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From: Florian Pesth
Subject: Phone for Invisible...
Date: 22 Nov 2008 04:02:45
Message: <4927cab5@news.povray.org>
http://www.pomegranatephone.com/default.html

...or rather not :)


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Phone for Invisible...
Date: 22 Nov 2008 04:26:13
Message: <4927d035@news.povray.org>
Florian Pesth <fpe### [at] gmxde> wrote:
> http://www.pomegranatephone.com/default.html

> ...or rather not :)

  For a moment it got me, until I watched on the projector feature, which
made it rather clear that it's a spoof.

  Reading *who* made this spoof (and how much it cost to make), I really
can't understand what's the point.

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Phone for Invisible...
Date: 22 Nov 2008 12:55:35
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Warp wrote:
>   For a moment it got me, until I watched on the projector feature, which
> made it rather clear that it's a spoof.

I want to know what the stand-by time is while using the projector. :-)

>   Reading *who* made this spoof (and how much it cost to make), I really
> can't understand what's the point.

I'll second that wtf.

-- 
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)


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From: Florian Pesth
Subject: Re: Phone for Invisible...
Date: 22 Nov 2008 14:13:05
Message: <492859c1$1@news.povray.org>
Am Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:55:37 -0800 schrieb Darren New:

> Warp wrote:
>>   For a moment it got me, until I watched on the projector feature,
>>   which
>> made it rather clear that it's a spoof.
> 
> I want to know what the stand-by time is while using the projector. :-)
> 
Well, if they get the laser projectors work I wouldn't be surprised if 
the projectors get *much* smaller than they are now (Still they will use 
a lot of power). I think Frauenhofer Institute has some prototype 
working, where the optics (excluding the electronics) is only a few cubic 
cm. Unless green lasers get cheap though, it will probably take some time 
until we see them in the stores :).


>>   Reading *who* made this spoof (and how much it cost to make), I
>>   really
>> can't understand what's the point.
> 
> I'll second that wtf.

It seems to be some virial marketing campaign for the tourism in some 
region in Canada, but I don't even get that far (I can see all "features" 
of the phone, but when I klick on release date for example the flash 
player stops, before it loads completely.)


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Phone for Invisible...
Date: 24 Nov 2008 02:36:24
Message: <492a5978$1@news.povray.org>
>  For a moment it got me, until I watched on the projector feature, which
> made it rather clear that it's a spoof.

I think both the non-rectangular display and the projector, are features 
that are only available in the R&D stage at the moment.  Won't be long 
though...


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Phone for Invisible...
Date: 24 Nov 2008 03:02:53
Message: <492a5fad$1@news.povray.org>
> Well, if they get the laser projectors work I wouldn't be surprised if
> the projectors get *much* smaller than they are now (Still they will use
> a lot of power). I think Frauenhofer Institute has some prototype
> working, where the optics (excluding the electronics) is only a few cubic
> cm.

I saw a demo from these guys a couple of years ago which was only a few cc:

http://www.lightblueoptics.com

But as you mentioned, they told me back then the problem was the cost and 
availability of small green laser diodes.  I'm sure that's on the way to 
getting fixed though, and then we'll have all sorts of cool applications :-)

BTW the technology used is pretty interesting, they use a micro display, 
just like in a conventional projector, but instead of creating the image on 
the display, they create a hologram from the image and show this on the 
display, then use the lasers with the display to recreate the image on any 
surface.  The benefits of this system are that the image is always perfectly 
in focus (so no need for moving lens) and that if one pixel or line fails in 
the display, it affects every pixel in the final image equally so you 
essentially don't notice it.  These two things will make them potentially 
very cheap to manufacturer once the laser diodes drop in price.


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From: Tim Cook
Subject: Re: Phone for Invisible...
Date: 24 Nov 2008 04:51:26
Message: <492a791e@news.povray.org>
"scott" <sco### [at] scottcom> wrote in message 
news:492a5978$1@news.povray.org...
>>  For a moment it got me, until I watched on the projector feature, which
>> made it rather clear that it's a spoof.
>
> I think both the non-rectangular display and the projector, are features 
> that are only available in the R&D stage at the moment.  Won't be long 
> though...

I'd rather the coffee maker.

--
Tim Cook
http://empyrean.freesitespace.net


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From: Florian Pesth
Subject: Re: Phone for Invisible...
Date: 24 Nov 2008 15:31:17
Message: <492b0f15$1@news.povray.org>
Am Mon, 24 Nov 2008 04:51:16 -0500 schrieb Tim Cook:
 
> I'd rather the coffee maker.

http://www.handpresso.com/

:)


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From: Florian Pesth
Subject: Re: Phone for Invisible...
Date: 24 Nov 2008 15:36:12
Message: <492b103c$1@news.povray.org>
Am Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:02:52 +0100 schrieb scott:

>> Well, if they get the laser projectors work I wouldn't be surprised if
>> the projectors get *much* smaller than they are now (Still they will
>> use a lot of power). I think Frauenhofer Institute has some prototype
>> working, where the optics (excluding the electronics) is only a few
>> cubic cm.
> 
> I saw a demo from these guys a couple of years ago which was only a few
> cc:
> 
> http://www.lightblueoptics.com

That's pretty impressive! I want one :).

>  These two things will
> make them potentially very cheap to manufacturer once the laser diodes
> drop in price.

On an only slightly related note, I'm still waiting till the OLED screens 
get cheap enough for consumer laptops :). My current laptop should 
survive till then.


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Phone for Invisible...
Date: 25 Nov 2008 03:00:42
Message: <492bb0aa@news.povray.org>
> On an only slightly related note, I'm still waiting till the OLED screens
> get cheap enough for consumer laptops :). My current laptop should
> survive till then.

OLED is fighting a very tough battle against LCD, when OLED was first 
invented it instantly addressed many problems that LCD had (response time, 
colour range, viewing angle, contrast).  But the problem is OLED can't 
improve any further (except for the lifetime and cost issues), whereas LCD 
has been catching up in leaps and bounds over the last 5-10 years.

If you buy a good quality LCD today (eg one used in a TV set or good 
monitor, not a cheap laptop display), you will be very hard pressed to tell 
it apart from an OLED display.  THe only thing LCD really needs to improve 
to be totally on par with OLED is the contrast.  Currently consumer LCD 
contrast tops out at about 1000:1 - 2000:1, this is still not good enough 
for good blacks in a dark room.

When any consumer OLED monitor is released, it's going to need to pretty 
sophisticated electronics or software to counteract the ageing of each 
sub-pixel.  In current displays it doesn't matter if your display gets a bit 
darker after a year or two of use, but it will be a bit annoying if you get 
a permanent imprint of the windows task bar at the bottom of your monitor 
:-)


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