I really can't remember if this movie has been discussed here before
(I do have a faint memory that it might have been, but I can't remember
for sure).

  Anyways, if you haven't seen it, I suggest you go to rent it. Like now.
Don't even bother reading any further, just get up and go rent it.

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Warp wrote:
>   I really can't remember if this movie has been discussed here before
> (I do have a faint memory that it might have been, but I can't remember
> for sure).
> 
>   Anyways, if you haven't seen it, I suggest you go to rent it. Like now.
> Don't even bother reading any further, just get up and go rent it.
> 

I found the movie enjoyable as well.

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Warp wrote:

>   Anyways, if you haven't seen it, I suggest you go to rent it. Like now.
> Don't even bother reading any further, just get up and go rent it.

I do love it when Warp is all brave and impetuous... :-)

In related news... I hadn't realised it was available for rent yet. I'm 
pretty sure last time I went to the cinema they were still trying to get 
you to buy good money to watch it. (Although I guess that was a few 
weeks ago.)

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Yes, I wonderful movie indeed.  When I first hear of Pixar next projects 
concepts I go "huh?".  What to expect from a gourmet mouse or from toys 
coming to life?  Yet, they squeeze greatness out of it, in huge doses...

CG is top notch too, as always...

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nemesis wrote:

> CG is top notch too, as always...

But as the guys at Pixar always say, it's not just the CGI, it's the 
story. It always has to be about the story.

Consider A Bug's Life, and its clone, Antz. In absolute fairness, not 
much difference between them from a technical standpoint. But in terms 
of entertainment...? Well... Antz is *almost* a good movie. It seems to 
have most of the right stuff. But... for some reason, it's *not* a good 
movie. It's a mediocre movie. I'm not sure why, but it just doesn't work 
very well.

Still, better than anything I'll ever produce, so maybe I should just 
shut up and let my PC finish rendering Lissajous curves...

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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:46:10 +0000, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

> Warp wrote:
> 
>>   Anyways, if you haven't seen it, I suggest you go to rent it. Like
>>   now.
>> Don't even bother reading any further, just get up and go rent it.
> 
> I do love it when Warp is all brave and impetuous... :-)
> 
> In related news... I hadn't realised it was available for rent yet. I'm
> pretty sure last time I went to the cinema they were still trying to get
> you to buy good money to watch it. (Although I guess that was a few
> weeks ago.)

I just picked a copy up to give to my wife for Christmas. :-)

Jim

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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:07:24 +0000, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

> But as the guys at Pixar always say, it's not just the CGI, it's the
> story. It always has to be about the story.

Yes, that's one thing I've always liked about Pixar - the technology is a 
means to tell the story, even with Luxo Jr. that was the case.  The story 
there wasn't overly involved, but it's that the movie is about the 
characters - that's what makes it enjoyable for me to go see them.

Jim

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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> nemesis wrote:

> > CG is top notch too, as always...

> But as the guys at Pixar always say, it's not just the CGI, it's the 
> story. It always has to be about the story.

  Even though feature-length CGI movies are enjoyable, it's always the
short movies with no talking which are the most hilarious and most
evocative.

  WALL-E does the latter in a feature-length movie (although it's not
completely a silent film). Somehow expressions and postures work a lot
better than words.

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Consider A Bug's Life, and its clone, Antz. 

Oddly enough, I found Bug's Life rather trite and childish and obvious, 
while Antz was highly enjoyable. (I also believe Bug's Life was out 
sufficiently later than Antz that you'd have a hard time calling Antz the 
clone.)

I'm not much into Woody Allen, but Antz was definitely one of his 
not-too-excruciating movies. :-)

My favorite bit was the worker ants shouting communist slogans.

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Warp wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> nemesis wrote:
> 
>>> CG is top notch too, as always...
> 
>> But as the guys at Pixar always say, it's not just the CGI, it's the 
>> story. It always has to be about the story.
> 
>   Even though feature-length CGI movies are enjoyable, it's always the
> short movies with no talking which are the most hilarious and most
> evocative.
> 
>   WALL-E does the latter in a feature-length movie (although it's not
> completely a silent film). Somehow expressions and postures work a lot
> better than words.
> 
I took my 6 year old son to see WALL-E at a smallish local cinema.  He 
liked it but got more enjoyment from the short before it - 'The Magician' ?

