On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:55:32 -0400, Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] netscapenet> wrote:

>Stephen wrote:
>> On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:25:44 -0400, Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
>> 
>>> Once u understand how short can sentences be just by adding "u" instead 
>>> of "you" and other abbreviations u read faster and u write faster BUT 
>>> NO, u can't simply make a small mental effort and take it as an internet 
>>> slang and  get use to it, if not imitate it... is all the same, our 
>>> newsgroup, our way, or the highway... fine, so be it. Bye.
>> 
>> To a native English speaker it makes you sound juvenile or ignorant. Also other
>> people do not read your text faster.
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7775013.stm
>> Hrd 2 rd
>"It's just another form of the Queen's English - not better, not worse,"
>

LOL now you sound only juvenile. 
Do you know what the "queen's English" means, nowadays?

>Once u get use to it u read a lot faster, but here most ppl presume of 
>making intellectual milestones writing or discovering intellectual 
>interesting stuff and mostly as a show-off of their mental capacity but 
>a small challenge and bam! oh is too hard... OK...

BTW "u" is Dutch and ppl means Private Pilot License or Preferred Parts List
amongst other things.

I will most humbly take my leave of you. You cannot, sir, take from me anything
that I will not more willingly part withal.
(Kings English)
-- 

Regards
     Stephen

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On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:46:57 -0200, Nicolas Alvarez <nic### [at] gmailcom>
wrote:

>
>I had to copy his message to a text editor and do s/u/you/ and other
>replacements...

Not worh it IMO ;)
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Regards
     Stephen

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On 14-Dec-08 16:46, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> Stephen wrote:
>> On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:25:44 -0400, Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] netscapenet>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Once u understand how short can sentences be just by adding "u" instead
>>> of "you" and other abbreviations u read faster and u write faster BUT
>>> NO, u can't simply make a small mental effort and take it as an internet
>>> slang and  get use to it, if not imitate it... is all the same, our
>>> newsgroup, our way, or the highway... fine, so be it. Bye.
>> To a native English speaker it makes you sound juvenile or ignorant. Also
>> other people do not read your text faster.
> 
> I had to copy his message to a text editor and do s/u/you/ and other
> replacements...
> 
Something like: "Once you younderstand how short sentences can be jyoust 
by adding "you" instead of "yoyou" and other abbreviations. You read 
faster and you write faster. BYOUT NO, you can't simply make a small 
mental effort and take it as an internet slang and get yoused to it, if 
not imitate it... It is all the same to me, oyour newsgroyoup, oyour 
way, or the highway... fine, so be it. Bye."?
I think Saul's original text was more readable.

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On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:04:21 +0100, andrel <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:

>Something like: "Once you younderstand how short sentences can be jyoust 
>by adding "you" instead of "yoyou" and other abbreviations. You read 
>faster and you write faster. BYOUT NO, you can't simply make a small 
>mental effort and take it as an internet slang and get yoused to it, if 
>not imitate it... It is all the same to me, oyour newsgroyoup, oyour 
>way, or the highway... fine, so be it. Bye."?

I read it thus:
Once you get used to it you (can) read a lot faster, but here, most people
presume to make or write intellectual (of their) achievements. They do this
mostly to show off their mental capacity. But ask them (to do) a small challenge
and bam! (It) is too hard.

Now as someone who has battled with dyslexia I find it insulting to be spoken to
like that. Also on an international newsgroup it is only polite to write in a
way that you can be understood.

>I think Saul's original text was more readable.

I agree
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Regards
     Stephen

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andrel wrote:
> Something like: "Once you younderstand how short sentences can be jyoust
> by adding "you" instead of "yoyou" and other abbreviations. You read
> faster and you write faster. BYOUT NO, you can't simply make a small
> mental effort and take it as an internet slang and get yoused to it, if
> not imitate it... It is all the same to me, oyour newsgroyoup, oyour
> way, or the highway... fine, so be it. Bye."?
> I think Saul's original text was more readable.

I actually used s/\<u\>/you/ in vim, so it matched word boundaries.

