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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: My colour is blue
Date: 2 Nov 2008 07:37:07
Message: <490d9ef3$1@news.povray.org>
"My colour is blue. I value knowledge, logic, and deceit. I love to 
pursue wisdom but also to manipulate and deceive. At my best, I am 
brilliant and progressive. At my worst, I am treacherous and cold. My 
symbol is a water droplet. My enemies are green and red."

This is *so* begging for a parody...

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From: Gail
Subject: Re: My colour is blue
Date: 2 Nov 2008 07:54:30
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"Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
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> "My colour is blue.

Didn't know you were into Magic:The Gathering.
I think last time I took the questionaire, I got White. Not surprising.


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: My colour is blue
Date: 2 Nov 2008 08:08:43
Message: <490da65b@news.povray.org>
Gail wrote:

> Didn't know you were into Magic:The Gathering.

I'm not. This is some random person's signature on a message board 
somewhere.

> I think last time I took the questionaire, I got White. Not surprising.

There's a questionnaire? This I gotta try... ;-)

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From: Gail
Subject: Re: My colour is blue
Date: 2 Nov 2008 14:41:10
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"Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
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> Gail wrote:
>
>> Didn't know you were into Magic:The Gathering.
>
> I'm not. This is some random person's signature on a message board 
> somewhere.

Ah. It's refering the the Magic:The gathering card game. There are 5 colours 
of magic; red, blue, green, white and black


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: My colour is blue
Date: 2 Nov 2008 14:42:34
Message: <490e02aa@news.povray.org>
Gail <gail (at) sql in the wild (dot) co [dot] za> wrote:
> Ah. It's refering the the Magic:The gathering card game. There are 5 colours 
> of magic; red, blue, green, white and black

  How many nerd points should be awarded for knowing that? ;)

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From: Gail
Subject: Re: My colour is blue
Date: 2 Nov 2008 16:01:13
Message: <490e1519@news.povray.org>
"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message 
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> Gail <gail (at) sql in the wild (dot) co [dot] za> wrote:
>> Ah. It's refering the the Magic:The gathering card game. There are 5 
>> colours
>> of magic; red, blue, green, white and black
>
>  How many nerd points should be awarded for knowing that? ;)
>

Do I want to know? <g>
I don't actually play the game, though I know people who do. I havew a bunch 
of cards though. They make great bookmarks.


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From: Patrick Elliott
Subject: Re: My colour is blue
Date: 2 Nov 2008 16:06:45
Message: <490e1665@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> "My colour is blue. I value knowledge, logic, and deceit. I love to 
> pursue wisdom but also to manipulate and deceive. At my best, I am 
> brilliant and progressive. At my worst, I am treacherous and cold. My 
> symbol is a water droplet. My enemies are green and red."
> 
> This is *so* begging for a parody...
> 

Think they got something wrong there.. In my experience, people that 
value knowledge and logic ***despise*** deceit, its the insane people 
that value wishful thinking and *belief* that use deceit all the time to 
not just lie about everyone that doesn't think like they do, but prop up 
the beliefs, so they can pretend that "wishing" does something for anybody.

Then again, this is damn near the modern American standard for 
"immoral". If you value knowledge, instead of wallowing in ignorance, 
you use logic, instead of tradition, then you are a) immoral, b) 
probably an atheist, c) liberal, d) elitist, and e) Anti-American. Where 
did you find this gem, the AFA website? lol

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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: My colour is blue
Date: 2 Nov 2008 16:19:02
Message: <490e1946@news.povray.org>
>>> Didn't know you were into Magic:The Gathering.
>>
>> I'm not. This is some random person's signature on a message board 
>> somewhere.
> 
> Ah. It's refering the the Magic:The gathering card game. There are 5 
> colours of magic; red, blue, green, white and black

Yeah. I remember that from my initial research. ;-)

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From: Gail
Subject: Re: My colour is blue
Date: 2 Nov 2008 16:59:43
Message: <490e22cf@news.povray.org>
"Patrick Elliott" <sel### [at] npgcablecom> wrote in message 
news:490e1665@news.povray.org...
>
> Think they got something wrong there.. In my experience, people that value 
> knowledge and logic ***despise*** deceit, its the insane people that value 
> wishful thinking and *belief* that use deceit all the time to not just lie 
> about everyone that doesn't think like they do, but prop up the beliefs, 
> so they can pretend that "wishing" does something for anybody.