When my wife went to see it at a 'big' cinema chain they didn't show the 
short.

Does anybody know whether the DVD release will include the short ?

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On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:31:35 +1100, Paul Fuller wrote:

> Does anybody know whether the DVD release will include the short ?

I've never known Pixar to leave the short out - I can check when I get 
home and see if it's there.  I'd ask my wife to look, but the disc is for 
her. :-)

Jim

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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
>
> > CG is top notch too, as always...
>
> But as the guys at Pixar always say, it's not just the CGI, it's the
> story. It always has to be about the story.

That's why I put the brilliant CG as just a side note.

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Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
>   Even though feature-length CGI movies are enjoyable, it's always the
> short movies with no talking which are the most hilarious and most
> evocative.

Yes, Presto is amazing too! :D

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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> > Consider A Bug's Life, and its clone, Antz.
>
> Oddly enough, I found Bug's Life rather trite and childish and obvious,
> while Antz was highly enjoyable. (I also believe Bug's Life was out
> sufficiently later than Antz that you'd have a hard time calling Antz the
> clone.)

Indeed I too apreciated Antz much better.  One of those few "huh?" Pixar
moments... :)

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Paul Fuller <pgf### [at] optusnetcomau> wrote:
> I took my 6 year old son to see WALL-E at a smallish local cinema.  He
> liked it but got more enjoyment from the short before it - 'The Magician' ?

Presto!

My 5-year-old daughter didn't like Wall-e very much.  Nor ET, which I watched
with her on DVD.  She just doesn't enjoy sad stuff, not even music in minor
tones.  Guess I shouldn't show her Bambi either. :P

> Does anybody know whether the DVD release will include the short ?

Yes, Pixar always does it.  It's the whole package! :D

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nemesis wrote:
> Indeed I too apreciated Antz much better.  One of those few "huh?" Pixar
> moments... :)

My duh. I thought Antz was the one by Pixar. Ignore my rant.

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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
> > Indeed I too apreciated Antz much better.  One of those few "huh?" Pixar
> > moments... :)
>
> My duh. I thought Antz was the one by Pixar. Ignore my rant.

mwahahaha

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Yeah a master peace, I bought the movie like 2-3 months ago, but I might 
go and see it one more time :)

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>  I'd ask my wife to look, but the disc is for her. :-)

  You have managed to do what I haven't Jim. And there are very few days 
left!

    'Doomed' is the word... :o/

      ~Steve~



>
> Jim

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:31:35 +1100, Paul Fuller wrote:
> 
>> Does anybody know whether the DVD release will include the short ?
> 
> I've never known Pixar to leave the short out - I can check when I get 
> home and see if it's there.  I'd ask my wife to look, but the disc is for 
> her. :-)
> 
> Jim

Good.  Something to look forward to.

Cheers

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Warp wrote:
>   I really can't remember if this movie has been discussed here before
> (I do have a faint memory that it might have been, but I can't remember
> for sure).
> 
>   Anyways, if you haven't seen it, I suggest you go to rent it. Like now.
> Don't even bother reading any further, just get up and go rent it.

	Overall story was good, but not great. However, the cuteness of Wall-E
made up for all of that.

	I don't think anyone mentioned this, but when I saw the trailer, I
couldn't help thinking of the first Wallace & Grommit short.

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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:33:51 -0500, Jim Henderson wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:31:35 +1100, Paul Fuller wrote:
> 
>> Does anybody know whether the DVD release will include the short ?
> 
> I've never known Pixar to leave the short out - I can check when I get
> home and see if it's there.  I'd ask my wife to look, but the disc is
> for her. :-)

Confirmed, the disc includes a short called "Presto", sounds like the 
one. :-)

Jim

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On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 01:43:16 +0000, St. wrote:

> "Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message
> news:4946e95f@news.povray.org...
> 
>>  I'd ask my wife to look, but the disc is for her. :-)
> 
>   You have managed to do what I haven't Jim. And there are very few days
> left!
> 
>     'Doomed' is the word... :o/
> 
>       ~Steve~

Christmas was easy.  She was even in the store with me while I shopped - 
but she doesn't know what I bought.

Her birthday is also the same week (the 27th, same as my younger 
brother's, coincidentally - but a 9 years difference), and that's going 
to be trickier.  I've worked out what to get her, but it is mail order 
from a specialty shop and she knows the name.  That makes shipping a bit 
tricky.

