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On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 11:48:20 -0500, Mike Raiford <mra### [at] hotmail com> wrote:
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>Before you put oil in the pan, a quick touch of the surface will tell
>you if it's hot enough. Don't do it after you put oil in the pan,
>though.. that'll land you squarely in the burn ward.
Make sure your fingers are dry as well :)
Years ago I learned the trick of putting my fingers in hot water to see (?) how
close to boiling it is. It terrifies everyone who sees it and my wife shouts at
me. Heigh ho :)
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> It amazes me how many companies don't understand the idea of identity
> management.
Oh HELL yeah!
> Sorry, were you talking? ;-) (Just kidding)
._.
> Well, I don't know where your company's offices are here in the US or how
> widespread they are, nor do I know how big your location is in the UK.
Out HQ in Indiana (??) is 10x larger than our UK base. We have 5... uh,
4 bases in the USA, but only one in the UK. This makes us a
"multinational corporation". (Yes, you heard right.)
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On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 19:48:14 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>
>> It amazes me how many companies don't understand the idea of identity
>> management.
>
> Oh HELL yeah!
But it seems you have at least a rudimentary grasp of the concepts - have
you done any integration work for disparate systems?
>> Sorry, were you talking? ;-) (Just kidding)
>
> ._.
Couldn't resist. ;-)
>> Well, I don't know where your company's offices are here in the US or
>> how widespread they are, nor do I know how big your location is in the
>> UK.
>
> Out HQ in Indiana (??) is 10x larger than our UK base. We have 5... uh,
> 4 bases in the USA, but only one in the UK. This makes us a
> "multinational corporation". (Yes, you heard right.)
What's the variance in site size?
Jim
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>>> Well, I don't know where your company's offices are here in the US or
>>> how widespread they are, nor do I know how big your location is in the
>>> UK.
>> Out HQ in Indiana (??) is 10x larger than our UK base. We have 5... uh,
>> 4 bases in the USA, but only one in the UK. This makes us a
>> "multinational corporation". (Yes, you heard right.)
>
> What's the variance in site size?
IDK. AFAIK, the UK is "significantly" smaller than any other site.
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On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 20:59:45 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>>> Well, I don't know where your company's offices are here in the US or
>>>> how widespread they are, nor do I know how big your location is in
>>>> the UK.
>>> Out HQ in Indiana (??) is 10x larger than our UK base. We have 5...
>>> uh, 4 bases in the USA, but only one in the UK. This makes us a
>>> "multinational corporation". (Yes, you heard right.)
>>
>> What's the variance in site size?
>
> IDK. AFAIK, the UK is "significantly" smaller than any other site.
Round numbers about how many people? 50, 100, 1000?
Jim
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>>>>> Well, I don't know where your company's offices are here in the US or
>>>>> how widespread they are, nor do I know how big your location is in
>>>>> the UK.
>>>> Out HQ in Indiana (??) is 10x larger than our UK base. We have 5...
>>>> uh, 4 bases in the USA, but only one in the UK. This makes us a
>>>> "multinational corporation". (Yes, you heard right.)
>>> What's the variance in site size?
>> IDK. AFAIK, the UK is "significantly" smaller than any other site.
>
> Round numbers about how many people? 50, 100, 1000?
UK is 30 people, HQ is about 300. Don't know about the other sites.
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On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 21:30:33 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> Round numbers about how many people? 50, 100, 1000?
>
> UK is 30 people, HQ is about 300. Don't know about the other sites.
That explains a lot about management's attitudes....small sites are very
easy to not include in planning, especially when they're 10% the size of
the main site.
That also makes it more challenging to be heard.
Jim
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On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 16:55:51 -0400, Jim Henderson wrote:
> That also makes it more challenging to be heard.
(But of course you know this from experience)
Jim
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>> UK is 30 people, HQ is about 300. Don't know about the other sites.
>
> That explains a lot about management's attitudes....small sites are very
> easy to not include in planning, especially when they're 10% the size of
> the main site.
>
> That also makes it more challenging to be heard.
