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From: Chambers
Subject: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 30 Jun 2008 22:56:02
Message: <48699cc2$1@news.povray.org>
I do it by function.

My t-shirts go next to my casual pants & jeans.
My dress shirts go next to my slacks, which go next to my suit, which go 
next to my tie hanger.
Etc.

This is quite logical to me, and it's not hard when looking at it to see 
that it is sorted into these (and a few other) sections.

My wife, on the other hand, has no discernible system that I can 
discover.  She doesn't sort by color, or by function, and apparently not 
even by ensemble.  Yet she always tells me that I put her clothes in the 
wrong place when I do laundry, and she never puts my clothes where I 
think they should go.

...Chambers


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 30 Jun 2008 23:13:59
Message: <4869a0f7$1@news.povray.org>
Chambers wrote:
> I do it by function.

I'm enough of a nerd that I actually have labels in the closet saying 
where things go. :-) I still have to reorganize it every few months if I 
actually care.

One other helpful hint: After you take clothes off a hanger, put the 
hanger in a specific spot. Then when it's time to hang up the laundry 
after washing it, you don't have to hunt thru the closet to find all the 
hangers to take to the laundry room.

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From: Sabrina Kilian
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 1 Jul 2008 00:20:39
Message: <4869b097@news.povray.org>
Chambers wrote:
> I do it by function.

Haven't been in the closet in years.



No, seriously, the closet in this apartment is too useless for clothes. 
I store towels, spare computer parts, and my collection of long coats in 
the closet. The cabinet I have for clothes is sorted by function and 
style. Fancy, delicate, or otherwise difficult to fold things stay on 
hangers, everything else gets folded into a basket by function. Except 
on weeks, like this, where I don't spend all that much time in one 
place. These days, I live out of a suitcase.


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From: Chambers
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 1 Jul 2008 03:01:47
Message: <4869d65b$1@news.povray.org>
Darren New wrote:
> Chambers wrote:
>> I do it by function.
> 
> I'm enough of a nerd that I actually have labels in the closet saying 
> where things go. :-)

Ooh, I should do this!

> One other helpful hint: After you take clothes off a hanger, put the 
> hanger in a specific spot. Then when it's time to hang up the laundry 
> after washing it, you don't have to hunt thru the closet to find all the 
> hangers to take to the laundry room.

Meh, I already do that, and she just steals the hangers from my closet 
instead of hunting through hers for spare ones.

...Chambers


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From: scott
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 1 Jul 2008 03:36:17
Message: <4869de71$1@news.povray.org>
> I do it by function.

My philosophy is that the most common things you use should be easiest and 
quickest to get at.  This doesn't just go for clothes, but also for stuff in 
the kitchen, bathroom etc.  This also means that twice a year I need to 
rearrange a bit.


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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 1 Jul 2008 07:32:41
Message: <486a15d9$1@news.povray.org>
Chambers wrote:
> I do it by function.
> 
> My t-shirts go next to my casual pants & jeans.
> My dress shirts go next to my slacks, which go next to my suit, which go
> next to my tie hanger.
> Etc.
> 

I don't... :-)

John

-- 
I will be brief but not nearly so brief as Salvador Dali, who gave the
world's shortest speech. He said, "I will be so brief I am already
finished," then he sat down.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 1 Jul 2008 07:54:09
Message: <486a1ae1$1@news.povray.org>
Doctor John wrote:

> I don't... :-)

Likewise...

But then, my mum seems to have some kind of obsessive compulsive 
disorder that causes her to ritually sort and resort anything that isn't 
locked down, so...

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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 1 Jul 2008 07:57:28
Message: <0t6k645fahe7bnhnn28afuklv4spe2nq3c@4ax.com>
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:55:42 -0700, Chambers <ben### [at] pacificwebguycom>
wrote:

Reluctantly and with bad grace :)
-- 

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     Stephen


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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 1 Jul 2008 08:13:54
Message: <486a1f82$1@news.povray.org>
... Sort?

