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From: Warp
Subject: People are crazy
Date: 24 Jul 2008 11:08:33
Message: <48889af0@news.povray.org>
Botox, a neurotoxin, is one of the most poisonous naturally occurring
substances in the world, and it is the most toxic protein. It's about
one million times more toxic than, for example, strychnine (a common rat
poison). Just a few hundred grams of botox would be enough to kill every
human on Earth. (0.1 micrograms is enough to kill a person.)

  Yet botox is used as a common cosmetic treatment around the world.

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 24 Jul 2008 11:19:24
Message: <48889d7c$1@news.povray.org>
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:08:33 -0400, Warp wrote:

> Botox, a neurotoxin, is one of the most poisonous naturally occurring
> substances in the world, and it is the most toxic protein. It's about
> one million times more toxic than, for example, strychnine (a common rat
> poison). Just a few hundred grams of botox would be enough to kill every
> human on Earth. (0.1 micrograms is enough to kill a person.)
> 
>   Yet botox is used as a common cosmetic treatment around the world.

Blog much? ;-)

Jim


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 24 Jul 2008 12:02:13
Message: <4888a785$1@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:
>   Botox, a neurotoxin, is one of the most poisonous naturally occurring
> substances in the world, and it is the most toxic protein. It's about
> one million times more toxic than, for example, strychnine (a common rat
> poison). Just a few hundred grams of botox would be enough to kill every
> human on Earth. (0.1 micrograms is enough to kill a person.)
> 
>   Yet botox is used as a common cosmetic treatment around the world.

Have you heard about dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO)?

It has some pretty scary health implications...

-- 
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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 24 Jul 2008 12:13:05
Message: <op.ues0h2k4c3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:08:33 +0100, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> did  
spake, saying:

>   Botox, a neurotoxin, is one of the most poisonous naturally occurring
> substances in the world, and it is the most toxic protein. It's about
> one million times more toxic than, for example, strychnine (a common rat
> poison). Just a few hundred grams of botox would be enough to kill every
> human on Earth. (0.1 micrograms is enough to kill a person.)
>
>   Yet botox is used as a common cosmetic treatment around the world.

But it gets rid of my wrinkles and makes me look young and pretty!

-- 
Phil Cook

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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 24 Jul 2008 13:38:06
Message: <4888bdfe@news.povray.org>
Phil Cook wrote:

> But it gets rid of my wrinkles and makes me look young and pretty!

...is anybody ELSE creeped out by the idea of Phil being young and/or 
pretty?

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From: Clarence1898
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 24 Jul 2008 14:25:00
Message: <web.4888c6f141cc779a21c01cf40@news.povray.org>
Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Warp wrote:
> >   Botox, a neurotoxin, is one of the most poisonous naturally occurring
> > substances in the world, and it is the most toxic protein. It's about
> > one million times more toxic than, for example, strychnine (a common rat
> > poison). Just a few hundred grams of botox would be enough to kill every
> > human on Earth. (0.1 micrograms is enough to kill a person.)
> >
> >   Yet botox is used as a common cosmetic treatment around the world.
>
> Have you heard about dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO)?
>
> It has some pretty scary health implications...
>
> --
> http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
> http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*

There have been a number of fatalities in recent years attributed to DMHO
intoxication.  IIRC Andy Warhol was a victim of DMHO intoxication.  Inhaling
DMHO has been documented as causing an even greater number of deaths.  I can't
even begin to comment on the catastrophic damage to the environment due to
excessive amounts of DMHO.

Isaac.


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From: Clarence1898
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 24 Jul 2008 14:35:00
Message: <web.4888ca9741cc779a21c01cf40@news.povray.org>
"Clarence1898" <cla### [at] comcastnet> wrote:
> Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> > Warp wrote:
> > >   Botox, a neurotoxin, is one of the most poisonous naturally occurring
> > > substances in the world, and it is the most toxic protein. It's about
> > > one million times more toxic than, for example, strychnine (a common rat
> > > poison). Just a few hundred grams of botox would be enough to kill every
> > > human on Earth. (0.1 micrograms is enough to kill a person.)
> > >
> > >   Yet botox is used as a common cosmetic treatment around the world.
> >
> > Have you heard about dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO)?
> >
> > It has some pretty scary health implications...
> >
> > --
> > http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
> > http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
>
> There have been a number of fatalities in recent years attributed to DMHO
> intoxication.  IIRC Andy Warhol was a victim of DMHO intoxication.  Inhaling
> DMHO has been documented as causing an even greater number of deaths.  I can't
> even begin to comment on the catastrophic damage to the environment due to
> excessive amounts of DMHO.
>
> Isaac.

