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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Another Toccata
Date: 15 Nov 2008 11:07:43
Message: <491ef3cf$1@news.povray.org>
In case you guys are getting bored of Widor's Toccata, here's one of Bach's:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0rbgr8heLCM

Comments welcomed. (Yes, I *know* it's complete!)

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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Another Toccata
Date: 15 Nov 2008 16:40:53
Message: <491f41e5@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> In case you guys are getting bored of Widor's Toccata, here's one of 
> Bach's:
> 
> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0rbgr8heLCM
> 
> Comments welcomed. (Yes, I *know* it's complete!)

I'm still to see the other.  You play pretty nicely.  Next, try the 
Busoni edition. ;)

BTW, some scholars believe this is not genuine Bach, that he adapted 
some toccata for violin from someone else.  It's still wonderful.

You know, I'm really shy to play the piano to others, not that I play as 
good as you do anyway... :P


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Another Toccata
Date: 15 Nov 2008 17:05:24
Message: <491f47a4$1@news.povray.org>
nemesis wrote:

> I'm still to see the other.  You play pretty nicely.  Next, try the 
> Busoni edition. ;)

...?

> BTW, some scholars believe this is not genuine Bach, that he adapted 
> some toccata for violin from someone else.  It's still wonderful.

Yeah, so I keep hearing. All I know is whoever wrote this thing was 
*insane*. (And possibly a genius as well...)

By the way, I looked up "fugue" on Wikipedia. It's quite interesting. It 
seems a fugue is basically a musical fractal. How neat is that?

> You know, I'm really shy to play the piano to others, not that I play as 
> good as you do anyway... :P

I can play really well, UNLESS I HAVE AN AUDIENCE! o_O

You think playing the piano is bad! Try walking into a large, deserted 
stone building and playing an instrument so loud that people a few 
blocks away can hear it when you miss a note! ._.

Nervous? Hell yeah!

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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Another Toccata
Date: 15 Nov 2008 17:28:38
Message: <491f4d16$1@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> By the way, I looked up "fugue" on Wikipedia. It's quite interesting. It 
> seems a fugue is basically a musical fractal. How neat is that?

You should read Godel, Escher, Bach. The whole Bach part is about how 
his music is all self-referential like Escher and Godel's stuff is.

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Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Another Toccata
Date: 15 Nov 2008 19:15:00
Message: <web.491f6524ce9f29483c5d60fd0@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
>
> > I'm still to see the other.  You play pretty nicely.  Next, try the
> > Busoni edition. ;)
>
> ...?

It was an adaptation for the piano by the late 19th.  It's way harder. ;)

> By the way, I looked up "fugue" on Wikipedia. It's quite interesting. It
> seems a fugue is basically a musical fractal. How neat is that?

Yes, basically.  Bach excelled at fugues.  He was the most mathematician of all
musicians. :D

> I can play really well, UNLESS I HAVE AN AUDIENCE! o_O

Wow!  And you tell you're shy! O_o

> You think playing the piano is bad! Try walking into a large, deserted
> stone building and playing an instrument so loud that people a few
> blocks away can hear it when you miss a note! ._.
>
> Nervous? Hell yeah!

I can't imagine how you withstand it!

When all I had was an acoustic piano, I tried by all means to play pianissimo so
that other people wouldn't listen to my errors. :P

Now I have a digital piano.  Ah, earphones... :)


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Another Toccata
Date: 15 Nov 2008 23:01:55
Message: <491f9b33$1@news.povray.org>
Darren New wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> By the way, I looked up "fugue" on Wikipedia. It's quite interesting. 
>> It seems a fugue is basically a musical fractal. How neat is that?
> 
> You should read Godel, Escher, Bach. The whole Bach part is about how 
> his music is all self-referential like Escher and Godel's stuff is.

One of the examples in the book is Bach's "Crab Canon", which you can 
turn upside down and play and get the same song.  Just as an example.

And, apropos of not much, this was pretty cool:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=v1VdJU7scps

But the Bach sounds pretty good for someone who does it for fun. :-)

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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Another Toccata
Date: 16 Nov 2008 05:04:43
Message: <491ff03b$1@news.povray.org>
>>> I'm still to see the other.  You play pretty nicely.  Next, try the
>>> Busoni edition. ;)
>> ...?
> 
> It was an adaptation for the piano by the late 19th.  It's way harder. ;)

It seems the score I have is a simplified version as it is...

>> By the way, I looked up "fugue" on Wikipedia. It's quite interesting. It
>> seems a fugue is basically a musical fractal. How neat is that?
> 
> Yes, basically.  Bach excelled at fugues.  He was the most mathematician of all
> musicians. :D

Counterpoint, MUCH??

>> I can play really well, UNLESS I HAVE AN AUDIENCE! o_O
> 
> Wow!  And you tell you're shy! O_o

That's what I'm saying. Having an audience makes me all shy and 
self-concious and I start making dumb mistakes and stuff...

> I can't imagine how you withstand it!

Knowing the camera is rolling makes you kind of try to keep going no 
matter what... Hey, the 3 clips I've posted online are cut from a reel 
of about 15 seperate takes! o_O

> When all I had was an acoustic piano, I tried by all means to play pianissimo so
> that other people wouldn't listen to my errors. :P
> 
> Now I have a digital piano.  Ah, earphones... :)

It 0wns, doesn't it? :-D

(I have Kontakt...)

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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: Another Toccata
Date: 16 Nov 2008 05:06:41
Message: <491ff0b1@news.povray.org>
Darren New wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> By the way, I looked up "fugue" on Wikipedia. It's quite interesting. 
>> It seems a fugue is basically a musical fractal. How neat is that?
> 
> You should read Godel, Escher, Bach. The whole Bach part is about how 
> his music is all self-referential like Escher and Godel's stuff is.

...Godel is self-referential?

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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Another Toccata
Date: 16 Nov 2008 10:05:01
Message: <web.49203593ce9f2948136aecae0@news.povray.org>
Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> And, apropos of not much, this was pretty cool:
> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=v1VdJU7scps
>
> But the Bach sounds pretty good for someone who does it for fun. :-)

I don't think that's Bach. :P

But anyway, drums&bass seem to be the only way of getting people to listen to a
violin today.  This and "Girl with electronic violin" with violin sounding like
a guitar... :P

Along these lines:
http://meiobit.pop.com.br/meio-bit/destaque/futurecom-bachianas

Click on the video of the article.


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Another Toccata
Date: 16 Nov 2008 10:20:01
Message: <web.49203a01ce9f2948136aecae0@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> It seems the score I have is a simplified version as it is...

Hmm, it sounds quite like the original to me.

> Counterpoint, MUCH??

Yes, very much! :)

> >> I can play really well, UNLESS I HAVE AN AUDIENCE! o_O
> >
> > Wow!  And you tell you're shy! O_o
>
> That's what I'm saying. Having an audience makes me all shy and
> self-concious and I start making dumb mistakes and stuff...

Oh, sorry!  I got it wrong. :P

Then, it is the same as me. :P

Having a passion for organs doesn't help... ^_^

> Knowing the camera is rolling makes you kind of try to keep going no
> matter what... Hey, the 3 clips I've posted online are cut from a reel
> of about 15 seperate takes! o_O

Aha!

> It 0wns, doesn't it? :-D

Yes!  Another story, completely...


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