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This is possibly a dumb question, but... how *do* you add a video to
YouTube?
I mean, do you have to register first? What formats to they accept? And
wouldn't it take several years to upload an 80 MB video file??
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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"Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] dev null> wrote in message
news:48f65843$1@news.povray.org...
> This is possibly a dumb question, but... how *do* you add a video to
> YouTube?
>
> I mean, do you have to register first? What formats to they accept? And
> wouldn't it take several years to upload an 80 MB video file??
Here I can UL at 1 Mb/s, so 80 MB would be ~11 minutes.
There's a 1 GB limit.
They take various formats .WMV, .AVI, .MOV, and .MPG etc.
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Tim Attwood <tim### [at] comcastnet> wrote:
> They take various formats .WMV, .AVI, .MOV, and .MPG etc.
If I'm not mistaken, only the last one is a video format. The other three
are container formats and do not specify the video format.
An divx or xvid encoded video in an AVI file should work just fine for
youtube.
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- Warp
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> This is possibly a dumb question, but... how *do* you add a video to
> YouTube?
Dunno about YouTube, but with Google Video you can use your existing google
account (or register one), then simply upload your video, adding any tags
and catergories, descriptions etc. After a few hours it becomes visible on
the site.
> I mean, do you have to register first? What formats to they accept?
I've uploaded DivX and ones made with Windows Movie Makes .wmv. I think
they accept a pretty wide range.
> And wouldn't it take several years to upload an 80 MB video file??
Even with a 256kbit upload link an 80MB file is only going to take 30 mins
or so.
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>> They take various formats .WMV, .AVI, .MOV, and .MPG etc.
>
> If I'm not mistaken, only the last one is a video format. The other three
> are container formats and do not specify the video format.
Yeah, probably. (I'm not 100% sure about WMV though.)
> An divx or xvid encoded video in an AVI file should work just fine for
> youtube.
I don't have any way of generating DivX or Xvid. But IIRC, last time I
tried, no matter what settings I used the picture came out horrifically
blurry. I'd down the quality settings higher and higher, and the file
got larger and larger, but there was no visible improvement in the
picture. (OTOH, there seemed to be several million settings to adjust...)
Since my camcorder records onto 8cm DVDs which are reputedly playable on
a normal DVD player, I'm presuming it generates MPEG-2. (I'm not sure
how to actually get that off the disk though.)
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Tim Attwood wrote:
> Here I can UL at 1 Mb/s, so 80 MB would be ~11 minutes.
Well, I get something like 5 Mbit/sec down, 0.1 Mbit/sec up. So 80 MB =
640 Mbit, divided by 0.1 Mbit/sec = 6,400 seconds = 106 minutes = almost
2 hours. Which, actually, isn't as bad as I'd feared.
(For example, downloading KNOPPIX - a 700 MB CD ISO image - took about 3
hours last time I tried. Given how much slower it is to upload than
download, I was thinking it would take years to upload anything of size.)
> There's a 1 GB limit.
What, on YouTube itself?
Mmm, OTOH it would take forever to upload that much data anyway...
I guess a few minutes of DVD video shouldn't be *that* large.
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> I don't have any way of generating DivX or Xvid.
Lots of freeware tools can make it. One GUI tool that I find particularly
easy to use is Xvid4PSP, lots of presets so no need to fiddle about with
command line options if you don't want to.
> Since my camcorder records onto 8cm DVDs which are reputedly playable on a
> normal DVD player, I'm presuming it generates MPEG-2. (I'm not sure how to
> actually get that off the disk though.)
There are much better compression algorithms (ie way lower bitrate for same
quality) than the DVD-standard available. Read the instructions, I'm sure
it will tell you how to get the video on to your computer.
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Invisible wrote:
>> There's a 1 GB limit.
>
> What, on YouTube itself?
Of course, that's the upload limit. The server would re-encode it to a small
(in terms of pixels) 15fps FLV which would surely be a much smaller file.
