>> OK. When you mentioned stops, you mentioned a 32' (or was it 16'?) 
>> stop. Obviously from the sheer size a very low note. How does that 
>> relate to the organ.
> 
> In my recording, I have (from the looks of it) two 8' stops, a 4' stop 
> and the 2' pulled (in the Great division), and also a 16' in the Swell.

To clarify: The organ I played has two 16' stops, and no 32' stops at all.

One of the 16' stops is obviously (the only rank in) the Peddle 
division. The other one is in the Swell division, oddly enough...

Would you (or anybody else) be interested in a complete readout of the 
organ stops?

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Invisible wrote:

> Would you (or anybody else) be interested in a complete readout of the 
> organ stops?

Perhaps ... could be interesting..

-- 
~Mike

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Built 1857 by A. Hunter of London.

Equal temperment, electric blowing. (Originally hand bellows.) Balanced 
swell peddle.

2 manuals and 1 peddleboard.

Peddleboard: 30 keys, C0 - F1, straight concave, wood, mechanical action.

Manuals: 56 keys, C0 - G3, evory, mechanical action.

Peddle division:
   Bordon 16'

Great division:
   Open Diapason 8'
   Stopped Diapason 8'
   Dulciana 8' (incomplete rank)
   Principal 4'
   Flute 4' (incomplete rank)
   Fifteenth 2'

Swell division (enclosed):
   Double Diapason 16' (incomplete rank)
   Horn Diapason 8' (incomplete rank)
   Lieblich Gedact 8'
   Principal 4'
   Full Mixture III
   Cornopean 8'
   Tremelo (sic.)

Couplers:
   Swell to Peddle
   Swell to Great
   Great to Peddle

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Invisible wrote:

> 2 manuals and 1 peddleboard.

Typical for a small organ.

> Peddleboard: 30 keys, C0 - F1, straight concave, wood, mechanical action.

Concave = the peddles in the middle are lower than the peddles at the 
edges. The alternative is for all peddles to be the same height.

Straight = the peddles are parallel to each other. The alternative is 
"radial", meaning the peddles radiate out around the stool.

> Peddle division:
>   Bordon 16'

Small organs typically have very few peddle stops. If there is only one, 
it is almost always a Bordon.

> Great division:
>   Open Diapason 8'
>   Stopped Diapason 8'

These are your basic organ stops. Sounds rather flute-like. The stopped 
diapason sounds quieter and more muffled, but otherwise similar to the 
open diapason. These are both 8' (i.e., normal pitch) stops.

>   Dulciana 8' (incomplete rank)

A rather pleasent, quiet stop, with a mellow tone. Sounds almost 
"distant". It is "incomplete" in that there are no pipes for the bottom 
octave.

>   Principal 4'
>   Flute 4' (incomplete rank)
>   Fifteenth 2'

These sound more or less like diapasons, but higher-pitched. Use them on 
their own, or mixed in with an 8' stop just to add more trebble.

> Swell division (enclosed):
>   Double Diapason 16' (incomplete rank)

Double as in double length. (This is a 16' stop.)

>   Horn Diapason 8' (incomplete rank)

I'm not fond of this one. Sounds a bit like a fog horn.

>   Lieblich Gedact 8'

Ask Florian how the **** you pronounce that. (It seems to be roughly 
"YEE-blihh deDAAkt".) It has a lovely flute-like tone, soft and 
delicate. Works best for melodies rather than chords.

>   Principal 4'
>   Full Mixture III

Again, use these to flesh out the sound. Personally I don't like the 
Mixture stop very much.

>   Cornopean 8'

The only reed rank on the organ. (The others are all flue pipes.) 
Produces an irritating trumpet-like sound.

>   Tremelo (sic.)

Pull this and the organ makes a thunderous noise like an unbalanced 
washing machine! o_O Makes all the ranks sound like they've been put 
through a Leslie speaker. (It modulates the air pressure.)

> Couplers:
>   Swell to Peddle
>   Swell to Great
>   Great to Peddle

As demonstrated, this causes a second set of keys to move when you press 
the first set. (Also makes the keys correspondingly heavier! And more 
prone to jamming on this tired old organ.) On modern electric organs, 
this would just make an extra rank speak without actually moving the 
keys. I kinda like the graphic demonstration of what it does though!

