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On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 11:38:22 +0000, Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] dev null> wrote:
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>Heh. I never did comprehend the whole left wing/right wing thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-right_politics
>I just
>tend to think that all politicians are inherantly power-hungry, lying,
>cheating, manipulative, evil scum. It's a very simple thing to remember. ;-)
Mostly true but beware idealists :)
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Regards
Stephen
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>> Heh. I never did comprehend the whole left wing/right wing thing.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-right_politics
Um... ouch?
>> I just
>> tend to think that all politicians are inherantly power-hungry, lying,
>> cheating, manipulative, evil scum. It's a very simple thing to remember. ;-)
>
> Mostly true but beware idealists :)
Heh. I thought those were extinct now?
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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On 02-Nov-08 12:38, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> ...then I'm guessing it also helps to know what a "republican" is too.
>>>
>> I had a problem remembering who was who too. What helps for me is that
>> democrats put the need of the people first (or at least they suggest
>> that) while republicans put the need of the nation first (assuming
>> that the interest of themselves coincides with the interest of the
>> nation).
>> From this it is not hard to infer that Clinton and Obama are
>> democrats whereas the Bushes, Reagan and McCain are republicans. I
>> hope that helps.
>
> Heh. I never did comprehend the whole left wing/right wing thing.
left/right does not really describe it fully. Not even in the US.
> I just tend to think that all politicians are inherently power-hungry,
> lying, cheating, manipulative, evil scum.
No that are just the ones you see on the TV. These are the ones that
either got a top position by being power hungry or are incompetent
enough to hit the headlines before they got there. Still most of the
politicians are motivated and more or less competent. Unfortunately you
have your scum at any level, so even the local politicians (and
professors, managers, bankers... for that matter) will seem to be all
corrupt.
> It's a very simple thing to remember.
That will not make it easy to vote. I assume you don't do that.
>;-)
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On 02-Nov-08 12:57, Stephen wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 11:38:22 +0000, Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
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>> Heh. I never did comprehend the whole left wing/right wing thing.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-right_politics
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>
I am confused by the headings
Modern international use of the terms
versus
Modern U.S. use of the terms
Did I miss something?
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>> Heh. I never did comprehend the whole left wing/right wing thing.
> left/right does not really describe it fully. Not even in the US.
As I understand it, it's only meant to be a first-level summary.
>> I just tend to think that all politicians are inherently power-hungry,
>> lying, cheating, manipulative, evil scum.
> No that are just the ones you see on the TV.
Heh, maybe you're right.
>> It's a very simple thing to remember.
> That will not make it easy to vote. I assume you don't do that.
No. When all politicians are equally evil, it doesn't seem to matter
which one you pick.
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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On 02-Nov-08 13:31, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> Heh. I never did comprehend the whole left wing/right wing thing.
>> left/right does not really describe it fully. Not even in the US.
>
> As I understand it, it's only meant to be a first-level summary.
It mostly works in two party states. If you live in a country where
there are 10 or more parties in parliament you realize that politics is
a multi dimensional space.
BTW IMHO it is slightly more subtle. It is not the case that politicians
and parties can be divided in left and right, but voters can be divided
in those that dislike lefties and those that hate right wing bastards.
Many of them will deny that they are right or left wing themselves.
Still you can identify the non-left and the non-right parties. You might
equate non-left with right, but that does not do them justice ;)
>>> It's a very simple thing to remember.
>> That will not make it easy to vote. I assume you don't do that.
>
> No. When all politicians are equally evil, it doesn't seem to matter
> which one you pick.
Next election watch the people not the party. Vote for someone you trust
and see if (s)he delivers. If you do not know enough of the people, the
best ones are often the women that are more intelligent than the leader.
You know how he got there and she does too.
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On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 13:32:44 +0100, andrel <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
>On 02-Nov-08 12:57, Stephen wrote:
>> On Sun, 02 Nov 2008 11:38:22 +0000, Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>>
>>> Heh. I never did comprehend the whole left wing/right wing thing.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-right_politics
>>
>>
>I am confused by the headings
>Modern international use of the terms
>versus
>Modern U.S. use of the terms
>
>Did I miss something?
You have got to remember the far left is Fascist-ism (sp?) and the far right is
hard to distinguish from that.
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Regards
Stephen
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
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> No. When all politicians are equally evil, it doesn't seem to matter
> which one you pick.
>
You'll need to pick one who values same thing (for himself, naturally)
as you do (for yourself, naturally).
-Aero
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Stephen <mcavoysAT@aoldotcom> wrote:
> You have got to remember the far left is Fascist-ism (sp?) and the far right is
> hard to distinguish from that.
I thought far left is communism and far right is fascism/nazism.
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- Warp
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Heh. I never did comprehend the whole left wing/right wing thing.
FWIW, me neither.
>>>They originally referred to the seating arrangements in the various
legislative bodies of France,
Ah, that might help explain my confusion. :-)
There's also the whole "liberal/conservative" bit, which also doesn't
mean what the words say.
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
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