Oops, thats DHMO not DMHO.  I just washed my hands today and can't do a thing
with them.

Isaac


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From: St 
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 24 Jul 2008 14:39:55
Message: <4888cc7b$1@news.povray.org>
"Clarence1898" <cla### [at] comcastnet> wrote in message 
news:web.4888c6f141cc779a21c01cf40@news.povray.org...

> There have been a number of fatalities in recent years attributed to DMHO
> intoxication.  IIRC Andy Warhol was a victim of DMHO intoxication. 
> Inhaling
> DMHO has been documented as causing an even greater number of deaths.  I 
> can't
> even begin to comment on the catastrophic damage to the environment due to
> excessive amounts of DMHO.

   Woaah. Heavy. Are we breathing this stuff in?


      ~Steve~


>
> Isaac.
>
>
>


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From: St 
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 24 Jul 2008 14:44:39
Message: <4888cd97$1@news.povray.org>
Heh, replied just after you without refreshing the group..!  ;)

  ~Steve~


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 24 Jul 2008 14:49:22
Message: <4888ceb2$1@news.povray.org>
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:39:31 +0100, St. wrote:

>    Woaah. Heavy. Are we breathing this stuff in?

Oh yes, but me living here in the desert, I'm breathing in less than you 
probably are.

On a serious note, I know someone whose wife is in jail because of the 
death of their adopted daughter due to a DHMO overdose.  Very sad story.

Jim


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 24 Jul 2008 15:03:10
Message: <4888d1ee@news.povray.org>
Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Warp wrote:
> >   Botox, a neurotoxin, is one of the most poisonous naturally occurring
> > substances in the world, and it is the most toxic protein. It's about
> > one million times more toxic than, for example, strychnine (a common rat
> > poison). Just a few hundred grams of botox would be enough to kill every
> > human on Earth. (0.1 micrograms is enough to kill a person.)
> > 
> >   Yet botox is used as a common cosmetic treatment around the world.

> Have you heard about dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO)?

> It has some pretty scary health implications...

  Except that botox is a real neurotoxin.

-- 
                                                          - Warp


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From: St 
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 24 Jul 2008 15:03:48
Message: <4888d214$1@news.povray.org>
"Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message 
news:4888ceb2$1@news.povray.org...
> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:39:31 +0100, St. wrote:
>
>>    Woaah. Heavy. Are we breathing this stuff in?
>
> Oh yes,


    Knew it.  :/


but me living here in the desert, I'm breathing in less than you
> probably are.

    Wanna swap houses Jim? Come and live in Beautiful Britain! Heh...  ;)


>
> On a serious note, I know someone whose wife is in jail because of the
> death of their adopted daughter due to a DHMO overdose.  Very sad story.

    Gah, sorry to hear that. So many people, so many problems in this 
world... It's not good.

      ~Steve~


>
> Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 24 Jul 2008 15:09:46
Message: <4888d37a@news.povray.org>
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:03:38 +0100, St. wrote:
>
>> but me living here in the desert, I'm breathing in less than you
>> probably are.
> 
>     Wanna swap houses Jim? Come and live in Beautiful Britain! Heh... 
>     ;)

I don't recall if I've said it before here, but we have actually thought 
about moving.  And with my wife's medical conditions, actually, the high 
altitude, direct sunlight, and low humidity aggravate those conditions, 
so we are going to *have* to move sooner or later (and sooner would be 
better).



>> On a serious note, I know someone whose wife is in jail because of the
>> death of their adopted daughter due to a DHMO overdose.  Very sad
>> story.
> 
>     Gah, sorry to hear that. So many people, so many problems in this
> world... It's not good.

Yeah.  The situation was (and still is, for that matter) quite unusual.  
Apparently the "punishment" that was used was at the recommendation of a 
therapist.  The way it was administered, though, caused overhydration to 
an extent that it resulted in death.  I also understand there were/are 
some psychological factors with the mother as well, but I don't know all 
the details of that (it's not the sort of thing you ask about in casual 
conversation, and I don't know the husband well enough to engage in even 
casual conversation about much of anything, much less about the death of 
his adopted daughter).

Jim


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 24 Jul 2008 15:17:58
Message: <4888d566$1@news.povray.org>
St. wrote:

>    Woaah. Heavy. Are we breathing this stuff in?

Perhaps more alarmingly, WE'RE BREATHING IT OUT! ;-)

-- 
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 24 Jul 2008 15:20:27
Message: <4888d5fb$1@news.povray.org>
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:17:58 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:

> St. wrote:
> 
>>    Woaah. Heavy. Are we breathing this stuff in?
> 
> Perhaps more alarmingly, WE'RE BREATHING IT OUT! ;-)

Oh no!   You're right, we're not merely suffering from it, we're 
contributing to the problem!  Aaaaieeeeeeeee!

