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From: Darren New
Subject: Three Vista annoyances so far
Date: 2 Jan 2009 19:50:00
Message: <495eb638@news.povray.org>
1) I can't figure out, when you're viewing the contents of a directory in 
explorer, you can right-click on the directory itself conveniently. This 
changed between 98 and 2000, 2000 and xp, and now between xp and vista, and 
this time they seem to have done an *excellent* job of hiding it away.

2) If you're copying between computers with RDP, and you are half way thru 
copying a big directory outwards, and you select a different directory and 
pick edit->copy, it stops copying the directory you were copying. I'm pretty 
sure you used to be able to paste two copies at once on XP. In any case, 
that's rather annoying.

3) If you open a directory, then right-click on something, it doesn't always 
give you the menu for the thing you clicked on. You actually have to hover 
long enough for the item to select before right-click will give you the 
right menu. I.e., right-click doesn't select what you're clicking on. Duh.

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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Three Vista annoyances so far
Date: 4 Jan 2009 22:30:44
Message: <49617ee4$1@news.povray.org>
Number four:

Sometimes you click on something, and it takes a moment to start, and you 
aren't sure whether what you did worked, you don't always get your 
hourglass-style cursor. The only way to tell if the dialog is busy sometimes 
is to move the cursor over a button and see if you get the little blue 
highlight on it fading in and out.  I can't tell you how often I've clicked 
on the wrong thing because the click got accepted the first time and it just 
didn't respond for a few seconds.

The number of times Vista lets the focus get stolen is annoying too. XP was 
real good at that, and I understand Vista tries to prevent pop-unders or 
something by not letting you *not* steal the focus. Seems like the wrong 
answer, to me.

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   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   Why is there a chainsaw in DOOM?
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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Three Vista annoyances so far
Date: 4 Jan 2009 23:05:01
Message: <web.496185d1a841313ae44542980@news.povray.org>
Don't worry.  Microsoft is busy to sell you W7 still this year after the Vista
FAIL.

Here's my number-one ("advanced", so to speak) user complaint:  how do I get to
that damned address bar in Explorer and IE (well, they are really the same)
with the keyboard?  Previously, I would type CTRL+E and be there.

Yes, I know CTRL+L or CTRL+O will open a location dialog with full address
completion and all.  But I don't like dialogs, specially that hideous old
search that keeps getting in the way... more than that, the previous shortcut
worked perfectly fine, why drop it?


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Three Vista annoyances so far
Date: 5 Jan 2009 00:05:40
Message: <49619524$1@news.povray.org>
nemesis wrote:
> Here's my number-one ("advanced", so to speak) user complaint:  how do I get to
> that damned address bar in Explorer and IE (well, they are really the same)
> with the keyboard?  Previously, I would type CTRL+E and be there.

According to
http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-us/help/2503b91d-d780-4c80-8f08-2f48878dc5661033.mspx
(thank you google) it's F4 now. Is that what you mean?

I don't use IE except when absolutely necessary, so give that a go and see 
if it works for you.  HTH!

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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Three Vista annoyances so far
Date: 5 Jan 2009 00:09:38
Message: <49619612$1@news.povray.org>
nemesis wrote:
> Here's my number-one ("advanced", so to speak) user complaint:  how do I get to
> that damned address bar in Explorer and IE (well, they are really the same)
> with the keyboard?  Previously, I would type CTRL+E and be there.

And a link off that page says something about ALT+D being "select the text 
in the address bar" for IE. Try one or the other, and retrain your fingers. ;-)

(I'm mildly annoyed that neither KDE nor GNOME default to opening the menu 
when you hit the Windows key. It would seem that adding that functionality 
would make it friendlier to Windows users, given that I don't think the 
Windows key is used for anything at all in either of those desktops.)

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   Why is there a chainsaw in DOOM?
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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Three Vista annoyances so far
Date: 5 Jan 2009 01:15:00
Message: <web.4961a4b2a841313ae44542980@news.povray.org>
Holy cow!  It's true!  Well, one less gripe to go.  I don't use IE much either,
but it' annoying to point the mouse to the address bar anytime I wanna go
somewhere like \\uranus\this\deep\down...


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Three Vista annoyances so far
Date: 5 Jan 2009 01:20:00
Message: <web.4961a5a6a841313ae44542980@news.povray.org>
Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> (I'm mildly annoyed that neither KDE nor GNOME default to opening the menu
> when you hit the Windows key. It would seem that adding that functionality
> would make it friendlier to Windows users, given that I don't think the
> Windows key is used for anything at all in either of those desktops.)