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On 14-Dec-08 18:27, Stephen wrote:

> 
> Now as someone who has battled with dyslexia I find it insulting to be spoken to
> like that. Also on an international newsgroup it is only polite to write in a
> way that you can be understood.
> 

I can see your point, but the group is not only international, it is 
also intercultural. You'd be amazed what is considered normal spelling 
in some subcultures. Indeed we have had worse examples of 1337 here. If 
I were you I would not bother too much. Kids will always want to show 
that they are part of some interesting cultural development. I did it 
when I was young, you probably did it too, though in our cases it was 
not language that was the victim. It'll rub off when they get older 
generally (or it becomes standard spelling).

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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> 
> I had to copy his message to a text editor and do s/u/you/ and other
> replacements...
> 

U cnt do tht. U need 2 do s/\ u\ /\ you\ /g, since othr words can have u
 in the mddle of thm.

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Eero Ahonen wrote:
> 
> U cnt do tht. U need 2 do s/\ u\ /\ you\ /g, since othr words can have u
>  in the mddle of thm.

I'll add a disclaimer here. I haven't read the whole thread, but I
personally didn't see Saul's text unreadable.

OTOH, I don't see how it could be faster readable, while the length of
the word practically effects only long and hard words - practically (at
least for me) it takes the same time to read u or you in the middle of
text - I just understand you faster. Today it's not a big issue (at
least for me), but I can imagine back when sending a kilobyte took over
3 seconds and storage really costed some money saving bits and bytes was
a bigger issue. Y2k -problem proved it (if it hadn't been a big issue,
there wouldn't have been such a problem).

-Aero

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OK, I'm answering everyone in this post:
I may sound juvenile because I wrote a lot in a juvenile game forum and 
Stephen what I was quoting was from the article u offered a link to, so 
I don't see why it sounded juvenile. I had no problem at all on that 
forum trying to understand the posts since is only a simple case on word 
abbreviations by replacing them for their phonetics proxys.

Also I can't believe somebody actually got insulted by this type of 
abbreviations, I actually don't see the logic of the "insult". Was my 
post saying: you are dumb because you who have fought dyslexia can't 
read it? If so, I never even got close to mention dyslexia people, I 
only meant that some people here do intellectual achievements by 
publishing very mind challenging posts to show off themselves as a true 
purpose so I found ridiculous that people here complained about a simple 
mental replacement. Anyway, I don't meant that the people that 
complaining about it is the same that made those show offs, I think was 
a mistake on my part to assume that everyone here would be able to 
understand me, since I assume smart people don't have a problem with 
this kind Internet slang, let alone knowing some people here had a won 
battle against dyslexia. I apology for the mistake.

Regards.

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Stephen wrote:

> To a native English speaker it makes you sound juvenile or ignorant. Also other
> people do not read your text faster.
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7775013.stm
> Hrd 2 rd

Yep. I generally read people who use those obnoxious 1-2 letter 
abbreviations as being 12-14 .. Which is rather unsettling when it's 
someone you know in real life, and they type like a scriddie ...
-- 
~Mike

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"Nicolas Alvarez" <nic### [at] gmailcom> wrote in message 
news:4941782f@news.povray.org...
> FWIW, I'm more tolerant to some piracy than to people using "u" and "ppl"
> and "coz" repeatedly >.<
>

 Why? It's fine for me. As a non english speaker, Saul has found a way that 
is comfortable for him. Now, take my son, who is an english speaker and read 
the rubbish that he types into his phone -  if you could, that is.

   ~Steve~

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St. wrote:
> the rubbish that he types into his phone

Almost understandable, given you're typing with a 10-key interface into a 
mechanism that gives you two lines of text per message.

(On the other hand, I figure if you need more than two lines, dial the other 
person's phone number and talk to them. ;-)


-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   The NFL should go international. I'd pay to
   see the Detroit Lions vs the Roman Catholics.

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On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:31:53 +0000, Stephen wrote:

>  ppl means Private Pilot License or Preferred Parts
> List amongst other things.