Usually what winds up happening is my clothing "order" (I use that term 
loosely) metamorphises through the seasons. During the cool season cool 
season clothes tend to be toward the middle of the rack, most 
accessible, during the warm season the opposite is true. It's mainly a 
result of cramming everything that comes out of the laundry in the middle.

For things other than clothes... It just sort of collects into random 
piles around the perimeter.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 1 Jul 2008 09:07:51
Message: <486a2c27@news.povray.org>
Heh. Sort your closet?

That brings a whole *new* meaning to "heap sort"... ;-)

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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 1 Jul 2008 09:15:53
Message: <486a2e09$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> Doctor John wrote:
> 
>> I don't... :-)
> 
> Likewise...
> 
> But then, my mum seems to have some kind of obsessive compulsive
> disorder that causes her to ritually sort and resort anything that isn't
> locked down, so...
> 
Is she related to my gf? :-)

John

-- 
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world's shortest speech. He said, "I will be so brief I am already
finished," then he sat down.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 1 Jul 2008 09:37:03
Message: <486a32ff$1@news.povray.org>
>> But then, my mum seems to have some kind of obsessive compulsive
>> disorder that causes her to ritually sort and resort anything that isn't
>> locked down, so...
>>
> Is she related to my gf? :-)

I don't know. Does your girl insist on arranging the cups in the 
cupboard according to a strict set of rules? Does she complaing if socks 
are not perfectly cylindrical? Does it matter to her if an item of 
clothing is hung on a hanger of the wrong colour??

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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 1 Jul 2008 09:55:58
Message: <486a376e$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> 
> I don't know. Does your girl insist on arranging the cups in the
> cupboard according to a strict set of rules? Does she complaing if socks
> are not perfectly cylindrical? Does it matter to her if an item of
> clothing is hung on a hanger of the wrong colour??
> 
Ah. In the light of these revelations I think I can say that she is
definitely not related :-)

John

-- 
I will be brief but not nearly so brief as Salvador Dali, who gave the
world's shortest speech. He said, "I will be so brief I am already
finished," then he sat down.


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From: scott
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 1 Jul 2008 09:57:43
Message: <486a37d7$1@news.povray.org>
> I don't know. Does your girl insist on arranging the cups in the 
> cupboard according to a strict set of rules? Does she complaing if socks 
> are not perfectly cylindrical? Does it matter to her if an item of 
> clothing is hung on a hanger of the wrong colour??

It's sounding very much like my gf too...

My hobby: Rotating things by a non-multiple of 90 degrees


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 1 Jul 2008 10:01:00
Message: <486a389c@news.povray.org>
>> I don't know. Does your girl insist on arranging the cups in the 
>> cupboard according to a strict set of rules? Does she complaing if 
>> socks are not perfectly cylindrical? Does it matter to her if an item 
>> of clothing is hung on a hanger of the wrong colour??
> 
> It's sounding very much like my gf too...

Hell, if it was a *girlfriend* I'd just find another one. ;-) You can't 
easily do that with your mother. :-S

> My hobby: Rotating things by a non-multiple of 90 degrees

LOLZ.

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From: scott
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 1 Jul 2008 10:03:50
Message: <486a3946$1@news.povray.org>
>> It's sounding very much like my gf too...
>
> Hell, if it was a *girlfriend* I'd just find another one. ;-) You can't 
> easily do that with your mother. :-S

OK, well she's not quite as bad as your mum sounds, and she's good for other 
purposes that I suspect your mother isn't.  And I don't really care, so long 
as she doesn't expect me to do the same as she does.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 1 Jul 2008 10:05:24
Message: <486a39a4$1@news.povray.org>
>> I don't know. Does your girl insist on arranging the cups in the
>> cupboard according to a strict set of rules? Does she complaing if socks
>> are not perfectly cylindrical? Does it matter to her if an item of
>> clothing is hung on a hanger of the wrong colour??
>>
> Ah. In the light of these revelations I think I can say that she is
> definitely not related :-)

Oh good! The thought of two is just worrying...