Yes, it's the most useless of all keys, as much as Scroll lock perhaps! ;)


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Three Vista annoyances so far
Date: 5 Jan 2009 01:39:18
Message: <4961ab16$1@news.povray.org>
nemesis wrote:
> Yes, it's the most useless of all keys, as much as Scroll lock perhaps! ;)

I've actually used scroll lock on occasion. It's sysreq I've never had to 
use. :-)  That looked more like a function in search of a problem, to me. 
Multi-task switching functionality hardcoded into the keyboard, immediately 
followed by the release of Windows. Ouch. :-)

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From: Phil Cook v2
Subject: Re: Three Vista annoyances so far
Date: 5 Jan 2009 04:35:50
Message: <op.um92a1vfmn4jds@phils.mshome.net>
And lo On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 05:09:37 -0000, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom>  
did spake thusly:

> And a link off that page says something about ALT+D being "select the  
> text in the address bar" for IE. Try one or the other, and retrain your  
> fingers. ;-)

Same for Firefox too, which is handy trick to know.

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From: Eero Ahonen
Subject: Re: Three Vista annoyances so far
Date: 5 Jan 2009 12:52:07
Message: <496248c7@news.povray.org>
Darren New wrote:
> 
> The number of times Vista lets the focus get stolen is annoying too. XP
> was real good at that, and I understand Vista tries to prevent
> pop-unders or something by not letting you *not* steal the focus. Seems
> like the wrong answer, to me.
> 

That one of the most annoying things with XP. Focus stealing, I mean.
It's not even rare that I'm writing something (at work), *some* pop-up
comes up and I have no idea what it said, since I just hit enter or
spacebar. IMO only the critical messages from OS should appear like that
and have OK-button disabled for 5 secs oslt, so they could be even
noticed before hitting enter. Of course configurability would be optimal
choice - let everyone choose what level of focus stealing they want.

-Aero


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From: Eero Ahonen
Subject: Re: Three Vista annoyances so far
Date: 5 Jan 2009 12:52:45
Message: <496248ed$1@news.povray.org>
nemesis wrote:
>
> search that keeps getting in the way... more than that, the previous shortcut
> worked perfectly fine, why drop it?
> 

Or possibly... make it configurable?

-Aero


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From: Eero Ahonen
Subject: Re: Three Vista annoyances so far
Date: 5 Jan 2009 12:58:15
Message: <49624a37$1@news.povray.org>
Darren New wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
>> Yes, it's the most useless of all keys, as much as Scroll lock
>> perhaps! ;)

Scroll lock is surprisingly useful - many KVM switches use it as the
change button when pressed twice ;).

> I've actually used scroll lock on occasion. It's sysreq I've never had
> to use. :-)  That looked more like a function in search of a problem, to
> me. Multi-task switching functionality hardcoded into the keyboard,
> immediately followed by the release of Windows. Ouch. :-)
> 

Linux has support for Magic SysRq keys. I don't know how deep in they
actually are, but usually if you get the system to a state that'll make
you want to do a hard reset (cutting power), AltGr*+SysRq+S (emergence
Sync) and AltGr+SysRq+B (reBoot) at least seems less cruel way to do things.

*) Yes, it demands AltGr, I just tested - my laptop has SysRq at Fn+Del,
so I need to AltGr+Fn+SysRq+S (in that order) to do the sync.

-Aero


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Three Vista annoyances so far
Date: 5 Jan 2009 13:14:03
Message: <49624deb@news.povray.org>
Eero Ahonen wrote:
> Linux has support for Magic SysRq keys. 

So does Windows. So did DOS. :-) I think you have to be running a debug 
console on the serial port for sysreq to do anything with Windows. But 
basically the keycode does the same sort of magic "this isn't really a 
keycode" that ctl-alt-delete does.

Frighteningly enough, I used to actually know the details of this crap.

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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Three Vista annoyances so far
Date: 5 Jan 2009 13:15:05
Message: <49624e29$1@news.povray.org>
Eero Ahonen wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
>> search that keeps getting in the way... more than that, the previous shortcut
>> worked perfectly fine, why drop it?
> Or possibly... make it configurable?

Make too much stuff configurable, and you wind up with Linux user friendliness.