It's got nothing to do with people. It's talking about colours of magic for 
a card game and the traits those colour embody.

White is order, righteousness, healing, law, community.
Green is life, nature, evolution, interdependence.
Blue is intellect, reason, illusion, trickery, dreams
Red is chaos, destruction, passion, fury, freedom
Black is death, power, ambition, greed, corruption.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: My colour is blue
Date: 3 Nov 2008 04:07:14
Message: <490ebf42@news.povray.org>
Gail wrote:

> I don't actually play the game, though I know people who do. I havew a 
> bunch of cards though. They make great bookmarks.

I got as far as reading the rules of the game.

Ouch.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: My colour is blue
Date: 3 Nov 2008 04:30:00
Message: <web.490ec3ec23dd7dce208d05c80@news.povray.org>
"Gail" <gail (at) sql in the wild (dot) co [dot] za> wrote:
> "Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
> news:490da65b@news.povray.org...
> > Gail wrote:
> >
> >> Didn't know you were into Magic:The Gathering.
> >
> > I'm not. This is some random person's signature on a message board
> > somewhere.
>
> Ah. It's refering the the Magic:The gathering card game. There are 5 colours
> of magic; red, blue, green, white and black

I thought the colour of magic was Octarine. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_Discworld_concepts#Octarine


Stephen


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From: Gail
Subject: Re: My colour is blue
Date: 3 Nov 2008 05:22:41
Message: <490ed0f1@news.povray.org>
"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
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> Gail wrote:
>
>> I don't actually play the game, though I know people who do. I havew a 
>> bunch of cards though. They make great bookmarks.
>
> I got as far as reading the rules of the game.
>
> Ouch.

Yeah. It's complex. It's got more and more so over the years as more options 
are added, more card types, etc.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: My colour is blue
Date: 3 Nov 2008 05:52:53
Message: <490ed805$1@news.povray.org>
>> I got as far as reading the rules of the game.
>>
>> Ouch.
> 
> Yeah. It's complex. It's got more and more so over the years as more 
> options are added, more card types, etc.

Yeah. Like somebody said "each turn you lay down a card and then the 
other person does"... and sure, that's "essentially" how you play it... 
but the Official rules are *way* more complicated than that! Each turn 
there are half a dozen optional things you can do if you want to ("but 
usually players don't"), and rules that apply in special obscure cases 
and... Jesus, does anybody actually *play* this game?! o_O

Still, the only reason I enquired was this:

http://www.bash.org/?106851


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From: Gail
Subject: Re: My colour is blue
Date: 3 Nov 2008 09:04:22
Message: <490f04e6@news.povray.org>
"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
news:490ed805$1@news.povray.org...
>>> I got as far as reading the rules of the game.
>>>
>>> Ouch.
>>
>> Yeah. It's complex. It's got more and more so over the years as more 
>> options are added, more card types, etc.
>
> Yeah. Like somebody said "each turn you lay down a card and then the other 
> person does"... and sure, that's "essentially" how you play it...

More accuratly, each turn you tap your lands, play some creatures (to block 
or attack) and cast some spells

>  Jesus, does anybody actually *play* this game?! o_O

Lots. There are lots of tournaments every year all over the world. If
I visit the local gaming shop over the weekend, there'll be anywhere between
3 and 5 games in progress. At gaming conventions there are usually hundreds
of people playing.

You think it would still be around and still getting additions, new chapters
and the like if no one played it?