Seriously. I can understand that the cups are different sizes, and some 
ways stack better than others. We do have a hell of a lot of cups, so if 
you stack them wrong they won't all fit into the cupboard. But when we 
reach the level of arguing about which way the designs face and 
attempting to solve some weird variant of the four-colour map problem 
(i.e., find a configuration of cups such that no two adjacent cups have 
colour schemes that are subjectively deemed to "clash")...

I mean, like, WTF? Who *cares* if it's "inappropriate" to have a Mars 
mug next to a Children In Need mug? GET A LIFE!

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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 1 Jul 2008 10:08:19
Message: <486a3a53$1@news.povray.org>
>> Hell, if it was a *girlfriend* I'd just find another one. ;-) You 
>> can't easily do that with your mother. :-S
> 
> OK, well she's not quite as bad as your mum sounds, and she's good for 
> other purposes that I suspect your mother isn't.

Hee. ;-)

My mum only really has one use: You know how sometimes people try to 
sell you something, and you really don't want to buy it, but they don't 
get the message? The way my mum says it, they all seem to get the 
message really rapidly...

Do NOT interrupt my mum's supper if you value your life. Seriously. The 
last double-glazing salesman who did that... I hear they still haven't 
released him from the funny farm yet after his nervous breakdown. >:-)

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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 1 Jul 2008 10:13:28
Message: <op.udl9qxr6c3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Tue, 01 Jul 2008 03:55:42 +0100, Chambers  
<ben### [at] pacificwebguycom> did spake, saying:

> I do it by function.

Things I wear the most hang furthest from the hinge, similar items are  
stuffed into the drawers.

Heh the weird thing is I'm the one who's called upon to organise shelves  
for optimal loading, not that I get any thanks -

"I can't get to X or Y without moving Z"
"Well yeah, but you've got a choice - move Z to get to X or Y; or move  
both X *and* Y to get to Z; or remove X, Y, or Z from the cupboard"
"Oh okay"

and before you ask Z tends to be used more then either X & Y combined.

Hmm it's like at the supermarket check-out I arrange the items to come  
through the till in the same order I want to pack them I don't understand  
people who just tip everything out.

-- 
Phil Cook

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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 1 Jul 2008 10:19:32
Message: <486a3cf4$1@news.povray.org>
Phil Cook wrote:

> Hmm it's like at the supermarket check-out I arrange the items to come 
> through the till in the same order I want to pack them I don't 
> understand people who just tip everything out.

Ooo, you don't carefully arrange items according to dimensions, 
geometry, weight and temperature do you?

I mean, I try to avoid putting heavy stuff on top of light stuff. But 
that's as far as I go.

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http://xkcd.com/309/

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From: Chambers
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 1 Jul 2008 10:27:24
Message: <486a3ecc$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> Heh. Sort your closet?
> 
> That brings a whole *new* meaning to "heap sort"... ;-)
> 

*groan*!

...Chambers


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 1 Jul 2008 10:48:35
Message: <486a43c3$1@news.povray.org>
Chambers wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
>> Heh. Sort your closet?
>>
>> That brings a whole *new* meaning to "heap sort"... ;-)
>>
> 
> *groan*!

Heeee! I win! ^_^

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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 1 Jul 2008 10:57:06
Message: <op.udmbq8ckc3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:19:31 +0100, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> did  
spake, saying:

> Phil Cook wrote:
>
>> Hmm it's like at the supermarket check-out I arrange the items to come  
>> through the till in the same order I want to pack them I don't  
>> understand people who just tip everything out.
>
> Ooo, you don't carefully arrange items according to dimensions,  
> geometry, weight and temperature do you?

Well yeah, otherwise what's the point? These are frozen and stackable;  
this is cold and upright so it can sit next to them; these are light,  
stackable and refrigerated so they can sit on the others. These are thin  
and cool and can slot down the sides, these are non-cool, light, and  
stackable so they sit on the top or in another bag on top of the non-cool  
heavy stackables. These are squishable so go on the top of any bag unless  
they're also heavy in which case they get the side of the bag if possible  
or are paired with the very light. It hardly takes an effort to sort this  
way.

