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From: Invisible
Subject: A vacuous comparison
Date: 16 Dec 2008 09:49:51
Message: <4947c00f$1@news.povray.org>
OK, let's try something...

Click this:

   http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/

Pretty, isn't it?

Now click this:

   http://www.python.org/

Not quite so good, eh?

Now this:

   http://clean.cs.ru.nl/

OK, but nothing fancy.

Now this:

   http://www.erlang.org/

Hmm, not looking so hot now.

Finally, try this:

   http://www.haskell.org/

Highly unfavourable, eh? Looks cheap, amaturish and uninviting.

I guess this is why nobody ever uses Haskell...


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From: scott
Subject: Re: A vacuous comparison
Date: 16 Dec 2008 10:00:42
Message: <4947c29a@news.povray.org>
> OK, let's try something...

Haha I could do the same with the competitors of the company I work for, 
then list our company website (which isn't even <company_name>.com because 
they can't be bothered to pay off some company 10000x smaller that already 
has it).  But sadly I doubt anyone would take any notice.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: A vacuous comparison
Date: 16 Dec 2008 10:02:20
Message: <4947c2fc$1@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:

> Haha I could do the same with the competitors of the company I work for, 
> then list our company website (which isn't even <company_name>.com 
> because they can't be bothered to pay off some company 10000x smaller 
> that already has it).  But sadly I doubt anyone would take any notice.

Ooo... web whores. :-D

"We'll register this DNS name first, and then charge its rightful owners 
10,000,000 USD! We'll be rich! RICH!!"

Kinda like patent trolls...


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: A vacuous comparison
Date: 16 Dec 2008 10:05:07
Message: <4947c3a3@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:

> Haha I could do the same with the competitors of the company I work for, 

Remind me... Who the hell do you work for?


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From: Phil Cook v2
Subject: Re: A vacuous comparison
Date: 16 Dec 2008 10:21:09
Message: <op.ul9gx3wqmn4jds@phils.mshome.net>
And lo On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:01:57 -0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> did  
spake thusly:

> scott wrote:
>
>> Haha I could do the same with the competitors of the company I work  
>> for, then list our company website (which isn't even <company_name>.com  
>> because they can't be bothered to pay off some company 10000x smaller  
>> that already has it).  But sadly I doubt anyone would take any notice.
>
> Ooo... web whores. :-D
>
> "We'll register this DNS name first, and then charge its rightful owners  
> 10,000,000 USD! We'll be rich! RICH!!"
>
> Kinda like patent trolls...

Not necessarily. We've called <name> and have <name>.co.uk, as we're  
international we also took <name>.com. Now another company in Spain is  
also called <name> and do something completely different to us, they  
missed out on the .com and ended up with .com.es. We don't want their name  
and they haven't offered to buy ours from us, we did use to get their  
email from time to time when we had a catchall address though.

-- 
Phil Cook

--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com


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From: scott
Subject: Re: A vacuous comparison
Date: 16 Dec 2008 10:45:03
Message: <4947ccff$1@news.povray.org>
>> Ooo... web whores. :-D
>>
>> "We'll register this DNS name first, and then charge its rightful owners 
>> 10,000,000 USD! We'll be rich! RICH!!"
>>
>> Kinda like patent trolls...
>
> Not necessarily. We've called <name> and have <name>.co.uk, as we're 
> international we also took <name>.com. Now another company in Spain is 
> also called <name> and do something completely different to us, they 
> missed out on the .com and ended up with .com.es. We don't want their name 
> and they haven't offered to buy ours from us, we did use to get their 
> email from time to time when we had a catchall address though.

Our company has offices and factories in pretty much every country 
worldwide, yet the <name>.com belongs to some very small not-for-profit 
company based in the US that works in just one city.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: A vacuous comparison
Date: 16 Dec 2008 10:47:49
Message: <4947cda5@news.povray.org>
And now the Haskell guys are having a contest to design a new logo...


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: A vacuous comparison
Date: 16 Dec 2008 11:00:38
Message: <4947d0a6@news.povray.org>
Invisible escreveu:
> OK, let's try something...
>   http://www.haskell.org/
> 
> Highly unfavourable, eh? Looks cheap, amaturish and uninviting.

Hmm, I always liked it's CSS.  Well, if it shall make you happy, try this:

http://www.alu.org/alu/home

:P

Python and Ruby are targetted at pragmatic people who want to glue 
together many different systems with a hip new-fangled language smelling 
of wet paint.  They know that to grab these people they should use lots 
of flash.

Lisp and Haskell are more like targetting researchers and people who 
love theoretical stuff... ;)


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: A vacuous comparison
Date: 16 Dec 2008 11:01:42
Message: <4947d0e6@news.povray.org>
huahuhua

Great!


