Here's a random thing. There is one specific a colour that is *just* for 
girls. This colour is of course "pink".

Think about that for a moment. There's a particular segment of the 
visible spectrum that is especially resurved just for females. You walk 
into a room that's painted pink, you immediately think about girls. You 
see a set of pink baby clothes, you immediately think it's a baby girl.

Some people say things like "pink for a girl, blue for a boy". And 
certainly, if a boy wears blue, nobody thinks anything of it. But girls 
can wear blue too. Indeed, it seems that girls can wear *any* possible 
colour. But boys can't wear pink. That's resurved just for girls. So 
girls can wear any colour, boys can wear any colour except pink.

(I have no idea if this applies to other cultures around the world. I 
would hypothesize that it does not.)

I think we need to reserve a specific colour just for boys. I don't know 
*which* colour, but I think there should be a specific boy colour that 
girls can't use. Suggestions, people?

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Same goes for clothing.  Girls can wear guys clothing, no problem, but guys 
don't get to wear frilly dresses without being ostracized.

If feminism is about giving women equal footing with men, where's the 
masculism for giving men equal footing with women?

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Tim Cook wrote:
> Same goes for clothing.  Girls can wear guys clothing, no problem, but 
> guys don't get to wear frilly dresses without being ostracized.
> 
> If feminism is about giving women equal footing with men, where's the 
> masculism for giving men equal footing with women?

Yeah, I noticed that... Girl dressed up like a boy = cute. Boy dressed 
up like a girl = sum ting wong.

I think just once before I die, I'd like to dress up like a lady. No 
particular reason. Maybe it's like Keith Flint once said, "paint 
yourself purple. Walk down the street. **** a few people off."

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Invisible wrote:
> Some people say things like "pink for a girl, blue for a boy".

I read somewhere (scopes, perhaps?) that this was actually the opposite just 
maybe a hundred years ago. Cultures change.

> I think we need to reserve a specific colour just for boys.

Black and blue.  Nobody blinks if a boychild comes home with brusies from 
playing. :-)

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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> But boys can't wear pink. That's resurved just for girls.

  Google for "real men wear pink".

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                                                          - Warp

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Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> > But boys can't wear pink. That's resurved just for girls.

>   Google for "real men wear pink".

  Btw, there are situations where pink clothing on a man actually doesn't
look odd, but surprisingly natural. For example one of the characters in
CSI:Miami ofter wears pink shirts, and it doesn't look odd:

http://gallery.efanguide.com/~csimiami/albums/05x16/mia-0516-042.jpg

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Invisible wrote:
> Here's a random thing. There is one specific a colour that is *just* for
> girls. This colour is of course "pink".

Actually, it isn't.

http://forums.offipalsta.com/showthread.php?t=42193

You just need to have enought balls to drive it off the road. The thread
is in Finnish, but there's lots of pictures.

:)

-Aero

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Invisible wrote:
> 
> Yeah, I noticed that... Girl dressed up like a boy = cute. Boy dressed
> up like a girl = sum ting wong.

As long as someone notices. Take it all the way and really look like
girl, no-one will realize :p.

> I think just once before I die, I'd like to dress up like a lady. No
> particular reason. Maybe it's like Keith Flint once said, "paint
> yourself purple. Walk down the street. **** a few people off."

I promised to be a hostess at my moving-in party, so I did :p. It was
actually pretty fun, even though having high heels all the day was kind
of weird for feet (and yes, I trained for them.. you just have to). I
had black, straight skirt, pink sleeveless top, a black bleizer,
skin-colored pantyhose and as I said, high heels. And makeup and some
jewellery, too - I looked somewhat like a business lady. The clothes
were surprisingly comfy and I occationally tend to wear a skirt at home
(actually wearing one right now). Try it if you dare, it can be fun :).
Find a girlfriend and let her help ;).

-Aero

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Hmm, I like female pink. :P

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Eero Ahonen wrote:

> I promised to be a hostess at my moving-in party, so I did :p. It was
> actually pretty fun, even though having high heels all the day was kind
> of weird for feet (and yes, I trained for them.. you just have to). I
> had black, straight skirt, pink sleeveless top, a black bleizer,
> skin-colored pantyhose and as I said, high heels. And makeup and some
> jewellery, too - I looked somewhat like a business lady. The clothes
> were surprisingly comfy and I occationally tend to wear a skirt at home
> (actually wearing one right now). Try it if you dare, it can be fun :).
> Find a girlfriend and let her help ;).

Woah... o_O

Oh, wait a sec - this is teh interwebz. I should have known somebody 
stranger than me would have done this already. ;-)

The part I'm wondering is... how do you go into a shop and try on a 
bunch of women's clothes without getting *really* weird looks from the 
other people in the shop?