> I mean, I try to avoid putting heavy stuff on top of light stuff. But  
> that's as far as I go.

Yes, but light doesn't equate to non-rigid. Compared to some items bread  
is heavy, but I wouldn't put it at the bottom of the bag unless the total  
weight of the items above it was very light.

> Obligatory XKCD reference:
> http://xkcd.com/309/

Unfortunately I'm in the Two Nerd section even when on my own.

-- 
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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 1 Jul 2008 11:09:19
Message: <486a489f@news.povray.org>
> It hardly takes an effort to sort this way.

...da HELL??

>> I mean, I try to avoid putting heavy stuff on top of light stuff. But 
>> that's as far as I go.
> 
> Yes, but light doesn't equate to non-rigid. Compared to some items bread 
> is heavy, but I wouldn't put it at the bottom of the bag unless the 
> total weight of the items above it was very light.

There are things that are lighter than bread, but I stuggle to think of 
anything that could be damaged by it...

>> Obligatory XKCD reference:
>> http://xkcd.com/309/
> 
> Unfortunately I'm in the Two Nerd section even when on my own.

PWN3D!

BY YOURSELF! :-D




Obligatory XKCD reference:
http://xkcd.com/236/

[Be sure to check the alt-text.]

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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 1 Jul 2008 11:26:43
Message: <op.udmc4dv2c3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Tue, 01 Jul 2008 16:09:12 +0100, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> did  
spake, saying:

>> It hardly takes an effort to sort this way.
>
> ...da HELL??

Well it doesn't! It already tends to be arranged structurally in the  
trolley or basket so it's just a case of regrouping it on the conveyor.  
Call it a matter of practice I don't think there's any reason everybody  
shouldn't do this.

>>> I mean, I try to avoid putting heavy stuff on top of light stuff. But  
>>> that's as far as I go.
>>  Yes, but light doesn't equate to non-rigid. Compared to some items  
>> bread is heavy, but I wouldn't put it at the bottom of the bag unless  
>> the total weight of the items above it was very light.
>
> There are things that are lighter than bread, but I stuggle to think of  
> anything that could be damaged by it...

Exactly, which is why you can't split things by the simple heavy/light  
description. You also have to take into account how you'll be carrying  
these things or packing them in the car. Put the bread at the top of a  
carrier and hold the handles and you may be squeezing only the top section  
of the bread so it's best sitting in the middle or upright down the side  
depending on what could be going on top of it.

>>> Obligatory XKCD reference:
>>> http://xkcd.com/309/
>>  Unfortunately I'm in the Two Nerd section even when on my own.
>
> PWN3D!
>
> BY YOURSELF! :-D

Better then being pwned by someone else :-P

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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 1 Jul 2008 11:50:22
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On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:05:19 +0100, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:

>
>Oh good! The thought of two is just worrying...

I bet :)
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     Stephen


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 1 Jul 2008 23:30:42
Message: <486af662$1@news.povray.org>
Phil Cook wrote:
> Hmm it's like at the supermarket check-out I arrange the items to come 
> through the till in the same order I want to pack them I don't 

My brother puts all the spoons in one bucket in the dishwasher, all the 
forks in another, etc, so he doesn't have to sort the utensils. (Since I 
can empty the whole dishwasher in the time it takes to re-nuke a cup of 
coffee, I don't really see the savings there.)

On the other hand, I have two colors of socks: light and dark. When they 
were out, I buy 20+ pairs of new socks all the same and use them until 
too many wear out. I haven't sorted socks since high school.

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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 2 Jul 2008 02:46:30
Message: <486b2446$1@news.povray.org>
Darren New wrote:

> My brother puts all the spoons in one bucket in the dishwasher, all the 
> forks in another, etc, so he doesn't have to sort the utensils. (Since I 
> can empty the whole dishwasher in the time it takes to re-nuke a cup of 
> coffee, I don't really see the savings there.)

