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"andrel" <a_l### [at] hotmail com> wrote in message
news:486### [at] hotmailcom...
> > My honours project at university had a line of code in it
> >
> > while (!hellFrozenOver) {
> > ...
> >
> >
> was that before or after Lordi won?
Lordi?
Sorry, reference to something I am not familar.
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andrel wrote:
> was that before or after Lordi won?
LMAO!
Sweet...
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Gail Shaw wrote:
> Lordi?
Most improbable Eurovision winners in history.
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Gail Shaw wrote:
>
>> Lordi?
>
> Most improbable Eurovision winners in history.
>
Yes. The only Finnish band ever made it so far (=to the finals, that is)
with having even a slightest chance of winning.
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http://www.zbxt.net
aer### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid
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Halbert wrote:
> Why doesn't the rest of the world understand that?
Because I learned to program on a machine with 8k of memory. A byte
saved is a byte earned.
Regards,
John
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Gail Shaw wrote:
> "andrel" <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
> news:486### [at] hotmailcom...
>
>>> My honours project at university had a line of code in it
>>>
>>> while (!hellFrozenOver) {
>>> ...
>>>
>>>
>> was that before or after Lordi won?
>
> Lordi?
>
> Sorry, reference to something I am not familar.
>
>
Sorry Gail, that was sort of eurocentristic. Indeed the winners of the
Eurovisionsongcontest a few years back.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6VzdtmrP6Y is the best I could find).
Finland was considered the country most unlikely to win the contest ever
before this act. Especially by the Finnish themselves. On some webpages
it was put down as an event even less likely than hell freezing over.
Some publications the day after apparently opened with 'it is official:
hell frozen over' or similar. IIRC Eero is from Finland.
Why Finland won: they couldn't so they send in a hardrock band because
that is not what the songcontest was about. The band was dressed like
monsters, again not exactly according to dress code. Very important
contribution was that the voting was not done anymore by a geriatric
jury with knowledge and taste but by SMS by mainly adolescents. And
within it's genre it was a good song of course.
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On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:29:17 -0700, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom>
wrote:
>Invisible wrote:
>> Perhaps you forget, the very word "computer" means "device for
>> performing mathematical calculations". ;-)
>
>Actually, it means "person whose job it is to do the arithmetic." Only
>after they automated it did it refer to a machine. :-)
You are right of course but should it have been computor not computer.
--
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Stephen
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On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 10:43:44 +0200, andrel <a_l### [at] hotmailcom>
wrote:
>Gail Shaw wrote:
>> "andrel" <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
>> news:486### [at] hotmailcom...
>>
>>>> My honours project at university had a line of code in it
>>>>
>>>> while (!hellFrozenOver) {
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>> was that before or after Lordi won?
>>
>> Lordi?
>>
>> Sorry, reference to something I am not familar.
>>
>>
>Sorry Gail, that was sort of eurocentristic.
Isn't Hell a town in one of the Nordic countries?
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Stephen
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"andrel" <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
news:486### [at] hotmailcom...
> Gail Shaw wrote:
> > "andrel" <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
> > news:486### [at] hotmailcom...
> >
> >>> My honours project at university had a line of code in it
> >>>
> >>> while (!hellFrozenOver) {
> >>> ...
> >>>
> >>>
> >> was that before or after Lordi won?
> >
> > Lordi?
> >
> > Sorry, reference to something I am not familar.
> >
> >
> Sorry Gail, that was sort of eurocentristic. Indeed the winners of the
> Eurovisionsongcontest a few years back.
Ah. I'm also not a major music fan.
The code dates from well before that, 1998.
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On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 10:49:53 +0200, Stephen <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom> wrote:
> Isn't Hell a town in one of the Nordic countries?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell%2C_Norway
Also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell%2C_California
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell%2C_Michigan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell%2C_Grand_Cayman
--
FE
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John VanSickle <evi### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> Halbert wrote:
> > Why doesn't the rest of the world understand that?
> Because I learned to program on a machine with 8k of memory. A byte
> saved is a byte earned.
You had a C compiler in a machine with 8k of memory? Which one was that?
--
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On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 11:18:14 +0200, "Fredrik Eriksson"
<fe79}--at--{yahoo}--dot--{com> wrote:
>On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 10:49:53 +0200, Stephen <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom> wrote:
>> Isn't Hell a town in one of the Nordic countries?
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell%2C_Norway
Thanks, I couln't find it on Google maps.
