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Darren New wrote:
> Have you considered what happens to your data if you lose the HD? Is
> there anything on there of enough value that you're screwed if it gets
> stolen? A NOC list, perhaps?
LOL! And now I'm thinking about that ridiculous scene from Mission
Impossible 2.
You know the one I'm talking about. The NOC list resides on a
stand-alone computer in a sealed vault. [This itself is highly
implausible. Surely people need to access that thing all the time?]
The vault features a state-of-the-art alarm system, including
temparature sensors, sound sensors, floor pressure sensors, and a
friggin *laser grill* over the air vent!
This state-of-the-art system does not, however, feature any room motion
sensors, which can be picked up from your local Maplin for about £5. I
shudder to think what it costs to purchase, install, calibrate and
maintain a laser grill.
This alarm system also does *not* include sensors to maybe, um, detect
that somebody is typing stuff into the computer when the room is
supposed to be empty. Like, WTF? Are you *kidding* me??
Better yet, why doesn't arming the alarm _disable the keyboard_?? How
hard would that be?
If we assume that the only copy of the NOC list exists inside the
harddrive of the computer, if the alarm system disables the computer in
some way, you'd have two options left for getting at the data.
Option 1 is to open the computer's casing and remove the harddrive.
Since presumably the case is alarmed, you'd probably have to drill in.
And you know what? Dills are really noisy. Alternatively, laser your way
in. Mmm, that should heat the room up nicely, eh?
[I won't even comment on the concept of having a temperature sensor in
an air-conditioned room...]
Option 2 would be to install some kind of electronic bugging device to
passively detect signals from inside the computer and relay them to you
somehow. (Perhaps you install a short-range transmitter and an antenna
in the air vent connected to a long cable? IDK. But given *sane*
security precautions, this seems like the only really plausible tactic.
Of course, from what I've seen of major governments, if you want the NOC
list you don't need to break into a sealed vault; it's probably laying
on a seat on a train somewhere. ;-)
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Invisible wrote:
>
> This alarm system also does *not* include sensors to maybe, um, detect
> that somebody is typing stuff into the computer when the room is
> supposed to be empty. Like, WTF? Are you *kidding* me??
>
> Better yet, why doesn't arming the alarm _disable the keyboard_?? How
> hard would that be?
It wouldn't be hard, but it would ruin the movie.
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Eero Ahonen wrote:
> It wouldn't be hard, but it would ruin the movie.
Yeah, but come ON! An entire movie based on something as absurd as that?
What's next? A movie where they extract dinosaur DNA from foscils a--
hey, wait a sec...
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Invisible wrote:
> Eero Ahonen wrote:
>
>> It wouldn't be hard, but it would ruin the movie.
>
> Yeah, but come ON! An entire movie based on something as absurd as that?
> What's next? A movie where they extract dinosaur DNA from foscils a--
> hey, wait a sec...
or a movie about a heroic journey to the earth's core to kick start its
spin again to save earth. That was a painfully bad movie. :(
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>> Yeah, but come ON! An entire movie based on something as absurd as
>> that? What's next? A movie where they extract dinosaur DNA from
>> foscils a-- hey, wait a sec...
>
> or a movie about a heroic journey to the earth's core to kick start its
> spin again to save earth. That was a painfully bad movie. :(
Hahahahaha...
Yeah, there are movies with far-fetched concepts which are none the less
great films. (I'm thinking... The Matrix, Hackers, The Crow, Back to the
Future, etc.) And then there are movies with far-fetched concepts which
UTTERLY SUCK. And even movies with perfectly valid concepts that still
completely suck.
The Core was... awful. Much like Event Horizon, actually.
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Invisible wrote:
> The Core was... awful. Much like Event Horizon, actually.
I don't know if I saw Event Horizon. Sphere was another truly awful movie.
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>> The Core was... awful. Much like Event Horizon, actually.
>
> I don't know if I saw Event Horizon. Sphere was another truly awful movie.
Sphere was quite bad.
"Look at it. I bet it's perfect down to the atomic level."
"Yeah. Perfection is a strong message."
Uh... dude, I can *see* its surface rippling with my naked eyes! o_O
But Event Horizon was far worse. Imagine Nightmare on Elmstreet MCMXC,
but in outerspace... that's basically Event Horizon. It's basically a
mindless "OMG, some supernatural thing is trying to kill us!", but in
space instead of rural Texas.
Still, Sam Neil *is* one scary ****er...
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Invisible wrote:
> What's next? A movie where they extract dinosaur DNA from foscils a--
> hey, wait a sec...
They're actually doing this now, by the way. :-) I think they're
finding fossils with enough DNA in different places they can figure out
how to stitch together an entire genome. *And* they're comparing it to
modern reptiles.
--
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>> What's next? A movie where they extract dinosaur DNA from foscils a--
>> hey, wait a sec...
>
> They're actually doing this now, by the way. :-) I think they're
> finding fossils with enough DNA in different places they can figure out
> how to stitch together an entire genome. *And* they're comparing it to
> modern reptiles.
