
> deal. For 5x the price? I don't think I'll bother.
>
> See, that's why I love benchmarks! :-D
>
> Also... I'm loving the way even the big meat just can't handle Crysis.
> That game came out, what, 7 years ago? And *still* today no graphics card
> can run it properly. WTF? It's like the Vista of the gaming world...
>
> --
> http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
> http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
Ummm, Crysis came out in '07 I think and my GTX280 can play it in 1080p on
my LCD TV with every graphics option switched on full and it plays fine.
There are a lot of cards that can take Crysis these days, its certainly no
where near the power hog it used to be with respect to the current crop of
hardware.
Cheers Dre
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