Today somebody posted a message anouncing an alpha release of a Haskell 
to .NET bridge. Somebody reponded with "wow, great work! This could be a 
real game changer."

I can't help but feel I've missed something important here...

Since when is .NET actually important? AFAIK, absolutely nobody on Earth 
actually uses it for any purpose whatsoever. So... why would having a 
bridge to it be of any signifigance? What am I not seeing here??

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On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:29:04 +0100, Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:

>Since when is .NET actually important? AFAIK, absolutely nobody on Earth 
>actually uses it for any purpose whatsoever. So... why would having a 
>bridge to it be of any signifigance? What am I not seeing here??

You're obviously trolling.  This can't really be a valid set of questions/comments.

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"Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
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> Today somebody posted a message anouncing an alpha release of a Haskell
> to .NET bridge. Somebody reponded with "wow, great work! This could be a
> real game changer."
>
> I can't help but feel I've missed something important here...
>
> Since when is .NET actually important? AFAIK, absolutely nobody on Earth
> actually uses it for any purpose whatsoever. So... why would having a
> bridge to it be of any signifigance? What am I not seeing here??

I think you misspelled: It's spelled Haskell, not .NET.

But yes, I don't see a significance to the bridge either.

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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
 > Since when is .NET actually important?

It's Microsoft's modern API to its OS.  Programming for a Microsoft 
environment without .NET is becoming increasingly more difficult.

 > AFAIK, absolutely nobody on Earth
 > actually uses it for any purpose whatsoever.

That's certainly not true and indeed C# or VB.NET are today most used 
languages with functional programming constructs.  Certainly more 
visible and popular than Haskell or Lisp ever will.  That's why the praise.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like Microsoft nor .NET.

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somebody wrote:

> I think you misspelled: It's spelled Haskell, not .NET.
> 
> But yes, I don't see a significance to the bridge either.

LOL! That's cute...

Now there's an interesting question. Is Haskell rarer than .NET? Is the 
tiny group of people using Haskell larger or smaller than the tiny group 
of people using .NET?

Actually, given that .NET is being heavily promoted and marketed by a 
huge household-name multinational corporation, you're probably right in 
your popularity assessment. :-(

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On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:28:34 -0300, nemesis <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:

>Don't get me wrong, I don't like Microsoft nor .NET.

Not trying to start a Microsoft bashing thread here, but I'm curious, why do you not
like Microsoft
nor .NET?

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Since when is .NET actually important? AFAIK, absolutely nobody on Earth
> actually uses it for any purpose whatsoever. So... why would having a
> bridge to it be of any signifigance? What am I not seeing here??

What the...

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Now there's an interesting question. Is Haskell rarer than .NET? Is the
> tiny group of people using Haskell larger or smaller than the tiny group
> of people using .NET?

.NET is more used by a few orders of magnitude!

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Kyle wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:28:34 -0300, nemesis <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> 
>> Don't get me wrong, I don't like Microsoft nor .NET.
> 
> Not trying to start a Microsoft bashing thread here, but I'm curious, why do you not
like Microsoft
> nor .NET?

Microsoft raped me when I was younger and I resent it.

Seriously, I just don't dig monopolies and so I just don't buy their 
products.  Besides the fact they are cheap bastards always preying on 
someone else's idea and taking the advantage of their monopoly to make 
it spread like fire, like .NET.  The fact that most of their products 
suck is a close second reason.

hey, I'm just answering the guy, ok?

But enough Microsoft bashing, they certainly may have some redeeming 
qualities.  Here's one recent idea from their research labs I found 
genuinely mindblowing:
http://www.codeplex.com/touchless

Watch the video link.  It's simply an amazingly creative use of current 
cheap hardware to yield wonderful possibilities!  Why wait for Surface 
and other possibly expensive touchscreen-related techs to become a 
reality in the near-future when you can have pretty much a large part of 
the functionality today for free, using nothing more than an ordinary 
webcam?

They even released it as an open-source framework and demo, under the 
Microsoft Public License.  If you have Windows and a webcam, try it now!

