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In films, I have several times seen people be knocked unconscious, or lost
consciousness for some other reason, only to be brought back round by
another person making them sniff some chemical. Whatever chemical it is
seems to work almost instantly to make them awake again.
Question: Does such a substance exist in real life? What is it?
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"scott" <sco### [at] scott com> wrote in message
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> In films, I have several times seen people be knocked unconscious, or lost
> consciousness for some other reason, only to be brought back round by
> another person making them sniff some chemical. Whatever chemical it is
> seems to work almost instantly to make them awake again.
>
> Question: Does such a substance exist in real life? What is it?
>
Anything very strongly scented works, though not usually so miraculously.
It's mainly for when a person has fainted, rather than beaten unconscious.
Smelling salts or ammonia-based substances are the ones I've seen used.
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Gail <gail (at) sql in the wild (dot) co [dot] za> wrote:
> "scott" <sco### [at] scottcom> wrote in message
> news:48d11c49$1@news.povray.org...
> > In films, I have several times seen people be knocked unconscious, or lost
> > consciousness for some other reason, only to be brought back round by
> > another person making them sniff some chemical. Whatever chemical it is
> > seems to work almost instantly to make them awake again.
> >
> > Question: Does such a substance exist in real life? What is it?
> >
> Anything very strongly scented works, though not usually so miraculously.
> It's mainly for when a person has fainted, rather than beaten unconscious.
> Smelling salts or ammonia-based substances are the ones I've seen used.
I have the impression that you see this typical scene only in older
movies, not in newer ones. (Well, seeing someone fainting in newer movies
is quite rare in the first place...)
I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if modern medicine would
advice against using this trick on someone who is actually unconscious.
There are many things which were typical in older movies which are very
ill-adviced.
--
- Warp
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"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message
news:48d12cb0@news.povray.org...
> I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if modern medicine would
> advice against using this trick on someone who is actually unconscious.
I would agree but hey I'm no doctor .... but I've been on sidelines of NFL
game and when someone has gotten their bell rung they break out the smelling
salts (ammonia tabs). I've also seen weight lifters take a BIG wiff before a
lift.
> There are many things which were typical in older movies which are very
> ill-adviced.
smoking (cough .... haven't kicked the habit)
cutting each other and swearing a blood oath
Jim
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"Jim Holsenback" <jho### [at] hotmailcom> a écrit dans le message de news:
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> smoking (cough .... haven't kicked the habit)
I have :-D
>
> cutting each other and swearing a blood oath
Before 80's, it was not so dangerous than it is now.
Marc
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m_a_r_c <jac### [at] wanadoofr> wrote:
> > cutting each other and swearing a blood oath
> Before 80's, it was not so dangerous than it is now.
Less germs back then?-)
--
- Warp
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"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> a écrit dans le message de news:
48d13d61@news.povray.org...
> m_a_r_c <jac### [at] wanadoofr> wrote:
>> > cutting each other and swearing a blood oath
>
>> Before 80's, it was not so dangerous than it is now.
>
> Less germs back then?-)
At least a big one less yes : HIV
The AIDS pandemia started during the very late 70's
I think it makes a huge difference.
Marc
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m_a_r_c <jac### [at] wanadoofr> wrote:
> At least a big one less yes : HIV
> The AIDS pandemia started during the very late 70's
The first documented and confirmed case happened in 1959, but it didn't
become a pandemia until 1981, so yeah.
> I think it makes a huge difference.
You are right. Nowadays people are morbidly afraid of becoming in
contact with other people's blood, for the fear of HIV. One of the few
phobias which is actually more beneficial than harmful.
Curiously, people don't seem to be too afraid of the (by far) more
common way of getting the disease: Random sex. They just trust on the
safety of condoms (even though it's well-known fact that condoms can
fail, due to ruptures, even microscopic ones).
This is, in fact, something I have never understood. People seem to
think that as long as they don't know if the other has HIV or not, they
are "safe". If you ask any of these people: "Would you have sex with
someone you *know* has HIV, even with a condom?" I'm pretty sure that
the honest answer would be a definite "no".
However, "would you have sex with a person from who you *don't know*
if they have HIV or not?" the answer seems to be "yes". They seem to be
willing to take the risk in this case.
--
- Warp
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> In films, I have several times seen people be knocked unconscious, or lost
> consciousness for some other reason, only to be brought back round by
> another person making them sniff some chemical. Whatever chemical it is
> seems to work almost instantly to make them awake again.
>
> Question: Does such a substance exist in real life? What is it?
Once when I was getting surgery on part of my back, I started feeling light
headed (I don't handle surgery or needles or anything like that very well).
I told the nurse and she put something under my nose and told me to breathe
in hard. I didn't get a very good look at it but it was the size and shape
of a tootsie roll. Anyway, when I breathed in it burned my throat and made
me cough really hard, but I immediately felt *way* better. I don't know if
that was smelling salts or not.
It happened again during the same surgery, and even though I knew how
unpleasant it was I breathed in really hard because of how well it had
worked the first time.
Actually, I'm wondering if it's commonly available or if it has negative
side effects.
- Slime
[ http://www.slimeland.com/ ]
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What *I* want to know is... in films, it's common to just punch somebody
in the head and them be instantly knocked out. Is it actually possible
to do this IRL? Is it really that easy? Do you wake up with just a
headache, or permanent brain damage? Surely you'd at least have bruising??
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"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> a écrit dans le message de news:
48d20b02$1@news.povray.org...