Hmm. Sort the items in insertion. Sort the items on removal. Sounds like 
both algorithms should be of equal time complexity...

> On the other hand, I have two colors of socks: light and dark. When they 
> were out, I buy 20+ pairs of new socks all the same and use them until 
> too many wear out. I haven't sorted socks since high school.

I could go for that.

For some reason, whenever my mum drags me out shopping, we go into about 
15 shops and *finally* find a pair of trousers that look good on me, and 
then we buy *one* pair. WTF? Why don't we just buy, say, 15 identical 
pairs? That way I wouldn't keep running out of trousers to wear!

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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 2 Jul 2008 04:08:28
Message: <op.udnnj2eqc3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Wed, 02 Jul 2008 04:30:42 +0100, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom>  
did spake, saying:

> Phil Cook wrote:
>> Hmm it's like at the supermarket check-out I arrange the items to come  
>> through the till in the same order I want to pack them I don't
>
> My brother puts all the spoons in one bucket in the dishwasher, all the  
> forks in another, etc, so he doesn't have to sort the utensils. (Since I  
> can empty the whole dishwasher in the time it takes to re-nuke a cup of  
> coffee, I don't really see the savings there.)

Well my dishwashing activities involves a sink, a bowl, and a pair of  
yellow gloves; but I do arrange the cutlery in the draining board.

> On the other hand, I have two colors of socks: light and dark. When they  
> were out, I buy 20+ pairs of new socks all the same and use them until  
> too many wear out. I haven't sorted socks since high school.

I don't even have the light pairs to worry about I just buy black.

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From: Kyle
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 2 Jul 2008 07:44:49
Message: <qaqm64hupav32li98s0cqdn9f4o5lr6por@4ax.com>
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:55:42 -0700, Chambers <ben### [at] pacificwebguycom> wrote:

>I do it by function.

I don't sort my clothes, my wife does.

>My t-shirts go next to my casual pants & jeans.
>My dress shirts go next to my slacks, which go next to my suit, which go 
>next to my tie hanger.
>Etc.

This is her method for my clothes.

>My wife, on the other hand, has no discernible system that I can 
>discover.  She doesn't sort by color, or by function, and apparently not 
>even by ensemble.  Yet she always tells me that I put her clothes in the 
>wrong place when I do laundry, and she never puts my clothes where I 
>think they should go.

Her sort order is likely based upon which ten items she will try on during the two
hour that she is getting ready to go somewhere.  That seems to be the way my wife does
it, best I can tell.


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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 2 Jul 2008 07:47:51
Message: <486b6ae7$1@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:

> It's sounding very much like my gf too...
> 
> My hobby: Rotating things by a non-multiple of 90 degrees

Ah. It's time to tell my tale of the rooster plates. You see, back when 
we got married, my wife and I decided we'd build a kitchen theme around 
an old napkin holder handed down from her great grandmother. So, the 
rooster theme was born. Our kitchen and dining areas are all roosters. 
Anyway, we have these nice plates with (you guessed it) various breeds 
of rooster on them. If I carelessly set down my plate wrongly oriented, 
she goes berserk. The chicken must be right-side-up to me. So, I have 
now taken to purposefully placing my plate in various "wrong" positions. 
Most of the time she notices. I'm thinking of performing psychological 
experiments next: Increment the orientation of the plate by a few 
degrees each day, to find out what her threshold is ...


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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 2 Jul 2008 07:52:16
Message: <486b6bf0$1@news.povray.org>
Phil Cook wrote:

> 
> Hmm it's like at the supermarket check-out I arrange the items to come 
> through the till in the same order I want to pack them I don't 
> understand people who just tip everything out.
> 

Ahh. I play a game of Supermarket Tetris as I unload. Fitting items as 
they come out as tightly together as I can. I can usually get the entire 
belt loaded in half the space as most people. Usually completely 
unloaded before the person in front of me has completed their transaction.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 2 Jul 2008 08:04:15
Message: <486b6ebf$1@news.povray.org>
Mike Raiford wrote:

> I'm thinking of performing psychological 
> experiments next: Increment the orientation of the plate by a few 
> degrees each day, to find out what her threshold is ...