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Invisible wrote:
> how to actually get that off the disk though.)
A standard DVD's ".VOB" files are mpeg of whatever appropriate stripe.
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> I don't have any way of generating DivX or Xvid. But IIRC, last time I
> tried, no matter what settings I used the picture came out horrifically
> blurry. I'd down the quality settings higher and higher, and the file
> got larger and larger, but there was no visible improvement in the
> picture.
Then all those divx and xvid videos out there which look just fine must
have been created by magic. ;)
> Since my camcorder records onto 8cm DVDs which are reputedly playable on
> a normal DVD player, I'm presuming it generates MPEG-2. (I'm not sure
> how to actually get that off the disk though.)
If you are able to play the DVD videos with your computer, it's rather
trivial to copy the video/audio streams from the DVD to eg. an AVI file.
For example mencoder can do that. There are probably also many Windows
programs which can also do that.
--
- Warp
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>> how to actually get that off the disk though.)
>
> A standard DVD's ".VOB" files are mpeg of whatever appropriate stripe.
Well, that's what I've heard, but aren't they multiplexed in an unusual way?
Also, certainly on the DVDs I've looked at, the video data is split into
several VOB files, seemingly at random. How do I join them back together?
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>> I don't have any way of generating DivX or Xvid. But IIRC, last time I
>> tried, no matter what settings I used the picture came out horrifically
>> blurry. I'd down the quality settings higher and higher, and the file
>> got larger and larger, but there was no visible improvement in the
>> picture.
>
> Then all those divx and xvid videos out there which look just fine must
> have been created by magic. ;)
If I ever come across one, I'll let you know. ;-)
Basically I've never seen a video on the Internet that doesn't look
horribly mutilated. (Presumably due to the bandwidth constrains it has
to fit through...) DVDs, on the other hand, almost always look just fine.
The only exception was when I downloaded Star Wrek. (But that took an
entire day to download.)
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scott wrote:
>> I don't have any way of generating DivX or Xvid.
>
> Lots of freeware tools can make it. One GUI tool that I find
> particularly easy to use is Xvid4PSP, lots of presets so no need to
> fiddle about with command line options if you don't want to.
At one point I had an encoder for either DivX or Xvid, I can't remember
which one. It seemingly had 30,000 options, and none of them seemed to
improve the image quality...
>> Since my camcorder records onto 8cm DVDs which are reputedly playable
>> on a normal DVD player, I'm presuming it generates MPEG-2. (I'm not
>> sure how to actually get that off the disk though.)
>
> There are much better compression algorithms (ie way lower bitrate for
> same quality) than the DVD-standard available. Read the instructions,
> I'm sure it will tell you how to get the video on to your computer.
I'll believe it when I see it. So far DVD is the only compressed video
I've ever seen that doesn't look visibly mutilated by the compression
process.
(E.g., if I take some POV-Ray video data and compress it - using every
codec I could find an encoder for - it always looks awful. If I ask my
DVD maker program to make a DVD out of it, it looks reasonably good.
[Although never as good as a commercial DVD - don't ask me why.])
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> I'll believe it when I see it.
Download something from this page:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/musicandvideo/hdvideo/contentshowcase.aspx
I recommend the Robotica one as a quick test.
> (E.g., if I take some POV-Ray video data and compress it - using every
> codec I could find an encoder for - it always looks awful.
Funny, I regularly encode POV stills using xvid4psp into MP4 format for my
PS3, it looks way better than any DVD.
> [Although never as good as a commercial DVD - don't ask me why.])
Add motion blur? Also the DVD standard allows different bitrates, make sure
you are using the highest one for small animations.
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> If I ever come across one, I'll let you know. ;-)
>
> Basically I've never seen a video on the Internet that doesn't look
> horribly mutilated. (Presumably due to the bandwidth constrains it has to
> fit through...) DVDs, on the other hand, almost always look just fine.
