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I was surprised to hear people say that they actually edit video on a
normal home PC. I had always assumed that was impossible.
It's beginning to look like it _is_ impossible...
First: My video camera records to mini-DVDs. It has two recording modes:
"video" and "VR". I have several disks full of video, all recorded in VR
mode. My mum's DVD player can play them. My dad's DVD player can play
them. My grandparents' ancient DVD player can play them. But every
*computer* under the Sun solemly swears that the DVDs are completely
blank and there is no data to play.
So today I shot some more video, this time recording in "video" mode.
Still my PC swears blind that the disk is actually blank. So I tried to
finalise the disk. Nope, sorry, can't do that. The camera refuses to
finalise. It shows me the option, but the option is disabled.
In a fit of extreme desperation, I consulted the manual. Guess what? The
camera has to be plugged into the mains to enable the "finalise disk"
option. o_O I mean, yeah, I can see why they're do that, but talk about
non-obvious...!
Anyway, I finalised the disk, and suddenly my PC can read it. Yay! I
immediately copied the 1.2 GB "VTS_01_1.VOB" file to my harddrive and
tried to play it. CyberLink PowerDVD immediately opens up and plays the
video. (In the wrong aspect ratio, but it plays.)
Now... how in the name of God do you *edit* the thing?! >_<
My first thought was to try Windows MovieMaker. [Last time I tried it I
found it to be quite useless, but everybody else claims it's fantastic.]
So I opened it up and tried to give it the video file. Nuh-uh. Won't
have it. Not interested. So I renamed the file form *.VOB to *.MPG. Now
WMM sees it. So I ask it to open the file, and... WMM crashes.
(Something about "too many event handlers to register" or something.)
So then I tried to play the renamed file with Windows Movie Player.
Unfortunately, although it does play, it only plays the first 8 seconds,
and then stops.
I tried to use TMPGEnc to transcode it back to MPEG1. This worked,
but... the transcoded file is 8 seconds long.
Next I tried to process it with VirtualDub. For my trouble, I get an
error message about a malformed packet. (Actually, it says "this packet
appears to be malformed or MPEG-2". So I'm guessing MPEG-2 isn't
supported then?)
To summarise: I now have a 1.2 GB video file which I can play, but I
cannot edit in any possible way. What the hell am I supposed to do now? >_<
I just want to cut the video into seperate pieces and remove a few
parts. It's not exactly rocket science...
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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> I was surprised to hear people say that they actually edit video on a
> normal home PC. I had always assumed that was impossible.
>
> It's beginning to look like it _is_ impossible...
It sure isn't.
> (long journey to arrive at a .VOB file on harddisk)
>
> Now... how in the name of God do you *edit* the thing?! >_<
>
> My first thought was to try Windows MovieMaker. [Last time I tried it I
> found it to be quite useless, but everybody else claims it's fantastic.]
> So I opened it up and tried to give it the video file. Nuh-uh. Won't
> have it. Not interested. So I renamed the file form *.VOB to *.MPG.
Don't do that. The video codec might be the same, but the internal file
structure is completely different.
> (...)
>
> To summarise: I now have a 1.2 GB video file which I can play, but I
> cannot edit in any possible way. What the hell am I supposed to do now? >_<
>
> I just want to cut the video into seperate pieces and remove a few
> parts. It's not exactly rocket science...
OK, here are two ways to do it (there are probably thousands more):
The mentioned software is all free or even open source, google will help
you.