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Invisible wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
> 
>> 2 manuals and 1 peddleboard.
> 
> Typical for a small organ.
> 
>> Peddleboard: 30 keys, C0 - F1, straight concave, wood, mechanical action.
> 
> Concave = the peddles in the middle are lower than the peddles at the 
> edges. The alternative is for all peddles to be the same height.
> 
> Straight = the peddles are parallel to each other. The alternative is 
> "radial", meaning the peddles radiate out around the stool.
> 
>> Peddle division:
>>   Bordon 16'
> 
> Small organs typically have very few peddle stops. If there is only one, 
> it is almost always a Bordon.
> 
>> Great division:
>>   Open Diapason 8'
>>   Stopped Diapason 8'
> 
> These are your basic organ stops. Sounds rather flute-like. The stopped 
> diapason sounds quieter and more muffled, but otherwise similar to the 
> open diapason. These are both 8' (i.e., normal pitch) stops.
> 
>>   Dulciana 8' (incomplete rank)
> 
> A rather pleasent, quiet stop, with a mellow tone. Sounds almost 
> "distant". It is "incomplete" in that there are no pipes for the bottom 
> octave.
> 
>>   Principal 4'
>>   Flute 4' (incomplete rank)
>>   Fifteenth 2'
> 
> These sound more or less like diapasons, but higher-pitched. Use them on 
> their own, or mixed in with an 8' stop just to add more trebble.
> 
>> Swell division (enclosed):
>>   Double Diapason 16' (incomplete rank)
> 
> Double as in double length. (This is a 16' stop.)
> 
>>   Horn Diapason 8' (incomplete rank)
> 
> I'm not fond of this one. Sounds a bit like a fog horn.
> 
>>   Lieblich Gedact 8'
> 
> Ask Florian how the **** you pronounce that. (It seems to be roughly 
> "YEE-blihh deDAAkt".) It has a lovely flute-like tone, soft and 
> delicate. Works best for melodies rather than chords.
> 
>>   Principal 4'
>>   Full Mixture III
> 
> Again, use these to flesh out the sound. Personally I don't like the 
> Mixture stop very much.
> 
>>   Cornopean 8'
> 
> The only reed rank on the organ. (The others are all flue pipes.) 
> Produces an irritating trumpet-like sound.
> 
>>   Tremelo (sic.)
> 
> Pull this and the organ makes a thunderous noise like an unbalanced 
> washing machine! o_O Makes all the ranks sound like they've been put 
> through a Leslie speaker. (It modulates the air pressure.)
> 
>> Couplers:
>>   Swell to Peddle
>>   Swell to Great
>>   Great to Peddle
> 
> As demonstrated, this causes a second set of keys to move when you press 
> the first set. (Also makes the keys correspondingly heavier! And more 
> prone to jamming on this tired old organ.) On modern electric organs, 
> this would just make an extra rank speak without actually moving the 
> keys. I kinda like the graphic demonstration of what it does though!

Thanks for that :) an interesting read. So, this is a pretty typical 
organ, then?

-- 
~Mike

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Mike Raiford wrote:

> Thanks for that :) an interesting read.

Heh. I'm glad somebody liked it. ;-)

> So, this is a pretty typical organ, then?

It's fairly typical for a small Victorian organ, yes. The *exact* stop 
readout varies according to the builder's taste and the time period, but 
this is a fairly typical specimin.

2 manuals + 1 peddleboard is about the smallest pipe organs get. There 
are smaller ones, but not often.

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Now with two hands:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ou5rQuzfyP4

As you can see, this is... quite hard! o_O

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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ou5rQuzfyP4

> As you can see, this is... quite hard! o_O

  Still much better than anything I could ever have the patience to learn...

  Btw, who is the cameraman?

-- 
                                                          - Warp

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Warp wrote:
>> As you can see, this is... quite hard! o_O
> 
>   Still much better than anything I could ever have the patience to learn...

Yeah. Heh. It's been, what, 3 *months* now... and I still haven't 
finished learning it, much less practising it to perfection! :-S

I've got one final video I might upload. The two posted so far are from 
the 18th of October. I went back the next weekend and got some slightly 
better pictures. I'll see about editing it down for posting...

[What you *don't* see is that the bit I just posted is edited down. It's 
actually about the 5th runthrough. Hence the frustration displayed at 
the end. Like "damnit, this it the 5th take and I still can't play it 
straight!"]

>   Btw, who is the cameraman?

My dad.