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: My colour is blue
Date: 3 Nov 2008 09:08:38
Message: <490f05e6@news.povray.org>
>> Yeah. Like somebody said "each turn you lay down a card and then the 
>> other person does"... and sure, that's "essentially" how you play it...
> 
> More accuratly, each turn you tap your lands, play some creatures (to 
> block or attack) and cast some spells

Indeed. But looking at the Official rules... well let me put it this 
way. If you need to actually include a flowchart just to explain what 
the rules are, the rules are too complicated. :-P

>>  Jesus, does anybody actually *play* this game?! o_O
> 
> Lots. There are lots of tournaments every year all over the world.
> 
> You think it would still be around and still getting additions, new 
> chapters and the like if no one played it?

Logically, I guess not. But on the other hand, the game seems too 
absurdly complicated to actually play...

(Also... how do you know it's still getting new additions? Oh, wait, 
it's Gail. Heh. OK, I rephrase: how would anybody else know that?)

BTW, I attempted to visit the official site shortly after this thread 
began. But I figured I'd have to cast some kind of time-travel spell to 
get to the part where the site finishes loading. Jesus it was slow! o_O


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From: Gail
Subject: Re: My colour is blue
Date: 3 Nov 2008 09:34:02
Message: <490f0bda@news.povray.org>
"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
news:490f05e6@news.povray.org...

> Indeed. But looking at the Official rules... well let me put it this way. 
> If you need to actually include a flowchart just to explain what the rules 
> are, the rules are too complicated. :-P

Why do you think I don't play? (other than the cost of all the cards)

> (Also... how do you know it's still getting new additions? Oh, wait, it's 
> Gail. Heh. OK, I rephrase: how would anybody else know that?)

I'm a gamer. Roleplaying, not cards, but the news still gets around and many 
people play both
New Magic additions are as much news as new roleplaying books or new 
editions of games. Also I usually visit gaming shops every couple months and 
see the Magic cards (and all the other collectable card games) on sale. Add 
to that the posters advertising new releases at the shops, on the websites 
and at conventions.

It's kinda like asking if you would know when a new edition of Haskall is 
released.

If you were into the game, you'd probably visit forums on it daily, plus the 
official site and know months in advance about new additions. I just know 
there are ones. Don't know how recent, don't know the names of the latest 
expansions

> BTW, I attempted to visit the official site shortly after this thread 
> began. But I figured I'd have to cast some kind of time-travel spell to 
> get to the part where the site finishes loading. Jesus it was slow! o_O

Yeah. Wizards is pretty good at games, terrible at websites and web apps.
You're lucky it loads at all. I keep getting errors. It worked a lot better 
(faster, more reliable) before they decided to move the entire site to 
flash.

You can skip the entire opening flash movie. Doesn't make it much faster 
though
http://www.wizards.com/magic/TCG/Default.aspx


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: My colour is blue
Date: 3 Nov 2008 09:39:37
Message: <490f0d29@news.povray.org>
>> Indeed. But looking at the Official rules... well let me put it this 
>> way. If you need to actually include a flowchart just to explain what 
>> the rules are, the rules are too complicated. :-P
> 
> Why do you think I don't play? (other than the cost of all the cards)

Hahaha! Riiight...

(Wait - so you're saying if the rules were simpler, you *would* be 
playing it?)

>> (Also... how do you know it's still getting new additions? Oh, wait, 
>> it's Gail. Heh. OK, I rephrase: how would anybody else know that?)
> 
> It's kinda like asking if you would know when a new edition of Haskall 
> is released.

Actually, that's not a bad analogy.

When the next revision of the Haskell language standard is released (due 
to be next year or so), *nobody* except me will actually know [or care] 
about it. :-(

>> BTW, I attempted to visit the official site shortly after this thread 
>> began. But I figured I'd have to cast some kind of time-travel spell 
>> to get to the part where the site finishes loading. Jesus it was slow! 
>> o_O
> 
> Yeah. Wizards is pretty good at games, terrible at websites and web apps.

Heh. This is apparently quite common... I've seen no end of websites for 
pipe organ builders. Some of these firms have been in business for 
centuries - yet their websites look like something from the Web 0.5 era.