Jim


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 24 Jul 2008 15:23:12
Message: <4888d6a0@news.povray.org>
>> Have you heard about dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO)?
> 
>> It has some pretty scary health implications...
> 
>   Except that botox is a real neurotoxin.

And DHMO really *does* kill far more people every year than botox ever will.

Come to mention it, it only takes a gram or two of aspirin to cause some 
pretty damned serious medical problems. Indeed, almost *all* drugs are 
leathally toxic when taken in really quite tiny amounts. (Nibble a few 
foxglove seeds and watch as you go into cardiac arrest. And they *give* 
this stuff to people who have heart problems... go figure!)

Hell, people have been killed by *air* for goodness' sake! o_O

Just about anything can kill you... it's just a question of how likely 
this is.

Did I mention the guy my dad knew? Rolled over in his sleep, a rib 
snapped, and PUNCTURED HIS LUNG! If his wife hadn't been right next to 
him, he'd be dead now. And he was only trying to SLEEP. Sleeping is 
dangerous. Swallowing [and hence eating and drinking] is dangerous. 
Hell, BEING ALIVE is dangerous... It makes you quite paranoid if you 
think about it too much.

Now, if you want something "really" crazy... People drink tea. Tea 
tastes the way it does because of tannins in the leaves. These actually 
don't do the plant any good; it only grows them TO MAKE THE LEAVES TASTE 
BAD so that THINGS WON'T EAT IT. So... we drink tea because it contains 
chemicals to make it "taste bad"... how ****ed up is that?!

-- 
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 24 Jul 2008 15:43:34
Message: <4888db65@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> >> Have you heard about dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO)?
> > 
> >> It has some pretty scary health implications...
> > 
> >   Except that botox is a real neurotoxin.

> And DHMO really *does* kill far more people every year than botox ever will.

  I don't think 0.1 micrograms of DHMO has ever killed anyone.

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Jim Holsenback
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 24 Jul 2008 15:44:01
Message: <4888db81@news.povray.org>
"Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
news:4888d6a0@news.povray.org...

> Hell, BEING ALIVE is dangerous... It makes you quite paranoid if you think 
> about it too much.

that's a fact ..... look at it this way. you've cheated death (if) when you 
wake up the next morning ;-)


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From: St 
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 24 Jul 2008 16:13:34
Message: <4888e26e@news.povray.org>
"Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message 
news:4888d37a@news.povray.org...
> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:03:38 +0100, St. wrote:
>>
>>> but me living here in the desert, I'm breathing in less than you
>>> probably are.
>>
>>     Wanna swap houses Jim? Come and live in Beautiful Britain! Heh...
>>     ;)
>
> I don't recall if I've said it before here, but we have actually thought
> about moving.  And with my wife's medical conditions, actually, the high
> altitude, direct sunlight, and low humidity aggravate those conditions,
> so we are going to *have* to move sooner or later (and sooner would be
> better).

    Move here? The UK? Apparently, it's a mini New Zealand (country-side 
wise). Just beautiful.


>
>
>
>>> On a serious note, I know someone whose wife is in jail because of the
>>> death of their adopted daughter due to a DHMO overdose.  Very sad
>>> story.
>>
>>     Gah, sorry to hear that. So many people, so many problems in this
>> world... It's not good.
>
> Yeah.  The situation was (and still is, for that matter) quite unusual.
> Apparently the "punishment" that was used was at the recommendation of a
> therapist.  The way it was administered, though, caused overhydration to
> an extent that it resulted in death.  I also understand there were/are
> some psychological factors with the mother as well,


     That last sentence, I can relate to.



but I don't know all
> the details of that (it's not the sort of thing you ask about in casual
> conversation, and I don't know the husband well enough to engage in even
> casual conversation about much of anything, much less about the death of
> his adopted daughter).

    True. It's hard to talk sometimes. It's like being in prison - you don't 
ask your cellmate what he did to be put inside.  <sigh>

      ~Steve~


>
> Jim


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From: St 
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 24 Jul 2008 16:16:46
Message: <4888e32e$1@news.povray.org>
"Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
news:4888d566$1@news.povray.org...
> St. wrote:
>
>>    Woaah. Heavy. Are we breathing this stuff in?
>
> Perhaps more alarmingly, WE'RE BREATHING IT OUT! ;-)

    Really? Good job you're typing this stuff then Andrew.  ;)

      ~Steve~

>
> -- 
> http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
> http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 24 Jul 2008 17:02:07
Message: <4888edcf$1@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:

>   I don't think 0.1 micrograms of DHMO has ever killed anyone.