Past Participle. :-)

Jim

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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:42:02 -0800, Darren New wrote:

> St. wrote:
>> the rubbish that he types into his phone
> 
> Almost understandable, given you're typing with a 10-key interface into
> a mechanism that gives you two lines of text per message.
> 
> (On the other hand, I figure if you need more than two lines, dial the
> other person's phone number and talk to them. ;-)

Well, and the "lingo" evolved because the billing used to be "by the 
character", IIRC.

Jim

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> Well, and the "lingo" evolved because the billing used to be "by the
> character", IIRC.

Not really. It's because SMS messages are limited to 160 characters.

Plus, of course, the fact that the less you have to type the better... At
least if you don't have predictive text (T9 and friends).

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On 15-Dec-08 2:35, Saul Luizaga wrote:
> OK, I'm answering everyone in this post:
> I may sound juvenile because I wrote a lot in a juvenile game forum and 
> Stephen what I was quoting was from the article u offered a link to, so 
> I don't see why it sounded juvenile. I had no problem at all on that 
> forum trying to understand the posts since is only a simple case on word 
> abbreviations by replacing them for their phonetics proxys.
> 
> Also I can't believe somebody actually got insulted by this type of 
> abbreviations, I actually don't see the logic of the "insult". Was my 
> post saying: you are dumb because you who have fought dyslexia can't 
> read it? If so, I never even got close to mention dyslexia people, I 
> only meant that some people here do intellectual achievements by 
> publishing very mind challenging posts to show off themselves as a true 
> purpose so I found ridiculous that people here complained about a simple 
> mental replacement. Anyway, I don't meant that the people that 
> complaining about it is the same that made those show offs, I think was 
> a mistake on my part to assume that everyone here would be able to 
> understand me, since I assume smart people don't have a problem with 
> this kind Internet slang, let alone knowing some people here had a won 
> battle against dyslexia. I apology for the mistake.
> 

I think there is something funny in this group, and you are not the 
first to experience it in this way. As you know news.povray.org is 
deliberately not part of the standard newsgroup system. Perhaps it is 
more than just a physical disconnection. I think on average the people 
here are somewhat older and although very involved in computers, they 
are not the rather empty showing off 'skills' type. Some of us even 
think before writing (not me of course).
You might also have noticed the continued annoyance with the lack of 
spell checking of our mascot. I think that in general you could say that 
many here appreciate it if you write good English or at least try to. If 
you are not a native speaker, use that to your advantage. Note that we 
are a friendly bunch of guys, and the occasional lady, but don't take us 
to seriously, we tend to like running gags. If you don't stop being 
taken by surprise with what goes on here, u and ur u may become one of 
those.

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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:10:58 -0200, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Well, and the "lingo" evolved because the billing used to be "by the
>> character", IIRC.
> 
> Not really. It's because SMS messages are limited to 160 characters.

Well, yeah, but each message used to be (and in some places/on some 
plans, still is) billed by the message.  That's what I was thinking.  So 
conserving space was/is an important consideration in that venue.

> Plus, of course, the fact that the less you have to type the better...
> At least if you don't have predictive text (T9 and friends).

Yep.

Jim

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On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:35:41 -0400, Saul Luizaga wrote:

> Also I can't believe somebody actually got insulted by this type of
> abbreviations,

I don't think that it's that anybody was insulted, Saul, I think that 
it's that it's not part of the cultural norm of these newsgroups.

When communicating, it's important to take your audience into 
consideration - whether spoken, written, or whatever.

Online communities develop their own personalities and cultural norms.  
The use of SMS text abbreviations is pervasive through some, and not in 
others.

This is one of the ones where it isn't as pervasive.  Sure, some things 
(like LOL) find their way into it.  But when you are trying to get a 
point across or discuss something, it's always best to take the listener/
reader into consideration.

I mean, I cood right yousing wired wurdz or 3v3n 1337-5p33k two tri- too 
luk kewl.  Buht t3ll m3 h0w d1ff1cu1t eye ahm 2 uhndrstahnd.

When you're reading along full tilt and then you have to stop to think 
about what's been written, the end result often is that you stop reading 
and go onto the next message.