Jim

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Mueen Nawaz wrote:
> 	Overall story was good, but not great. 

Is it even possible to make a children's movie that isn't going to seem 
fairly trite to an adult?  I'll settle for novel, myself. :-)

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Warp wrote:
>   Anyways, if you haven't seen it, I suggest you go to rent it. Like now.

It says this comes with the disk.
http://www.snotr.com/video/1927

CAUTION! CONTAINS SPOILERS!

If you haven't seen the movie, you might want to defer watching this.


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>  Anyways, if you haven't seen it, I suggest you go to rent it. Like now.
> Don't even bother reading any further, just get up and go rent it.

I bought it a couple of weeks back and watched it for the first time at the 
weekend.  I must admit that I found several earlier Pixar films more 
enjoyable to watch.  I don't know whether I will feel like watching Wall-E 
again, but have seen Cars, Ratatouille, The Incredibles and Finding Nemo 
several times each and wouldn't say no to watching those ones again.

I don't know what it was about the film that didn't do it for me, it just 
didn't seem as "clever" as earlier films, or maybe I just didn't get a lot 
of the content.  The overall concept of the story was good, I just think 
they could have done a bit more with it.  The first part was pretty boring 
before they got into space, I don't know maybe if they had given Wall-E and 
Eve more dialogue it could have been interesting?

From a purely CG viewpoint, excellent though.  There was one nit-pick I had 
during the film but I forgot it afterwards so it can't have been that bad 
:-)

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> I took my 6 year old son to see WALL-E at a smallish local cinema.  He 
> liked it but got more enjoyment from the short before it - 'The Magician' 
> ?
>
> When my wife went to see it at a 'big' cinema chain they didn't show the 
> short.
>
> Does anybody know whether the DVD release will include the short ?

The UK English bluray version I got had that short on it.  Pretty clever, 
wait until the next one that will involve a hat that is a time machine :-)

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Darren New wrote:
> Warp wrote:
>>   Anyways, if you haven't seen it, I suggest you go to rent it. Like now.
> 
> It says this comes with the disk.
> http://www.snotr.com/video/1927
> 
> CAUTION! CONTAINS SPOILERS!
> 
> If you haven't seen the movie, you might want to defer watching this.
> 
> 

Now I'll have to watch the main feature again carefully to see if you 
can spot the sub-story in the background where they cross tracks.

Very clever.

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Jim Henderson escreveu:
> Confirmed, the disc includes a short called "Presto", sounds like the 
> one. :-)

http://features.cgsociety.org/story_custom.php?story_id=4809

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Darren New escreveu:
> Is it even possible to make a children's movie that isn't going to seem 
> fairly trite to an adult?  I'll settle for novel, myself. :-)

Have you watched it?

Children are likely to be pretty bored and clueless the whole first 
(mute) half of the movie -- its crowning jewel really.  My daughter was. 
  After that, some concessions were made to please the little ones, but 
nothing that turn it into suckage.

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scott escreveu:
>  The first part was
> pretty boring before they got into space, I don't know maybe if they had 
> given Wall-E and Eve more dialogue it could have been interesting?

They are worker droids and have no speech!  How about contract some 
voice actors to put some imaginary dialogues on old Chaplin/Keaton 
movies as well?  Perhaps Tom & Jerry could get the same deal too...

I also heard some right-wings were annoyed at the whole post-apocaliptic 
world and environmentalist message... can't please greeks and trojans...

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> They are worker droids and have no speech!

Yeh and neither do cars or rats or ants :-)

It's just not the same as previous Pixar films, I kept waiting for them to 
suddenly realise that each other could speak and then the film would take 
off, and waiting ... and waiting....

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scott escreveu:
>> They are worker droids and have no speech!
> 
> Yeh and neither do cars or rats or ants :-)

But the point is that they behave like simple worker droids in the film, 
rather than antropomorphic american-way-of-life robots of "Robots", the 
old movie from the same creators of Ice Age...

> It's just not the same as previous Pixar films, I kept waiting for them 
> to suddenly realise that each other could speak and then the film would 
> take off, and waiting ... and waiting....

