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From: Tim Nikias
Subject: Vista Updates... *sigh*
Date: 26 Aug 2008 14:32:11
Message: <48b44c2b@news.povray.org>
Hi there,

I was wondering if anyone here might have a clue how to solve the latest 
culprit my dad achieved with his laptop.

It's a Samsung with Vista installed. Some might say: See, Vista is the 
mistake. But a friend of mine has a laptop with Vista, and even though 
it's new design and handling isn't to the liking to some, it's been 
running smoothly for her ever since she got it. Heck, my MacBook crashed 
more often with it's new Leopard OSX installed than her Laptop!

Anyways, since the last automatic update on 24.8., its acting up. I can 
log on (PW and such), but right after that, the screen goes black, I get 
a moving cursor, but no more than that. The HD spins and rattles now and 
then, but I don't get a desktop.

Once this evening I DID get a desktop (that's how I found the last 
update to have taken place on the 24.) and ran an AntiVirus-Scan using 
AVG, but didn't find any. My dad was able to shut down AVG, but the 
Windows Update (which I had started in case Microsoft created a Hotfix 
for their buggy update, if that is indeed the problem) crashed the 
Laptop. So now I'm back to a black screen with a mouse I can move, but 
nothing to click on.

Safe mode et al yield the same black screen, just with "Safe Mode" 
printed in the corners. Still no Taskbar or Desktop Icons...

*sigh*

Regards,
Tim


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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: Vista Updates... *sigh*
Date: 26 Aug 2008 14:54:51
Message: <48b4517b@news.povray.org>
Tim Nikias wrote:
> Safe mode et al yield the same black screen, just with "Safe Mode" 
> printed in the corners. Still no Taskbar or Desktop Icons...
> 
> *sigh*
> 
> Regards,
> Tim
You are not alone. A friend of mine has encountered the same problem on 
an Acer. As of this moment in time (don't you just hate that expression) 
we haven't found a solution. Any Win gurus out there?
TGIRL (Thank $DEITY I Run Linux)

John

-- 
"Eppur si muove" - Galileo Galilei


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From: Tim Nikias
Subject: Re: Vista Updates... *sigh*
Date: 26 Aug 2008 16:17:29
Message: <48b464d9$1@news.povray.org>
Doctor John wrote:
> Tim Nikias wrote:
>> Safe mode et al yield the same black screen, just with "Safe Mode" 
>> printed in the corners. Still no Taskbar or Desktop Icons...
>>
>> *sigh*
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tim
> You are not alone. A friend of mine has encountered the same problem on 
> an Acer. As of this moment in time (don't you just hate that expression) 
> we haven't found a solution. Any Win gurus out there?
> TGIRL (Thank $DEITY I Run Linux)
> 
> John
> 

Hm, my dad fumbled with it and found: Starting in Safe Mode to get to 
the Log In screen, but then hitting "Shutdown" allows a normal mode log 
in... But it'll crash when shutting down.

Last update (of course) can't be uninstalled, and we've got no clue what 
to do or to change, cause it seems like it won't write a startup 
protocol, even when told.

So, still in need of help. I'm debating whether I should bet that the 
only fix would be reinstalling...

Regards,
Tim


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Vista Updates... *sigh*
Date: 26 Aug 2008 16:19:50
Message: <48b46566$1@news.povray.org>
Tim Nikias wrote:
> Last update (of course) can't be uninstalled,

And you can't use System Restore to go back before the update? That's 
pretty rude.



-- 
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Vista Updates... *sigh*
Date: 26 Aug 2008 16:29:20
Message: <48b467a0$1@news.povray.org>
Darren New wrote:
> Tim Nikias wrote:
>> Last update (of course) can't be uninstalled,
> 
> And you can't use System Restore to go back before the update? That's 
> pretty rude.

As an aside, at least in XP, the black screen just before the login 
screen is when it mounts all the partitioned devices (i.e., disk drives) 
and sets up the swapping and so on. If you can get it into safe mode, I 
suggest doing a chkdsk /f (or a chkdsk /f /r) [or whatever Vista calls 
it these days], checking that your swap space is set up right, that you 
don't have any USB dongles plugged in or CDs in the drives, etc.  (In 
the "is it plugged in? is it turned on?" department...)

-- 
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Vista Updates... *sigh*
Date: 26 Aug 2008 18:34:55
Message: <48b4850f@news.povray.org>
Tim Nikias <JUS### [at] gmxnetware> wrote:
> It's a Samsung with Vista installed.

  Two solutions come to mind, the first one not so drastic, the second
one more drastic:

1) Upgrade to Windows XP.

2) Upgrade to Linux.

-- 
                                                          - Warp


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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: Vista Updates... *sigh*
Date: 26 Aug 2008 19:02:24
Message: <48b48b80@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:
> 2) Upgrade to Linux.

We're almost considering that at work. Most of the computers currently run
pirated Windows XP. Except the server, which runs pirated Windows 2003, and
just today we had to fight yet another activation problem.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Vista Updates... *sigh*
Date: 27 Aug 2008 04:22:59
Message: <48b50ee3$1@news.povray.org>
Tim Nikias wrote:

> Safe mode et al yield the same black screen, just with "Safe Mode" 
> printed in the corners. Still no Taskbar or Desktop Icons...
> 
> *sigh*

Just for giggles, have you tried logging in via Remote Desktop?

(If it's a problem with the video driver, this might just work. 
Unlikely, but it's an easy thing to try...)

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Vista Updates... *sigh*
Date: 27 Aug 2008 07:53:15
Message: <48b5402b@news.povray.org>
Nicolas Alvarez <nic### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> Warp wrote:
> > 2) Upgrade to Linux.

> We're almost considering that at work. Most of the computers currently run
> pirated Windows XP. Except the server, which runs pirated Windows 2003, and
> just today we had to fight yet another activation problem.

  Assuming that's illegal in your country you could do a bit of good work
and report your company to the proper authorities. ;)

  (At least here, AFAIK, there exist authorities who do take seriously
reports of companies using pirated software for their work. For this
reason basically no respectable company here uses pirated software.)

-- 
                                                          - Warp


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Vista Updates... *sigh*
Date: 27 Aug 2008 08:16:13
Message: <48b5458d$1@news.povray.org>
>  (At least here, AFAIK, there exist authorities who do take seriously
> reports of companies using pirated software for their work. For this
> reason basically no respectable company here uses pirated software.)

Same here, and if you want your company to be acreddited to any standard, 
you need to demonstrate that you have licenses for all software you are 
using.  For this reason I have some background task running on my computer 
that keeps a list of all installed programs and reports back to IT...  Any 
freeware programs I install I have to send a copy of the license to IT so 
they don't get in trouble.


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