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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Three Vista annoyances so far
Date: 5 Jan 2009 13:18:09
Message: <49624ee1$1@news.povray.org>
Eero Ahonen wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>> The number of times Vista lets the focus get stolen is annoying too. XP
>> was real good at that, and I understand Vista tries to prevent
>> pop-unders or something by not letting you *not* steal the focus. Seems
>> like the wrong answer, to me.
>>
> 
> That one of the most annoying things with XP. Focus stealing, I mean.

Except you can turn that off at the window manager level, and it works 
almost 100% of the time.  With Vista, it works mainly when you didn't want 
it to work in the first place, somehow.

> IMO only the critical messages from OS should appear like that
> and have OK-button disabled for 5 secs oslt, so they could be even
> noticed before hitting enter.

Yeah, firefox does this pretty well.

> Of course configurability would be optimal
> choice - let everyone choose what level of focus stealing they want.

It's ... already there. :-) There's even a parameter that says "if I haven't 
typed in this many seconds, let apps steal the focus."

You might want to download TweakUI from Microsoft and look at all the stuff 
it makes easy to configure.

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   Why is there a chainsaw in DOOM?
   There aren't any trees on Mars.


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From: Eero Ahonen
Subject: Re: Three Vista annoyances so far
Date: 5 Jan 2009 13:24:40
Message: <49625068$1@news.povray.org>
Darren New wrote:
> 
> Except you can turn that off at the window manager level, and it works
> almost 100% of the time.  With Vista, it works mainly when you didn't
> want it to work in the first place, somehow.

Ahh, I'll just need to find it. But running has more meaning if I know
there's a goal.

> It's ... already there. :-) There's even a parameter that says "if I
> haven't typed in this many seconds, let apps steal the focus."
> 
> You might want to download TweakUI from Microsoft and look at all the
> stuff it makes easy to configure.

I actually have used it (not sure if my work-laptop has it right now),
but never noticed such a choice. I'll need to check it up on thursday,
thanks.

-Aero


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Three Vista annoyances so far
Date: 5 Jan 2009 14:18:17
Message: <49625cf9$1@news.povray.org>
Eero Ahonen wrote:
> I actually have used it (not sure if my work-laptop has it right now),
> but never noticed such a choice. I'll need to check it up on thursday,
> thanks.

Sure thing. It's labeled something pretty obvious in the left pane, saying 
something about "focus". Just numpad-* at the top of the left pane and 
scroll down until you see it. I don't know exactly what top-level heading 
it's under.

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From: Phil Cook v2
Subject: Re: Three Vista annoyances so far
Date: 6 Jan 2009 09:36:04
Message: <op.uncaufwomn4jds@phils.mshome.net>
And lo On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 00:49:59 -0000, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom>  
did spake thusly:

Not necessarily Vista only, but I've just got annoyed with a laptop  
downloading some AV update conking out because it went to sleep. I thought  
the point was it only did that when it wasn't doing anything; I'd say  
downloading counted as 'something'. Doubly annoying as the laptop's been  
disconnected from the 'net for a month so it's a huge update; and it had  
to restart from scratch.

Oh and yes the other laptop's screensaver still won't kick in when  
connected to a Microsoft mouse despite the 'fix'.

The latest nice bit was installing a 02 3G mobile modem that required UAC  
to be turned off before it'd install, thus requiring two reboots  
bookending the installation.

My current favourite is the resolution of an error from Microsoft  
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950375/en-us/ 'Just ignore it' would have  
been a much shorter entry.

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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Three Vista annoyances so far
Date: 6 Jan 2009 13:09:41
Message: <49639e65@news.povray.org>
Phil Cook v2 wrote:
> And lo On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 00:49:59 -0000, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> 
> did spake thusly:
> 
> Not necessarily Vista only, but I've just got annoyed with a laptop 
> downloading some AV update conking out because it went to sleep. I 
> thought the point was it only did that when it wasn't doing anything; 
> I'd say downloading counted as 'something'.

Well, I think it's not supposed to sleep based on the timer, yes. It's 
usually some set of interrupts that restart the timer (as in, keyboard, 
mouse, disk, and network perhaps?)  Maybe if the download was being buffered 
in memory before being written out, and the network interrupt wasn't 
configured to keep your machine awake for some reason...?