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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Since when is .NET actually important? AFAIK, absolutely nobody on Earth 
> actually uses it for any purpose whatsoever. So... why would having a 
> bridge to it be of any signifigance? What am I not seeing here??

  Let me ask you a question: Are your opinions on .NET based on actual
usage experience, or on FUD from indetermined online sources? Do you even
know *what* .NET is? Or are you simply guessing what it might be?

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"Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
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> Since when is .NET actually important? AFAIK, absolutely nobody on Earth 
> actually uses it for any purpose whatsoever.

Excuse me? Read many programming job ads recently? What are the most 
requested skills?

There are probably more people priogramming for .net (using the various 
languages that compile to it) than for the java virual machine.
Where it changes the game is that now you can write an application, write 
come classes in C#, come in VB, some in Ruby, some in deplhi.net and some in 
Haskell.
What it gives you is an ability to write the parts of the program that 
logically fit in Haskell in Haskett and leave parts (like IO) to a language 
that does that well (like C#)

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"Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
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> somebody wrote:
>
>> I think you misspelled: It's spelled Haskell, not .NET.
>>
>> But yes, I don't see a significance to the bridge either.
>
> LOL! That's cute...
>
> Now there's an interesting question. Is Haskell rarer than .NET? Is the 
> tiny group of people using Haskell larger or smaller than the tiny group 
> of people using .NET?

Tiny? I don't think so.
Think of everyone writing C#, VB.Net, ASP.net and add in all of the other 
.Net ported languages. Still think it's tiny?

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>  Do you even
> know *what* .NET is? Or are you simply guessing what it might be?
>

I'm guessing, no.

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"Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
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> Today somebody posted a message anouncing an alpha release of a Haskell to 
> .NET bridge. Somebody reponded with "wow, great work! This could be a real 
> game changer."
>
> I can't help but feel I've missed something important here...
>
> Since when is .NET actually important? AFAIK, absolutely nobody on Earth 
> actually uses it for any purpose whatsoever. So... why would having a 
> bridge to it be of any signifigance? What am I not seeing here??

Hasn't Simon Peyton Jones has been working for MS?
http://www.dotnetrocks.com/default.aspx?showNum=310

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Gail wrote:

> Excuse me? Read many programming job ads recently? What are the most 
> requested skills?

Generally C, C++, Java, VB, Perl, PHP, in approximately that order.

(Actually, probably the *most* requested skill is "excellent 
communication skills", but that's not what you meant...)

> There are probably more people priogramming for .net (using the various 
> languages that compile to it) than for the java virual machine.

Really? That's interesting.

I've yet to see anything that uses .NET, but finding websites that use 
Java is quite common. (Although I must say, I haven't seen any 
"applications" as such written purely in Java.)

Maybe .NET code is just less "visible" somehow?

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Tim Attwood wrote:

> Hasn't Simon Peyton Jones has been working for MS?

Yeah, several people working on Haskell are employed by MS.

I'm not seeing how this is immediately related to "a .NET bridge for 
Haskell is really useful" though. ;-)

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Warp wrote:

>   Let me ask you a question: Are your opinions on .NET based on actual
> usage experience, or on FUD from indetermined online sources?

I've seen things that use Java. I've never seen anything use .NET. Seems 
like plausible evidence to me.

(I've also seen people talk about Java and various other languages, but 
nobody seems to ever talk about .NET. That, however, might just be a 
result of the people I happen to listen to...)

> Do you even
> know *what* .NET is? Or are you simply guessing what it might be?

As I understand it, it's sorta-kinda like the Java virtual machine + 
library assemblage, except explicitly designed to support multiple 
source-level languages instead of just one. (It wasn't easy to find this 
information, mind you...)

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> I've yet to see anything that uses .NET, but finding websites that use 
> Java is quite common. (Although I must say, I haven't seen any 
> "applications" as such written purely in Java.)

Ever seen anything written in C#? VB.NET? Ever seen any website with .aspx 
pages?

> Maybe .NET code is just less "visible" somehow?