> What *I* want to know is... in films, it's common to just punch somebody
> in the head and them be instantly knocked out. Is it actually possible to
> do this IRL? Is it really that easy? Do you wake up with just a headache,
> or permanent brain damage? Surely you'd at least have bruising??
That is a very bad idea and my advice is not to try it at home (or anywhere
else :-)
A shock at the head is very hazardous because you can't really know how
strong you can hit.
It can cause bleeding in the brain even if the skull is not cracked. You can
recover fast and leave then die in the next hours.
Even without bleeding, a brain shock can cause lifelong after-effects.
After a loss of conciousness caused by a head shock, the place to go is to
hospital.
Films often give the impression that it is like taking a sleeping pill but
that's not so harmless.
I thing it is an old cliché and you don't see that so often in recent films
with a minimum of seriousness.
Marc
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>> What *I* want to know is... in films, it's common to just punch somebody
>> in the head and them be instantly knocked out. Is it actually possible to
>> do this IRL? Is it really that easy? Do you wake up with just a headache,
>> or permanent brain damage? Surely you'd at least have bruising??
>
> That is a very bad idea and my advice is not to try it at home (or anywhere
> else :-)
So noted.
> You can recover fast and leave then die in the next hours.
Oh, nice! So like the Death Cap then?
> Even without bleeding, a brain shock can cause lifelong after-effects.
Mmm, nice...
> Films often give the impression that it is like taking a sleeping pill but
> that's not so harmless.
> I thing it is an old cliché and you don't see that so often in recent films
> with a minimum of seriousness.
See, for example, Pirates of the Caribean: Curse of the Black Pearl.
Will gets smashed over the head with some kind of metal implement and is
instantly knocked out. Next morning, he wakes up with a sore head, and
sets off to rescue the damsel in distress... hmm?
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"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> a écrit dans le message de news:
48d2170b$1@news.povray.org...
>
> See, for example, Pirates of the Caribean: Curse of the Black Pearl. Will
> gets smashed over the head with some kind of metal implement and is
> instantly knocked out. Next morning, he wakes up with a sore head, and
> sets off to rescue the damsel in distress... hmm?
I quote myself :) "recent films *with a minimum of seriousness*."
Pirates of the Caribbean are adventure comedies, you don't believe all that
hapens in them is like reality do you?
In fact I was not clear : what I meant is that it is not impossible to
recover without being wounded but the proportion of the times it hapens in
films is not representative of real life statistics. Does it make more
sense? :-)
Marc
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m_a_r_c wrote:
> You don't believe all that hapens in them is like reality do you?
More worryingly, you only have to watch TV for a short time to end up
seriously believing that you can drive a car in a high-speed chase, flip
it over 6 times, AND WALK AWAY AFTERWARDS!
Seriously. You wouldn't *believe* how much even a low-speed impact
hurts... Most people seem to understand that films are exaggerated a
little, but few seem to grasp just how much exaggeration there is there.
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scott wrote:
> In films, I have several times seen people be knocked unconscious, or
> lost consciousness for some other reason, only to be brought back round
> by another person making them sniff some chemical. Whatever chemical it
> is seems to work almost instantly to make them awake again.
>
> Question: Does such a substance exist in real life? What is it?
I dunno, but...
My roommate in the 1987-88 time frame had BO so powerful that it woke me
up one night. He usually showered, but that night he'd gone jogging.
Regards,
John
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> What *I* want to know is... in films, it's common to just punch somebody
> in the head and them be instantly knocked out. Is it actually possible to
> do this IRL? Is it really that easy? Do you wake up with just a headache,
> or permanent brain damage? Surely you'd at least have bruising??
Ever watched boxing?
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> I have the impression that you see this typical scene only in older
> movies, not in newer ones. (Well, seeing someone fainting in newer movies
> is quite rare in the first place...)
The most recent time I remember seeing it was in 24 (series 2 or 3 IIRC)
where Jack is being tortured, everytime he loses consciousness they wake him
again immediately using that chemical. Reading wikipedia, maybe it is just
smelling salts, it says that ammonium carbonate can be "crushed when needed
in order to revive someone that has fainted".
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Invisible wrote:
> What *I* want to know is... in films, it's common to just punch somebody
> in the head and them be instantly knocked out. Is it actually possible
> to do this IRL?
Yes. What you need to do is a kind of sideways blow to the jaw area, so
your head turns rapidly to the side. I'm told that if your brain spins
around inside your skull (not all the way around, obviously), it tends
to have the capability of knocking you out. Just getting hit frontwards,
or over the top, isn't the same sort of thing (altho I imagine it might
make you pass out from some other cause).
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
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On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:03:37 +0200, "scott" <sco### [at] scottcom> wrote:
>
>Question: Does such a substance exist in real life? What is it?
>
What you are seeing is a hangover from the days when women (and some men) wore
tightly corseted clothes. This restricted their breathing and the fainting was
generally caused by a lack of sufficient blood and oxygen in the brain. A faint
has a low score on the Glasgow Coma Scale meaning it is not a deep state of
unconsciousness. Since the sense of smell is one of the last things we loose
when we loose consciousness a strong smell will often elicit a response. (Before
smelling salts became common burning feathers were used.)
--
Regards
Stephen
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Jim Holsenback wrote:
>
> I would agree but hey I'm no doctor .... but I've been on sidelines of NFL
> game and when someone has gotten their bell rung they break out the smelling
> salts (ammonia tabs). I've also seen weight lifters take a BIG wiff before a
> lift.
>
OTOH, who really thinks that world-class sports are actually healthy
thing? :P
>
> Jim
>
>
--
Eero "Aero" Ahonen
http://www.zbxt.net
aer### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid
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