(The shaking and the weird camera angles are due to his arm going numb 
with the intense cold. Plus... well have *you* tried holding your arm 
above your head for 5 minutes? The blood drains after a while...)

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Invisible wrote:
> The bizzare thing is that it's difficult to play it slower - I keep
> forgetting where I've got to! ;-)

So true, that does happen sometimes.

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Invisible wrote:
> (Heee... I sound like an expert! Wikipedia FTW!!)

Add some proper sources and you could EXPAND the Wikipedia article...

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Invisible wrote:
>>   Dulciana 8' (incomplete rank)
> 
> A rather pleasent, quiet stop, with a mellow tone. Sounds almost
> "distant". It is "incomplete" in that there are no pipes for the bottom
> octave.
> 

Spanish "dulce" = English "sweet".

Italian, or whatever language the stop names come from, is probably similar.

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Invisible wrote:
> Mike Raiford wrote:
>> So, the string division on this organ has dozens of stops?
> 
> This is from the famous Wanamaker, the largest playable pipe organ in 
> the entire world. And yes, it is famed for its *vast* string division. 
> (The organ I played doesn't even have a single string stop. But then, 
> it's a *church* organ rather than a *theatre* organ.)

To illustrate:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ02Lu8Zuzw

[Be sure to click the high-quality one. The sound is a bit better.]

Doesn't sound much like a "pipe organ", does it? Sounds more like an 
entire orchestra. That's the difference. It's designed to emulate other 
instruments as well as being a pipe organ.

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"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> a écrit dans le message de news: 
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> Invisible wrote:
>
Eh you're becomming an organ expert :-D
Very instructive

Marc

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m_a_r_c wrote:

> Eh you're becomming an organ expert :-D
> Very instructive

Yep. And I learned it all from Wikipedia about 3 weeks ago! ;-)

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> Now with two hands:
>
> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ou5rQuzfyP4
>
> As you can see, this is... quite hard! o_O

Yers I can see, and it looks very good, unfortunately no sound on this 
machine at work so I'll have to have a listen later.

BTW you should get a tripod :-)

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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
>> (Heee... I sound like an expert! Wikipedia FTW!!)
> 
> Add some proper sources and you could EXPAND the Wikipedia article...

Go read it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_console

Not much I could add, eh? ;-)

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scott wrote:

> BTW you should get a tripod :-)

I'm seriously considering that.

And also bringing a decent friggin microphone to the next session! >_<

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>> BTW you should get a tripod :-)
>
> I'm seriously considering that.

They're very useful, and for static indoor use you can get some pretty cheap 
light-weight ones that will do the job well.  If you plan to get more 
serious and actually rotate the camera while it's on the tripod then you 
probably will want a heavier tripod with a smoother head (cheap ones are 
notoriously jerky when trying to rotate the camera in a smooth motion).

> And also bringing a decent friggin microphone to the next session! >_<

Hehe, sounds like that could get expensive :-)  For a start, where to place 
the microphoneS?

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Invisible wrote:

> Peddle division:
>   Bordon 16'
> 
> Great division:
>   Open Diapason 8'
>   Stopped Diapason 8'
>   Dulciana 8' (incomplete rank)
>   Principal 4'
>   Flute 4' (incomplete rank)
>   Fifteenth 2'
> 
> Swell division (enclosed):
>   Double Diapason 16' (incomplete rank)
>   Horn Diapason 8' (incomplete rank)
>   Lieblich Gedact 8'
>   Principal 4'
>   Full Mixture III
>   Cornopean 8'
>   Tremelo (sic.)
> 
> Couplers:
>   Swell to Peddle
>   Swell to Great
>   Great to Peddle

In summary, 1 Peddle stop, 6 Great stops, 6 Swell stops, and 4 other 
control knobs. A grand total of 13 actual stops.

The Grand Organ of the Royal Albert Hall has 36 stops *for the peddles*! o_O

The organ above has two 16' stops, one of which lacks the lowest notes 
of the scale. So there is basically only one C0 pipe at 16' pitch.

The Grand Organ has 16' stops. I count 15 of them for the Peddles alone, 
but all five of the organ's divisions contain at least one 16' stop. 
Several divisions also have 32' stops, and there's even a single 64' 
stop in the Peddle division. o_O

(The 64' stop actually uses sum and difference waves to generate the 
pitch, rather than a pipe that is actually 64' long. Apparently only two 
organs in the world have a "real" 64' stop.)