> You're lucky it loads at all. I keep getting errors. It worked a lot 
> better (faster, more reliable) before they decided to move the entire 
> site to flash.

Yeah, I'll bet!

I don't get any errors, it just loads very slowly. OTOH, there seems to 
be something strange going on with my home PC... I don't know if it's my 
actual Internet connection or just my copy of Firefox, but I'm noticing 
multiple websites being extremely slow lately...


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From: m a r c
Subject: Re: My colour is blue
Date: 3 Nov 2008 10:27:50
Message: <490f1876$1@news.povray.org>
"Stephen" <mcavoys_AT_aolDOT.com> a écrit dans le message de news: 
web.490ec3ec23dd7dce208d05c80@news.povray.org...
> I thought the colour of magic was Octarine. :)
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_Discworld_concepts#Octarine
>
>
> Stephen
>
Does anybody knows where are Stephen's dried frog pills?

Marc


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: My colour is blue
Date: 3 Nov 2008 11:05:40
Message: <490f2154$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> Yeah. Like somebody said "each turn you lay down a card and then the 
> other person does"... and sure, that's "essentially" how you play it... 
> but the Official rules are *way* more complicated than that! Each turn 
> there are half a dozen optional things you can do if you want to ("but 
> usually players don't"), and rules that apply in special obscure cases 
> and... Jesus, does anybody actually *play* this game?! o_O

Sounds like Perl.

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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: My colour is blue
Date: 3 Nov 2008 11:07:56
Message: <490f21dc$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> Indeed. But looking at the Official rules... well let me put it this 
> way. If you need to actually include a flowchart just to explain what 
> the rules are, the rules are too complicated. :-P

I have played a card game called FLUXX. The rules are printed on the 
cards, and change as you play the game. It's really quite fun and 
hilarious. Not really something young kids could get into, but a game 
with family and friends is very entertaining.

> (Also... how do you know it's still getting new additions? 

The same way you know the next version of Windows will be shinier and 
have more not-really-needed features: the authors don't make money 
otherwise.

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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: My colour is blue
Date: 3 Nov 2008 11:12:17
Message: <490f22e1$1@news.povray.org>
Darren New wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
>> Yeah. Like somebody said "each turn you lay down a card and then the 
>> other person does"... and sure, that's "essentially" how you play 
>> it... but the Official rules are *way* more complicated than that! 
>> Each turn there are half a dozen optional things you can do if you 
>> want to ("but usually players don't"), and rules that apply in special 
>> obscure cases and... Jesus, does anybody actually *play* this game?! o_O
> 
> Sounds like Perl.

LMAO!

I'm not sure who's 0wned the most - Magic or Perl! :-D


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: My colour is blue
Date: 3 Nov 2008 11:35:00
Message: <web.490f272023dd7dce6117f2130@news.povray.org>
"m_a_r_c" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> wrote:
> "Stephen" <mcavoys_AT_aolDOT.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
> web.490ec3ec23dd7dce208d05c80@news.povray.org...
> > I thought the colour of magic was Octarine. :)
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_Discworld_concepts#Octarine
> >
> >
> > Stephen
> >
> Does anybody knows where are Stephen's dried frog pills?
>

I’ve run out, Marc.
And I’ve got a bad case of reality :(

I’ve just finished reading “Nation” OK for a kid’s book :)


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From: Shay
Subject: Re: My colour is blue
Date: 3 Nov 2008 17:03:20
Message: <490f7528$1@news.povray.org>
Patrick Elliott wrote:

> 
> Then again, this is damn near the modern American standard for 
> "immoral". If you value knowledge, instead of wallowing in
> ignorance, you use logic, instead of tradition, then you are
> a) immoral, b) probably an atheist, c) liberal, d) elitist, and
> e) Anti-American.

Would that be 'l'ogic or 'L'ogic? The big L version as I have seen it 
applied is 95% moral equivalency, so most of those would apply.