...and people tell me *I'm* strange! ;-)

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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 2 Jul 2008 09:10:38
Message: <op.udn1jnj4c3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Wed, 02 Jul 2008 12:52:26 +0100, Mike Raiford  
<mra### [at] hotmailcom> did spake, saying:

> Phil Cook wrote:
>
>>  Hmm it's like at the supermarket check-out I arrange the items to come  
>> through the till in the same order I want to pack them I don't  
>> understand people who just tip everything out.
>
> Ahh. I play a game of Supermarket Tetris as I unload. Fitting items as  
> they come out as tightly together as I can. I can usually get the entire  
> belt loaded in half the space as most people. Usually completely  
> unloaded before the person in front of me has completed their  
> transaction.

Oh yes that too of course, though it's subordinate to the packing rule.

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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 2 Jul 2008 09:22:17
Message: <op.udn12vh6c3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Wed, 02 Jul 2008 12:48:00 +0100, Mike Raiford  
<mra### [at] hotmailcom> did spake, saying:

> scott wrote:
>
>> It's sounding very much like my gf too...
>>  My hobby: Rotating things by a non-multiple of 90 degrees
>
> Anyway, we have these nice plates with (you guessed it) various breeds  
> of rooster on them. If I carelessly set down my plate wrongly oriented,  
> she goes berserk. The chicken must be right-side-up to me.

Sad to say I see nothing wrong in your wife's attitude. Now I can make an  
argument that the 'correct' position may also, depending on design, be  
180° away from you and thus right-side-up to your opposite number... sigh  
yes I am the type of person who wants to straighten frames in receptions,  
it just itches to see them like that... okay, okay I also tidy up the  
magazines too; happy now?

cue another "and people tell me *I'm* strange" :-)

> So, I have now taken to purposefully placing my plate in various "wrong"  
> positions. Most of the time she notices. I'm thinking of performing  
> psychological experiments next: Increment the orientation of the plate  
> by a few degrees each day, to find out what her threshold is ...

Monster! :-P

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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 2 Jul 2008 10:25:37
Message: <486b8fe1$1@news.povray.org>
Phil Cook wrote:

> Sad to say I see nothing wrong in your wife's attitude. Now I can make 
> an argument that the 'correct' position may also, depending on design, 
> be 180° away from you and thus right-side-up to your opposite number... 
> sigh yes I am the type of person who wants to straighten frames in 
> receptions, it just itches to see them like that... okay, okay I also 
> tidy up the magazines too; happy now?

Gaah!

Man, I thought *I* was type-a for organizing my son's chain thingy toy 
in hue order.

But the plates are another matter. I'm sitting down for a quick lunch, 
maybe a sandwich and chips (crisps for you British folk) on a plate. I'm 
not going to care what direction the art points.

I've threatened to replace the plates with omnidirectional ones.

>> So, I have now taken to purposefully placing my plate in various 
>> "wrong" positions. Most of the time she notices. I'm thinking of 
>> performing psychological experiments next: Increment the orientation 
>> of the plate by a few degrees each day, to find out what her threshold 
>> is ...
> 
> Monster! :-P
> 

Heh heh... >:-)


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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 2 Jul 2008 11:24:28
Message: <op.udn7mkrsc3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Wed, 02 Jul 2008 15:25:46 +0100, Mike Raiford  
<mra### [at] hotmailcom> did spake, saying:

> Phil Cook wrote:
>
>> Sad to say I see nothing wrong in your wife's attitude. Now I can make  
>> an argument that the 'correct' position may also, depending on design,  
>> be 180° away from you and thus right-side-up to your opposite number...  
>> sigh yes I am the type of person who wants to straighten frames in  
>> receptions, it just itches to see them like that... okay, okay I also  
>> tidy up the magazines too; happy now?
>
> Gaah!
>
> Man, I thought *I* was type-a for organizing my son's chain thingy toy  
> in hue order.

