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Invisible <voi### [at] dev null> wrote:
> http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1267
I wonder why everyone is always so concerned about the violation of the
second law of thermodynamics. What about the first law? Why isn't anyone
concerned about that one? Someone might be violating the first law of
thermodynamics right now, and nobody cares!
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- Warp
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Warp wrote:
> I wonder why everyone is always so concerned about the violation of the
> second law of thermodynamics. What about the first law? Why isn't anyone
> concerned about that one? Someone might be violating the first law of
> thermodynamics right now, and nobody cares!
Tell me: Precisely *how* could you possibly violate the First Law? ;-)
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> > I wonder why everyone is always so concerned about the violation of the
> > second law of thermodynamics. What about the first law? Why isn't anyone
> > concerned about that one? Someone might be violating the first law of
> > thermodynamics right now, and nobody cares!
> Tell me: Precisely *how* could you possibly violate the First Law? ;-)
With a perpetual motion machine, of course.
There's also a third law of thermodynamics. Is anyone watching that one?
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- Warp
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Warp wrote:
> Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>>> I wonder why everyone is always so concerned about the violation of the
>>> second law of thermodynamics. What about the first law? Why isn't anyone
>>> concerned about that one? Someone might be violating the first law of
>>> thermodynamics right now, and nobody cares!
>
>> Tell me: Precisely *how* could you possibly violate the First Law? ;-)
>
> With a perpetual motion machine, of course.
>
> There's also a third law of thermodynamics. Is anyone watching that one?
...OK, checking what Wikipedia has to say on the matter, the 1st law
says something radically different from what I was expecting.
I guess this is what happens when you learn thermodynamics from Flanders
& Swan. :-P
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Warp wrote:
>
> There's also a third law of thermodynamics. Is anyone watching that one?
>
The second law has something to do with entropy. Why is everyone so
concerned with entropy?
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~Mike
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Halbert wrote:
> That reminded me of something I saw once. I just did a search on topological
> crochet and found this:
http://www.kleinbottle.com/klein_bottle_hats.htm
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
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Mike Raiford wrote:
> The second law has something to do with entropy. Why is everyone so
> concerned with entropy?
Because it's a statistical rule, not an absolute. So people are
constantly trying to prove a way they've invented to get around it,
leading to free energy.
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Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
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Oh. Thats Cliff Stoll's site. He is the astronomer who tracked a German spy
hacking into US military networks from his computer center at Lawrence
Berkeley Labs in 1985. He's a real freak. The book about the hacking
incident is really interesting reading.
http://www.amazon.com/Cuckoos-Egg-Tracking-Computer-Espionage/dp/1416507787/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1226428067&sr=8-1
but after that he adopted a very skewed attitude regarding the Internet and
what it would or should become.
--
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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> Mike Raiford wrote:
> > The second law has something to do with entropy. Why is everyone so
> > concerned with entropy?
> Because it's a statistical rule, not an absolute. So people are
> constantly trying to prove a way they've invented to get around it,
> leading to free energy.
I thought free energy was related to the first law, not the second.
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- Warp
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Warp wrote:
> Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>> Mike Raiford wrote:
>>> The second law has something to do with entropy. Why is everyone so
>>> concerned with entropy?
>
>> Because it's a statistical rule, not an absolute. So people are
>> constantly trying to prove a way they've invented to get around it,
>> leading to free energy.
>
> I thought free energy was related to the first law, not the second.
Only in closed systems. If you can suck useful work out of ambient air
temperature, that counts as "free" energy in the "gratis" "no-cost" sense.
That is, it's in the same sense that running your car on solar energy is
"free energy", even tho obviously the sun is supplying the energy and is
running down much faster than your car is speeding up.
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
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