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I'm 97% sure you'll be able to answer this...
You know when somebody says something like "the TCP protocol", but the P
already stands for "protocol", so they're really saying "the
transmission control protocol protocol"... annoying, isn't it?... is
there a name for that particular mistake?
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Reminds me of FAT tables, or "please respond with an RSVP". Dunno if
there's a name for it though.
Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> I'm 97% sure you'll be able to answer this...
>
> You know when somebody says something like "the TCP protocol", but the P
> already stands for "protocol", so they're really saying "the
> transmission control protocol protocol"... annoying, isn't it?... is
> there a name for that particular mistake?
>
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Kevin Wampler wrote:
> Reminds me of FAT tables, or "please respond with an RSVP". Dunno if
> there's a name for it though.
This is Kerry, our new QC checker...
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On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:12:41 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> s there a name for
> that particular mistake?
Redundancy. ;-)
ATM Machine, NIC Card....
Jim
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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] dev null> wrote:
> You know when somebody says something like "the TCP protocol", but the P
> already stands for "protocol", so they're really saying "the
> transmission control protocol protocol"... annoying, isn't it?... is
> there a name for that particular mistake?
I don't know if that has any name assigned to, but what I do know is
that in Finnish that's officially perfectly valid, as specified by the
Research Institute for the Languages of Finland, the official organization
which specifies what is correct Finnish and what isn't.
I would be surprised if this wasn't the case with many other languages
as well, including English.
"The TCP protocol" is thus correct, and if you need to "open it", you
say "the transmission control protocol".
Anything else is hairsplitting.
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Warp wrote:
> I don't know if that has any name assigned to, but what I do know is
> that in Finnish that's officially perfectly valid, as specified by the
> Research Institute for the Languages of Finland, the official organization
> which specifies what is correct Finnish and what isn't.
>
> I would be surprised if this wasn't the case with many other languages
> as well, including English.
>
> "The TCP protocol" is thus correct, and if you need to "open it", you
> say "the transmission control protocol".
>
> Anything else is hairsplitting.
...so there you have it, ladies and gentleman!
Well, well. I asked Wikipedia about it, and so far I've just spent a
whiel reading about such unrelated topics as "article" and "particle"...
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Warp wrote:
> Anything else is hairsplitting.
Yes. I once got flamed on a list for calling it "An ATM machine". The
person managed to flame me before even getting down to the second
paragraph describing how some ATM machines use the ATM protocol to
communicate with the host bank.
Seemed kind of silly.
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Helpful housekeeping hints:
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before putting them in the washing machine.
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"Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message
news:4877b3ee$1@news.povray.org...
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:12:41 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>
> > s there a name for
> > that particular mistake?
>
> Redundancy. ;-)
>
> ATM Machine, NIC Card....
The Sahara desert, SQL language
I'm sure we could go on for hours
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On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:57:30 +0200, Gail Shaw wrote:
> "Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message
> news:4877b3ee$1@news.povray.org...
>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:12:41 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>
>> > s there a name for
>> > that particular mistake?
>>
>> Redundancy. ;-)
>>
>> ATM Machine, NIC Card....
>
> The Sahara desert, SQL language
> I'm sure we could go on for hours
I don't know that "Sahara Desert" is the same type of redundancy, though
- I understand that the word "Sahara" means "Desert", but that's
different from "SQL Language".
Jim
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Gail Shaw wrote:
> The Sahara desert, SQL language
Well, there's that too. I live near "La Jolla Cove". Where "La Jolla" in
Spanish is "cove". (Assuming you spell it right, which "La Jolla" isn't.)
Back on the east coast, there's a place called something like "Mount
Campbell Hill", except it's about 5 words long, and each word is "Hill"
in a different language. Apparently, every time someone new conquered
the region, they called it "Yadda yadda hill" in the local language, and
it just grew from there.
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Check your feather pillows for holes
before putting them in the washing machine.
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"Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message
news:4877bbcb$1@news.povray.org...
> I don't know that "Sahara Desert" is the same type of redundancy, though
Probably not.
It's kinda a case of is it a word in a foreign language, or is it a proper
noun. But then you could probably make the argument that some acronyms are
almost words and have lost their former meanings
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On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 22:07:29 +0200, Gail Shaw wrote:
> "Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message
> news:4877bbcb$1@news.povray.org...
>
>> I don't know that "Sahara Desert" is the same type of redundancy,
>> though
>
> Probably not.
> It's kinda a case of is it a word in a foreign language, or is it a
> proper noun. But then you could probably make the argument that some
> acronyms are almost words and have lost their former meanings
That's certainly true enough. :-)
Jim
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> I'm 97% sure you'll be able to answer this...
>
> You know when somebody says something like "the TCP protocol", but the P
> already stands for "protocol", so they're really saying "the
> transmission control protocol protocol"... annoying, isn't it?... is
> there a name for that particular mistake?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAS_syndrome
Otherwise described as a rhetorical tautology or pleonasm.
Apparently.
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While we're on the subject of obscure grammatical edge-cases...
According to the rules, a word beginning with a vowel should be prefixed
with "an", otherwise it's just "a":
A cat.
An elephant.
The idea - apparently - is that it's awkward to move from the sound of
"a" to the sound of "e" without an intervining consonant.
Now consider:
A Europian.
Technically, according to the rules, this should in fact be
An Europian.
which just sounds silly...
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Orchid XP v8 a écrit :
> While we're on the subject of obscure grammatical edge-cases...
>
> According to the rules, a word beginning with a vowel should be prefixed
> with "an", otherwise it's just "a":
>
> A cat.
> An elephant.
>
> The idea - apparently - is that it's awkward to move from the sound of
> "a" to the sound of "e" without an intervining consonant.
>
> Now consider:
>
> A Europian.
>
> Technically, according to the rules, this should in fact be
>
> An Europian.
>
> which just sounds silly...
>
Well the sound at the beginning of "European" is arguably a consonant,
so the rule still works...
/ˌjʊəɹəˈpiːən/
It even has a name :-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palatal_approximant
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Vincent Le Chevalier wrote:
> Well the sound at the beginning of "European" is arguably a consonant,
> so the rule still works...
>
> /ˌjʊəɹəˈpiːən/
>
> It even has a name :-)
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palatal_approximant
Heh. ALL word sounds have names!
Also... You *know* you've been programming in Haskell too long when you
see something like
i_^
and it looks like some kind of ASCII art...
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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> According to the rules, a word beginning with a vowel should be prefixed
> with "an", otherwise it's just "a":
No. A word beginning with a vowel *sound* should be prefixed with "an".
Even if the word begins with a vowel letter, if the sound is that of a
consonant, it gets an "a".
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> You know when somebody says something like "the TCP protocol", but the P
> already stands for "protocol", so they're really saying "the
> transmission control protocol protocol"... annoying, isn't it?
Not really.
It's when people refuse to recognize that they are using a certain
phrase incorrectly.
Regards,
John
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Warp wrote:
> Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> According to the rules, a word beginning with a vowel should be prefixed
>> with "an", otherwise it's just "a":
>
> No. A word beginning with a vowel *sound* should be prefixed with "an".
> Even if the word begins with a vowel letter, if the sound is that of a
> consonant, it gets an "a".
Weeee... I'm learning things on teh interwebs...
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