My point is not that botox is completely harmless, but rather than a 
great many quite ordinary substances can be surprisingly harmful... ;-)

Eat enough apple pips and you'll drop dead. But nobody worries about it 
too much because you'd have to eat a ridiculous amount of them. 
Similarly, the carefully measured dose of botox used in surgery is far 
too tiny to pose any threat to anything. Indeed, *most* drugs are 
lethally toxin even when taken in really quite small amounts.

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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 24 Jul 2008 17:02:13
Message: <4888edd5$1@news.povray.org>
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:13:25 +0100, St. wrote:

>> I don't recall if I've said it before here, but we have actually
>> thought about moving.  And with my wife's medical conditions, actually,
>> the high altitude, direct sunlight, and low humidity aggravate those
>> conditions, so we are going to *have* to move sooner or later (and
>> sooner would be better).
> 
>     Move here? The UK? Apparently, it's a mini New Zealand (country-side
> wise). Just beautiful.

Yeah, there - the UK. :-)  We do think it's beautiful there; we've 
visited a couple times, and most of our really close friends are there.  
It's a shame we only get to see them when we get over there, they get 
over here, or "virtually" online.

>> Yeah.  The situation was (and still is, for that matter) quite unusual.
>> Apparently the "punishment" that was used was at the recommendation of
>> a therapist.  The way it was administered, though, caused overhydration
>> to an extent that it resulted in death.  I also understand there
>> were/are some psychological factors with the mother as well,
> 
>      That last sentence, I can relate to.

Yeah, from what I understand from people who know the family better, 
something's seriously messed up.

>     True. It's hard to talk sometimes. It's like being in prison - you
>     don't
> ask your cellmate what he did to be put inside.  <sigh>

I won't ask how you know that. ;-)

Jim


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 24 Jul 2008 17:14:55
Message: <4888f0cf@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Eat enough apple pips and you'll drop dead. But nobody worries about it 
> too much because you'd have to eat a ridiculous amount of them. 
> Similarly, the carefully measured dose of botox used in surgery is far 
> too tiny to pose any threat to anything.

  The difference is that measuring apple pips in kilograms is rather easy,
even without any tools. Measuring nanograms of botox is extremely difficult,
even with really sophisticated tools.

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 24 Jul 2008 17:20:37
Message: <4888f225$1@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:

>   The difference is that measuring apple pips in kilograms is rather easy,
> even without any tools. Measuring nanograms of botox is extremely difficult,
> even with really sophisticated tools.

Measuring out one nanogram of liquid is very hard.

However, I rather suspect that what they *actually* do is take (say) 1 L 
of pure botox and mix with 9 L of pure water, then take 1 L of the 
mixture and add it to another 9 L of pure water, then... recurse a few 
times and you can create a water/botox mixture of very precise 
concentration without having to actually measure anything particularly 
accurately.

(Sorry... my dad actually works in a lab where we routinely make up 
solutions of, say, 4 ug of aspirin per L of liquid.)

-- 
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From: St 
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 24 Jul 2008 17:28:54
Message: <4888f416$1@news.povray.org>
"Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message 
news:4888edd5$1@news.povray.org...
> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:13:25 +0100, St. wrote:
>
>>> I don't recall if I've said it before here, but we have actually
>>> thought about moving.  And with my wife's medical conditions, actually,
>>> the high altitude, direct sunlight, and low humidity aggravate those
>>> conditions, so we are going to *have* to move sooner or later (and
>>> sooner would be better).
>>
>>     Move here? The UK? Apparently, it's a mini New Zealand (country-side
>> wise). Just beautiful.
>
> Yeah, there - the UK. :-)  We do think it's beautiful there; we've
> visited a couple times, and most of our really close friends are there.
> It's a shame we only get to see them when we get over there, they get
> over here, or "virtually" online.

     Ah, Jim, go for it then. I know you would like it. If you want 'busy' 
then move to London (and venture out). Or move to Birmingham or Manchester. 
But if you want beauty, hit Wales, Scotland, or Ireland for those benefits. 
You won't go wrong if that's what you want.



>
>>> Yeah.  The situation was (and still is, for that matter) quite unusual.
>>> Apparently the "punishment" that was used was at the recommendation of
>>> a therapist.  The way it was administered, though, caused overhydration
>>> to an extent that it resulted in death.  I also understand there
>>> were/are some psychological factors with the mother as well,
>>
>>      That last sentence, I can relate to.
>
> Yeah, from what I understand from people who know the family better,
> something's seriously messed up.