1) [If you like virtualdub and don't mind reencoding you video]
a) run your .vob through DGIndex. You will arrive at an .d2v file and an
audio file for each audio track of your .vob
b) write an avisynth script (.avs) to frameserve that .d2v (or use a
tool like virtualdub to generate one)
c) open .avs in virtualdub, add audio tracks, edit, encode
2) [If you don't like to reencode your video]
a) run your .vob through ProjectX (ProjectX is a software originally
designed to split audio and video from a bunch of mpeg2-container
formats used in DVRs and keeping everthing in sync even in presence of
disturbances. Works well for .vob files too. It might be a bit hard to
find a compiled version [license issues], but it is distributed with a
working build.bat file. [Java SDK needed]). You will arrive at a .mpg
(or .m2v depending on settings) and audio files for all your audio tracks.
b) cut and remux with Mpeg2Schnitt (oops, german only, this is what I
use) or Cuttermaran. (Both are capable of cutting MPEG2 without reencoding)
c) in case the cutting software does not do the muxing of vidoe and
audio track, use a program of your choosing to do so for the desired
container format (mplex, bbmpeg, DVDAuthor, mkvmerge, ...)
Manuel
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> (or use a tool like virtualdub to generate one)
that should read "use a tool like gordianknot..."
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I promise, I'll think about whats missing BEFORE I post, next time.
http://www.doom9.org/ is a great resource to find all kinds of software
and guides for video editing, especially DVD backups (which is kind of
what you are trying to do)
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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] dev null> wrote:
> I was surprised to hear people say that they actually edit video on a
> normal home PC. I had always assumed that was impossible.
> It's beginning to look like it _is_ impossible...
It's exactly as impossible as, for example, image editing. *Of course*
it's impossible if you don't have any *software* for that specific purpose.
Of course video editing is one of those fields for which there are good
but expensive commercial software (Adobe and Apple have quite good ones),
but there aren't many even mediocre free software for that purpose. Maybe
it has something to do with demand vs. supply.
> So I renamed the file form *.VOB to *.MPG.
That reminds me of those anecdotes where someone couldn't get a C program
to run, and when asked exactly what he is trying, it results that he is
simply renaming the file from *.c to *.exe.
--
- Warp
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>> It's beginning to look like it _is_ impossible...
>
> It's exactly as impossible as, for example, image editing. *Of course*
> it's impossible if you don't have any *software* for that specific purpose.
Right. So when everybody tells me that WMM is a fantastic piece of
software that everybody in the world uses, they're actually lying?
>> So I renamed the file form *.VOB to *.MPG.
>
> That reminds me of those anecdotes where someone couldn't get a C program
> to run, and when asked exactly what he is trying, it results that he is
> simply renaming the file from *.c to *.exe.
The difference being, of course, that the video data on a DVD *is* MPEG
encoded. :-P
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 21:32:46 +0100, Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>Right. So when everybody tells me that WMM is a fantastic piece of
>software that everybody in the world uses, they're actually lying?
Yes or they only use it for simple things.
--
Regards
Stephen
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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> >> It's beginning to look like it _is_ impossible...
> >
> > It's exactly as impossible as, for example, image editing. *Of course*
> > it's impossible if you don't have any *software* for that specific purpose.
> Right. So when everybody tells me that WMM is a fantastic piece of
> software that everybody in the world uses, they're actually lying?
Probably. Personally I have never heard anyone saying WMM being a video
editing software. (For that matter, I don't consider VirtualDub a video
editing software either. Granted, you can open videos, select a section
of it, apply a few filters and re-encode it to some other format, but that's
about it. That's not really video editing. It's like saying that the
ImageMagick 'convert' utility would be an image editing program. Not really.
It's just a converter program with some additional features. It's not really
an editor.)
*This* is an example of a video editing program:
http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/finalcutpro/
This is another: http://www.adobe.com/products/premiere/
I don't remember any free software alternative right now. As I said,
too low demand + too complicated of a program, I suppose.
> >> So I renamed the file form *.VOB to *.MPG.
> >
> > That reminds me of those anecdotes where someone couldn't get a C program
> > to run, and when asked exactly what he is trying, it results that he is
> > simply renaming the file from *.c to *.exe.
> The difference being, of course, that the video data on a DVD *is* MPEG
> encoded. :-P
The video data may be mpeg-encoded, but that doesn't mean the surrounding
container format is mpeg-compliant. (I don't know if it is.)