DVDs have a bandwidth of around 10 Mbit/s, but they use an old compression
technology. Using modern codecs on faster processors you can get higher
quality than DVD through 2-5 Mbit/s bandwidth. A friend of mine watches NFL
football over the net, in HD quality, at 2mbit/s. The quality is awesome (I
plugged my laptop into the TV), way better than any normal TV feed or DVD.
I was quite surprised how the quality was that good at such a low bitrate -
but it was using almost 100% of one of my CPUs continuously!
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scott wrote:
> DVDs have a bandwidth of around 10 Mbit/s, but they use an old
> compression technology.
MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 are old, no argument about that. ;-)
> Using modern codecs on faster processors you
> can get higher quality than DVD through 2-5 Mbit/s bandwidth.
You would hope so. It's just that I have yet to see such a thing. Every
codec I have ever tried has produced horrid results, with the exception
of MPEG-1 at really high bitrate, or whatever my DVD authoring software
is using (presumably MPEG-2, no idea what settings).
> A friend
> of mine watches NFL football over the net, in HD quality, at 2mbit/s.
> The quality is awesome (I plugged my laptop into the TV), way better
> than any normal TV feed or DVD. I was quite surprised how the quality
> was that good at such a low bitrate - but it was using almost 100% of
> one of my CPUs continuously!
Now, see, actually *getting* 2 Mbit/sec of real data over the Internet
seems like an impressive feat on its own...
(My Internet connection is supposed to deliver 8 Mbit/sec, but you never
actually get anything approaching that. Plus you're probably talking
about the bitrate of the codec; there's all the framing overhead and so
forth on top of that to consider - although presumably if it's streaming
it'll be UDP, not TCP...)
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>> I'll believe it when I see it.
>
> Download something from this page:
>
>
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/musicandvideo/hdvideo/contentshowcase.aspx
I'll have to try that when I get home later. Obviously my work PC is
barely powerful enough to decode MPEG-1 in near-realtime. ;-)
> Funny, I regularly encode POV stills using xvid4psp into MP4 format for
> my PS3, it looks way better than any DVD.
Ah, OK then. That must be the "magic" Warp mentioned. Certainly it never
worked for me...
>> [Although never as good as a commercial DVD - don't ask me why.])
>
> Add motion blur? Also the DVD standard allows different bitrates, make
> sure you are using the highest one for small animations.
Well, one of my videos is a stationary image who's colours very slowly
change. But on the DVD, the colours seem to remain completely
stationary, except that once every 2 seconds they all change at once...
I'm guessing the video is below the change threshold or something.
The videos involving movement seem to work quite well. Possibly because
they move too fast for you to set and study every individual pixel -
hey, isn't that how perception-based codecs are supposed to work anyhow? ;-)
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Basically I've never seen a video on the Internet that doesn't look
> horribly mutilated.
You clearly don't download pirated TV series and movies. That's very
commendable.
--
- Warp
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Warp wrote:
> You clearly don't download pirated TV series and movies. That's very
> commendable.
I don't download pirated *anything*. [Knowingly, anyway.]
In fact, about the only pirated items I own are... the scores for two
organ tocattas, actually. (One illegally photocopied from a book, one
illegally scanned from a book and downloaded from the Internet.)
Oh yeah, and I have a copy of "Golden Brown" by the Stranglers which I
didn't actually pay for.
Other than that, everything I own is ilegal.
(In the case of Borland's Turbo Pascal 5.5 for DOS, "legal" only because
the license recently changed...)
OTOH, I'm pretty sure that 98% of everything on YouTube is illegal, and
I have watched some of it, so...... ;-)
PS. I have a real TV and there isn't ever anything at on that I *want*
to watch. Why would I try to illegally download it? o_O
PPS. I did watch a pirate copy of The Tuxido at a friend's house once.
Man, why did I bother? I mean, apart from the fact that the film itself
is actually lame, the picture quality was absurd...
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> Other than that, everything I own is ilegal.