  -Shay


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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: My colour is blue
Date: 3 Nov 2008 21:00:52
Message: <490facd4@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>> Sounds like Perl.
> 
> LMAO!
> 
> I'm not sure who's 0wned the most - Magic or Perl! :-D

The creator of Brainfuck once was asked why he had created that language. He
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From: Patrick Elliott
Subject: Re: My colour is blue
Date: 3 Nov 2008 22:26:57
Message: <490fc101$1@news.povray.org>
Gail wrote:
> 
> "Patrick Elliott" <sel### [at] npgcablecom> wrote in message 
> news:490e1665@news.povray.org...
>>
>> Think they got something wrong there.. In my experience, people that 
>> value knowledge and logic ***despise*** deceit, its the insane people 
>> that value wishful thinking and *belief* that use deceit all the time 
>> to not just lie about everyone that doesn't think like they do, but 
>> prop up the beliefs, so they can pretend that "wishing" does something 
>> for anybody.
> 
> It's got nothing to do with people. It's talking about colours of magic 
> for a card game and the traits those colour embody.
> 
> White is order, righteousness, healing, law, community.
> Green is life, nature, evolution, interdependence.
> Blue is intellect, reason, illusion, trickery, dreams
> Red is chaos, destruction, passion, fury, freedom
> Black is death, power, ambition, greed, corruption.
> 

Yeah. Figure that out later. But.. its damn near the **exact** argument 
that the GOP uses to disparage every idea, person or social concept they 
don't like recently. Its, "Oh, you are an elitist (knowledgable) 
materialist (logic oriented), so... by definition you must lie all the 
time!" Its just funny that this is expressed so succinctly in a 
fictional game, given how common place the association has become IRL.

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void main () {
   If Schrödingers_cat is alive or version > 98 {
     if version = "Vista" {
       call slow_by_half();
       call DRM_everything();
     }
     call functional_code();
   }
   else
     call crash_windows();
}

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From: Patrick Elliott
Subject: Re: My colour is blue
Date: 3 Nov 2008 22:34:57
Message: <490fc2e1$1@news.povray.org>
Shay wrote:
> Patrick Elliott wrote:
> 
>>
>> Then again, this is damn near the modern American standard for 
>> "immoral". If you value knowledge, instead of wallowing in
>> ignorance, you use logic, instead of tradition, then you are
>> a) immoral, b) probably an atheist, c) liberal, d) elitist, and
>> e) Anti-American.
> 
> Would that be 'l'ogic or 'L'ogic? The big L version as I have seen it 
> applied is 95% moral equivalency, so most of those would apply.
> 
If you don't think that anyone making such claims doesn't apply moral 
equivalences, then you are not paying attention. Seriously, they have 
to. The only way they can manage to remain sane, and still claim that 
their belief system guides their morals, instead of their 
"interpretation" of the belief system being based on their morals, is by 
  spinning like a bloody top.

Most of what gets called "moral equivalence" is people honestly trying 
to work out what is right and wrong, based on how it effects others, and 
not based on the backwards method of deciding that X must be true, 
therefor it **must** have Y effect, even without evidence, and 
therefore, somehow, belief Z must **say so** some place, then spending a 
lot of time turning the "l" logic into a pretzel, along with their 
mythologies, looking for some way to justify that conclusion. I have yet 
to find any "honest" person on that side of things that can "prove" 
their moral code, without, when pressed, resorting to repeating 
assertions, or admitting that it was either **purely** what they where 
a) taught to believe, or b) they fell should be true. Its A = B, so B = 
A, where A in fruit, and B is an orange, but since their conclusion 
"demands" that all fruit be oranges, they simply "assert" this to be 
true, then stare in confusion at you when you dare to point out that no 
such correlation has been proven.

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void main () {
   If Schrödingers_cat is alive or version > 98 {
     if version = "Vista" {
       call slow_by_half();
       call DRM_everything();
     }
     call functional_code();
   }
   else
     call crash_windows();
}

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