It's like you had an mpeg video inside an AVI and then just renamed the
.AVI to .MPG and expect an mpeg player to understand it. (Some players
might actually understand it, but I bet most won't, at least if they have
no support for AVI whatsoever.)
--
- Warp
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>> Right. So when everybody tells me that WMM is a fantastic piece of
>> software that everybody in the world uses, they're actually lying?
>
> Probably. Personally I have never heard anyone saying WMM being a video
> editing software.
Interesting. When I ask people how the hell all those videos on YouTube
are put together, everybody invariably reply "oh, they probably just use
WMM".
> (For that matter, I don't consider VirtualDub a video
> editing software either.
Technically, you can edit video with it. *Technically* you can edit
video with a hex editor. No, it isn't really the same, is it?
> *This* is an example of a video editing program:
> http://www.adobe.com/products/premiere/
My dad has this. (I don't know if he's ever installed it, but he has
it.) Maybe I'll have more luck with that...
> I don't remember any free software alternative right now. As I said,
> too low demand + too complicated of a program, I suppose.
Hmm... Somebody wrote a complete PostScript interpretter just for the
hell of it (there must surely be zero demand for such a thing, and it's
far more complex than any video codec), yet no free video editors? Oh
well, I guess it goes that way sometimes...
>> The difference being, of course, that the video data on a DVD *is* MPEG
>> encoded. :-P
>
> The video data may be mpeg-encoded, but that doesn't mean the surrounding
> container format is mpeg-compliant. (I don't know if it is.)
True. But given that I don't have any tools for manipulating it
correctly, I figured it was worth a shot.
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Somebody wrote a complete PostScript interpretter just for the
> hell of it (there must surely be zero demand for such a thing
...
What?
How do you think printing works on Linux? Or am I mistaking
what "interpreter" you're talking about?
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On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 16:55:38 -0400, Warp wrote:
> I don't remember any free software alternative right now. As I said,
> too low demand + too complicated of a program, I suppose.
Cinelerra is generally considered pretty good for this sort of thing,
however it is about as complex as Blender to learn how to use.
Jim
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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> >> Right. So when everybody tells me that WMM is a fantastic piece of
> >> software that everybody in the world uses, they're actually lying?
> >
> > Probably. Personally I have never heard anyone saying WMM being a video
> > editing software.
> Interesting. When I ask people how the hell all those videos on YouTube
> are put together, everybody invariably reply "oh, they probably just use
> WMM".
Ok, you *can* create more complicated videos with WMM than eg. with
VirtualDub, but as far as I can see it's way more simplistic than a
professional video editing software. I suppose WMM vs. eg. Final Cut Pro
is about the same caliber of difference as Windows Paint vs. Photoshop.
You *can* create some simplistic images with Paint, but... Both Paint and
Windows Movie Maker are really bare-bones programs.
Also, AFAIK, WMM has very poor support for input and output formats,
so it can be quite limited.
Of course if you don't have anything else than WMM, and you are able
to make it work with your video files, try to use it. It's not like I know
of any better free alternative...
> > The video data may be mpeg-encoded, but that doesn't mean the surrounding
> > container format is mpeg-compliant. (I don't know if it is.)
> True. But given that I don't have any tools for manipulating it
> correctly, I figured it was worth a shot.
With mencoder you could stream-copy the DVD to an AVI file, which will
then most probably be openable in WMM, VirtualDub or whatever.
--
- Warp
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Warp wrote:
> The video data may be mpeg-encoded, but that doesn't mean the surrounding
> container format is mpeg-compliant. (I don't know if it is.)
Interestingly, since MPEG is designed to be streamed, there are
synchronization codes in the stream, and players are all supposed to
skip ahead until they find the sync codes. So depending on the container
format, this might work just fine.