Yes, that's the beauty of it.  Previous Pixar movies were always like: 
american toys way of life, american (well, australian actually) fish way 
of life, american monsters way of life, american super-heroes way of 
life and american cars way of life.  They changed a bit from this old 
passional subject of John Lasseter (that perfectly fit Disney's agenda) 
beginning with Ratattoille and now, Wall-E.

It's a welcome change of pace and I particularly enjoyed that the robots 
were portrayed semi-realistic.  I also liked how much Wall-E's sad, 
battered cameras looked a lot like Woody Allen's sad expression...

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Thanks I have a few laughs, very good short :)

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nemesis wrote:
> Darren New escreveu:
>> Is it even possible to make a children's movie that isn't going to 
>> seem fairly trite to an adult?  I'll settle for novel, myself. :-)
> 
> Have you watched it?

Yes. Actually, I was referring more to things like Bug's Life than Wall-E. I 
didn't see Wall-E as a kid's movie, for exactly the reasons you discussed. 
Far too many inside jokes in the beginning and too big a theme (in terms of 
global disaster) to really seem like something targeted at children.

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scott wrote:
> I don't know what it was about the film that didn't do it for me, 

Did you watch the ones you *did* like on a movie screen, with an audience 
around you?  It can make a tremendous difference, depending on the movie.

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nemesis wrote:
> battered cameras looked a lot like Woody Allen's sad expression...

Yes! Thank you! I've been trying to figure out who Wall-E looked like from 
the first time I saw a movie poster!

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Darren New wrote:
> scott wrote:
>> I don't know what it was about the film that didn't do it for me, 
> 
> Did you watch the ones you *did* like on a movie screen, with an 
> audience around you?  It can make a tremendous difference, depending on 
> the movie.

Haha, I prefer to see films in the big screens, but I also prefer it if 
the rest of the audience are dead quiet, or, if I can possibly manage 
it, absent. I usually find other people far distracting from the film. 
(Not always a problem with big audiences, but I've had far too many 
cinema experiences where the people behind me were treating the place 
like a pub...)

Wall-E is a masterpiece ok, it rocked. :)

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Bill Pragnell wrote:
> Haha, I prefer to see films in the big screens, but I also prefer it if 
> the rest of the audience are dead quiet, or, if I can possibly manage 
> it, absent. I usually find other people far distracting from the film. 

I went to see a vampire movie in the middle of the afternoon on a thursday 
once. It was the least memorable movie I ever saw, because there were 3 
others in the audience.

On the other hand, I saw "The Grudge" and there were dozens of teens down 
near the front who'd obviously seen it several times already and were 
raising hell, and it was still rather disturbing. :-)

And of course, Rocky Horror Picture Show wouldn't be the same without the 
audience.

But I find commedies greatly enhanced by having an audience, which is why 
people put in fake soundtracks on the ones you watch by yourself at home.

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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
> > battered cameras looked a lot like Woody Allen's sad expression...
>
> Yes! Thank you! I've been trying to figure out who Wall-E looked like from
> the first time I saw a movie poster!

They always manage to make their characters look a bit like their voice actors,
but Wall-E doesn't have a voice.  So, I guess they settled on someone iconic
enough... :)

The name also resembles WAlle n... :)

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Darren New wrote:
> Bill Pragnell wrote:
>> Haha, I prefer to see films in the big screens, but I also prefer it 
>> if the rest of the audience are dead quiet, or, if I can possibly 
>> manage it, absent. I usually find other people far distracting from 
>> the film. 
> 
> I went to see a vampire movie in the middle of the afternoon on a 
> thursday once. It was the least memorable movie I ever saw, because 
> there were 3 others in the audience.

I like to focus on a movie. If the guy behind me is nattering on his 
phone and the guy in front is wrestling with a plastic bag, well, it 
really grinds my gears!

> On the other hand, I saw "The Grudge" and there were dozens of teens 
> down near the front who'd obviously seen it several times already and 
> were raising hell, and it was still rather disturbing. :-)

I've not seen the Grudge, but from what I've heard I think I'd be quite 
thankful of the extra noise in that particular case. In fact, I think 
horror movies nullify my previous claim - when I saw 'Identity' I was 
the only person in the screen and it scared the sh*t out of me!

> And of course, Rocky Horror Picture Show wouldn't be the same without 
> the audience.

