On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:07:31 -0800, Darren New wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> The language may be, but that doesn't mean the libraries are.  Building
>> cross-platform applications using C# isn't very easy to do if things
>> like Winforms aren't ported to the platforms in question.
> 
> Nah. You put a layer above it that abstracts out the OS-specific
> information. It's no harder to build cross-platform applications in an
> OOP language because of windowing than it is because of different file
> systems. Java managed it. Tcl managed it. Nobody needs to run X on
> Windows to support either of those.

And that may well be what was done, though I do understand it is a 
reimplementation, largely for performance reasons.  But I don't write C# 
code, I just read what Miguel de Icaza writes about it. :-)

Jim

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On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:59:54 -0200, nemesis wrote:

> Jim Henderson escreveu:
>> On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:21:04 -0600, Mueen Nawaz wrote:
>>> 	Why is that unfortunate?
>> 
>> I wondered that as well.  I may not like using Windows, but that
>> doesn't mean that those users should be forced to a particular platform
>> for OSS applications.  That's a Microsoft attitude. <g> <scnr>
> 
> Because they can act all hypocrite and diss free software while also
> taking advantage of it in their closed platform.

That's their prerogative.  <shrug>  Just makes them look dumb.

Jim

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nemesis wrote:
> 
> There's nothing easier in usage than notepad-style editing and yet it
> fails solemnly under heavy text editing conditions.  It's perfect for
> your aunt writing down cookie receipts, not for a programmer editing
> lots of structured source code, doing lots of refactoring, selecting big
> chunks of text, making repetitive actions and jumping up and down
> through large pages of text.

Surprisingly, one of the best *and* easiest editors for Windows is...
Vi-derivative. Non-nerds have been happy to change to WinVI, since it's
easy (as long as they speak English or German) and eg. I use it at work,
since it is pretty good.

http://www.winvi.de/en/

-Aero

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On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:09:55 -0800, Darren New wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> but once you
>> do, those drivers get downloaded and installed automatically.
> 
> For you, maybe.

It's been generally reported to work well for most people.  That it 
failed for you is not - how did you put it, again? ;-)

Jim

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> It's been generally reported to work well for most people.  That it 
> failed for you is not - how did you put it, again? ;-)

Yep. I've already admitted my Linux experience seems cursed. On the other 
hand, the number of "Works for me!" types of replies to complaints are legend.

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   The NFL should go international. I'd pay to
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Darren New escreveu:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> It's been generally reported to work well for most people.  That it 
>> failed for you is not - how did you put it, again? ;-)
> 
> Yep. I've already admitted my Linux experience seems cursed. On the 
> other hand, the number of "Works for me!" types of replies to complaints 
> are legend.

It's not hard to understand:  works for some, doesn't others, specially 
the ones who wish it worked like Windows and with windows-only hardware 
in a breeze, rather than learn it and its limitations and 
compatibilities before buying new hardware.

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On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:12:05 -0800, Darren New wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> It's been generally reported to work well for most people.  That it
>> failed for you is not - how did you put it, again? ;-)
> 
> Yep. I've already admitted my Linux experience seems cursed. On the
> other hand, the number of "Works for me!" types of replies to complaints
> are legend.

Yeah, there are enough idiots regardless of OS to go around.  I may say 
"works for me", but in a discussion about how to get it to work, that's 
not the only thing I'll say - I'll also ask some questions to help 
troubleshoot the problem.

Jim

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Darren New wrote:
>> automatically updates the groceries and clothes account to reflect this.
> 
> But then do you have a "trash" account for when you throw the clothes
> away again? If not, it's still single-entry bookkeeping. :-)

	Hmm...I'm sure it can be simulated: Just create another account called
Trash.

	You have a checking account with $1000. You buy clothes for $50. Your
checking account now shows $950. Your clothes now shows $50. If you want
to throw those clothes away and really want that to be reflected in the
clothes account, then create a transaction transfering $50 from clothes
to trash. Clothes is now back to $0, and trash says $50, but you can
ignore that. It has a way to handle money coming in from nowhere (e.g.
someone giving you money), so I'm sure you can throw away some as well...
	
>>     Not sure what you mean by different files. 
> 
> You can't have the same account in both a single-entry system and a
> double-entry system, is all I meant. I was clarifying that I didn't want
> it to do single-entry and double-entry bookkeeping at the same time.

	I think they just call it double entry bookkeeping to do it the way I
described. Money has to be debited from one account, and credited into
another.

>>     I know they have some download capabilities from banks. I somehow
>> doubt
>> it's as convenient as Quicken et. al. You can try it.
> 
> OK.  We get account statements with hundreds of lines of stuff on it
> each month, which would be ... tedious to enter by hand. It's already
> tedious just fixing the stuff that the format isn't designed to handle,
> like stock ticker names changing.

	You'll have to try it yourself - I've never done downloading via any
software. I just have two bank accounts + a few CC accounts. I input the
stuff into gnucash when I make my purchases, and validate them when I
get my paper statement.

>>     Export to tax software - what format does it expect it in? It has no
>> custom feature for this - just a generic export command.
> 
> There are some fairly standard formats for this, at least in the USA.
> Basically, the file says "add $X to line Y of form Z".

	I quite doubt it can interface with any tax software. The best case is
if the tax software can import some format that gnucash can output.
Don't hold your breath, though.

> When Intuit finishes pissing me off, I'll go read up on gnucash,
> assuming their documentation doesn't suck.

	Do note that I brought gnucash into the thread as a complaint, not as a
recommendation.<G>

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Mueen Nawaz wrote:
> 	You have a checking account with $1000.

And where did *that* come from?

> It has a way to handle money coming in from nowhere (e.g.
> someone giving you money), so I'm sure you can throw away some as well...

Not in double-entry bookkeeping.  If someone gives you money, it comes from 
the "we owe that person money" account. :-)
	
> 	I think they just call it double entry bookkeeping to do it the way I
> described. Money has to be debited from one account, and credited into
> another.

OK. That's double-entry.

> 	Do note that I brought gnucash into the thread as a complaint, not as a
> recommendation.<G>

Heh. Noted.

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   The NFL should go international. I'd pay to
   see the Detroit Lions vs the Roman Catholics.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Henderson [mailto:nos### [at] nospamcom]
> What's the most recent you tried?

Fedora, sometime in the last year.

...Ben Chambers
www.pacificwebguy.com

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