YOu heard it here first!
> PPS. I did watch a pirate copy of The Tuxido at a friend's house once.
> Man, why did I bother? I mean, apart from the fact that the film itself is
> actually lame, the picture quality was absurd...
You find that the bitTorrent sites are full of rips from the BluRay HD discs
now, the quality is quite exceptional. So I'm told.
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>> Other than that, everything I own is ilegal.
>
> YOu heard it here first!
OK, well, there *is* that pen I accidentally took home without asking...
:-P
>> PPS. I did watch a pirate copy of The Tuxido at a friend's house once.
>> Man, why did I bother? I mean, apart from the fact that the film
>> itself is actually lame, the picture quality was absurd...
>
> You find that the bitTorrent sites are full of rips from the BluRay HD
> discs now, the quality is quite exceptional. So I'm told.
I think you're missing my point: The stuff on TV is rubbish anyway, so
why would I want to steal it? ;-)
Now, *movies* are another matter... Sometimes a good one comes out. But
it's not exactly expensive to buy them legally.
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Warp wrote:
> > You clearly don't download pirated TV series and movies. That's very
> > commendable.
> I don't download pirated *anything*. [Knowingly, anyway.]
As I said, that's very commendable, and extremely rare for a computer
user (and even rarer for a computer nerd).
But it also explains why you haven't seen divx/xvid videos with good
quality/size ratios. (That is, because I would estimate at least 99% of
divx/xvid/h264 videos out there are illegal.)
> OTOH, I'm pretty sure that 98% of everything on YouTube is illegal, and
> I have watched some of it, so...... ;-)
An interesting question is whether it's punishable to watch a youtube
video which contains copyrighted material or not. After all, you can't
know if the video is copyrighted or not when you click on a youtube link.
There's no way of knowingly avoid downloading the video (or part of it),
other than avoiding youtube altogether. (And even that can be almost
impossible given all the millions of websites out there which *embed*
youtube videos in them. You would have to stop surfing the web completely.)
--
- Warp
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Now, *movies* are another matter... Sometimes a good one comes out. But
> it's not exactly expensive to buy them legally.
And you don't even have to buy it, because there are video rentals.
--
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>> I don't download pirated *anything*. [Knowingly, anyway.]
>
> As I said, that's very commendable, and extremely rare for a computer
> user (and even rarer for a computer nerd).
Really? I wasn't aware of that...
> But it also explains why you haven't seen divx/xvid videos with good
> quality/size ratios. (That is, because I would estimate at least 99% of
> divx/xvid/h264 videos out there are illegal.)
99% of DivX/Xvid/H264? Surely it would be accurate to say "99% of ALL
VIDEO on the Internet"? ;-)
Actually, why the qualifier "video"...? o_O
> An interesting question is whether it's punishable to watch a youtube
> video which contains copyrighted material or not.
Now that *is* an interesting question, actually...
[Presumably the answer depends on where you're watching. Whether it
*should* be punishable is another matter... IMHO, the person illegally
posting stuff should be held responsible, but I guess the law doesn't
always work like that.]
> After all, you can't
> know if the video is copyrighted or not when you click on a youtube link.
Well... if you click on something that mentions the title of a
well-known film, it's more or less guaranteed to be illegal. (Although
in a tiny minority of cases, the poster might geniunely have permission
from the copywrite holder.)
OTOH, videos don't necessarily have helpful captions, and you can't
possibly know of every copywrited item that exists in the world, so yes,
there are definitily cases there the viewer cannot be expected to know
that they are watching pirated material.
> There's no way of knowingly avoid downloading the video (or part of it),
> other than avoiding youtube altogether. (And even that can be almost
> impossible given all the millions of websites out there which *embed*
> youtube videos in them. You would have to stop surfing the web completely.)
Yeah, pretty much...
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> > After all, you can't
> > know if the video is copyrighted or not when you click on a youtube link.