     "Seriously messed up" is what I understand.  :/



>
>>     True. It's hard to talk sometimes. It's like being in prison - you
>>     don't
>> ask your cellmate what he did to be put inside.  <sigh>
>
> I won't ask how you know that. ;-)

   Ah well, I've posted it here before, so it doesn't really matter, but 
when I was around 20 years old, I was sent to prison for 30 days for 
non-payment of fine. I was a bike nutter back then and didn't follow the 
laws as I should have, no insurance etc., BUT *nothing* would keep me off a 
bike back then. I'm 45 years old now, and haven't ridden a motorbike in 20 
years. Yes, I learned my lesson. I would LOVE to ride again, but these old 
bones couldn't handle 180+ on these new Superbikes - I think.  ;)

      ~Steve~




>
> Jim


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From: St 
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 24 Jul 2008 17:49:47
Message: <4888f8fb$1@news.povray.org>
Oh, and to answer your actual question, ;) I was penned-up with a young 
bible carrying Rastafarian who wanted to 'box' me at 2am in the morning on 
my first night. Waking me to do so. He then read some bible to me, and then 
smacked me on the nose. (Yes, it was bleeding).

  Now, back then, I was a fit young guy that could have knocked this guy 
out, but, when I first went in there I was aware enough to see who was in 
the neighboring cells - and yes, they were BIG Rasta boys. I mean six+ guys 
with Arnie's arms. Man, that scared me back then!

   ~Steve~


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 24 Jul 2008 18:56:53
Message: <488908b5$1@news.povray.org>
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:28:47 +0100, St. wrote:

> "Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message
> news:4888edd5$1@news.povray.org...
>> Yeah, there - the UK. :-)  We do think it's beautiful there; we've
>> visited a couple times, and most of our really close friends are there.
>> It's a shame we only get to see them when we get over there, they get
>> over here, or "virtually" online.
> 
>      Ah, Jim, go for it then. I know you would like it. If you want
>      'busy'
> then move to London (and venture out). Or move to Birmingham or
> Manchester. But if you want beauty, hit Wales, Scotland, or Ireland for
> those benefits. You won't go wrong if that's what you want.

My wife grew up in a small town; we have good friends in Bucks and near 
Stratford, but also up near Edinburough as well.  Come to think, also got 
some down in Hastings, too.

We have considered Scotland as well; my friends up there own their own 
consulting business and it happens to be in technology I'm very well 
acquainted with, so if they could afford me, I'm sure I could get in 
easily on a work visa.  Problem for me is I don't have a degree, and I 
understand in England at least, that's now one of three criteria being 
applied by the home office (the others I've heard are age - and we're too 
old, and money to invest - and we don't have any).  But a work visa would 
be good enough to get started at least. :-)

>> Yeah, from what I understand from people who know the family better,
>> something's seriously messed up.
> 
>      "Seriously messed up" is what I understand.  :/

Yeah, I thought I had understood that from what you said.

>>>     True. It's hard to talk sometimes. It's like being in prison - you
>>>     don't
>>> ask your cellmate what he did to be put inside.  <sigh>
>>
>> I won't ask how you know that. ;-)
> 
>    Ah well, I've posted it here before, so it doesn't really matter, but
> when I was around 20 years old, I was sent to prison for 30 days for
> non-payment of fine. I was a bike nutter back then and didn't follow the
> laws as I should have, no insurance etc., BUT *nothing* would keep me
> off a bike back then. I'm 45 years old now, and haven't ridden a
> motorbike in 20 years. Yes, I learned my lesson. I would LOVE to ride
> again, but these old bones couldn't handle 180+ on these new Superbikes
> - I think.  ;)

Ah, I see - well, I somehow missed that.  That's not nearly as bad as it 
could have been, though I'm sure even 30 days was no cakewalk.

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 24 Jul 2008 18:57:49
Message: <488908ed$1@news.povray.org>
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:49:38 +0100, St. wrote:

> Oh, and to answer your actual question, ;) I was penned-up with a young
> bible carrying Rastafarian who wanted to 'box' me at 2am in the morning
> on my first night. Waking me to do so. He then read some bible to me,
> and then smacked me on the nose. (Yes, it was bleeding).

Sheesh.  Some people's kids, eh?

>   Now, back then, I was a fit young guy that could have knocked this guy
> out, but, when I first went in there I was aware enough to see who was
> in the neighboring cells - and yes, they were BIG Rasta boys. I mean
> six+ guys with Arnie's arms. Man, that scared me back then!