Why wouldn't it be hue-order to start with? If it's what I think it is (or  
close to  it) I'm trying to imagine one that isn't and urgh no that's just  
wrong.

> But the plates are another matter. I'm sitting down for a quick lunch,  
> maybe a sandwich and chips (crisps for you British folk) on a plate. I'm  
> not going to care what direction the art points.
>
> I've threatened to replace the plates with omnidirectional ones.

Heh I already have ones with a symmetrical pattern... the mats they sit on  
however are directional :-)

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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 2 Jul 2008 13:02:23
Message: <486bb49f$1@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
> 
>> My brother puts all the spoons in one bucket in the dishwasher, all 
>> the forks in another, etc, so he doesn't have to sort the utensils. 
>> (Since I can empty the whole dishwasher in the time it takes to 
>> re-nuke a cup of coffee, I don't really see the savings there.)
> 
> Hmm. Sort the items in insertion. Sort the items on removal. Sounds like 
> both algorithms should be of equal time complexity...

The difference is that it takes no additional time to sort them on 
insertion, because they're already spread out and unsorted. During 
insertion, you have to insert them one at a time because they're 
physically spread out. During removal, they're all in the dishwasher 
basket, going to all in the drawer.

Like, do you defrag the disk before you copy everything to a new disk, 
or after?  If before, you only thrash the head around once.

>> On the other hand, I have two colors of socks: light and dark. When 
>> they were out, I buy 20+ pairs of new socks all the same and use them 
>> until too many wear out. I haven't sorted socks since high school.
> 
> I could go for that.

I think I'm just still scarred from my experiences as a child, wherein I 
would have to sort socks that were like 6 different shades of navy blue, 
plus dark brown, dark grey, darker grey, black, mildly faded black, etc. :-)

> then we buy *one* pair. WTF? Why don't we just buy, say, 15 identical 
> pairs? That way I wouldn't keep running out of trousers to wear!

Same here, except usually I only manage to find one in the pile.

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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 2 Jul 2008 13:03:12
Message: <486bb4d0$1@news.povray.org>
Kyle wrote:
> Her sort order is likely based upon which ten items she will try on during the two
hour that she is getting ready to go somewhere.  That seems to be the way my wife does
it, best I can tell.

LOL!  So true, so true.

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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 2 Jul 2008 15:17:25
Message: <486bd445$1@news.povray.org>
Phil Cook wrote:

> 
> Why wouldn't it be hue-order to start with? If it's what I think it is 
> (or close to  it) I'm trying to imagine one that isn't and urgh no 
> that's just wrong.
> 

Baby plays with toy, mom hooks them together after they get separated 
and scattered ... generally in an effort to keep everything together but 
work quickly..

My wife gave me very strange looks when I started doing the Towers of 
Hanoi problem with his stacking cups (Which, by the way, are ideal for that)


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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 2 Jul 2008 15:56:05
Message: <486bdd55@news.povray.org>
Mike Raiford wrote:
> My wife gave me very strange looks when I started doing the Towers of
> Hanoi problem with his stacking cups (Which, by the way, are ideal for
> that)

Now that's perfectly normal behaviour for anyone who posts here ;-)
I do similar tricks but I still refuse to tidy cupboards, wardrobes and
other storage facilities. My desktop is, of course another matter
entirely. Its empty except for a photograph, a telephone and whatever
I'm working on at the time.

John

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world's shortest speech. He said, "I will be so brief I am already
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From: Jim Charter
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 2 Jul 2008 20:02:13
Message: <486c1705@news.povray.org>
LIFO


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From: Chambers
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 2 Jul 2008 21:06:53
Message: <486c262d$1@news.povray.org>
Kyle wrote:
> Her sort order is likely based upon which ten items she will try on during the two
hour that she is getting ready to go somewhere.  That seems to be the way my wife does
it, best I can tell.

You know, that might be it.  I'll have to observe* her the next time she 
gets ready to go somewhere.