> Well... if you click on something that mentions the title of a
> well-known film, it's more or less guaranteed to be illegal.
YouTube links do not contain anything about the contents of the video.
(Also the title of the video alone doesn't really tell if it contains
copyrighted material or not.)
--
- Warp
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Invisible wrote:
> OTOH, I'm pretty sure that 98% of everything on YouTube is illegal, and
> I have watched some of it, so...... ;-)
Closer to 30%, I heard from a recent lawsuit about it. On the other
hand, if 75% of everything on youtube is crap, guess which part the
home-built videos probably fall in to.
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>> OTOH, I'm pretty sure that 98% of everything on YouTube is illegal,
>> and I have watched some of it, so...... ;-)
>
> Closer to 30%, I heard from a recent lawsuit about it. On the other
> hand, if 75% of everything on youtube is crap, guess which part the
> home-built videos probably fall in to.
Heh. Look up "why is the rum gone?" There seems to be a huge profusion
of videos like this - except that some of them are actually quite good,
but most of them are totally lame.
Neat: Why is the rum gone?
Kinda funny: They're taking the Hobbits to Isengard.
Kinda lame: This is SPARTAAAAAAAA!
--
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Invisible wrote:
> Also, certainly on the DVDs I've looked at, the video data is split into
> several VOB files, seemingly at random. How do I join them back together?
If you have one or more VOB files whose size is exactly 2GB, and then
another (following the number sequence)... just concatenate them. I think
that's a workaround for a file size limitation on DVDs.
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Invisible wrote:
> Other than that, everything I own is ilegal.
Interesting typo there.
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Invisible wrote:
>> But it also explains why you haven't seen divx/xvid videos with good
>> quality/size ratios. (That is, because I would estimate at least 99% of
>> divx/xvid/h264 videos out there are illegal.)
>
> 99% of DivX/Xvid/H264? Surely it would be accurate to say "99% of ALL
> VIDEO on the Internet"? ;-)
Nope, that's exaggerating. Quite a large percentage of the video on the
Internet would be legal porn. That's what the Internet is for, after all.
(argh, now I won't get that song off my head. "The Internet is for porn...")
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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> (argh, now I won't get that song off my head. "The Internet is for porn...")
HAHAHAHAHA! >:-D
But which version? The WoW version? The StarCraft version? THE LEGO
VERSION??
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
>
>> (argh, now I won't get that song off my head. "The Internet is for
>> porn...")
>
> HAHAHAHAHA! >:-D
>
> But which version? The WoW version? The StarCraft version? THE LEGO
> VERSION??
>
The *original* version. (which isn't available on YouTube anymore)
Wait.
There is a LEGO VERSION?!
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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> Wait.
>
> There is a LEGO VERSION?!
THERE IS A LEGO VERSION OF EVERYTHING!!!eleven!
--
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> THERE IS A LEGO VERSION OF EVERYTHING!!!eleven!
I wonder how that assertion interacts with rule 34.
Actually, I'm not sure if I want to know.
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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> THERE IS A LEGO VERSION OF EVERYTHING!!!eleven!
>
> I wonder how that assertion interacts with rule 34.
>
> Actually, I'm not sure if I want to know.
Have you seen the LEGO Star Wars IV porn video?
(No, I'm not making that up...)
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On 20-Oct-08 10:04, Invisible wrote:
> Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
>> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> THERE IS A LEGO VERSION OF EVERYTHING!!!eleven!
>>
>> I wonder how that assertion interacts with rule 34.
>>
>> Actually, I'm not sure if I want to know.
>
> Have you seen the LEGO Star Wars IV porn video?
No, do I want to?
> (No, I'm not making that up...)
Eek!
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>> Have you seen the LEGO Star Wars IV porn video?
>
> No, do I want to?
>
>> (No, I'm not making that up...)
>
> Eek!
I don't know where they got *that* piece from... and I don't think I
want to, actually. o_O
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> This is possibly a dumb question, but... how *do* you add a video to
> YouTube?