That'd concern me NOW even. ;-)

Jim


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 24 Jul 2008 20:03:00
Message: <48891834@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> However, I rather suspect that what they *actually* do is take (say) 1 L 
> of pure botox and mix with 9 L of pure water, then take 1 L of the 
> mixture and add it to another 9 L of pure water, then... recurse a few 
> times and you can create a water/botox mixture of very precise 
> concentration without having to actually measure anything particularly 
> accurately.

  That assumes the botox spreads evenly inside the water and doesn't
clump (eg. because of chemical properties or gravity).

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                                                          - Warp


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From: Chambers
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 24 Jul 2008 23:01:49
Message: <4889421d@news.povray.org>
Life is a terminal disease.

I'm going to live forever if it kills me.

I'm going to live forever or die in the attempt.

The world is so dangerous that none of us will get out of it alive.

That's all I can think of right now, but I used to know loads more like 
this :)

...Chambers


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From: St 
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 25 Jul 2008 00:17:02
Message: <488953be$1@news.povray.org>
"Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message 
news:488908b5$1@news.povray.org...

> Ah, I see - well, I somehow missed that.  That's not nearly as bad as it
> could have been, though I'm sure even 30 days was no cakewalk.

       Yes, I was a Rebel without a Cause...   ;)

        I went in as a 19 year old boy and came out as 20 year old man. I 
learnt *a lot* in there. When I first got arrested, it was a Sunday, and I 
was tucked up in bed with my other half dreaming of that super-bike that I 
would never have, but the police were like: "Can't you just pay the fine 
now?" They didn't want to take me in for non payment of fine and they were 
like: "This is nuts". But, I just couldn't pay the fine, so I had to go. 
Now, because in the eyes of the law I was still technically a 'youth', my 
sentence was 30 days in a youth offender's hostel, but there weren't any 
places that they could get me into easily and quickly, which resulted in me 
being put in a normal adult prison for the first 4 days. Those 4 days, 
(sharing a cell with that Rasta guy), were the scariest of my life.

    They then drove me 150 miles away to complete my sentence in a youth 
offenders hostel where I shared a dorm with another 19 lads. Oh. My. God. 
That really woke me up. Every trick under the sun was witnessed and 
experienced by myself. First night: my bed collapsed when I jumped in. 
Second night: head first down the dorm toilet. Third night: razor blade to 
the throat. Fourth night: a fight with a weirdo that had a 'grudge' against 
me. Fifth night: a new guy arrives. He doesn't want to be in this place, he 
wants to be somewhere else, so someone suggested that he smashes all the of 
the dorm windows - so he did, and he got moved - to solitary, lol! And it 
goes on. Every day, there was something new happening. Most of it was fun 
and a good laugh like some of the guys got another guy to do that spinning 
thing with a broom handle piercing the ceiling and then the guy did about 
200 spins underneath it, and when he finished, another guy bear-hugged him 
until he was unconcious - I have never seen anything so funny! The guy was 
drunk without alcohol! He was falling over, he was saying weird things, 
(like talking to his mum, even though she wasn't there). But, to be honest, 
thinking about it now, that guy was probably close to death.

    Yes, a weird episode in my life, but like I mentioned, I learnt a lot. 
After I was released, I never rode a motorbike again.

     ~Steve~



>
> Jim


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 25 Jul 2008 04:21:58
Message: <48898d26$1@news.povray.org>
>> However, I rather suspect that what they *actually* do is take (say) 1 L 
>> of pure botox and mix with 9 L of pure water, then take 1 L of the 
>> mixture and add it to another 9 L of pure water, then... recurse a few 
>> times and you can create a water/botox mixture of very precise 
>> concentration without having to actually measure anything particularly 
>> accurately.
> 
>   That assumes the botox spreads evenly inside the water and doesn't
> clump (eg. because of chemical properties or gravity).

Yes, it does. Typically this is a reasonable assumption. (There is 
obviously a lot of stiring involved.)

I note that while it may be very difficult to measure out tiny volumes 
of a liquid or solid, it is probably quite *easy* to take some diluted 
botox and confirm exactly how dilute it is or isn't. (This is precisely 
the kind of job my company gets paid for.)

-- 
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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 25 Jul 2008 04:22:38
Message: <48898d4e$1@news.povray.org>
Chambers wrote:
> Life is a terminal disease.

Life is a sexually-transmitted disease.

-- 
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 25 Jul 2008 04:38:52
Message: <op.ueuaasfsc3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:31:51 +0100, Clarence1898  
<cla### [at] comcastnet> did spake, saying:

> Oops, thats DHMO not DMHO.  I just washed my hands today and can't do a  
> thing with them.

Indeed yet another ill-effect of DHMO that needs to be added to the list.  
How many more dangers do we need to find before the governments of the  
world act?