.Net isn't a language. There's no such thing as .net code (unless you're 
talking about the intermediate language that the .net virtual machine runs)

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> As I understand it, it's sorta-kinda like the Java virtual machine + 
> library assemblage, except explicitly designed to support multiple 
> source-level languages instead of just one.

And do you know which source languages talk to it?

> (It wasn't easy to find this information, mind you...)

"The Microsoft .NET Framework is a software technology that is available 
with several Microsoft Windows operating systems. It includes a large 
library of pre-coded solutions to common programming problems and a virtual 
machine that manages the execution of programs written specifically for the 
framework. The .NET Framework is a key Microsoft offering and is intended to 
be used by most new applications created for the Windows platform.

The pre-coded solutions that form the framework's Base Class Library cover a 
large range of programming needs in a number of areas, including user 
interface, data access, database connectivity, cryptography, web application 
development, numeric algorithms, and network communications. The class 
library is used by programmers, who combine it with their own code to 
produce applications.

Programs written for the .NET Framework execute in a software environment 
that manages the program's runtime requirements. Also part of the .NET 
Framework, this runtime environment is known as the Common Language Runtime 
(CLR). The CLR provides the appearance of an application virtual machine so 
that programmers need not consider the capabilities of the specific CPU that 
will execute the program. The CLR also provides other important services 
such as security, memory management, and exception handling. The class 
library and the CLR together compose the .NET Framework."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.NET_Framework

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>> As I understand it, it's sorta-kinda like the Java virtual machine + 
>> library assemblage, except explicitly designed to support multiple 
>> source-level languages instead of just one.
> 
> And do you know which source languages talk to it?

Off the top of my head... C#, F#, some Java derivative (J#?), and 
there's a variant of VB for it.

>> (It wasn't easy to find this information, mind you...)
> 
> "The Microsoft .NET Framework is a software technology that is available 
> with several Microsoft Windows operating systems. It includes a large 
> library of pre-coded solutions to common programming problems and a 
> virtual machine that manages the execution of programs written 
> specifically for the framework. The .NET Framework is a key Microsoft 
> offering and is intended to be used by most new applications created for 
> the Windows platform.
> 
> The pre-coded solutions that form the framework's Base Class Library 
> cover a large range of programming needs in a number of areas, including 
> user interface, data access, database connectivity, cryptography, web 
> application development, numeric algorithms, and network communications. 
> The class library is used by programmers, who combine it with their own 
> code to produce applications.
> 
> Programs written for the .NET Framework execute in a software 
> environment that manages the program's runtime requirements. Also part 
> of the .NET Framework, this runtime environment is known as the Common 
> Language Runtime (CLR). The CLR provides the appearance of an 
> application virtual machine so that programmers need not consider the 
> capabilities of the specific CPU that will execute the program. The CLR 
> also provides other important services such as security, memory 
> management, and exception handling. The class library and the CLR 
> together compose the .NET Framework."

That seems slightly clearer than last time I looked. Last time I 
researched this matter, I found endless pages telling me how awesome 
.NET is and why I should immediately use it, but I couldn't find 
anything (from Microsoft or Wikipedia) that explains precisely what it *is*.

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Gail wrote:

> Ever seen anything written in C#?

Nope.

> VB.NET?

Not knowingly.

> Ever seen any website with .aspx pages?

Ah. *That* I have seen.

(I thought ASP was some kind of scripting language. I didn't realise it 
had anything to do with .NET.)

>> Maybe .NET code is just less "visible" somehow?
> 
> .Net isn't a language.

Well true, but even so, you don't often hear somebody say "hey, I'm 
working on this thing written in C#..."

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"Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
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> Gail wrote:
>
>> Ever seen anything written in C#?
>
> Nope.

The job market in the UK must be very different it both here and US. 
Probably close to half of the programming jobs I see these days ask for C#.

Thing with .net is that if you're working on a machines that has the .net 
framework installed (and I believe everything past XP does by default), you 
won't know that you're running a .net app. It's not like Java where you can 
see the VM running in task manager (or sometimes have a popup in the task 
bar). That's how it's supposed to be. It's supposed to be seamless and to 
not bother the end user with anything they don't need to know.