I *do* know they reworked that whole part for Vista due to the complaints of 
programs and drivers needlessly turning off sleep capabilities.  People were 
tired of closing the lid on the laptop, only to open it a few hours later to 
see a dead battery and an "are you sure" dialog box. :-)

> The latest nice bit was installing a 02 3G mobile modem that required 
> UAC to be turned off before it'd install, thus requiring two reboots 
> bookending the installation.

Lots of broken stuff out there isn't the fault of Vista. You *could* have 
just logged in as the administrator in the first place, you know. :-)

> My current favourite is the resolution of an error from Microsoft 
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950375/en-us/ 'Just ignore it' would 
> have been a much shorter entry.

Except that lots of people use Windows in real industrial settings where 
they actually monitor such things, ya know. If you get a pager alert every 
time something fails, "just ignore it" isn't a good answer.

I was amused when I found this one. I don't think you get a clearer answer 
than this:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/824511


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From: Eero Ahonen
Subject: Re: Three Vista annoyances so far
Date: 6 Jan 2009 14:50:52
Message: <4963b61c$1@news.povray.org>
Darren New wrote:
> 
> Make too much stuff configurable, and you wind up with Linux user
> friendliness.
> 

Exactly. That's one of the main reasons I haven't used Windows at home
for years.

-Aero


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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: Three Vista annoyances so far
Date: 7 Jan 2009 15:44:35
Message: <49651433@news.povray.org>
Darren New wrote:
> (I'm mildly annoyed that neither KDE nor GNOME default to opening the menu
> when you hit the Windows key. It would seem that adding that functionality
> would make it friendlier to Windows users, given that I don't think the
> Windows key is used for anything at all in either of those desktops.)

Apparently KDE used to. But then the possible Win + something keyboard
shortcuts caused conflicts with the "Win key alone opens menu", so they
removed it.

No idea why. Windows manages to do both just fine.


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From: Chambers
Subject: Re: Three Vista annoyances so far
Date: 8 Jan 2009 13:18:11
Message: <3C0FDBFA9D5C4AD08CCA0012D6E557D6@HomePC>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darren New [mailto:dne### [at] sanrrcom]
> Except you can turn that off at the window manager level, and it works
> almost 100% of the time.  With Vista, it works mainly when you didn't
> want
> it to work in the first place, somehow.

Yeah, like apps launched from keyboard shortcuts.  They launch unfocused 
behind the current window, meaning I can't just start using them like I 
used to in XP :(

...Ben Chambers
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From: Chambers
Subject: Re: Three Vista annoyances so far
Date: 8 Jan 2009 13:20:19
Message: <33289A9AB78D4DFFADB8F8DC4D415373@HomePC>
Five: Blocking IO.

Why the he** should everything on my computer freeze up when a scratch is 
encountered on a CD?

...Ben Chambers
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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Three Vista annoyances so far
Date: 8 Jan 2009 13:36:26
Message: <496647aa@news.povray.org>
Chambers wrote:
> Yeah, like apps launched from keyboard shortcuts.

Yeah, or from (say) the calculator button. Or based on a timer, it seems.

Oh, and another flaming annoyance: they now make it difficult to say "I want 
to *view* the picture with the normal preview program, but I want to *edit* 
the picture with (say) photoshop". Apparently, putting this in some advanced 
setting so you don't have to dick with the registry was too difficult.

Now that I know how to run VMs, maybe I'll see if Windows 7 is any good 
before I buy it. :)

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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Three Vista annoyances so far
Date: 8 Jan 2009 13:41:23
Message: <496648d3$1@news.povray.org>
Chambers wrote:
> Five: Blocking IO.
> 
> Why the he** should everything on my computer freeze up when a scratch is 
> encountered on a CD?

I think it's only explorer that locks up. Other programs keep running, as 
long as they're not accessing it.  Local disks always cause those sorts of 
lock-ups, because there's no good way to say "open it, but don't wait for it 
to open." It has been a problem in most OSes, including UNIX from at least 
V7 on (they used to distinguish "fast open" from "slow open" devices), and 
including locking up (under WIndows at least) while waiting for a disk to 
spin up from power save, too, for example. I thought Vista was a bit better 
at this, in that you can now specifically cancel out o something like that 
and get control back. You've canceled of course, but Vista lets programs 
abort I/O that they didn't used to be able to abort. (That was one of the 
explicit improvements. Maybe it only applies to network opens, tho?)

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   Why is there a chainsaw in DOOM?
   There aren't any trees on Mars.


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