-- 
Phil Cook

--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com


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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 25 Jul 2008 05:20:53
Message: <op.ueub7gdyc3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:28:47 +0100, St. <dot### [at] dotcom> did spake,  
saying:

>
> "Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message
> news:4888edd5$1@news.povray.org...
>> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:13:25 +0100, St. wrote:
>>
>>>> I don't recall if I've said it before here, but we have actually
>>>> thought about moving.  And with my wife's medical conditions,  
>>>> actually,
>>>> the high altitude, direct sunlight, and low humidity aggravate those
>>>> conditions, so we are going to *have* to move sooner or later (and
>>>> sooner would be better).

You don't want high altitude, direct sunlight, or low humidity... wow the  
UK must seem like paradise! ;-)

>>>     Move here? The UK? Apparently, it's a mini New Zealand  
>>> (country-side wise). Just beautiful.
>>
>> Yeah, there - the UK. :-)  We do think it's beautiful there; we've
>> visited a couple times, and most of our really close friends are there.
>> It's a shame we only get to see them when we get over there, they get
>> over here, or "virtually" online.
>
>      Ah, Jim, go for it then. I know you would like it. If you want  
> 'busy' then move to London (and venture out). Or move to Birmingham or  
> Manchester. But if you want beauty, hit Wales, Scotland, or Ireland for  
> those benefits. You won't go wrong if that's what you want.

Hey it's pretty around here too and still within spitting distance of Brum  
(this statement brought to you by the Wyre Forest Tourism Board ;-) )  
Thinking about it we've some new houses about to go up for sale that are  
supposed to include mooring rights if you fancy living on a canal boat.

http://www.waterscape.com/map

Just to demonstrate how far around you could get.

-- 
Phil Cook

--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com


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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 25 Jul 2008 05:32:45
Message: <op.ueucq1zkc3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:38:05 +0100, Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull>  
did spake, saying:

> Phil Cook wrote:
>
>> But it gets rid of my wrinkles and makes me look young and pretty!
>
> ...is anybody ELSE creeped out by the idea of Phil being young and/or  
> pretty?

I feel pretty,
Oh, so pretty,
I feel pretty and witty and bright!

-- 
Phil Cook

--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com


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From: St 
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 25 Jul 2008 05:40:49
Message: <48899fa1$1@news.povray.org>
"Phil Cook" <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote in message 
news:op.ueub7gdyc3xi7v@news.povray.org...
> And lo on Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:28:47 +0100, St. <dot### [at] dotcom> did spake, 
> saying:

> Hey it's pretty around here too and still within spitting distance of Brum 
> (this statement brought to you by the Wyre Forest Tourism Board ;-) )

    Heh, yes, true. As an ex Wiltshire and Gloucestershire lad, I can vouch 
for that. I was merely pointing out that there are other places than 
England. :)

    ~Steve~




> Phil Cook
>
> --
> I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
> http://flipc.blogspot.com


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 25 Jul 2008 05:43:42
Message: <4889a04e@news.povray.org>
Phil Cook wrote:

> I feel pretty,
> Oh, so pretty,
> I feel pretty and witty and bright!

Witty I'll give you... :-P

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: Sabrina Kilian
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 25 Jul 2008 05:53:22
Message: <4889a292$1@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> However, I rather suspect that what they *actually* do is take (say) 1 L 
>> of pure botox and mix with 9 L of pure water, then take 1 L of the 
>> mixture and add it to another 9 L of pure water, then... recurse a few 
>> times and you can create a water/botox mixture of very precise 
>> concentration without having to actually measure anything particularly 
>> accurately.
> 
>   That assumes the botox spreads evenly inside the water and doesn't
> clump (eg. because of chemical properties or gravity).
> 

So, instead of water us a chemical that botox is known to be soluble in. 
Assay samples at each step to ensure that it is at the proper 
concentration. There are lots of safe solvents and binders that could be 
used.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 25 Jul 2008 06:27:45
Message: <pkaj84hq9qvr4mqtpqmagvgngigfea4hr3@4ax.com>
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:02:14 +0100, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:

>
>Have you heard about dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO)?
>
>It has some pretty scary health implications...


What a load a wets

It really annoys me seeing lots of people who can't go 10 minuets without taking
a drink from their water bottle. 
Big Phil's blouses.

He's so pretty, he's so pretty 
Pretty and witty and wise. Tra la la :)

So there!
-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 25 Jul 2008 06:37:39
Message: <4889acf3$1@news.povray.org>
Stephen wrote:

> What a load a wets
> 
> It really annoys me seeing lots of people who can't go 10 minuets without taking
> a drink from their water bottle. 
> Big Phil's blouses.
> 
> He's so pretty, he's so pretty 
> Pretty and witty and wise. Tra la la :)
> 
> So there!