I know your machine has .net on because we've had conversations before on 
free C# compilers and I recall you finding the framework folder.

>> Ever seen any website with .aspx pages?
>
> Ah. *That* I have seen.
>
> (I thought ASP was some kind of scripting language. I didn't realise it 
> had anything to do with .NET.)

It's a server-side dynamic page setup like php. It uses the .net framework 
on the server. .aspx pages are asp.net, pages with just the .asp extension 
are the older-style asp (active server pages)
ASP.NET pages are written in one of the .net languages, most commonly C# or 
VB)

> Well true, but even so, you don't often hear somebody say "hey, I'm 
> working on this thing written in C#..."
>

Most of the developers I know personally work in C#. I'd put it up with 
Java, php, perl and C++ for popularity and usage, and that's not just 
hobbyist.
It's far more used than VB or delphi. (and most VB these days is VB.NET 
anyway)

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> (I've also seen people talk about Java and various other languages, but
> nobody seems to ever talk about .NET. That, however, might just be a
> result of the people I happen to listen to...)

I often get the impression that you are indeed mixing with the wrong crowd.

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somebody wrote:

> I often get the impression that you are indeed mixing with the wrong crowd.

I hang out here don't I? :-P













Only kidding guys! ;-)

...guys? Uh, no really, I was joking!... guys? o_O

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On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:25:31 +0200, "Gail" <gail (at) sql in the wild (dot) co
[dot] za> wrote:

>The job market in the UK must be very different it both here and US. 
>Probably close to half of the programming jobs I see these days ask for C#.

Probably not I just ran a search on jobserve for "programming c# england" and
got 117 hits for the last 7 days. "programming c++ England" gave 59 and
"programming +haskell England" gave none.
Heigh! Ho! 
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"somebody" <x### [at] ycom> wrote:
> "Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
> news:48f0bcf5$1@news.povray.org...
>
> > (I've also seen people talk about Java and various other languages, but
> > nobody seems to ever talk about .NET. That, however, might just be a
> > result of the people I happen to listen to...)
>
> I often get the impression that you are indeed mixing with the wrong crowd.

Yes.  Join us... *voice from Evil Dead*

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"Tim Attwood" <tim### [at] comcastnet> wrote:
> "Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
> news:48efacfa$1@news.povray.org...
> > Today somebody posted a message anouncing an alpha release of a Haskell to
> > .NET bridge. Somebody reponded with "wow, great work! This could be a real
> > game changer."
> >
> > I can't help but feel I've missed something important here...
> >
> > Since when is .NET actually important? AFAIK, absolutely nobody on Earth
> > actually uses it for any purpose whatsoever. So... why would having a
> > bridge to it be of any signifigance? What am I not seeing here??
>
> Hasn't Simon Peyton Jones has been working for MS?
> http://www.dotnetrocks.com/default.aspx?showNum=310

Hasn't everyone been working for MS?

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Gail wrote:

> The job market in the UK must be very different it both here and US. 
> Probably close to half of the programming jobs I see these days ask for C#.

Most of the jobs I've seen can be roughly classified thus:

- We program toasters (so we want C).
- We write "serious" applications (so we want C or maybe C++).
- We write "custom business applications" (so we want VB / VBA or maybe 
Java).
- We write web applications, so we want JavaScript / Perl / PHP.

> Thing with .net is that if you're working on a machines that has the 
> .net framework installed (and I believe everything past XP does by 
> default), you won't know that you're running a .net app. It's not like 
> Java where you can see the VM running in task manager (or sometimes have 
> a popup in the task bar). That's how it's supposed to be. It's supposed 
> to be seamless and to not bother the end user with anything they don't 
> need to know.

"Everything past XP" meaning "only the latest bleeding edge OS that 
nobody is using yet"?

Anyway, I know that the .NET framework is an absolutely *huge* download 
and it takes hours to install. I know this because we have _one_ obscure 
application at work which demands .NET 1.1 be installed. This takes many 
times longer than installing the application itself. (Roughly 45 minutes 
or so of HD thrashing.)