For example, MP3 tags can just be stuck at the front of an MP3 stream,
because the MP3 tag spec (i.e., ID3) simply prevents the synchronization
code (0xFFFF, basically) from appearing in the tags. Players look at the
stream, say "Gee, I must be in the middle of a compressed lump of data
that I can't decompress without the beginning, I better skip to the next
sync flag."
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
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> First: My video camera records to mini-DVDs. It has two recording modes:
Out of curiosity, which model is you camera and does it have a DV out
connector (a.k.a. Firewire, i.Link, IEEE1394, what ever)? Makes your
video editing life much easier.
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Michael Zier wrote:
> Out of curiosity, which model is you camera and does it have a DV out
> connector (a.k.a. Firewire, i.Link, IEEE1394, what ever)? Makes your
> video editing life much easier.
The only output is an analogue "composite video" connector (with
seperate analogue audio).
As an aside... I see Maplin are currently selling a video camera for
£40. I find that quite astonishing; last time I checked, it was
impossible to buy any video recording device of any description for less
than about £4,000. I'm really not sure how a 100x price drop has
occurred. (Although I doubt the £40 camera compares favourably to a
£4,000 one!)
Recording to disk rather than some complex tape mechanism probably makes
the device moderately cheaper to manufacture, but it doesn't begin to
account for the fantastic price reduction.
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>> Interesting. When I ask people how the hell all those videos on YouTube
>> are put together, everybody invariably reply "oh, they probably just use
>> WMM".
>
> Ok, you *can* create more complicated videos with WMM than eg. with
> VirtualDub, but as far as I can see it's way more simplistic than a
> professional video editing software.
Yeah, I couldn't persuade it to do much either.
> With mencoder you could stream-copy the DVD to an AVI file, which will
> then most probably be openable in WMM, VirtualDub or whatever.
Last time I played with mencoder I doubt it to be quite tricky to
produce video files that other players would actually play. Still, I
could perhaps try to persuade it to generate a fully uncompressed AVI
file; surely just about everything will handle that...
That only leaves the question of how to shrink it down for upload
purposes. Given that I'm going to be chopping it into many smaller
pieces, hopefully I can get under the 8-day limit. (For some reason, the
video isn't great quality to start with, so compressing it can't hurt
that much.)
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Am Mon, 27 Oct 2008 08:58:35 +0000 schrieb Invisible:
> Michael Zier wrote:
>
>> Out of curiosity, which model is you camera and does it have a DV out
>> connector (a.k.a. Firewire, i.Link, IEEE1394, what ever)? Makes your
>> video editing life much easier.
>
> The only output is an analogue "composite video" connector (with
> seperate analogue audio).
>
That's a real pity. But then there's the thing with the given horse and
its mouth...
And still:
>> Out of curiosity, which model is you camera
Micha
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>> The only output is an analogue "composite video" connector (with
>> seperate analogue audio).
>
> That's a real pity. But then there's the thing with the given horse and
> its mouth...
Yeah. It *was* a gift, after all...
> And still:
>>> Out of curiosity, which model is you camera
I have no idea. Off the top of my head I think it might be Canon, but I
really can't remember.
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>
> To summarise: I now have a 1.2 GB video file which I can play, but I
> cannot edit in any possible way. What the hell am I supposed to do now? >_<
>
> I just want to cut the video into seperate pieces and remove a few
> parts. It's not exactly rocket science...
>
Take a stroll to this site
http://www.videohelp.com/
While it will not answer everything, it may help you with a lot of your
issues.
Tom
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Tom Austin wrote:
> Take a stroll to this site
>
> http://www.videohelp.com/
>
> While it will not answer everything, it may help you with a lot of your
> issues.
I'll do that...
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>> Take a stroll to this site
>>
>> http://www.videohelp.com/
>
> I'll do that...
Much confusion ensures...
Between ffmpeg, mencoder, libavcodec, ffdshow and the myriad of
frontends available, I'm left wondering which way is up. So many bits of
software, all seperate, yet all interrelated somehow. Really confusing!