If any of you want to see the full readout for yourselves, it can be 
found here:

http://npor.emma.cam.ac.uk/cgi-bin/Rsearch.cgi?Fn=Rsearch&rec_index=D00733

Other interesting data on the restoration is here:

http://www.mander-organs.com/portfolio/r-a-h.html

And not forgetting that you'll want to look up all those stop names:

http://www.organstops.org/index.html

(Some of these have examples you can listen to!)

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scott wrote:
>>> BTW you should get a tripod :-)
>>
>> I'm seriously considering that.
> 
> They're very useful, and for static indoor use you can get some pretty 
> cheap light-weight ones that will do the job well.

Yeah. The church doesn't really have anything the right hight to rest 
the camera on. I just want something to hold it still.

Also, the camera seems to need to be a ridiculous distance away to get 
everything in the frame. Is this normal?

> If you plan to get 
> more serious and actually rotate the camera while it's on the tripod 
> then you probably will want a heavier tripod with a smoother head (cheap 
> ones are notoriously jerky when trying to rotate the camera in a smooth 
> motion).

Yeah, well... I don't care about that! ;-)

>> And also bringing a decent friggin microphone to the next session! >_<
> 
> Hehe, sounds like that could get expensive :-)  For a start, where to 
> place the microphoneS?

It's a PIPE ORGAN. I'll just put the mic on the floor at the other end 
of the building or something! ;-)

In seriousness... I understand loud, pure sinusiodal tones (e.g., flute) 
are notoriously difficult to record. (Or so my dad claims.)

Of course, the fun part is synchronising picture to sound...

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> Also, the camera seems to need to be a ridiculous distance away to get 
> everything in the frame. Is this normal?

My camera (it's an old Canon one with mini-DV tape) has a little screw-on 
lens adapter to give a wider field of view, without it you can't get much in 
the frame.

>> Hehe, sounds like that could get expensive :-)  For a start, where to 
>> place the microphoneS?
>
> It's a PIPE ORGAN. I'll just put the mic on the floor at the other end of 
> the building or something! ;-)
>
> In seriousness... I understand loud, pure sinusiodal tones (e.g., flute) 
> are notoriously difficult to record. (Or so my dad claims.)

I would imagine you would get quite a different recorded sound depending on 
where exactly you put the microphones, maybe find out if someone records any 
concerts in another local church and ask their advice?  As a first guess I 
would say the organ pipes were designed so that the usual audience in the 
church would hear the highest quality sound, so just sticking the 
microphones down there would likely be a good start.

> Of course, the fun part is synchronising picture to sound...

That's what clapperboards are for :-)

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scott wrote:
>> Also, the camera seems to need to be a ridiculous distance away to get 
>> everything in the frame. Is this normal?
> 
> My camera (it's an old Canon one with mini-DV tape) has a little 
> screw-on lens adapter to give a wider field of view, without it you 
> can't get much in the frame.

Yeah, well... my camera is clearly designed for portability, not quality.

>>> Hehe, sounds like that could get expensive :-)  For a start, where to 
>>> place the microphoneS?
>>
>> It's a PIPE ORGAN. I'll just put the mic on the floor at the other end 
>> of the building or something! ;-)
>>
>> In seriousness... I understand loud, pure sinusiodal tones (e.g., 
>> flute) are notoriously difficult to record. (Or so my dad claims.)
> 
> I would imagine you would get quite a different recorded sound depending 
> on where exactly you put the microphones.

Actually, some of my videos do sound far better than others, depending 
on where my dad is standing.

> As a 
> first guess I would say the organ pipes were designed so that the usual 
> audience in the church would hear the highest quality sound, so just 
> sticking the microphones down there would likely be a good start.

Trouble is, the audience seating is exactly behind me, so all you'd see 
is my back. But if I'm using a seperate microphone, that shouldn't be 
too bad. Actually the organ sounds OK from where I'm sitting (although 
most of the sound goes over my head - can you see where the pipes are?) 
The only trouble with that is that the manuals make quite a clattering. 
I have to open up quite a few stops to drown that out!

>> Of course, the fun part is synchronising picture to sound...
> 
> That's what clapperboards are for :-)

O RLY? :-P

Can I just maybe clap my hands together? That would work!

(I'm still trying to figure out why I had to manually adjust the 
synchronisation on some of the videos taken with my camera using its 
internal mic... like, WTF? It was 400 ms out!)