Now, tell me you read the paragraph immediately proceeding this one and 
the one before it at the same speed.  I *wrote* it, and the first one 
takes me longer, even though it's shorter.

Jim

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:10:58 -0200, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> 
>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> Well, and the "lingo" evolved because the billing used to be "by the
>>> character", IIRC.
>> 
>> Not really. It's because SMS messages are limited to 160 characters.
> 
> Well, yeah, but each message used to be (and in some places/on some
> plans, still is) billed by the message.  That's what I was thinking.  So
> conserving space was/is an important consideration in that venue.

Yes, definitely.

I mean it was never charged per character. It was and is charged per
message, but their length is ridiculously limited :)

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On 15-Dec-08 22:47, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:10:58 -0200, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
>>
>>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>> Well, and the "lingo" evolved because the billing used to be "by the
>>>> character", IIRC.
>>> Not really. It's because SMS messages are limited to 160 characters.
>> Well, yeah, but each message used to be (and in some places/on some
>> plans, still is) billed by the message.  That's what I was thinking.  So
>> conserving space was/is an important consideration in that venue.
> 
> Yes, definitely.
> 
> I mean it was never charged per character. It was and is charged per
> message, but their length is ridiculously limited :)
> 
IIRC the length was such that when the telephone switched to switched 
packets this was what could fit in one packet. Added as a funny extra in 
the protocol, never intended to be really used. D*mned internet, I can't 
find that story, so it is probably not true :( One used to be able to 
say such things and if they were not true you could at least have 
started a meme.

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andrel wrote:
> IIRC the length was such that when the telephone switched to switched 
> packets this was what could fit in one packet.

Yes. It was intended for use by people actually installing the network. Then 
they figured out they could charge five dollars a kilobyte or something.

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   The NFL should go international. I'd pay to
   see the Detroit Lions vs the Roman Catholics.

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Darren New wrote:
> andrel wrote:
>> IIRC the length was such that when the telephone switched to switched
>> packets this was what could fit in one packet.
> 
> Yes. It was intended for use by people actually installing the network.
> Then they figured out they could charge five dollars a kilobyte or
> something.

And even then, it was marketed as a way for people to send a SMS home
saying "I'm stuck in traffic". Not for people to send a hundred messages
back and forth, making a long conversation they could have in a tenth of
the time by *talking* on the damn phone. But as soon as cellphone companies
noticed it was used for the latter... Well, the more money the better!

All the use I give to my cellphone is about one SMS a day. "Mom, I arrived"
basically :)

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:35:41 -0400, Saul Luizaga wrote:

> Now, tell me you read the paragraph immediately proceeding this one and 
> the one before it at the same speed.  I *wrote* it, and the first one 
> takes me longer, even though it's shorter.

Actually my reading flowed through till the part of 'kewl' and 'eye ahm' 
since as I mentioned I read/wrote posts in this juvenile game forum, so 
was almost no problem, so on that game forum I'd add those words to the 
'vocabulary' and use them when necessary, but I see YOUR :) point now 
and I understand better this community so is not only fair for YOU :) 
all but also convenient since writing good English leaves no doubt what 
one is trying to say is a harmonious common ground of understanding, 
I'll try to write to YOU :) in the best English I know plus Mozilla 
SeaMonkey's English spell check corrections :)

Cheers.

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Y dN't u gUyS jS dR0piT?

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"Darren New" <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote in message 
news:494696ec@news.povray.org...
> St. wrote:
>> the rubbish that he types into his phone
>
> Almost understandable, given you're typing with a 10-key interface into a 
> mechanism that gives you two lines of text per message.

  But when I looked at a practice application form he did when he was in 
school, he penned 'u' instead of 'you'.


     ~Steve~


>
>
> -- 
>   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
>   The NFL should go international. I'd pay to
>   see the Detroit Lions vs the Roman Catholics.

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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:31:46 -0400, Saul Luizaga wrote:

> but I see YOUR  point now and
> I understand better this community so is not only fair for YOU  all but
> also convenient since writing good English leaves no doubt what one is
> trying to say is a harmonious common ground of understanding, I'll try
> to write to YOU  in the best English I know plus Mozilla SeaMonkey's
> English spell check corrections

I thank you for this. :-)

It's easy enough for me (can't speak for others) to deal with odd 
sentence construction from those who don't speak English natively - I'm 
extremely used to it myself because of experiences in other forums/
newsgroups.