Oh, it's hard enough to make my voice heard within the UK site. The new
UK management sees the IT guys at HQ as gods, and considers me to be
little more than the tea boy. If I say one thing and HQ say another, I
am always ignored. Actually, scrub that. I am always ignored. Everybody
just assumes I don't know what I'm talking about.
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And lo on Mon, 07 Jul 2008 17:07:00 +0100, Stephen <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom>
did spake, saying:
> On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:24:50 +0100, "Phil Cook"
> <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>
>>> I take it that you have a metal handle, lucky you.
>>
>> Yep, best way to gauge the heat of the pan.
>>
> It sure is ;)
On a coincidental note BBC2 had a Chinese cooking program on last night.
Her tip for the best type of wok - carbon steel with a wooden handle;
guess what type I've got :-)
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Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Before you put oil in the pan, a quick touch of the surface will tell
>> you if it's hot enough. Don't do it after you put oil in the pan,
>> though.. that'll land you squarely in the burn ward.
>
> An IR thermometer will also tell you if it's hot enough or not - and
> won't even singe your fingers. :-)
>
> Jim
That's a cool idea, but where's the fun in that? :)
Hmm... This part of the thread has strayed way off topic. o.O Just
noticed the title had something to do with cryptography...
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Phil Cook wrote:
>
> On a coincidental note BBC2 had a Chinese cooking program on last night.
> Her tip for the best type of wok - carbon steel with a wooden handle;
> guess what type I've got :-)
>
>
Aluminum with a plastic handle? <Grin,Duck>
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>> An IR thermometer will also tell you if it's hot enough or not - and
>> won't even singe your fingers. :-)
>
> That's a cool idea, but where's the fun in that? :)
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/about/temperatures
> Hmm... This part of the thread has strayed way off topic. o.O Just
> noticed the title had something to do with cryptography...
VPN software, actually.
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On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 09:04:13 +0100, "Phil Cook"
<phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>guess what type I've got :-)
Type O Rh + ?
:)
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Invisible wrote:
> It appears the report was written by somebody other than the author. But
> then, comments like "OpenVPN seems to be using SSL" make me suspicious.
> As does the fact that SSL and TLS both run over TCP, yet OpenVPN seems
> to be using UPD. That looks like a big enough deviation from the
> standard that I'm left wondering how many design decisions have been
> made with potential security implications.
>
> It's not like OpenVPN just calls the OpenSSH crypto library to do its
> bidding; it looks like a complete new implementation.
Wikipedia claims OpenVPN uses the OpenSSL library.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenVPN
Still unclear how it runs SSL over UDP...
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On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:59:53 +0100, Invisible wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
>
>> It appears the report was written by somebody other than the author.
>> But then, comments like "OpenVPN seems to be using SSL" make me
>> suspicious. As does the fact that SSL and TLS both run over TCP, yet
>> OpenVPN seems to be using UPD. That looks like a big enough deviation
>> from the standard that I'm left wondering how many design decisions
>> have been made with potential security implications.
>>
>> It's not like OpenVPN just calls the OpenSSH crypto library to do its
>> bidding; it looks like a complete new implementation.
>
> Wikipedia claims OpenVPN uses the OpenSSL library.
http://openvpn.net/index.php/documentation/manuals/openvpn-21.html -
under "Description":
"OpenVPN is tightly bound to the OpenSSL library, and derives much of its
crypto capabilities from it."
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenVPN
>
> Still unclear how it runs SSL over UDP...
From the above quote, it maybe doesn't, but instead uses the crypto from
openSSL.
Jim
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On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 07:32:56 -0500, Mike Raiford wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>
>>> Before you put oil in the pan, a quick touch of the surface will tell
>>> you if it's hot enough. Don't do it after you put oil in the pan,
>>> though.. that'll land you squarely in the burn ward.
>>
>> An IR thermometer will also tell you if it's hot enough or not - and
>> won't even singe your fingers. :-)
>>
>> Jim
>
> That's a cool idea, but where's the fun in that? :)
Well, if you consider going to the ER for burns fun, then have at it. I
have different ideas of what constitutes "fun", and not being burned is a
part of all of them. ;-)
> Hmm... This part of the thread has strayed way off topic. o.O Just
> noticed the title had something to do with cryptography...
