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On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 16:55:38 -0400, Warp wrote:
> I don't remember any free software alternative right now. As I said,
> too low demand + too complicated of a program, I suppose.
Cinelerra is generally considered pretty good for this sort of thing,
however it is about as complex as Blender to learn how to use.
Jim
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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] dev null> wrote:
> >> Right. So when everybody tells me that WMM is a fantastic piece of
> >> software that everybody in the world uses, they're actually lying?
> >
> > Probably. Personally I have never heard anyone saying WMM being a video
> > editing software.
> Interesting. When I ask people how the hell all those videos on YouTube
> are put together, everybody invariably reply "oh, they probably just use
> WMM".
Ok, you *can* create more complicated videos with WMM than eg. with
VirtualDub, but as far as I can see it's way more simplistic than a
professional video editing software. I suppose WMM vs. eg. Final Cut Pro
is about the same caliber of difference as Windows Paint vs. Photoshop.
You *can* create some simplistic images with Paint, but... Both Paint and
Windows Movie Maker are really bare-bones programs.
Also, AFAIK, WMM has very poor support for input and output formats,
so it can be quite limited.
Of course if you don't have anything else than WMM, and you are able
to make it work with your video files, try to use it. It's not like I know
of any better free alternative...
> > The video data may be mpeg-encoded, but that doesn't mean the surrounding
> > container format is mpeg-compliant. (I don't know if it is.)
> True. But given that I don't have any tools for manipulating it
> correctly, I figured it was worth a shot.
With mencoder you could stream-copy the DVD to an AVI file, which will
then most probably be openable in WMM, VirtualDub or whatever.
--
- Warp
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Warp wrote:
> The video data may be mpeg-encoded, but that doesn't mean the surrounding
> container format is mpeg-compliant. (I don't know if it is.)
Interestingly, since MPEG is designed to be streamed, there are
synchronization codes in the stream, and players are all supposed to
skip ahead until they find the sync codes. So depending on the container
format, this might work just fine.
For example, MP3 tags can just be stuck at the front of an MP3 stream,
because the MP3 tag spec (i.e., ID3) simply prevents the synchronization
code (0xFFFF, basically) from appearing in the tags. Players look at the
stream, say "Gee, I must be in the middle of a compressed lump of data
that I can't decompress without the beginning, I better skip to the next
sync flag."
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
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> First: My video camera records to mini-DVDs. It has two recording modes:
Out of curiosity, which model is you camera and does it have a DV out
connector (a.k.a. Firewire, i.Link, IEEE1394, what ever)? Makes your
video editing life much easier.
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Michael Zier wrote:
> Out of curiosity, which model is you camera and does it have a DV out
> connector (a.k.a. Firewire, i.Link, IEEE1394, what ever)? Makes your
> video editing life much easier.
The only output is an analogue "composite video" connector (with
seperate analogue audio).
As an aside... I see Maplin are currently selling a video camera for
£40. I find that quite astonishing; last time I checked, it was
impossible to buy any video recording device of any description for less
than about £4,000. I'm really not sure how a 100x price drop has
occurred. (Although I doubt the £40 camera compares favourably to a
£4,000 one!)
Recording to disk rather than some complex tape mechanism probably makes
the device moderately cheaper to manufacture, but it doesn't begin to
account for the fantastic price reduction.
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>> Interesting. When I ask people how the hell all those videos on YouTube
>> are put together, everybody invariably reply "oh, they probably just use
>> WMM".
>
> Ok, you *can* create more complicated videos with WMM than eg. with
> VirtualDub, but as far as I can see it's way more simplistic than a
> professional video editing software.
Yeah, I couldn't persuade it to do much either.
> With mencoder you could stream-copy the DVD to an AVI file, which will
> then most probably be openable in WMM, VirtualDub or whatever.
Last time I played with mencoder I doubt it to be quite tricky to
produce video files that other players would actually play. Still, I
could perhaps try to persuade it to generate a fully uncompressed AVI
file; surely just about everything will handle that...
That only leaves the question of how to shrink it down for upload
purposes. Given that I'm going to be chopping it into many smaller
pieces, hopefully I can get under the 8-day limit. (For some reason, the
video isn't great quality to start with, so compressing it can't hurt
that much.)
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Am Mon, 27 Oct 2008 08:58:35 +0000 schrieb Invisible:
> Michael Zier wrote:
>
>> Out of curiosity, which model is you camera and does it have a DV out
>> connector (a.k.a. Firewire, i.Link, IEEE1394, what ever)? Makes your
>> video editing life much easier.
>
> The only output is an analogue "composite video" connector (with
> seperate analogue audio).
>
That's a real pity. But then there's the thing with the given horse and
its mouth...
And still:
>> Out of curiosity, which model is you camera
Micha
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>> The only output is an analogue "composite video" connector (with
>> seperate analogue audio).
>
> That's a real pity. But then there's the thing with the given horse and
> its mouth...
Yeah. It *was* a gift, after all...
> And still:
>>> Out of curiosity, which model is you camera
I have no idea. Off the top of my head I think it might be Canon, but I
really can't remember.
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>
> To summarise: I now have a 1.2 GB video file which I can play, but I
> cannot edit in any possible way. What the hell am I supposed to do now? >_<
>
> I just want to cut the video into seperate pieces and remove a few
> parts. It's not exactly rocket science...
>
Take a stroll to this site
http://www.videohelp.com/
While it will not answer everything, it may help you with a lot of your
issues.
Tom
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Tom Austin wrote:
> Take a stroll to this site
>
> http://www.videohelp.com/
>
> While it will not answer everything, it may help you with a lot of your
> issues.
I'll do that...
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