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"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> a écrit dans le message de news: 
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> Trouble is, the audience seating is exactly behind me, so all you'd see is 
> my back. But if I'm using a seperate microphone, that shouldn't be too 
> bad. Actually the organ sounds OK from where I'm sitting (although most of 
> the sound goes over my head - can you see where the pipes are?) The only 
> trouble with that is that the manuals make quite a clattering. I have to 
> open up quite a few stops to drown that out!
>
A separate microphone offers the advantage to let you some freedom in 
chosing the place and orientation.
I disagree that audience place is the best. Churchs and even more cathedrals 
are not designed as musical theatres.
They are dedicated to worship, made mainly of stone or brick at least in 
Europe. To make short, the reverb time is veryyyyy long.
All you can do is to get a good balance between direct sound and 
reflections.
The issue is the length of wires between microphones and the camcorder.
A separate device for the sound is a good choice
What I 'm used to now is to make a close take (near the console) with a 
stereo pair aimed to the top of the pipes and an ambient take with a stereo 
pair aimed to the choir. I bought a nice compact device which comes with 4 
built in condenser microphones and records 24 bits 96kHz .wav on SD cards. 
It can bet set to record 2 simultaneous stereo files that you can mix 
aftertime or put in 4channels sound
http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1916

Marc

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Mike Raiford wrote:

> Thanks for that :) an interesting read. So, this is a pretty typical 
> organ, then?

If you're really interested... Start reading here:

http://www.agohq.org/guide/pages/pages_11_15/index.html

and continue through the following few sections. This will tell you the 
names of the divisions of a "typical" organ, which stops are usually in 
each division, and what they're for.

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
>> Mike Raiford wrote:
>>> So, the string division on this organ has dozens of stops?
>>
>> This is from the famous Wanamaker, the largest playable pipe organ in 
>> the entire world. And yes, it is famed for its *vast* string division. 
>> (The organ I played doesn't even have a single string stop. But then, 
>> it's a *church* organ rather than a *theatre* organ.)
> 
> To illustrate:
> 
> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ02Lu8Zuzw
> 

Wow... just .. wow :) Yeah, definitely dos not sound like an organ. More 
tantamount to a modern-day electronic keyboard, but the whole thing is 
physical. Amazing what can be done with pipes.

> [Be sure to click the high-quality one. The sound is a bit better.]
> 
> Doesn't sound much like a "pipe organ", does it? Sounds more like an 
> entire orchestra. That's the difference. It's designed to emulate other 
> instruments as well as being a pipe organ.
>

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Good job - seriously!

By the way, I used to play the piano for my wife all the time when we
first started going out.  You have no idea how many girls love a guy who
can play :)  Unfortunately, there aren't many public places where you
can just walk up to a keyboard and go to town on it - schools and
churches seem to be the only ones.

...Ben Chambers
www.pacificwebguy.com

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Michael Raiford wrote:
> Wow... just .. wow :) Yeah, definitely dos not sound like an organ. More 
> tantamount to a modern-day electronic keyboard, but the whole thing is 
> physical. Amazing what can be done with pipes.

Then there are the (movie) "theatre organs", used for soundtracks before 
film had sound.  They usually had keys for things like gunshots, 
cymbals, snare drums, hoof beats, steam whistles, and so on.

-- 
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)

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Darren New wrote:
> Michael Raiford wrote:
>> Wow... just .. wow :) Yeah, definitely dos not sound like an organ. 
>> More tantamount to a modern-day electronic keyboard, but the whole 
>> thing is physical. Amazing what can be done with pipes.
> 
> Then there are the (movie) "theatre organs", used for soundtracks before 
> film had sound.  They usually had keys for things like gunshots, 
> cymbals, snare drums, hoof beats, steam whistles, and so on.

...and then there's this Wurlitzer rendition:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=G-JrgiWDgmI

Even though the recording quality is pathetic, you still get an 
impression of what an amazing instrument this is.

I still adore the sound of a plain old pipe organ though!

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>> To illustrate:
>>
>> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ02Lu8Zuzw
>>
> 
> Wow... just .. wow :) Yeah, definitely dos not sound like an organ. More 
> tantamount to a modern-day electronic keyboard, but the whole thing is 
> physical. Amazing what can be done with pipes.

Yeah. Isn't it just?

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Chambers wrote:
> Good job - seriously!