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: A vacuous comparison
Date: 16 Dec 2008 11:04:35
Message: <4947d193$1@news.povray.org>
nemesis wrote:
> Invisible escreveu:
>> OK, let's try something...
>>   http://www.haskell.org/
>>
>> Highly unfavourable, eh? Looks cheap, amaturish and uninviting.
> 
> Hmm, I always liked it's CSS.  Well, if it shall make you happy, try this:
> 
> http://www.alu.org/alu/home
> 
> :P

Eww ick! What an ugly shade of green. (And green is my favourit colour!)

> Python and Ruby are targetted at pragmatic people who want to glue 
> together many different systems with a hip new-fangled language smelling 
> of wet paint.  They know that to grab these people they should use lots 
> of flash.
> 
> Lisp and Haskell are more like targetting researchers and people who 
> love theoretical stuff... ;)

Heh. I'd still like to see the Haskell website look as pretty as the 
Ruby one.

But then, Ruby's logo is... a ruby. Python's is two stylised snakes. I'm 
not really sure what Haskell could have here...

Also, the "Hello World is tivial; here it is!" part. We could copy that 
so easily...


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From: Saul Luizaga
Subject: Re: A vacuous comparison
Date: 16 Dec 2008 11:18:14
Message: <4947d4c6$1@news.povray.org>
For me is the BEST language ever made by men. Yeah their site needs 
make-up but comparing with its features cosmetics for me drops to zero 
importance.


In American(USA) slang terms: Haskell is the shit! :D

Sorry if the above was offensive but it puts it the way i feel it.


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: A vacuous comparison
Date: 16 Dec 2008 12:52:23
Message: <4947ead7$1@news.povray.org>
nemesis wrote:
> Lisp and Haskell are more like targetting researchers and people who 
> love theoretical stuff... ;)

And the Erlang people don't really care if you use Erlang. Much like many 
other open source systems, they use it internally and make it available to 
you if you feel like it.  (They don't have a bug-tracker up, because then 
you might be able to see proprietary bugs, for example.)

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   The NFL should go international. I'd pay to
   see the Detroit Lions vs the Roman Catholics.


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: A vacuous comparison
Date: 16 Dec 2008 13:15:00
Message: <web.4947ef9250fa4d3f773c9a3e0@news.povray.org>
Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> you if you feel like it.  (They don't have a bug-tracker up, because then
> you might be able to see proprietary bugs, for example.)

"proprietary bugs" was a finding. :D


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From: Jim Holsenback
Subject: Re: A vacuous comparison
Date: 16 Dec 2008 14:39:06
Message: <494803da$1@news.povray.org>
"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
news:4947d193$1@news.povray.org...
> I'm  not really sure what Haskell could have here...

I know it's a pretty weak idea but all I think about when I hear "Haskell" 
is Wallys' smarmy buddy Eddie!

Jim


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: A vacuous comparison
Date: 16 Dec 2008 15:05:52
Message: <49480a20$1@news.povray.org>
>> I'm  not really sure what Haskell could have here...
> 
> I know it's a pretty weak idea but all I think about when I hear "Haskell" 
> is Wallys' smarmy buddy Eddie!

It's actually named after a person.

That person's name - absurdly enough - was Haskell B. Curry. o_O

They were going to name the language Curry - but they figured the jokes 
would never end. As it is, they failed to realise that Haskell sounds 
just like Pascal (which is also a programming language), and also 
"hassle" and "rascle"...

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: A vacuous comparison
Date: 16 Dec 2008 17:28:20
Message: <49482b84@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
>> Hmm, I always liked it's CSS.  Well, if it shall make you happy, try
>> this:
>> 
>> http://www.alu.org/alu/home
>> 
>> :P
> 
> Eww ick! What an ugly shade of green. (And green is my favourit colour!)

Looks yellow to me.


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From: scott
Subject: Re: A vacuous comparison
Date: 17 Dec 2008 02:59:57
Message: <4948b17d$1@news.povray.org>
>> Haha I could do the same with the competitors of the company I work for,
>
> Remind me... Who the hell do you work for?

A Japanese company that makes LCDs and TVs and stuff.

They don't seem to have the hang of European style marketing yet, and think 
that a website design for a Japanese audience will also work well in Europe. 
Actually I think it's more that the IT systems worldwide are so fragmented 
that each country basically does what it thinks best with their very small 
team of people, and you end up with a load of separate websites that all 
look completely different and nobody sees the need for the .com domain. 
Occasionally someone from Japan sees one of these other websites and makes 
some demands about what should be changed, and you end up with hideous 
looking stuff.