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> 
> The part I'm wondering is... how do you go into a shop and try on a
> bunch of women's clothes without getting *really* weird looks from the
> other people in the shop?
> 

By ordering them via mail. At least in Finland there's a law that
requires 2 week returning time for all postal orders, so if they don't
fit you just return it.

-Aero

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That's nothing.  Here's a flashy sports car.

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On 05-Jan-09 18:25, Darren New wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
>> Some people say things like "pink for a girl, blue for a boy".
> 
> I read somewhere (scopes, perhaps?) that this was actually the opposite 
> just maybe a hundred years ago. Cultures change.

40 years ago, possibly even less, it was absolutely illegal to wear 
trousers as a female, at least at school. When it was cold girls did 
wear the to school, but changed just before entering school.

> 
>> I think we need to reserve a specific colour just for boys.
> 
> Black and blue.  Nobody blinks if a boychild comes home with brusies 
> from playing. :-)

Skin. We can wear real skin in stead of shirts.

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andrel wrote:

> Skin. We can wear real skin in stead of shirts.

And that reminds me...

A girl can walk into a room wearing scarlet, or wearing a dramatic short 
skirt, and people sit up and take notice. There is absolutely nothing a 
male can do which elicits a similar reaction.

(Sure, there are plenty of things you could turn up wearing which will 
make everybody *notice* you - but not in a good way...)

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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*

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Tim Cook wrote:
> That's nothing.  Here's a flashy sports car.

Around the USA, at least, pink Cadillacs are the traditional vehicle for pimps.

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On 05-Jan-09 21:46, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> andrel wrote:
> 
>> Skin. We can wear real skin in stead of shirts.
> 
> And that reminds me...
> 
> A girl can walk into a room wearing scarlet, or wearing a dramatic short 
> skirt, and people sit up and take notice. There is absolutely nothing a 
> male can do which elicits a similar reaction.

not every male can do an equivalence of a short skirt. You probably 
wouldn't but there are males that can. e.g. bodybuilders with hair on 
chest, a tight fitting shirt and 2 buttons undone.

The scarlet thing is even within your reach. If you wear a stylish but 
colorful jacket with matching shirt the ladies certainly will notice. 
Even if you wear a good black suit that fits they'll notice. Or try a 
white suit with a black shirt and a white tie. Remember it should always 
fit and you should wear it as if you never wear anything else.

But don't take my word for it, ask one of the ladies here.

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andrel wrote:

> But don't take my word for it, ask one of the ladies here.

OK ladies, wadayathink...?

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Darren New wrote:
> Tim Cook wrote:
>> That's nothing.  Here's a flashy sports car.
> 
> Around the USA, at least, pink Cadillacs are the traditional vehicle for 
> pimps.
> 

or Mary Kay cosmetics sales reps ... >choke<

-- 
~Mike

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And lo On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:25:45 -0000, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom>  
did spake thusly:

> Invisible wrote:
>> Some people say things like "pink for a girl, blue for a boy".
>
> I read somewhere (scopes, perhaps?) that this was actually the opposite  
> just maybe a hundred years ago. Cultures change.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2007/aug/25/genderissues

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And lo On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:46:44 -0000, Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull>  
did spake thusly:

> andrel wrote:
>
>> Skin. We can wear real skin in stead of shirts.
>
> And that reminds me...
>
> A girl can walk into a room wearing scarlet, or wearing a dramatic short  
> skirt, and people sit up and take notice. There is absolutely nothing a  
> male can do which elicits a similar reaction.
>
> (Sure, there are plenty of things you could turn up wearing which will  
> make everybody *notice* you - but not in a good way...)

I don't know I've had unsolicited female compliments for both my scarlet  
and purple/lilac shirts.

-- 
Phil Cook

--
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>> And that reminds me...
>>
>> A girl can walk into a room wearing scarlet, or wearing a dramatic 
>> short skirt, and people sit up and take notice. There is absolutely 
>> nothing a male can do which elicits a similar reaction.
> 
> I don't know I've had unsolicited female compliments for both my scarlet 
> and purple/lilac shirts.

When I wear my fuscia shirt, people just say "um... it's very *bright*".

I can only recall a handful of occasions *in my entire life* when 
somebody has some something nice about me that was unsolicited.

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Phil Cook v2 wrote:
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2007/aug/25/genderissues

Just like that, yes. :-)  I always liked evolution just-so stories. I think 
those are exactly the sorts of things that cause people to have a hard time 
believing it - they sound too much like fables of religion without any 
backing, and too easy to poke holes in.  Once you know what kinds of 
evidence evolution actually finds, it makes a lot more sense.

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   Why is there a chainsaw in DOOM?
   There aren't any trees on Mars.