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Regards
Stephen
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Warp wrote:
> John VanSickle <evi### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
>> Halbert wrote:
>
>>> Why doesn't the rest of the world understand that?
>
>> Because I learned to program on a machine with 8k of memory. A byte
>> saved is a byte earned.
>
> You had a C compiler in a machine with 8k of memory? Which one was that?
PDP-11? I had a machine with a COBOL compiler that ran in 8K of
real-live core memory. And, like, it ran banks and stuff. :-)
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
Helpful housekeeping hints:
Check your feather pillows for holes
before putting them in the washing machine.
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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> > You had a C compiler in a machine with 8k of memory? Which one was that?
> PDP-11? I had a machine with a COBOL compiler that ran in 8K of
> real-live core memory. And, like, it ran banks and stuff. :-)
An entire C or COBOL compiler which can run and compile with only
8 kilobytes of memory puts those 4k intros into shame, IMO. :P
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Warp wrote:
> An entire C or COBOL compiler which can run and compile with only
> 8 kilobytes of memory puts those 4k intros into shame, IMO. :P
What's a 4k intro?
(Of course, it had lots of passes. And a 50-line program took maybe 10
or 15 minutes to compile. But there was no VM either, for what that's
worth to the discussion. :-)
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Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
Helpful housekeeping hints:
Check your feather pillows for holes
before putting them in the washing machine.
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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> Warp wrote:
> > An entire C or COBOL compiler which can run and compile with only
> > 8 kilobytes of memory puts those 4k intros into shame, IMO. :P
> What's a 4k intro?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demo_(computer_programming)#Intros
It's rather incredible what you can squeeze into that amount of bytes.
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Warp wrote:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demo_(computer_programming)#Intros
>
> It's rather incredible what you can squeeze into that amount of bytes.
Yarr, back then, coders were *real* coders! Haharrr!
Mmm, can't see me entering any Haskell programs in a 4KB demo
competition... The Haskell runtime engine alone is ~500KB, and that's
before you add any *functionallity*. o_O
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Warp wrote:
> It's rather incredible what you can squeeze into that amount of bytes.
Indeed. It used to be 32K was plenty for some rather sophisticated video
games. :-) Lots of the old arcade games had less than that, too.
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
Helpful housekeeping hints:
Check your feather pillows for holes
before putting them in the washing machine.
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For some reason I'm reminded of the demo of Uridium 2 I got to play on
my dad's Amiga.
You insert the disk into the drive, you hear a click, and instantly the
screen lights up in neon colours. First a set of blue bars appear, then
a set of thinner, transparent green bars scroll down over the top of
these, and then transparent red bars scroll up over both. The end result
is a myriad of colours. And all the time this is happening, electronic
music is playing, and the computer is still loading the *real* game from
disk.
Basically, the entire audio-visual candy-fest fits into the boot sector.
And well it might; the technicolour rainbow is just a trick of the
Amiga's copper ship, which modifies the image palette on each raster
scanline, yielding the effect of millions of colours at once, from a
bitmap that only actually handles a handful. (Notice that all the colour
bars are *horisontal*. This is not a coincidence.)
Ah, great days...
Damned TF2 takes 20 minutes to load up! o_O
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Warp wrote:
> John VanSickle <evi### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
>> Halbert wrote:
>
>>> Why doesn't the rest of the world understand that?
>
>> Because I learned to program on a machine with 8k of memory. A byte
>> saved is a byte earned.
>
> You had a C compiler in a machine with 8k of memory? Which one was that?
I didn't say that I programmed in C on this machine, only that I learned
to program. The habit of being very stingy with memory use carries on.
Regards,
John
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John VanSickle <evi### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> I didn't say that I programmed in C on this machine, only that I learned
> to program. The habit of being very stingy with memory use carries on.
Nowadays when I code I sometimes stumble into situations like:
"Hmm... This data will take over 100 megabytes of memory... Should
I worry? ... Nah. That's nothing."
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- Warp
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andrel wrote:
> I'd like to see the specification that gave rise to that snipped of
> code. ;)
Umm. Write a contrived example showing that compact isn't always readable?
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Mike Raiford wrote:
> andrel wrote:
>> I'd like to see the specification that gave rise to that snipped of
>> code. ;)
>
> Umm. Write a contrived example showing that compact isn't always readable?
No that is more an assignment. A specification is where you specify what
the possible inputs are and what relations exist between input and
output...umm, ok, I know you were just kidding ;)
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