And I'm certain that you have a far better command of English than I have 
of your native language - so my hat's off to you for your adeptness at 
communicating in a foreign language.  I took Spanish myself in high 
school, but I've forgotten most of it.  I know about 6 words in Japanese 
and Russian (and not the usual ones at that).  :-)

Jim

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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:39:06 -0500, nemesis wrote:

> Y dN't u gUyS jS dR0piT?

It'd land on my foot, and that hurts like a sonofa...... ;-)


Jim

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Last post I promise:

Thank you for the complements :)

Well here in Bolivia, because English is the International language is 
taught as a second language, on some schools better than others and some 
not at all, plus also in the University you get technical English for 
your career. Also I like technology and computer so I get to read about 
it on the Internet and is mostly in English which is good for me to 
practice it and a language I can read fairly good.

Cheers.

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On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:35:41 -0400, Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] netscapenet> wrote:

>OK, I'm answering everyone in this post:
>I may sound juvenile because I wrote a lot in a juvenile game forum and 
>Stephen what I was quoting was from the article u offered a link to, so 
>I don't see why it sounded juvenile. 

I did not realise it was a quote. I thought that it was your own words, so that
is why I thought that it was a juvenile retort. 
As to the quote, I hardly think that someone who is described as a "slang
lexicographer" is unbiased. :)  <--? (SMS icon)
There is a whole debate going on (in the UK, at least) about what is acceptable
in written English not including the acceptability of non British English.



>Also I can't believe somebody actually got insulted by this type of 
>abbreviations, I actually don't see the logic of the "insult". 

I did not feel insulted I did not like the implications of what I obviously
misread when you said "but here most ppl presume of making intellectual
milestones writing or discovering intellectual interesting stuff and mostly as a
show-off of their mental capacity". To me it read as if you were complaining
that some people were using big words to show off. But that is a reason to write
properly so that what you want to say is understood the way that you want it to
be. IMO

>Was my 
>post saying: you are dumb because you who have fought dyslexia can't 
>read it? If so, I never even got close to mention dyslexia people, 

No it wasn't. I just take a lot of care that when I post I generally check the
context and spelling. I envy people who can write directly without needing to
check first.

>since I assume smart people don't have a problem with 
>this kind Internet slang, let alone knowing some people here had a won 
>battle against dyslexia. I apology for the mistake.

Apology accepted and lets not make too much of it, please.
-- 

Regards
     Stephen

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On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:19:03 -0400, Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] netscapenet> wrote:

>Last post I promise:
>
>Thank you for the complements :)
>

I concur with Jim, your language skills are better than mine and I salute you
for them. If you hang around here you might even pick up some Scots, ye ken ;)
-- 

Regards
     Stephen

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On 15 Dec 2008 14:24:45 -0500, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:

>On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:31:53 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>
>>  ppl means Private Pilot License or Preferred Parts
>> List amongst other things.
>
>Past Participle. :-)
>

That 2
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Regards
     Stephen

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On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:16:07 +0100, andrel <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:

>On 14-Dec-08 18:27, Stephen wrote:
>
>> 
>> Now as someone who has battled with dyslexia I find it insulting to be spoken to
>> like that. Also on an international newsgroup it is only polite to write in a
>> way that you can be understood.
>> 
>
>I can see your point, but the group is not only international, it is 
>also intercultural. You'd be amazed what is considered normal spelling 
>in some subcultures. Indeed we have had worse examples of 1337 here. If 
>I were you I would not bother too much. Kids will always want to show 
>that they are part of some interesting cultural development. I did it 
>when I was young, you probably did it too, 

Guilty as charged, my Lord.

>though in our cases it was 
>not language that was the victim. It'll rub off when they get older 
>generally (or it becomes standard spelling).