Oh no! Thread drift! :-)
Jim
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On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 09:00:45 +0100, Invisible wrote:
>>> UK is 30 people, HQ is about 300. Don't know about the other sites.
>>
>> That explains a lot about management's attitudes....small sites are
>> very easy to not include in planning, especially when they're 10% the
>> size of the main site.
>>
>> That also makes it more challenging to be heard.
>
> Oh, it's hard enough to make my voice heard within the UK site. The new
> UK management sees the IT guys at HQ as gods, and considers me to be
> little more than the tea boy. If I say one thing and HQ say another, I
> am always ignored. Actually, scrub that. I am always ignored. Everybody
> just assumes I don't know what I'm talking about.
Then you need to make your voice heard. Tell the auditor "HQ won't let
me - I've tried telling them and they don't listen to me - so talk to
them" and then wait.
One of two possible outcomes: The boss will start listening to you, or
the boss will get pissed off and sack you (which means you don't have to
do the 6 month notice thing or find your own replacement, right?) so
you're free to find something else to do.
Jim
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Invisible wrote:
>>> An IR thermometer will also tell you if it's hot enough or not - and
>>> won't even singe your fingers. :-)
>>
>> That's a cool idea, but where's the fun in that? :)
>
> http://blog.orphi.me.uk/about/temperatures
>
Hmmm. I want one.
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On 08-Jul-08 10:04, Phil Cook wrote:
> And lo on Mon, 07 Jul 2008 17:07:00 +0100, Stephen <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom>
> did spake, saying:
>
>> On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:24:50 +0100, "Phil Cook"
>> <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>>
>>>> I take it that you have a metal handle, lucky you.
>>>
>>> Yep, best way to gauge the heat of the pan.
>>>
>> It sure is ;)
>
> On a coincidental note BBC2 had a Chinese cooking program on last night.
> Her tip for the best type of wok - carbon steel with a wooden handle;
> guess what type I've got :-)
>
wooden with a carbon steel handle?
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>> http://blog.orphi.me.uk/about/temperatures
>
> Hmmm. I want one.
...and another victim succumbs to my viral marketing, muhuhuhuh!!!
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>> Still unclear how it runs SSL over UDP...
>
> From the above quote, it maybe doesn't, but instead uses the crypto from
> openSSL.
Well, the documentation claims that OpenVPN is "an SSL VPN". But since
SSL is defined to work over TCP... hmm. ;-)
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And lo on Tue, 08 Jul 2008 20:17:21 +0100, andrel
<a_l### [at] hotmailcom> did spake, saying:
> On 08-Jul-08 10:04, Phil Cook wrote:
>> And lo on Mon, 07 Jul 2008 17:07:00 +0100, Stephen
>> <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom> did spake, saying:
>>
>>> On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:24:50 +0100, "Phil Cook"
>>> <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I take it that you have a metal handle, lucky you.
>>>>
>>>> Yep, best way to gauge the heat of the pan.
>>>>
>>> It sure is ;)
>> On a coincidental note BBC2 had a Chinese cooking program on last
>> night. Her tip for the best type of wok - carbon steel with a wooden
>> handle; guess what type I've got :-)
>>
> wooden with a carbon steel handle?
A type O Rh + infused aluminium pan with a wooden base and a plastic
handle with carbon steel insert.
[side-note - damn Opera I deleted a load of boojummed messages and it's
lost my threading. Note to self 'delete prior to posting']
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On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 09:00:48 +0100, Invisible wrote:
>>> Still unclear how it runs SSL over UDP...
>>
>> From the above quote, it maybe doesn't, but instead uses the crypto
>> from openSSL.
>
> Well, the documentation claims that OpenVPN is "an SSL VPN". But since
> SSL is defined to work over TCP... hmm. ;-)
Well, I've also seen other SSL VPN solutions that work quite well, I'm
not sure as well how it handles it.
Jim
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