> I know your machine has .net on because we've had conversations before 
> on free C# compilers and I recall you finding the framework folder.

I don't recall that conversation, but anyway... my PC has never had it 
until now. (It has it *now* because I just installed MS Visual Studio, 
and the first thing it does is install this unwanted component.)

>> (I thought ASP was some kind of scripting language. I didn't realise 
>> it had anything to do with .NET.)
> 
> It's a server-side dynamic page setup like php. It uses the .net 
> framework on the server. .aspx pages are asp.net, pages with just the 
> .asp extension are the older-style asp (active server pages)
> ASP.NET pages are written in one of the .net languages, most commonly C# 
> or VB)

Well aren't you a mine of information? :-D

> Most of the developers I know personally work in C#. I'd put it up with 
> Java, php, perl and C++ for popularity and usage, and that's not just 
> hobbyist.
> It's far more used than VB or delphi. (and most VB these days is VB.NET 
> anyway)

Isn't Delphi also long since dead? I haven't even heard its name 
mentioned in years...

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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Gail wrote:
> > It's far more used than VB or delphi. (and most VB these days is VB.NET
> > anyway)
>
> Isn't Delphi also long since dead? I haven't even heard its name
> mentioned in years...

Delphi is alive because old apps written in it still need support.  But, yes,
ever since Microsoft grabbed *the* Delphi team to work on .NET, Borland the
company has been slowly dying a painful death, like most companies screwed by
Microsoft practices.

But hey, they are a great company with great products and consumers are just
happy, as long as all the dirt is underneath the carpet and out of view.

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>
> Most of the jobs I've seen can be roughly classified thus:
>
> - We program toasters (so we want C).
> - We write "serious" applications (so we want C or maybe C++).
> - We write "custom business applications" (so we want VB / VBA or maybe 
> Java).

Most of that that I see is C#/VB.Net/Java

> - We write web applications, so we want JavaScript / Perl / PHP.

Or ASP.Net

>
>> Thing with .net is that if you're working on a machines that has the .net 
>> framework installed (and I believe everything past XP does by default), 
>> you won't know that you're running a .net app. It's not like Java where 
>> you can see the VM running in task manager (or sometimes have a popup in 
>> the task bar). That's how it's supposed to be. It's supposed to be 
>> seamless and to not bother the end user with anything they don't need to 
>> know.
>
> "Everything past XP" meaning "only the latest bleeding edge OS that nobody 
> is using yet"?

I think it was included in one of the XP service packs. XP RTM didn't, but 
I'm sure SP1 or SP2 included .net framework

Oh, and from your second statement, I didn't realise my name had been 
changed. Hi, I'm nobody.

> Anyway, I know that the .NET framework is an absolutely *huge* download 
> and it takes hours to install. I know this because we have _one_ obscure 
> application at work which demands .NET 1.1 be installed. This takes many 
> times longer than installing the application itself. (Roughly 45 minutes 
> or so of HD thrashing.)

It's not as huge as people often make it out to be.
see http://smallestdotnet.com
You'll have to use IE for that site, as firefox doesn't expose the .net 
framework version. Dunno about other chrome, safari, opera and others

> I don't recall that conversation, but anyway... my PC has never had it 
> until now. (It has it *now* because I just installed MS Visual Studio, and 
> the first thing it does is install this unwanted component.)

I'm pretty sure it did. VS has to install the sdk, but I'm willing to bet 
you had the runtime long before that.

>> It's a server-side dynamic page setup like php. It uses the .net 
>> framework on the server. .aspx pages are asp.net, pages with just the 
>> .asp extension are the older-style asp (active server pages)
>> ASP.NET pages are written in one of the .net languages, most commonly C# 
>> or VB)
>
> Well aren't you a mine of information? :-D

I used to be a web developer.

> Isn't Delphi also long since dead? I haven't even heard its name mentioned 
> in years...
>

One of my best friends has a job coding in it, so no. It's not as popular as 
it used to be though.

