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"nemesis" <nam### [at] nospamgmail com> wrote in message
news:4908f0ba$1@news.povray.org...
> Tim Cook wrote:
>> Ah, they had one of those at the local Best Buy. Sure, it's cute, but
>> it's too tiny to type on! Crazy high resolution for such a small screen
>> though.
>
> If I was to buy one of these, I would type with a pen. :)
>
> On the downside, I'd feel lost without keyboard shortcuts in text
> editors... :(
Yes, typing is a pain... Moreso, because Home, PgUp, PgDn, End., are only
accessible via the "fn" (function) key, which essentially means that you can
generally forget about using home and end, and just arrow up, down, left,
right... It seems like they could have used some of the space beside the
touch pad to add a few more keys.
Aside from that, I still love it. It's just not a machine that you really
want to use to type a lot of emails, or program on. How can you program
without pgup and pgdn being easily accessible? But again, if you really
wanted to do that stuff, you could always hook it up to a real keyboard,
mouse, monitor, but presumably, you'd have a "real" computer to do that
with.
I feel it's more of an extension to an existing network of computers, which
can be used for "light duty" work. It's nice to be able to play poker
(online) while sitting in the living room with my family, rather than
retiring to the basement to play for the evening. Likewise, I can remotely
control my desktop to re-run a POV-Ray render with a couple minor changes,
without having to run up and down the stairs every 15-30 minutes to check
progress. Maybe I could even do both at once. ;-)
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Jeremy M. Praay wrote:
> How can you program without pgup and pgdn being easily accessible?
VI!
I mean, really, use the editor they created when "control" was the only
special key on the keyboard. :)
Granted, it doesn't help for a lot of the stuff Windows has, like email
and web and all... That's one thing UNIX managed to get right. (Which
has its own disadvantages as well, of course.)
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
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Darren New escreveu:
> Jeremy M. Praay wrote:
>> How can you program without pgup and pgdn being easily accessible?
>
> VI!
>
> I mean, really, use the editor they created when "control" was the only
> special key on the keyboard. :)
>
> Granted, it doesn't help for a lot of the stuff Windows has, like email
> and web and all... That's one thing UNIX managed to get right. (Which
> has its own disadvantages as well, of course.)
Of course you know email and the web were born on Unix, right? If they
were born from Windows, you'd type http:\\www.povray.org ;)
VI is fine and indeed one can achieve much in it even with just 2
fingers, but Emacs would suffer... :P
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nemesis wrote:
> Of course you know email and the web were born on Unix, right?
Of course. And composing email on a pre-X UNIX box involved invoking the
editor.
The kinds of "problems" I was talking about are things like Vi being
really bad at (say) speech recognition, stylus input, multi-touch pad
support, stuff like that. On a traditional keyboard, it works fine.
And I still think WordStar had the best layout of control keys ever. :-)
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
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Darren New escreveu:
> nemesis wrote:
>> Of course you know email and the web were born on Unix, right?
>
> Of course. And composing email on a pre-X UNIX box involved invoking the
> editor.
So what? You can still do it today. I just prefer webmail, though.
I'm using Thunderbird just for NNTP.
> The kinds of "problems" I was talking about are things like Vi being
> really bad at (say) speech recognition
I'm pretty sure speech recognition doesn't belong to a text editor, but
some external lib doing the conversion for it.
> stylus input, multi-touch pad
> support, stuff like that.
You gotta be kiddin! Stylus and multi-touch are useful for drawing or
moving cursors around, not text editing, because it's not precise.
3y} copies 3 (large?) blocks/paragraphs in vim. Try to do that with a
mouse, stylus or your finger and marvel at how slow and imprecise it is
to get it right. Most people I know who use the mouse for text editing
always get it wrong: they either miss the space in the beginning and
when pasting have to re-indent, or miss the final char or whatever.
It's slow and imprecise because it's analogical.
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nemesis wrote:
> Darren New escreveu:
>> nemesis wrote:
>>> Of course you know email and the web were born on Unix, right?
>>
>> Of course. And composing email on a pre-X UNIX box involved invoking
>> the editor.
>
> So what? You can still do it today. I just prefer webmail, though. I'm
> using Thunderbird just for NNTP.
I'm not sure why you seem to be arguing with me when I'm agreeing with
you. What is the "so what" supposed to mean?
> I'm pretty sure speech recognition doesn't belong to a text editor, but
> some external lib doing the conversion for it.
Yeah, OK. Why don't you try to navigate in a Vi window or an emacs
window using speech recognition? Think about it.
Plus, of course, you'd need the speech recognition to be able to
actually insert what you're saying into the widget you're typing at.
Considering things like thunderbird don't get this right under Windows,
I'd be surprised if something like vi or emacs did.
>> stylus input, multi-touch pad support, stuff like that.
>
> You gotta be kiddin! Stylus and multi-touch are useful for drawing or
> moving cursors around, not text editing, because it's not precise.
Good. Go use vi without a keyboard. I dare ya.
> 3y} copies 3 (large?) blocks/paragraphs in vim. Try to do that with a
> mouse, stylus or your finger and marvel at how slow and imprecise it is
> to get it right.
Why do you say "You gotta be kiddin!" and then agree with me? I'm not
following.
> It's slow and imprecise because it's analogical.
Um, yes. That's my point. Why are you disagreeing with me?
"vi is hard to use without a keyboard."
"Don't be stupid! It's hard to use without a keyboard!"
Huh?
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
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>> Hell, the whole point of ray tracing is that it lets you draw endless
>> shiny things!! o_O
>
> Ah, so there's the attraction. Raytracing allows you to create shiny
> things with relative ease.
Indeed yes. And with POV-Ray's Turing-complete SDL, you can even animate
those shiny things according to Newton's laws of motion! :-D
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Does not follow. You sounded sarcastic.
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nemesis wrote:
> Of course you know email and the web were born on Unix, right? If they
> were born from Windows, you'd type http:\\www.povray.org ;)
The funny thing is, in firefox at least, that works XD
--
~Mike
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Darren New wrote:
>
> And I still think WordStar had the best layout of control keys ever. :-)
>
wasn't wordstar the one that had the help section that took up half the
screen... ;)
At least it did on the kaypro and the xt. I forget which version it was.
--
~Mike
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