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Darren New wrote:
> Phil Cook v2 wrote:
>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2007/aug/25/genderissues
> 
> Just like that, yes. :-)  I always liked evolution just-so stories. I 
> think those are exactly the sorts of things that cause people to have a 
> hard time believing it - they sound too much like fables of religion 
> without any backing, and too easy to poke holes in.  Once you know what 
> kinds of evidence evolution actually finds, it makes a lot more sense.

Now I'm wondering... what the heck is a "just so story"?

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Now I'm wondering... what the heck is a "just so story"?

Generally childrens' stories explaining parts of the world as fables. Like, 
"why does the rabbit have long ears and sit up?"  The story goes that some 
mother-nature figure caught the bunny spying on her one time, so made it so 
he had to sit up straight when he stopped, but gave him long ears so he 
could hear anyway, or some such.

Sort of like Aesop's fables, only explaining the world rather than morals.

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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> andrel wrote:
>
> > But don't take my word for it, ask one of the ladies here.
>
> OK ladies, wadayathink...?

O.K. here is my take on the situation. I started wearing skirts in my late
teens, only on special occasions though (mostly to impress you guys). Until
then I was wearing jeans, except on Christmas when they forced me to wear a
dress. In a very young age, I typically wore those tight pants (with an elastic
band under my foot, sixties style). We never had to wear school uniforms, but as
far as I remember all the girls wore trousers at school.

I purchased my very first pink top about two years ago (they ran out of black,
red and green ones in the shop and I needed one quickly). Then I realized I
liked the color so I bought another this year.

Occasionally I wear high heels, but only because I´m not too tall... a real
curse as these shoes are usually extremely painful to wear in the long run.

Guess different countries have different traditions, but lately this has been
changing up here in Iceland. Now you see girls dressed up princess style. Very
weird, must be some outside influence. Not very practical in the cold.

Hildur K.

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And lo On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:17:29 -0000, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom>  
did spake thusly:

> Phil Cook v2 wrote:
>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2007/aug/25/genderissues
>
> Just like that, yes. :-)  I always liked evolution just-so stories. I  
> think those are exactly the sorts of things that cause people to have a  
> hard time believing it - they sound too much like fables of religion  
> without any backing, and too easy to poke holes in.  Once you know what  
> kinds of evidence evolution actually finds, it makes a lot more sense.

Trouble is I can see these guys sitting around having a conversation like  
this:

"So everyone likes blue, but women are drawn to red; why?"
"Um, the sky's blue"
"Yes excellent and everyone knows a blue sky is a good thing"
"Unless it's really cold, or you want it to rain or..."
"Shut-up! Blue is always good. Now what about red why just for women?"
"Men were hunters"
"Yes that's it men were hunters, women foragers they gathered the berries  
which were better when red."
"So why don't we all eat holly seeds?"
"Will you shut-up. Blue for sky red for berries. Time to publish methinks"

-- 
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On 07-Jan-09 4:45, Hildur K. wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> andrel wrote:
>>
>>> But don't take my word for it, ask one of the ladies here.
>> OK ladies, wadayathink...?
> 
> O.K. here is my take on the situation. 

[]
> 
> Hildur K.
> 
Didn't realize Hildur was a female. Probably also not really relevant 
here. ;) I'll try to forget as soon as possible.
Anyway the implied question was if you think there are things a guy can 
wear that would make you turn your head in a positive way.

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Darren New wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> Now I'm wondering... what the heck is a "just so story"?
> 
> Generally childrens' stories explaining parts of the world as fables. 
> Like, "why does the rabbit have long ears and sit up?"  The story goes 
> that some mother-nature figure caught the bunny spying on her one time, 
> so made it so he had to sit up straight when he stopped, but gave him 
> long ears so he could hear anyway, or some such.

My God... Is there anything Wikipedia doesn't talk about?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-so_story

So it's a story that fits the evidence, but is completely unprovable. (?)

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Invisible wrote:
> So it's a story that fits the evidence, but is completely unprovable. (?)

Well, that's what it means here. But Kipling's stories are the canonical 
source of the expression "Just So story". I suspect perhaps Kipling had 
children or grandchildren who just wouldn't STFU and kept asking Why Why 
Why, until he started making up stories.  (And yes, that too is a JSS ;-)

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On 08-Jan-09 15:47, Invisible wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> Now I'm wondering... what the heck is a "just so story"?
>>
>> Generally childrens' stories explaining parts of the world as fables. 
>> Like, "why does the rabbit have long ears and sit up?"  The story goes 
>> that some mother-nature figure caught the bunny spying on her one 
>> time, so made it so he had to sit up straight when he stopped, but 
>> gave him long ears so he could hear anyway, or some such.
> 
> My God... Is there anything Wikipedia doesn't talk about?

I think I am not mentioned anywhere. ;)

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