What, you mean despite the minor detail that DNA molecules slowly
decompose into simpler molecules and we're talking about animals that
lived 70,000,000 years ago? :-P
Regardless, I doubt we'll be reanimating any long-dead animals any time
soon. (And even if we did, how would we know if they are accurate
recreations or not? Certainly we couldn't observe any behaviours that
aren't innate. And so on.)
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> What, you mean despite the minor detail that DNA molecules slowly
> decompose into simpler molecules and we're talking about animals that
> lived 70,000,000 years ago? :-P
Yep.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7285683/
Doing the amber trick, too:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9C00EFD61331F93BA25752C1A962958260
> Regardless, I doubt we'll be reanimating any long-dead animals any time
> soon.
Nope, likely not. Altho I wouldn't bet my life on it... :-)
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Darren New wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> What, you mean despite the minor detail that DNA molecules slowly
>> decompose into simpler molecules and we're talking about animals that
>> lived 70,000,000 years ago? :-P
>
> Yep.
Riiiight. Oh well, please, don't let the laws of thermodymanics bother
you... ;-)
>> Regardless, I doubt we'll be reanimating any long-dead animals any
>> time soon.
>
> Nope, likely not. Altho I wouldn't bet my life on it... :-)
That's what the scientists are doing, isn't it? (If JP is anything to go
by...!) ;-)
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> What, you mean despite the minor detail that DNA molecules slowly
>>> decompose into simpler molecules and we're talking about animals that
>>> lived 70,000,000 years ago? :-P
>>
>> Yep.
>
> Riiiight. Oh well, please, don't let the laws of thermodymanics bother
> you... ;-)
>
Well, to be perfectly clear decomp requires either a) enough heat to
break the molecular bonds of a material, or b) chemical reactions,
usually microbial. If the conditions that preserve something doesn't
produce the former, and the later is suspended or halted, then you don't
get as "fast" a decomp. Its.. like the difference between sticking an
book on a shelf for 500 years, or in a sealed glass case, with an inert
gas. The former is going to disintegrate at a rate that varies a great
deal on humidity, temperature, and if anything touches it at all, the
later, might last a billion years, presuming the seal never fails.
However, "some" of the legibility, structure, etc. will fail, so you get
a very fragile, and possibly partly damaged, copy when its all over.
That said, there is also the matter that "some" DNA is more resistant to
that erosion too, so lasts longer (in fact, one entire species, called
water bears, could conceivably survive thousands, or maybe even
millions, of years, in extreme dry, cold, or vacuum, and come back to
life when the conditions allow (they don't really know how long the
things "can" survive in a dormant state, but some revived in like... 200
year old moss, or something). This is because the molecular bonds, sans
anything to "actively" disrupt them, will remain "sort of" intact, and
its possible for some configurations to be so stable, even in a
multi-cell organism, so as to come close to making them indestructible,
at least within a survivable range of conditions. And, finally, its
possible from "some" structure to maybe be preserves, even if some
replacement happens, in which case, since the replacement is likely to
be a chemical process itself, as long as "most" of the structure is
intact, you might be able to predict what was replaced, based on simple
chemical rules.
All of which says only that you can possibly recover scattered fragments
from say 5% of the animal's DNA? But, its **still** way more than
thought possible, and enough to make "some" comparisons. The question
comes down to, if 5% survived, is that the only 5% that "could", and if
not, could other 5% amounts survive in other samples, eventually
resulting in a 70-80% recovery, or some such. An amount that "may" be
sufficient to reconstitute the original pattern (or close enough).
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Patrick Elliott wrote:
> All of which says only that you can possibly recover scattered fragments
> from say 5% of the animal's DNA? But, its **still** way more than
> thought possible, and enough to make "some" comparisons.
Plus, you have millions of copies of the DNA, and you can take
independent pieces of it and put them in the right order. Like having
100 copies of a book, each with pages missing, and putting together one
good copy.
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>> All of which says only that you can possibly recover scattered
>> fragments from say 5% of the animal's DNA? But, its **still** way more
>> than thought possible, and enough to make "some" comparisons.
>
> Plus, you have millions of copies of the DNA, and you can take
> independent pieces of it and put them in the right order. Like having
> 100 copies of a book, each with pages missing, and putting together one
> good copy.
I'm sorry - I thought foscils were "rare"? ;-)
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Invisible wrote:
> I'm sorry - I thought foscils were "rare"? ;-)
It doesn't take a whole lot of fossil to have a million cells in it.
"Humans have an estimated 100 trillion or 10^14 cells; a typical cell
size is 10 µm; a typical cell mass is 1 nanogram."
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Darren New wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
>> I'm sorry - I thought foscils were "rare"? ;-)
>
> It doesn't take a whole lot of fossil to have a million cells in it.
No - but you do need to find a rare cell that hasn't been completely
mineralised... ;-)
(I would anticipate that sorting out cells from different species would
be hard too.)
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> I'm sorry - I thought foscils were "rare"? ;-)
You keep using that word...
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