Heaven forbid the latter :)
-- 

Regards
     Stephen

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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 08:30:48 -0600, Mike Raiford <"m[raiford]!at"@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Stephen wrote:
>
>> To a native English speaker it makes you sound juvenile or ignorant. Also other
>> people do not read your text faster.
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7775013.stm
>> Hrd 2 rd
>
>Yep. I generally read people who use those obnoxious 1-2 letter 
>abbreviations as being 12-14 .. Which is rather unsettling when it's 
>someone you know in real life, and they type like a scriddie ...

True LOL
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Regards
     Stephen

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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:25:32 -0000, "St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:

> Now, take my son, 

Do I hear an implied "please"?  :-)
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Regards
     Stephen

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"andrel" <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message 
news:494### [at] hotmailcom...

> Note that we are a friendly bunch of guys,

   *Shoves* Andrel on the shoulder...








     ;)

   ~Steve~

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"Saul Luizaga" <sau### [at] netscapenet> wrote in message 
news:4946f709$1@news.povray.org...
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:35:41 -0400, Saul Luizaga wrote:
>
>> Now, tell me you read the paragraph immediately proceeding this one and 
>> the one before it at the same speed.  I *wrote* it, and the first one 
>> takes me longer, even though it's shorter.
>
> Actually my reading flowed through till the part of 'kewl' and 'eye ahm' 
> since as I mentioned I read/wrote posts in this juvenile game forum, so 
> was almost no problem, so on that game forum I'd add those words to the 
> 'vocabulary' and use them when necessary, but I see YOUR :) point now and 
> I understand better this community so is not only fair for YOU :) all but 
> also convenient since writing good English leaves no doubt what one is 
> trying to say is a harmonious common ground of understanding, I'll try to 
> write to YOU :) in the best English I know plus Mozilla SeaMonkey's 
> English spell check corrections :)
>

   They've been ganging up on you Saul, but you gave some of them a black 
eye. That's the spirit!  ;)

    ~Steve~




> Cheers.

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"Stephen" <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom> wrote in message 
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> On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:25:32 -0000, "St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:
>
>> Now, take my son,
>
> Do I hear an implied "please"?  :-)

    LOL, yes! :o)

    Oh. Wait. Someone's already done that... :o/

     ~Steve~



> -- 
>
> Regards
>     Stephen

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On 16-Dec-08 18:05, Stephen wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:19:03 -0400, Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
> 
>> Last post I promise:
>>
>> Thank you for the complements :)
>>
> 
> I concur with Jim, your language skills are better than mine and I salute you
> for them. If you hang around here you might even pick up some Scots, ye ken ;)

Can I recommend the 'wee free man' and other Tiffany Aching stories by 
Pratchett as another good source of (supposedly) scots?

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On 16-Dec-08 18:09, Stephen wrote:

>> though in our cases it was 
>> not language that was the victim. It'll rub off when they get older 
>> generally (or it becomes standard spelling).
> 
> Heaven forbid the latter :)
I am afraid that some of the things that were invented when I was young 
to annoy the parents are indeed now standard spelling.

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On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:39:58 +0100, andrel <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:

>On 16-Dec-08 18:05, Stephen wrote:
>> On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:19:03 -0400, Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
>> 
>>> Last post I promise:
>>>
>>> Thank you for the complements :)
>>>
>> 
>> I concur with Jim, your language skills are better than mine and I salute you
>> for them. If you hang around here you might even pick up some Scots, ye ken ;)
>
>Can I recommend the 'wee free man' and other Tiffany Aching stories by 
>Pratchett as another good source of (supposedly) scots?

Aye! Ye can.

...

Ya big bampot! :)
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Regards
     Stephen

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On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:43:04 +0100, andrel <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:

>On 16-Dec-08 18:09, Stephen wrote:
>
>>> though in our cases it was 
>>> not language that was the victim. It'll rub off when they get older 
>>> generally (or it becomes standard spelling).
>> 
>> Heaven forbid the latter :)
>I am afraid that some of the things that were invented when I was young 
>to annoy the parents are indeed now standard spelling.