Mind you, trying to figure out video codecs is no easier. At least
Xiph.org gives their codecs *names*. Others seem to think it's
acceptable to just assign a code number to each standard they issue. The
result is a seemingly never-ending stream of codes, symbols and TLAs
that seems almost indecipherable.
Reading Wikipedia we find that MPEG-4 "is just a container format", but
at the same time "DivX and XviD are different implementations of the
MPEG-4 codec". And as if that wasn't enough, it seems that DivX and XviD
are supposedly different, and yet supposedly they're also the same.
I'm *so* glad I don't need to actually comprehend this stuff... After
all, I'm only trying to edit a DVD, so I only need to worry about MPEG2.
The site did point out something interesting though: Apparently there's
an altered version of VirtualDub that supposedly comprehends MPEG2. If I
can persuade it to transcode the stuff to some uncompressed format then
I'll be able to edit it. I can then recompress it before uploading.
(Ordinarily I'd try to avoid recompressing, but since the video data is
pretty suboptimal to begin with... how bad can it be?)
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> > With mencoder you could stream-copy the DVD to an AVI file, which will
> > then most probably be openable in WMM, VirtualDub or whatever.
> Last time I played with mencoder I doubt it to be quite tricky to
> produce video files that other players would actually play.
I said that you should stream-copy the DVD, not re-encode it to anything.
Something like:
mencoder dvd:// -o thevideo.avi -ovc copy -oac copy
The video (and audio) stream will be the original from the DVD, simply
packaged into an avi file. Since the video stream is most probably mpeg2,
most players and editors should handle it just fine.
--
- Warp
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Invisible wrote:
> Recording to disk rather than some complex tape mechanism probably makes
> the device moderately cheaper to manufacture,
Maybe. Or it may just be that they figured they could sell many more
write-once mini-dvds than they could cheap rewritable tapes. That's
where you actually can make your money - everyone else is going to shop
around for the cheapest camera with the features they want. Few are
going to look at the price of media.
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
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Warp wrote:
> Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>>> With mencoder you could stream-copy the DVD to an AVI file, which will
>>> then most probably be openable in WMM, VirtualDub or whatever.
>
>> Last time I played with mencoder I doubt it to be quite tricky to
>> produce video files that other players would actually play.
>
> I said that you should stream-copy the DVD, not re-encode it to anything.
> Something like:
>
> mencoder dvd:// -o thevideo.avi -ovc copy -oac copy
I think you need a -of avi there...
--
If you shoot at mimes, should you use a silencer? - Steven Wright
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anl
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Darren New wrote:
> Or it may just be that they figured they could sell many more
> write-once mini-dvds than they could cheap rewritable tapes. That's
> where you actually can make your money - everyone else is going to shop
> around for the cheapest camera with the features they want. Few are
> going to look at the price of media.
Yeah, but that's because 3 blank rewritable DVDs cost me, like, £5, and
now I'll never need to buy a blank DVD ever again. Doesn't seem like a
very good profit model to me. ;-)
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> First: My video camera records to mini-DVDs. It has two recording modes:
> "video" and "VR". I have several disks full of video, all recorded in VR
> mode. My mum's DVD player can play them. My dad's DVD player can play
> them. My grandparents' ancient DVD player can play them. But every
> *computer* under the Sun solemly swears that the DVDs are completely
> blank and there is no data to play.
>
> In a fit of extreme desperation, I consulted the manual. Guess what? The
> camera has to be plugged into the mains to enable the "finalise disk"
> option. o_O I mean, yeah, I can see why they're do that, but talk about
> non-obvious...!
>
> Anyway, I finalised the disk, and suddenly my PC can read it. Yay!
Realising that the camera needs to be on mains power before it will
finalise anything, I was actually able to finalise the VR-mode disks. (I
had assumed it wouldn't let me finalise them because they're VR-mode,
which is only allowed for rewritable disks and supposedly isn't
compatible with DVD players.)