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> Isn't Delphi also long since dead? I haven't even heard its name
> mentioned in years...

No computer language ever dies a dignified death. Very few serious projects
are being started in Delphi, but people still use it (or are stuck using it)
and CodeGear just released a new version. Oh, and Delphi does .NET.
Ironically, while very few people use it, Delphi is arguably the most
suitable/supported platform remaining right now for native W32 application
development.

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>> - We write "custom business applications" (so we want VB / VBA or 
>> maybe Java).
> 
> Most of that that I see is C#/VB.Net/Java

Heh. I've just been looking at some people who are willing to pay "£20k 
- £30k per year" for an "Excel specialist". Basically somebody who knows 
how to use VBA to make Excel "analyse complex sales bonus structures". 
Whatever the hell that means...

I guess some of the guys who want "VB" actually mean VB.NET...

>> - We write web applications, so we want JavaScript / Perl / PHP.
> 
> Or ASP.Net

Yeah, quite possibly.

>> "Everything past XP" meaning "only the latest bleeding edge OS that 
>> nobody is using yet"?
> 
> I think it was included in one of the XP service packs. XP RTM didn't, 
> but I'm sure SP1 or SP2 included .net framework

I'm fairly sure SP1 predates the existence of .NET; but it might have 
been in SP2. (There's an SP3 now isn't there?)

> Oh, and from your second statement, I didn't realise my name had been 
> changed. Hi, I'm nobody.

*sigh* Already, _almost_ nobody. Happy now? :-P

>> I don't recall that conversation, but anyway... my PC has never had it 
>> until now. (It has it *now* because I just installed MS Visual Studio, 
>> and the first thing it does is install this unwanted component.)
> 
> I'm pretty sure it did. VS has to install the sdk, but I'm willing to 
> bet you had the runtime long before that.

Then why did Windows Update keep offering to install it?

>> Isn't Delphi also long since dead? I haven't even heard its name 
>> mentioned in years...
> 
> One of my best friends has a job coding in it, so no. It's not as 
> popular as it used to be though.

Sort of like the way there's still a small market for COBOL?

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somebody wrote:
> I think you misspelled: It's spelled Haskell, not .NET.

Nice burn! :-)

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Now there's an interesting question. Is Haskell rarer than .NET?

Just so you know, every web page you see that ends in .aspx is .NET. In 
case you didn't realize that.

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Maybe .NET code is just less "visible" somehow?

Yes, because (on Windows at least) it works so seamlessly that you can 
install and use .NET programs and not even know they're written using 
.NET.  The Java folks like to crow about how great their Java stuff is, 
because it's so hard to get it installed and working you give them extra 
brownie points for the pain of it.  </troll>   ;-)

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Darren New wrote:
> 
> Yes, because (on Windows at least) it works so seamlessly that you can
> install and use .NET programs and not even know they're written using
> .NET.  

...assuming you already have the correct .NET framework version
installed. If you'll need to install one first, you really should
realize that the program is using .NET ;).


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>> Yes, because (on Windows at least) it works so seamlessly that you can
>> install and use .NET programs and not even know they're written using
>> .NET.  
> 
> ...assuming you already have the correct .NET framework version
> installed. If you'll need to install one first, you really should
> realize that the program is using .NET ;).

Exactly. I have only ever had to install the .NET framework for two 
applications. There's an obscure program at work that uses it, and when 
I recently installed Visual Studio it demanded it. Other than that, I've 
never come across any program that requires is.

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"Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
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>> I'm pretty sure it did. VS has to install the sdk, but I'm willing to bet 
>> you had the runtime long before that.
>
> Then why did Windows Update keep offering to install it?
>

Because you didn't have the latest version? (which is 3.5 SP1)

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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> never come across any program that requires is.

Many programs will install it automatically without really asking, if 
you're installing off a CD or so. There are bunches of cheapish 
commercial programs (in the $10-$20 range) that make use of it. So you 
may have installed it and not even known it.

Of course, the real beneficial area is web stuff. They did a pretty nice 
job there.

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