Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
> Define:
> Paul Pots = Haskell
> Judges from left ... right [C, Java, C++]
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k08yxu57NA&feature=related
>
> Enjoy :)

How fitting... so in the end, users of C, Java and C++ will recognize Haskell's
extraordinary talent for singing operas...

.... I wonder how it'll perform when it comes to pop music though ;)

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On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:38:47 EST, "clipka" <nomail@nomail> wrote:

>How fitting... so in the end, users of C, Java and C++ will recognize Haskell's
>extraordinary talent for singing operas...

I wouldn't say that Paul Pots (unfortunate name) had an extraordinary talent for
singing opera. Good for someone untrained, though.
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     Stephen

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On 19-Dec-08 20:31, Stephen wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:38:47 EST, "clipka" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> 
>> How fitting... so in the end, users of C, Java and C++ will recognize Haskell's
>> extraordinary talent for singing operas...
> 
> I wouldn't say that Paul Pots (unfortunate name) had an extraordinary talent for
> singing opera. Good for someone untrained, though.
He is good, compared to some other great singers he is missing a few 
notes, but that could be improved with more training, I guess.
Two remarks on this kind of shows:
- apparently the judges have never heard a trained voice before. 
Interesting, but not really surprising.
- If you want to find real talent you have a better chance if you take a 
look in a conservatory (or whatever a university level music school is 
called) than on the streets. Still in every country there are 
auditioning TV programs where every fool can get in and the main theme 
is the drama not the talent. I do understand this from a broadcasting 
point of view, but that doesn't mean that I like it.

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On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:19:40 +0100, andrel <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:

>On 19-Dec-08 20:31, Stephen wrote:
>> On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:38:47 EST, "clipka" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
>> 
>>> How fitting... so in the end, users of C, Java and C++ will recognize Haskell's
>>> extraordinary talent for singing operas...
>> 
>> I wouldn't say that Paul Pots (unfortunate name) had an extraordinary talent for
>> singing opera. Good for someone untrained, though.
>He is good, compared to some other great singers he is missing a few 
>notes, but that could be improved with more training, I guess.
>Two remarks on this kind of shows:
>- apparently the judges have never heard a trained voice before. 
>Interesting, but not really surprising.
>- If you want to find real talent you have a better chance if you take a 
>look in a conservatory (or whatever a university level music school is 
>called) than on the streets. Still in every country there are 
>auditioning TV programs where every fool can get in and the main theme 
>is the drama not the talent. I do understand this from a broadcasting 
>point of view, but that doesn't mean that I like it.


I agree with what you say. I think that the audience were reacting to the music
not his voice.

And in the UK we call it a conservatory as well :)
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     Stephen

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andrel wrote:
> - apparently the judges have never heard a trained voice before. 

Simon did noticed the missing high pitch on the final high pitch of Paul 
Pots, Simon downed his eyes to the table. Paul Pots did however almost 
perfect on that final high pitch, he just didn't took breath soon 
enough, but yeah If he was better trained would be a Pavarotti level Tenor.

The raw search they do is like a reality, is from the people to the 
people and I think is good, although not always pleasant, to listen 
street people because as a few in BGT did have talent and was good for 
them that they were discovered not having other way to ever "reach the 
stars".

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On 20-Dec-08 5:42, Saul Luizaga wrote:
> andrel wrote:
>> - apparently the judges have never heard a trained voice before. 
> 
> Simon did noticed the missing high pitch on the final high pitch of Paul 
> Pots, Simon downed his eyes to the table. Paul Pots did however almost 
> perfect on that final high pitch, he just didn't took breath soon 
> enough, but yeah If he was better trained would be a Pavarotti level Tenor.

I think he carefully avoided a couple of other difficult points also. 
OTOH it could be that some of the differences with other performances of 
this song are because the others added a few things. I am not skilled 
enough myself to read the original score.

> The raw search they do is like a reality, is from the people to the 
> people and I think is good, although not always pleasant, to listen 
> street people because as a few in BGT did have talent and was good for 
> them that they were discovered not having other way to ever "reach the 
> stars".

Such reality shows may have value for some. That, however, was not my 
point. The point was that whenever there is a contest of this sort or 
one where they follow the creation of a band or something like that, 
they always try to avoid starting with skilled or talented people. The 
winners tend to be the ones where this failed and accidentally someone 
with talent entered the competition. Good for them, good drama all the 
way, but IMHO not the best way to find talent.

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>> I wouldn't say that Paul Pots (unfortunate name) had an extraordinary 
>> talent for
>> singing opera. Good for someone untrained, though.

Which is maybe a sign that with some training he might become an 
extraordinary talent?

> Two remarks on this kind of shows:
> - apparently the judges have never heard a trained voice before. 
> Interesting, but not really surprising.
> - If you want to find real talent you have a better chance if you take a 
> look in a conservatory (or whatever a university level music school is 
> called) than on the streets.

But they are not looking just for people who can sing, they are looking for 
all-round performers who are going to be able to make the record companies a 
lot of money, not the same thing.

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On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:34:54 +0100, "scott" <sco### [at] scottcom> wrote:

>>> I wouldn't say that Paul Pots (unfortunate name) had an extraordinary 
>>> talent for
>>> singing opera. Good for someone untrained, though.
>
>Which is maybe a sign that with some training he might become an 
>extraordinary talent?
>

True.

>> Two remarks on this kind of shows:
>> - apparently the judges have never heard a trained voice before. 
>> Interesting, but not really surprising.
>> - If you want to find real talent you have a better chance if you take a 
>> look in a conservatory (or whatever a university level music school is 
>> called) than on the streets.
>
>But they are not looking just for people who can sing, they are looking for 
>all-round performers who are going to be able to make the record companies a 
>lot of money, not the same thing.
> 

Again true.
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Regards
     Stephen

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