My PC can now read these disks too, although they show up with a
different file structure, and Windoze doesn't offer to run the DVD
player program. However, if you manually invoke the DVD software and
hand it the video file, it plays it without difficulty.
> Now... how in the name of God do you *edit* the thing?! >_<
Apparently Virtual Dub doesn't like MPEG2, but there's a thing called
"Virtual Dub Mod" which handles it. I downloaded and installed this last
night, and sure enough it will open and play the video file.
However... the sound is encoded with something called "AC-3", which
apparently isn't supported. So there's no sound. (Recall that the sound
is the part I'm most interested in keeping.)
At first I was truly upset about this. But now it occurs to me: I'm only
trying to *edit* the thing. Virtual Dub Mod can't *decode* the audio,
but it may well still be able to *copy* it regardless. And since it
*can* decode the video, I can still see what I'm editing. This might
actually work...
The slightly clunky alternative is to just cut the physical file into
pieces and see if it still plays. Various sources claim that the MPEG2
container format is supposed to survive this, so we'll see... (But
hopefully I won't need to try this.)
Assuming both of these fail, I guess I'll have to resort to the hated
mencoder. :-(
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"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
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> Yeah, but that's because 3 blank rewritable DVDs cost me, like, £5, and
> now I'll never need to buy a blank DVD ever again. Doesn't seem like a
> very good profit model to me. ;-)
Rewritables don't last forever. I've got 2 that I use for music (for the
car). Tossed one away just a week ago.
Also, just because you use rewritables doesn't mean everyone does.
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>> Yeah, but that's because 3 blank rewritable DVDs cost me, like, £5,
>> and now I'll never need to buy a blank DVD ever again. Doesn't seem
>> like a very good profit model to me. ;-)
>
> Rewritables don't last forever. I've got 2 that I use for music (for the
> car). Tossed one away just a week ago.
I've heard this, and logically it seems plausible. However, I own a
CD-RW that I purchased back in 1996 that still works to this day. I have
no idea how many different Linux distros and music compilations have
been burned on that sucker. Surely it will wear out eventually, but one
CD-RW every 15 years or so doesn't strike me as very profitable.
> Also, just because you use rewritables doesn't mean everyone does.
Well, I use CD-Rs because most stereo systems won't handle CD-RWs. But
the original context here is digital camcorders. Mine supports DVD-RWs,
and thus there is basically no reason for me to ever buy any more.
(Unless they really wear out fast...)
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"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
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> Surely it will wear out eventually, but one CD-RW every 15 years or so
> doesn't strike me as very profitable.
That's not bad. Mine wore out in about a year. I was wiping and re-burning
once a week though
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Gail wrote:
> That's not bad. Mine wore out in about a year. I was wiping and
> re-burning once a week though
Actually, I say I "purchased" it... It was actually the disk that came
free with the CD burner drive. (This was back in the days when even a
CD-ROM drive was several hundred £££ due to the newness of it all.)
Having said that, I have never seen any rewritable optical disk wear
out. I've seen plenty of brand new disks that were not recognised by the
drive, or wouldn't burn, or failed burning part way through. (This used
to be extremely common in the early days - it seems to be quite rare
now.) But I've never seen a disk that used to work eventually stop working.
Actually, wait... I've seen CD-Rs that stopped being readable a few
years after they were burned. Invariably *cheap* CD-Rs, mind you. I
still have disks I burned in 1996 that read fine...
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Invisible wrote:
> Yeah, but that's because 3 blank rewritable DVDs cost me, like, £5
, and
> now I'll never need to buy a blank DVD ever again. Doesn't seem like a
> very good profit model to me. ;-)
OK. When this sort of disk-based camera first came out, they only wrote
to write-once DVDs. I guess people figured it out. :-)
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
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Mueen Nawaz <m.n### [at] ieeeorg> wrote:
> > mencoder dvd:// -o thevideo.avi -ovc copy -oac copy
> I think you need a -of avi there...