Given that sales last year in Europe alone were several billion pounds, I 
think they should spend some money on getting their online presence 
together, but then that's just me and nobody who makes that sort of decision 
even knows I exist!


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: A vacuous comparison
Date: 17 Dec 2008 04:16:28
Message: <4948c36c$1@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:

>> Remind me... Who the hell do you work for?
> 
> A Japanese company that makes LCDs and TVs and stuff.
> 
> They don't seem to have the hang of European style marketing yet, and 
> think that a website design for a Japanese audience will also work well 
> in Europe. Actually I think it's more that the IT systems worldwide are 
> so fragmented that each country basically does what it thinks best with 
> their very small team of people, and you end up with a load of separate 
> websites that all look completely different and nobody sees the need for 
> the .com domain. Occasionally someone from Japan sees one of these other 
> websites and makes some demands about what should be changed, and you 
> end up with hideous looking stuff.
> 
> Given that sales last year in Europe alone were several billion pounds, 
> I think they should spend some money on getting their online presence 
> together, but then that's just me and nobody who makes that sort of 
> decision even knows I exist!

Sounds familiar... :-S


The company *I* work for has been known by a small handful of different 
acronyms in its time. Apparently "this confuses our customers", so we're 
on a big rebranding kick. We're throwing away all the old names and 
sticking to just one of them from now on. And we've got a shiny new logo 
that consists of that name. (It's actually rather nice, as corporate 
logos go. At least it looks clean and modern now!)

And we're changing our website and our email addresses to match. Oh, 
except it *doesn't* match. It's one of the old acronyms.

Wait... WTF?


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: A vacuous comparison
Date: 22 Dec 2008 06:32:49
Message: <494f7ae1$1@news.povray.org>
nemesis wrote:
> huahuhua
> 
> Great!

Actually, my favourit so far is this...

http://media.nokrev.com/junk/haskell-logos/logo7.png

It looks a tad harsh, but the genius of it is that it's 5 straight 
lines. You can render it any way you like, and it's still the logo! :-D

Hell, you can even do this:

  ____   ____
  \   \  \   \
   \   \  \   \
    \   \  \   \   __________
     \   \  \   \  \_________|
      \   \  \   \
      /   /  /    \  ________
     /   /  /      \ \_______|
    /   /  /   /\   \
   /   /  /   /  \   \
  /___/  /___/    \___\

;-)


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From: scott
Subject: Re: A vacuous comparison
Date: 22 Dec 2008 06:45:58
Message: <494f7df6$1@news.povray.org>
> Actually, my favourit so far is this...
> 
> http://media.nokrev.com/junk/haskell-logos/logo7.png
> 
> It looks a tad harsh, but the genius of it is that it's 5 straight 
> lines. You can render it any way you like, and it's still the logo! :-D

It does look nice simple and effective, but put some colour in there!


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: A vacuous comparison
Date: 22 Dec 2008 07:44:11
Message: <494f8b9b$1@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:
>> Actually, my favourit so far is this...
>>
>> http://media.nokrev.com/junk/haskell-logos/logo7.png
>>
>> It looks a tad harsh, but the genius of it is that it's 5 straight 
>> lines. You can render it any way you like, and it's still the logo! :-D
> 
> It does look nice simple and effective, but put some colour in there!

Well, yeah. It's a tad monochrome. And somebody complained that it looks 
too "millitary" with all the sharp angles. But that's just it - it's 
such a simple shape that you can draw it several different ways, and 
it's still the same symbol. So you can experiment with assorted colours, 
line styles, curves, etc. But I think the *shape* itself is a good idea. ;-)

And then some other dude goes "hey, I don't think we should have a logo 
with a lambda in it, or any other syntactic elements".

Had *you* noticed the lambda in there? Did you realise that the symbol 
is based on the monadic bind operator? Or did it just look like an 
interesting shape to you?


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: A vacuous comparison
Date: 22 Dec 2008 09:22:47
Message: <sj8vk4hl3uu7mq6o7rdm8hi46dpprpe3st@4ax.com>
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:44:07 +0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:

>
>Had *you* noticed the lambda in there? Did you realise that the symbol 
>is based on the monadic bind operator? Or did it just look like an 
>interesting shape to you?

The first thing I thought was "Mu onwards". 
-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Eero Ahonen
Subject: Re: A vacuous comparison
Date: 22 Dec 2008 17:21:04
Message: <495012d0$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:

> It looks a tad harsh, but the genius of it is that it's 5 straight
> lines. You can render it any way you like, and it's still the logo! :-D

The sixth number is six, not five.

-Aero


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