Uh-oh... Stephen's going la-la! o_O

-- 
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 25 Jul 2008 07:02:28
Message: <2kcj845hf1tqk453b5kgjrt3jl3n98gelg@4ax.com>
On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:37:40 +0100, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:

>
>Uh-oh... Stephen's going la-la! o_O

Demob happy I'm driving back home soon. Tra la!
-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 25 Jul 2008 07:33:28
Message: <op.ueuh8lsmc3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:40:41 +0100, St. <dot### [at] dotcom> did spake,  
saying:

>
> "Phil Cook" <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote in message
> news:op.ueub7gdyc3xi7v@news.povray.org...
>> And lo on Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:28:47 +0100, St. <dot### [at] dotcom> did spake,
>> saying:
>
>> Hey it's pretty around here too and still within spitting distance of  
>> Brum
>> (this statement brought to you by the Wyre Forest Tourism Board ;-) )
>
>     Heh, yes, true. As an ex Wiltshire and Gloucestershire lad, I can  
> vouch for that. I was merely pointing out that there are other places  
> than
> England. :)

Yeah, but they's all speak roight funny round there. Best to stick to  
places with proper English loike.

-- 
Phil Cook

--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com


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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 25 Jul 2008 07:34:50
Message: <op.ueuiazmcc3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:43:38 +0100, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> did  
spake, saying:

> Phil Cook wrote:
>
>> I feel pretty,
>> Oh, so pretty,
>> I feel pretty and witty and bright!
>
> Witty I'll give you... :-P

You sayin' I ain't pretty? [sniff]

-- 
Phil Cook

--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 25 Jul 2008 08:07:20
Message: <4889c1f8$1@news.povray.org>
Phil Cook wrote:
> And lo on Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:43:38 +0100, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> did 
> spake, saying:
> 
>> Phil Cook wrote:
>>
>>> I feel pretty,
>>> Oh, so pretty,
>>> I feel pretty and witty and bright!
>>
>> Witty I'll give you... :-P
> 
> You sayin' I ain't pretty? [sniff]

Well let's put it this way... the only picture I've seen of you just 
looks like a footprint in the sand. :-P

-- 
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: St 
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 25 Jul 2008 09:01:58
Message: <4889cec6@news.povray.org>
"Phil Cook" <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote in message 
news:op.ueuh8lsmc3xi7v@news.povray.org...
> And lo on Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:40:41 +0100, St. <dot### [at] dotcom> did spake, 
> saying:


>
> Yeah, but they's all speak roight funny round there. Best to stick to 
> places with proper English loike.

 HAHAHA! :) Heh, yeah, you're not wrong... :)

    ~Steve~


>
> -- 
> Phil Cook
>
> --
> I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
> http://flipc.blogspot.com


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 25 Jul 2008 09:02:29
Message: <4889cee5@news.povray.org>
Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Life is a sexually-transmitted disease.

  You forgot to mention the prognosis.

-- 
                                                          - Warp


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From: St 
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 25 Jul 2008 09:03:51
Message: <4889cf37$1@news.povray.org>
"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
news:4889c1f8$1@news.povray.org...
> Phil Cook wrote:

>>
>> You sayin' I ain't pretty? [sniff]
>
> Well let's put it this way... the only picture I've seen of you just looks 
> like a footprint in the sand. :-P

     Nah, don't you remember the one with long hair? Or was that someone 
else?

       ~Steve~


>
> -- 
> http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
> http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 25 Jul 2008 09:20:36
Message: <4889d324$1@news.povray.org>
>> Life is a sexually-transmitted disease.
> 
>   You forgot to mention the prognosis.

...the man has a point.

-- 
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: People are crazy
Date: 25 Jul 2008 09:35:15
Message: <op.ueunx2u8c3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:03:42 +0100, St. <dot### [at] dotcom> did spake,  
saying:

>
> "Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
> news:4889c1f8$1@news.povray.org...
>> Phil Cook wrote:
>
>>>
>>> You sayin' I ain't pretty? [sniff]
>>
>> Well let's put it this way... the only picture I've seen of you just  
>> looks like a footprint in the sand. :-P

You sayin' I ain't got pretty footprints?

>      Nah, don't you remember the one with long hair? Or was that someone
> else?

Indeed 'twas I; one keeps one's visage from the public view lest it  
engender dangerous amounts of lust and envy from both ladies and gentlemen  
alike and cause unprecedented load on those servers that play host to it.

-- 
Phil Cook

--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com


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