Really? I have never needed that. Maybe it's different in the Windows port.
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- Warp
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Warp wrote:
> Mueen Nawaz <m.n### [at] ieeeorg> wrote:
>>> mencoder dvd:// -o thevideo.avi -ovc copy -oac copy
>
>> I think you need a -of avi there...
>
> Really? I have never needed that. Maybe it's different in the Windows port.
I really don't know - never tested it. But that's what -of is for: To
specify the container format.
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Invisible wrote:
> Apparently Virtual Dub doesn't like MPEG2, but there's a thing called
> "Virtual Dub Mod" which handles it. I downloaded and installed this last
> night, and sure enough it will open and play the video file.
>
> However... the sound is encoded with something called "AC-3", which
> apparently isn't supported. So there's no sound. (Recall that the sound
> is the part I'm most interested in keeping.)
>
> At first I was truly upset about this. But now it occurs to me: I'm only
> trying to *edit* the thing. Virtual Dub Mod can't *decode* the audio,
> but it may well still be able to *copy* it regardless. And since it
> *can* decode the video, I can still see what I'm editing. This might
> actually work...
...but no, it doesn't work. Or rather, Virtual Dub Mod will load but not
save MPEG files, and apparently you can't embed MPEG video data into an
AVI container. So I either have to completely decompress the video, or
re-encode it with a different codec.
> The slightly clunky alternative is to just cut the physical file into
> pieces and see if it still plays. Various sources claim that the MPEG2
> container format is supposed to survive this, so we'll see... (But
> hopefully I won't need to try this.)
So I guess this is what I'll be trying next...
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Mueen Nawaz <m.n### [at] ieeeorg> wrote:
> Warp wrote:
> > Mueen Nawaz <m.n### [at] ieeeorg> wrote:
> >>> mencoder dvd:// -o thevideo.avi -ovc copy -oac copy
> >
> >> I think you need a -of avi there...
> >
> > Really? I have never needed that. Maybe it's different in the Windows port.
> I really don't know - never tested it. But that's what -of is for: To
> specify the container format.
As far as I can tell, the default is avi. I have never needed to specify
-of when I'm creating an avi file.
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- Warp
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> and apparently you can't embed MPEG video data into an
> AVI container.
I have never had a problem with dumping an MPEG2 stream into an AVI file.
Maybe VirtualDubMod just has some weird limitation?
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- Warp
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On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:35:53 +0100, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> and apparently you can't embed MPEG video data into an
>> AVI container.
>
> I have never had a problem with dumping an MPEG2 stream into an AVI
> file.
> Maybe VirtualDubMod just has some weird limitation?
One requirement that comes to mind is that you need to have a
VFW-compatible encoder installed to save anything with VirtualDub.
--
FE
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Warp wrote:
> Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> and apparently you can't embed MPEG video data into an
>> AVI container.
>
> I have never had a problem with dumping an MPEG2 stream into an AVI file.
> Maybe VirtualDubMod just has some weird limitation?
Hmm, interesting. Well that's what Virtual Dub Mod complained about...
maybe they just haven't implemented that part yet or something?
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>
> Now... how in the name of God do you *edit* the thing?! >_<
>
You open up the file in The Software(tm), find the person you want to
remove, right-click on his/her head and select "remove this person".
--
Eero "Aero" Ahonen
http://www.zbxt.net
aer### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid
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Hi Orchid XP v8,
I'm not sure if there has been a solution yet (because I only skimmed through
the comments so far) but for converting VOBs to MPGs I use a program called
"VOB2MPG." It can be downloaded at
http://www.svcd2dvd.com/downloads.aspx#VOB2MPG . I haven't used it a lot so I
may not be able to answer many questions about it (but it is a very simple
program when it works). Also there is a video editing program called Wax 2.0e
which is a moderately good (but free!) video editing application. It has an
interface similar to more professional programs and it isn't too hard to learn
for simple things. I hope this helps.
Bridgeofstraws
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