Well, that's different! Or sing-a-long Sound Of Music for that matter 
(not that I'm likely to rush into that either)

> But I find commedies greatly enhanced by having an audience, which is 
> why people put in fake soundtracks on the ones you watch by yourself at 
> home.

Fair enough. I don't usually bother with pure comedies in the cinema, 
they lose nothing on a small screen and I'm more often disappointed by 
them these days. I'd rather be disappointed by big-budget eye candy 
instead! (SWII:AOTC anyone?)

Yes, I think you're right actually, it depends on the movie. If it's a 
serious drama/thriller I'd prefer my co-viewers to keep it down, but I'm 
not that bothered otherwise. I think the few truly bad experiences jade 
my attitude a little!

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Darren New wrote:
> scott wrote:
>> I don't know what it was about the film that didn't do it for me, 
> 
> Did you watch the ones you *did* like on a movie screen, with an 
> audience around you?  It can make a tremendous difference, depending on 
> the movie.
> 


I think that it depends on the movie.

I've been to some movies where the audience atmosphere helped to make 
the movie really fun.  And when watching the same movie with a different 
audience it fell flat because it was so quiet in the theater.

I do have to agree that at least in most cases having a quiet theater is 
best.


In all cases it is best when the audience is 'with' the movie.
Whatever noises they make is in 'emotion' with the movie.
No crumpling paper noises, no talking.

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Darren New wrote:
> Mueen Nawaz wrote:
>>     Overall story was good, but not great. 
> 
> Is it even possible to make a children's movie that isn't going to seem
> fairly trite to an adult?  I'll settle for novel, myself. :-)

	Yes.

	In terms of story quality, I thought Toy Story and Monsters Inc were
both great.
	
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Mueen Nawaz wrote:
> 	In terms of story quality, I thought Toy Story and Monsters Inc were
> both great.

OK. I guess you can be formulaic without being trite. :-)

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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:36:12 -0500, Jim Henderson wrote:

> Her birthday is also the same week (the 27th, same as my younger
> brother's, coincidentally - but a 9 years difference), and that's going
> to be trickier.  I've worked out what to get her, but it is mail order
> from a specialty shop and she knows the name.  That makes shipping a bit
> tricky.

The retailer made this easier - the item's out of stock, they can't ship 
until January.

Jim

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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:39:24 -0800, Darren New wrote:

> Mueen Nawaz wrote:
>> 	Overall story was good, but not great.
> 
> Is it even possible to make a children's movie that isn't going to seem
> fairly trite to an adult?  

I've seen a few that worked well that way - though at the moment I'm 
having a bit of a memory access issue and can't come up with the name of 
one.

But basically it's kinda like something like Animaniacs - the humour has 
a tinge of double-entendre to it - the jokes have dual meanings (not all 
of the dual meanings are of an "adult" nature, but require a greater 
understanding/experience of the world than a kid is likely to have).  
We've been watching a bit of the first series of Animaniacs, and have 
found this to be the case.  Our son, who just turned 21, has commented on 
this because he watched it as a kid, and he's pulling entirely different 
levels of humour out of it now as an adult.

Jim

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On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:12:07 -0600, Mueen Nawaz wrote:

> 	In terms of story quality, I thought Toy Story and Monsters Inc 
were
> both great.

Agreed, we loved Monsters Inc and watch it fairly regularly.

Jim

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On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:11:12 -0800, Darren New wrote:

> scott wrote:
>> I don't know what it was about the film that didn't do it for me,
> 
> Did you watch the ones you *did* like on a movie screen, with an
> audience around you?  It can make a tremendous difference, depending on
> the movie.

There's a reason we've just purchased a projection system for our TV 
room.  Can't wait for it to get here - Wall-E will probably be one of the 
first on the new screen, followed shortly by our annual LOTR marathon.

Then it'll be time to retire "the monolith", as we call it.

Jim

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Darren New wrote:
> Mueen Nawaz wrote:
>>     Overall story was good, but not great. 
> 
> Is it even possible to make a children's movie that isn't going to seem
> fairly trite to an adult?  I'll settle for novel, myself. :-)

	Also, the Wallace & Grommit shorts come to mind...


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Jim Henderson wrote:
> followed shortly by our annual LOTR marathon.

Annual marathon? Every year you watch them again?

I don't get how people have time to watch so many movies, let alone multiple
times. Or why they'd want to...

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