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From: Darren New
Subject: Batman
Date: 1 Aug 2008 12:40:42
Message: <48933c8a$1@news.povray.org>
Haven't seen the new one yet, so no spoilers please.

But I rewatched the Batman Begins in anticipation of seeing the Joker, 
and I noticed two things.

1) Warp is right. Batman doesn't turn his head. It's most obvious right 
in the last seconds of the movie, when he turns to deliver his final 
line of the movie, and looks silly rather than cool. :-)

2) The glacier where Bruce Wayne takes the blue flower and learns to 
"mind his environment"? That's in Alaska. My wife and I were walking on 
it last week. It was pretty amusing to come back, say "let's watch that 
movie again", and then go "hey, I recognise that!"

-- 
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Batman
Date: 1 Aug 2008 12:52:01
Message: <48933f31$1@news.povray.org>
Darren New wrote:
> But I rewatched the Batman Begins in anticipation of seeing the Joker, 
> and I noticed two things.

Three, actually. Since when does a guy wearing a hard bullet-proof 
knife-proof vest go "oof" when someone punches him in the chest with his 
bare fist? He seems way too easy to beat up for someone wearing armor.

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Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Batman
Date: 1 Aug 2008 17:18:22
Message: <48937d9d@news.povray.org>
Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> 1) Warp is right. Batman doesn't turn his head. It's most obvious right 
> in the last seconds of the movie, when he turns to deliver his final 
> line of the movie, and looks silly rather than cool. :-)

  The Dark Knight is a bit better in this regard, which is a really big
improvement on previous movies (all of them).

  I have somewhat mixed feelings about the latest movie, but overall
I liked it. It avoided the same (IMO) mistake of Batman Begins, where
it started awesomely well but then degraded to the point of becoming
completely ridiculous. The Dark Knight was, IMO, quite good all the way
through.

  This shouldn't be a very big spoiler, but don't expect the Joker in
the movie to be the Joker in the comics. If you discard all expectations,
the character is quite awesome. (At first I was a bit disappointed because
he's not really the Joker from the comics, but thinking about it aftwards,
they pulled it out pretty well regardless.)

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Batman
Date: 1 Aug 2008 19:40:24
Message: <48939ee8@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:
>   This shouldn't be a very big spoiler, but don't expect the Joker in
> the movie to be the Joker in the comics. 

He really wasn't in the previous Batman movie either. :-) But I'm sure 
I'll enjoy it - I don't really care if a movie matches a book, as long 
as the movie is good.

-- 
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)


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From: Chambers
Subject: Re: Batman
Date: 2 Aug 2008 00:29:12
Message: <4893e298@news.povray.org>
Darren New wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>> But I rewatched the Batman Begins in anticipation of seeing the Joker, 
>> and I noticed two things.
> 
> Three, actually. Since when does a guy wearing a hard bullet-proof 
> knife-proof vest go "oof" when someone punches him in the chest with his 
> bare fist? He seems way too easy to beat up for someone wearing armor.
> 

Not really a spoiler, but a quick note on the armour...

OK, I'm spacing it out, just in case :)















































...the "armour" isn't very effective in this movie.  Lucius states in BB 
that the armour is both bullet-proof and knife-proof.  In the first 
action sequence of DK he gets a dog bite that he has to have stitched up.

Great armour, dude!

...Chambers


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Batman
Date: 3 Aug 2008 18:16:53
Message: <48962e55@news.povray.org>
(I saw the movie. Spoilers are OK now. ;-)

Warp wrote:
> the character is quite awesome. (At first I was a bit disappointed because
> he's not really the Joker from the comics

Actually, I think the personality and goals match well with the comic 
book Joker. Even tho it's clear it's not the comic book backstory. But 
he's delightfully sociopathic in all the same ways as he is in the 
comics. I'm actually kind of glad they spent as much time as they did 
telling his origin story.

Having seen it once, I definitely feel the need to watch it again, 
knowing how it progresses and ends.

-- 
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)


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From: Kyle
Subject: Re: Batman
Date: 4 Aug 2008 08:56:30
Message: <tpud9454b7tbkmjspm7i89tmessl7hp7pt@4ax.com>
On 1 Aug 2008 17:18:22 -0400, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:

>  I have somewhat mixed feelings about the latest movie, but overall
>I liked it. It avoided the same (IMO) mistake of Batman Begins, where
>it started awesomely well but then degraded to the point of becoming
>completely ridiculous. The Dark Knight was, IMO, quite good all the way
>through.

I agree with this 100%.

>  This shouldn't be a very big spoiler, but don't expect the Joker in
>the movie to be the Joker in the comics. If you discard all expectations,
>the character is quite awesome. (At first I was a bit disappointed because
>he's not really the Joker from the comics, but thinking about it aftwards,
>they pulled it out pretty well regardless.)

I think Heath Ledger did an excellent job in his role.  He was quite impressive.

I really like Christian Bale in most of the roles he plays, but not so much as Batman.
 He did well as the Bruce Wayne character, but I couldn't get past his Batman voice,
which was quite lame, IMHO.


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Batman
Date: 4 Aug 2008 09:42:49
Message: <48970759@news.povray.org>
Kyle <hob### [at] gatenet> wrote:
> I really like Christian Bale in most of the roles he plays, but not so much as
Batman.  He did well as the Bruce Wayne character, but I couldn't get past his Batman
voice, which was quite lame, IMHO.

  Well, he has to talk differently when being Batman so that people won't
recognize him from his voice. What would be a better alternative to mask
your own voice?

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Kyle
Subject: Re: Batman
Date: 4 Aug 2008 10:36:30
Message: <ro4e94tvv67ab0dnv0hgjm89p0k0okmtcm@4ax.com>
On 4 Aug 2008 09:42:49 -0400, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:

>  Well, he has to talk differently when being Batman so that people won't
>recognize him from his voice. What would be a better alternative to mask
>your own voice?

It's not the fact that he had to talk differently that bothered me; it is the fact
that he sounded like a 75 year old man that smoked too much.  I expected a more
powerful voice for Batman, something
smoother and richer.


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Batman
Date: 4 Aug 2008 12:34:29
Message: <48972f95$1@news.povray.org>
http://www.partiallyclips.com/pclipslite.php?id=1566

(Tiny little spoiler of one 10-second scene.)

-- 
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
  Ever notice how people in a zombie movie never already know how to
  kill zombies? Ask 100 random people in America how to kill someone
  who has reanimated from the dead in a secret viral weapons lab,
  and how many do you think already know you need a head-shot?


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