'Tis the way of the world/
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Regards
     Stephen

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On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:06:10 +0000, Stephen wrote:

> On 15 Dec 2008 14:24:45 -0500, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> 
>>On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:31:53 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>
>>>  ppl means Private Pilot License or Preferred Parts
>>> List amongst other things.
>>
>>Past Participle. :-)
>>
>>
> That 2

Comes from reading the OED too frequently. ;-)

Jim

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On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:05:20 +0000, Stephen wrote:

>  If you hang around here you might even pick up some Scots,
> ye ken

Hehehe, I've been thinking of learning Japanese myself - it helps that my 
sister-in-law doesn't speak much English at all, makes it easier to 
communicate with her and her parents.

Jim

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On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:00:32 +0000, Stephen wrote:

> No it wasn't. I just take a lot of care that when I post I generally
> check the context and spelling. I envy people who can write directly
> without needing to check first.

There was a huge discussion on the openSUSE forums - there's an NNTP 
gateway so people like me can read posts there, but those coming from a 
"web forum" background are used to being able to edit their posts.

Those from the NNTP side were saying "well, why didn't you read what you 
wrote before you posted?", and the web forum side was saying "what, you 
never make a mistake?".

It's an interesting "clash" of styles.  Going in and editing an NNTP post 
is generally not possible the way the servers are implemented (would 
require modification of INN or Twister) and change propagation would be 
nuts.

It's funny to me that in many web forums, people want to be able to edit 
their posts to correct them or make them look better, and then resort to 
writing in a shorthand that doesn't make sense when read on a 
professional level, and they don't want to reply to themselves in the 
thread to post a clarification, which from an NNTP perspective is second 
nature.

Jim

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On 16 Dec 2008 21:31:04 -0500, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:

>On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:06:10 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>
>> On 15 Dec 2008 14:24:45 -0500, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>> 
>>>On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:31:53 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>>
>>>>  ppl means Private Pilot License or Preferred Parts
>>>> List amongst other things.
>>>
>>>Past Participle. :-)
>>>
>>>
>> That 2
>
>Comes from reading the OED too frequently. ;-)
>

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7654511.stm  ;)
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Regards
     Stephen

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On 16 Dec 2008 21:37:40 -0500, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:

>
>It's funny to me that in many web forums, people want to be able to edit 
>their posts to correct them or make them look better, and then resort to 
>writing in a shorthand that doesn't make sense when read on a 
>professional level, and they don't want to reply to themselves in the 
>thread to post a clarification, which from an NNTP perspective is second 
>nature.

Different strokes for different folks ;)
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Regards
     Stephen

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On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:24:11 +0000, Stephen wrote:

> On 16 Dec 2008 21:37:40 -0500, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> 
> 
>>It's funny to me that in many web forums, people want to be able to edit
>>their posts to correct them or make them look better, and then resort to
>>writing in a shorthand that doesn't make sense when read on a
>>professional level, and they don't want to reply to themselves in the
>>thread to post a clarification, which from an NNTP perspective is second
>>nature.
> 
> Different strokes for different folks ;)

Well, yeah, that's kinda my point. :-)

Jim

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On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:26:09 +0000, Stephen wrote:

> On 16 Dec 2008 21:31:04 -0500, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> 
>>On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:06:10 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> On 15 Dec 2008 14:24:45 -0500, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:31:53 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  ppl means Private Pilot License or Preferred Parts
>>>>> List amongst other things.
>>>>
>>>>Past Participle. :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> That 2
>>
>>Comes from reading the OED too frequently. ;-)
>>
>>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7654511.stm  ;)

Egads. :-)

Jim

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On 17 Dec 2008 11:27:25 -0500, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:

>>>Comes from reading the OED too frequently. ;-)
>>>
>>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7654511.stm  ;)
>
>Egads. :-)

And they say we're weird :)
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Regards
     Stephen

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On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:34:52 +0000, Stephen wrote:

> On 17 Dec 2008 11:27:25 -0500, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> 
>>>>Comes from reading the OED too frequently. ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7654511.stm  ;)
>>
>>Egads. :-)
> 
> And they say we're weird :)

Yeah, there's always someone weirder out there.

Jim

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