Well, having the right equipment would be a good start.
My video camera records directly to DVD. I was hoping it would be a
simple matter to copy the video files to my PC in order to edit and then
upload them. However, to my utter *rage*, this is impossible. The camera
plays the disks, my grandparents' old DVD player plays the disks, but my
PC *insists* that all of the disks are completely blank.
Words cannot express how angry I am right now...
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> > This is possibly a dumb question, but... how *do* you add a video to
> > YouTube?
>
> Well, having the right equipment would be a good start.
>
> My video camera records directly to DVD. I was hoping it would be a
> simple matter to copy the video files to my PC in order to edit and then
> upload them. However, to my utter *rage*, this is impossible. The camera
> plays the disks, my grandparents' old DVD player plays the disks, but my
> PC *insists* that all of the disks are completely blank.
>
> Words cannot express how angry I am right now...
>
> --
> http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
> http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
My video camera also records to a DVD. I get the same symptoms if I don't
"finalize" the disk. The video recorder and an older dvd player will play it,
a newer dvd player and my pc won't play it if I don't finalize disk properly.
Isaac
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> My video camera records directly to DVD. I was hoping it would be a
> simple matter to copy the video files to my PC in order to edit and then
> upload them. However, to my utter *rage*, this is impossible. The camera
> plays the disks, my grandparents' old DVD player plays the disks, but my
> PC *insists* that all of the disks are completely blank.
>
> Words cannot express how angry I am right now...
Someone didn't do his research before buying the camera?
--
Cut my pizza in six slices, please; I can't eat eight.
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/ \/ \ u e e n / \/ a w a z
>>>>>>mue### [at] nawazorg<<<<<<
anl
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Mueen Nawaz wrote:
> Someone didn't do his research before buying the camera?
*I* didn't buy anything. :-P It was a gift...
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On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:22:38 -0500, Mueen Nawaz wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> My video camera records directly to DVD. I was hoping it would be a
>> simple matter to copy the video files to my PC in order to edit and
>> then upload them. However, to my utter *rage*, this is impossible. The
>> camera plays the disks, my grandparents' old DVD player plays the
>> disks, but my PC *insists* that all of the disks are completely blank.
>>
>> Words cannot express how angry I am right now...
>
> Someone didn't do his research before buying the camera?
I've actually seen discs like this myself - had someone record one and it
appeared completely blank on my PC. I don't know that that's something
that they advertise, because the person who sent me the disc is pretty
saavy.
Jim
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> I've actually seen discs like this myself - had someone record one and it
> appeared completely blank on my PC. I don't know that that's something
> that they advertise, because the person who sent me the disc is pretty
> saavy.
I don't think it's anything to do with the disc. As someone pointed
out, if they discs are not finalized, then they may not work on other
computers. This was normal behavior in the old days when people had
multi-session discs (CDR's, not CDRW's).
--
Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint. - Mark
Twain
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>>>>>>mue### [at] nawazorg<<<<<<
anl
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On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:46:23 -0500, Mueen Nawaz wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> I've actually seen discs like this myself - had someone record one and
>> it appeared completely blank on my PC. I don't know that that's
>> something that they advertise, because the person who sent me the disc
>> is pretty saavy.
>
> I don't think it's anything to do with the disc. As someone
pointed
> out, if they discs are not finalized, then they may not work on other
> computers. This was normal behavior in the old days when people had
> multi-session discs (CDR's, not CDRW's).
Hmmm, now you've got me wondering if I can close the session.
Jim
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Neat: Why is the rum gone?
>
> Kinda funny: They're taking the Hobbits to Isengard.
>
> Kinda lame: This is SPARTAAAAAAAA!
Oddly amusing: WHO TOUCHED MY GUUUUUUUUUU?!
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Invisible wrote:
> Oddly amusing: WHO TOUCHED MY GUUUUUUUUUU?!
Dude! If you have to ask!
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~Mike
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