*Surreptitiously, of course.  For some reason, she doesn't like me to 
watch her get ready (though she wants me to give my opinion on the 
things she tries on...)

...Chambers


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 3 Jul 2008 04:08:10
Message: <486c88ea@news.povray.org>
Mike Raiford wrote:

> My wife gave me very strange looks when I started doing the Towers of 
> Hanoi problem with his stacking cups (Which, by the way, are ideal for 
> that)

...how did you *get* a wife in the first place?? o_O

(Also... is it bad that when I visited the technology exhibit at the 
London Science Museum, I was able to solve the "guess the binary number" 
puzzle in less than 2^N attempts every time by using a Grey code?)

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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 3 Jul 2008 04:08:53
Message: <486c8915$1@news.povray.org>
Jim Charter wrote:
> LIFO

+15 points.

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From: Chambers
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 3 Jul 2008 10:47:39
Message: <486ce68b$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> Mike Raiford wrote:
> 
>> My wife gave me very strange looks when I started doing the Towers of 
>> Hanoi problem with his stacking cups (Which, by the way, are ideal for 
>> that)
> 
> ...how did you *get* a wife in the first place?? o_O

Clubbing them over the head is effective :)

> (Also... is it bad that when I visited the technology exhibit at the 
> London Science Museum, I was able to solve the "guess the binary number" 
> puzzle in less than 2^N attempts every time by using a Grey code?)

No, it's frackin' awsome! :)

...Chambers


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 3 Jul 2008 14:00:03
Message: <486d13a3$1@news.povray.org>
>> ...how did you *get* a wife in the first place?? o_O
> 
> Clubbing them over the head is effective :)

Ah. A corpse bride. ;-)

>> (Also... is it bad that when I visited the technology exhibit at the 
>> London Science Museum, I was able to solve the "guess the binary 
>> number" puzzle in less than 2^N attempts every time by using a Grey 
>> code?)
> 
> No, it's frackin' awsome! :)

Oh. LOL!

Apparently they're holding a large Haskell event next month. However, 
rather than hold it in Cambridge, where I can get to it, this year they 
decided to move it to London, where I can't get to it. Gee, that's nice.

On the other hand... my next door neighbor is apparently a Haskell 
programmer. (How random is that??)

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From: andrel
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 3 Jul 2008 15:38:11
Message: <486D2AD9.1080304@hotmail.com>
Mike Raiford wrote:
> scott wrote:
> 
>> It's sounding very much like my gf too...
>>
>> My hobby: Rotating things by a non-multiple of 90 degrees
> 
> Ah. It's time to tell my tale of the rooster plates. You see, back when 
> we got married, my wife and I decided we'd build a kitchen theme around 
> an old napkin holder handed down from her great grandmother. So, the 
> rooster theme was born. Our kitchen and dining areas are all roosters. 
> Anyway, we have these nice plates with (you guessed it) various breeds 
> of rooster on them. If I carelessly set down my plate wrongly oriented, 
> she goes berserk. The chicken must be right-side-up to me. So, I have 
> now taken to purposefully placing my plate in various "wrong" positions. 
> Most of the time she notices. I'm thinking of performing psychological 
> experiments next: Increment the orientation of the plate by a few 
> degrees each day, to find out what her threshold is ...
> 
What about creating one of your own with two chickens at a 12 degree angle?


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From: andrel
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 3 Jul 2008 15:44:19
Message: <486D2C49.9050701@hotmail.com>
Darren New wrote:
> Phil Cook wrote:
> (Since I can empty the whole dishwasher in the time it takes to re-nuke a cup of 
> coffee, I don't really see the savings there.)
Does that refer to the bizarre American habit of reheating coffee in a 
microwave?


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: How do you sort your closet?
Date: 3 Jul 2008 15:55:16
Message: <486d2ea4$1@news.povray.org>
andrel wrote:
> Does that refer to the bizarre American habit of reheating coffee in a 
> microwave?

Yes. While it's not as good as drinking it fresh, it's better than 
drinking it cold or throwing it away and starting over. :-)

-- 
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