Thank you. :-)

Months of practise for multiple hours a day, every day, etc etc.

> By the way, I used to play the piano for my wife all the time when we
> first started going out.  You have no idea how many girls love a guy who
> can play :)  Unfortunately, there aren't many public places where you
> can just walk up to a keyboard and go to town on it - schools and
> churches seem to be the only ones.

O RLY?

So girls like musicians, eh? Is this just in America, or everywhere?

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On 08-Nov-08 9:15, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Chambers wrote:
>> Good job - seriously!
> 
> Thank you. :-)
> 
> Months of practise for multiple hours a day, every day, etc etc.
> 
>> By the way, I used to play the piano for my wife all the time when we
>> first started going out.  You have no idea how many girls love a guy who
>> can play :)  Unfortunately, there aren't many public places where you
>> can just walk up to a keyboard and go to town on it - schools and
>> churches seem to be the only ones.
> 
> O RLY?
> 
> So girls like musicians, eh? Is this just in America, or everywhere?
> 
Some do, everywhere, they are often referred to as 'groupies'.

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Even though the recording quality is pathetic, you still get an 
> impression of what an amazing instrument this is.

That's the best Vox Humana I've heard on a pipe organ.


Ah, this is the kind of thing I was talking about, altho this is 
obviously synthesized rather than a real pipe organ.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=2-Gztizq_4U

-- 
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)

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Darren New wrote:

> That's the best Vox Humana I've heard on a pipe organ.

Damned straight! o_O

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Chambers wrote:
>> Good job - seriously!
> 
> Thank you. :-)
> 
> Months of practise for multiple hours a day, every day, etc etc.
> 
>> By the way, I used to play the piano for my wife all the time when we
>> first started going out.  You have no idea how many girls love a guy who
>> can play :)  Unfortunately, there aren't many public places where you
>> can just walk up to a keyboard and go to town on it - schools and
>> churches seem to be the only ones.
> 
> O RLY?
> 
> So girls like musicians, eh? Is this just in America, or everywhere?
> 

Invite a girl to the church to *help* you play.

make sure it is real cold inside ;-)




Tom

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>> O RLY?
>>
>> So girls like musicians, eh? Is this just in America, or everywhere?
>>
> 
> Invite a girl to the church to *help* you play.
> 
> make sure it is real cold inside ;-)

That's an excellent idea.

Now, where the HELL am I going to find a girl? :-P

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Invisible wrote:
>>> O RLY?
>>>
>>> So girls like musicians, eh? Is this just in America, or everywhere?
>>>
>>
>> Invite a girl to the church to *help* you play.
>>
>> make sure it is real cold inside ;-)
> 
> That's an excellent idea.
> 
> Now, where the HELL am I going to find a girl? :-P


another idea....

keep playing and ( in movie voice inflection ) "they will come......"





Ok, it's hard to give the *movie voice* inflection with pure text.

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>> Invite a girl to the church to *help* you play.
>> 
>> make sure it is real cold inside ;-)
> 
> That's an excellent idea.
> 
> Now, where the HELL am I going to find a girl? :-P

At a church.

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Invisible wrote:


> Now, where the HELL am I going to find a girl? :-P

Well, given the fact that roughly 50% of the human population is female 
... there should be one nearby. :)
-- 
~Mike

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Invisible wrote:
> 
> Now, where the HELL am I going to find a girl? :-P

You can make one. Just make couple of women pregnant and one of them
probably will give you a girl after 40 weeks.

-Aero

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Eero Ahonen wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
>> Now, where the HELL am I going to find a girl? :-P
> 
> You can make one. Just make couple of women pregnant and one of them
> probably will give you a girl after 40 weeks.

Hey! No recursive solutions! :-P

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On 10-Nov-08 17:35, Mike Raiford wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
> 
> 
>> Now, where the HELL am I going to find a girl? :-P
> 
> Well, given the fact that roughly 50% of the human population is female 
> ... there should be one nearby. :)

Yes, but that is his mother.

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> To illustrate:
>>>
>>> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ02Lu8Zuzw
>>>
>>
>> Wow... just .. wow :) Yeah, definitely dos not sound like an organ. 
>> More tantamount to a modern-day electronic keyboard, but the whole 
>> thing is physical. Amazing what can be done with pipes.
> 
> Yeah. Isn't it just?
> 


Hmm. Found off the Wurlitzer video. @ approx 2:30 all of the knobs on 
the console just change , changing the timbre of the organ. This is a 
church organ, but looks to be a pretty good size one.

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>> Michael Raiford wrote:
>>> Wow... just .. wow :) Yeah, definitely dos not sound like an organ. 
>>> More tantamount to a modern-day electronic keyboard, but the whole 
>>> thing is physical. Amazing what can be done with pipes.
>>
>> Then there are the (movie) "theatre organs", used for soundtracks 
>> before film had sound.  They usually had keys for things like 
>> gunshots, cymbals, snare drums, hoof beats, steam whistles, and so on.
> 
> ...and then there's this Wurlitzer rendition:
> 
> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=G-JrgiWDgmI
> 
> Even though the recording quality is pathetic, you still get an 
> impression of what an amazing instrument this is.
> 
> I still adore the sound of a plain old pipe organ though!
> 

Another theater organ. Wow. These things are truly amazing instruments!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bj1i-WrqXC0&feature=related

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Michael Raiford wrote:

> Hmm. Found off the Wurlitzer video. @ approx 2:30 all of the knobs on 
> the console just change , changing the timbre of the organ. This is a 
> church organ, but looks to be a pretty good size one.

Yeah. Somebody pressed a thumb piston or a toe piston. That's what those 
do - change to a preset combination of stops with just one press.

These are obviously more common on organs that are electronically 
controled. (Usually they're then programmable.) But they exist even on 
many purely mechanical organs. (Then they are preset when the organ is 
built.)

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>> You can make one. Just make couple of women pregnant and one of them
>> probably will give you a girl after 40 weeks.
> 
> Hey! No recursive solutions! :-P

Urghh!

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:

> I wonder how many days it will be before some 12 year old posts a 
> comment telling me I suck?

"N'importe quoi!! Où sont les arpèges??? la main droite n'est pas 
correcte, aucune pédale! on a juste une superposition d'accords! seul le 
tempo est juste! Des concertistes et des élèves de conservatoire comme 
moi, se sont cassé les dents sur cette pièce pour des concours et 
examens! Ne diffusons pas des vidéos qui sont irrespectueuses des 
véritables musiciens! Cela reste très amateur et très débutant! Même 
Widor doit se retourner dasn sa tombe !Je ne félicite personne!"

So there you have it then. I suck.

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Invisible wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> 
>> I wonder how many days it will be before some 12 year old posts a 
>> comment telling me I suck?
> 
> "N'importe quoi!! Où sont les arpèges??? la main droite n'est pas 
> correcte, aucune pédale! on a juste une superposition d'accords! seul le 
> tempo est juste! Des concertistes et des élèves de conservatoire comme 
> moi, se sont cassé les dents sur cette pièce pour des concours et 
> examens! Ne diffusons pas des vidéos qui sont irrespectueuses des 
> véritables musiciens! Cela reste très amateur et très débutant! Même 
> Widor doit se retourner dasn sa tombe !Je ne félicite personne!"
> 
> So there you have it then. I suck.

Apparently. If I knew French, I'm sure the criticisms would make more 
sense. Google seemed to translate this pretty well. What this person 
seems to be saying is that you're missing the arpeggios, you're not 
using your right hand correctly, not using the footboard, and just the 
chords, You did get the tempo right, This person is a student who says 
students work hard on this piece for exams and competitions,

Ooh, this one's fighting words: Don't distribute videos that are 
disrespectful of real musicians. This is very amateurish. Widor must be 
turning in his grave.

A couple things that don't make sense in the translation: N'importe quoi 
  translates to Anything. Doesn't make sense, and the last sentence 
translates to "I do congratulate anyone!" again, doesn't make sense. 
Some nuance about the language makes these translations awekward.

Also, I'm not sure if the writer actually meant "I have broken my teeth 
on this piece" or a colloquialism like "I cut my teeth on this piece"

Hmm.

-- 
~Mike

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Mike Raiford wrote:

> Ooh, this one's fighting words: Don't distribute videos that are 
> disrespectful of real musicians. This is very amateurish. Widor must be 
> turning in his grave.

His comments on my second video are similar.

But hey, I guess some people have nothing better to do than sit around 
all day complaining? Do I *look* bothered about this trolls opinion? ;-)

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> But hey, I guess some people have nothing better to do than sit around
> all day complaining?

I don't know, but *you* have better things to do than to worry about
negative criticism from such idiots :)

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