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From: Invisible
Subject: Shiny!
Date: 3 Jun 2008 06:36:23
Message: <48451ea7$1@news.povray.org>
You all know how the song goes:

   I'm a real guy, I like real guy things
   Like boats, and guns, and onion rings,
   But household chores need a power resolution.
   I went to the store and I purchased a solution...
   ...I got a pressure washer.
   I like it a lot
   Cos it makes cleaning DESTRUCTIVE!

Well, last night I went to a shop, and bought... an infrared remote 
thermometer, and an environment meter that measures light, sound and 
heat. Now I can find out the temparature of EVERYTHING!! Muhuhuhu!!!

Actually, the light readings are gibberish, and the temparature readings 
seem rather suspect. The sound readings seem reasonable though.

A number of people have complained about how loud of lab is. So I 
thought I'd find out how loud it *really* is!

Obviously, the first problem is trying to define "loud". According to 
the infallible Wikipedia, there are four standardised frequency responce 
curves commonly used. Apparently the "A" curve was designed for quiet 
sounds and is really rather invalid for loud sounds - and yet, almost 
all legal constructs operate on A-weighted readings. Ho hum! Apparently 
the "C" curve is a much better one to use.

In some unscientific experiments today, I've found that the readings 
from the metal really don't change very much depending on what I 
percieve the loudness to be. (OTOH, dB is a *logarithmic* scale...)

Depending on whether I select A-weighted or C-weighted filtering, I get 
a figure between 60 dB and 85 dB. Various Google searches indicate that 
long-term exposure to levels around 85 dB or higher result in hearing 
damage. (But infuriatingly NONE of the articles say WHICH WEIGHTING 
that's with, so it's kind of meaningless.)

At any rate, you can argue over different frequency response curves to 
use and what is or isn't harmful. But it seems that you can probably 
conclude that the noise levels in our lab are high enough to be of 
concern, even if you can't conclusively say they are or aren't safe.

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Shiny!
Date: 3 Jun 2008 08:16:49
Message: <48453631$1@news.povray.org>
> the temparature readings seem rather suspect.

Those IR thermometers work by assuming the object you're pointing at has a 
specific emissivity (which is hard-wired in on cheap models), and also a 
certain temperature of environmental radiation.  Unless you set those two 
accurately for each thing you measure you'll never get an accurate 
temperature reading using IR.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Shiny!
Date: 3 Jun 2008 08:46:36
Message: <48453d2c$1@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:
>> the temparature readings seem rather suspect.
> 
> Those IR thermometers work by assuming the object you're pointing at has 
> a specific emissivity (which is hard-wired in on cheap models), and also 
> a certain temperature of environmental radiation.  Unless you set those 
> two accurately for each thing you measure you'll never get an accurate 
> temperature reading using IR.

I actually meant the readings from the *other* thermometer is rather 
suspect. The readings from the IR thermometer agree with our validated 
instrument.

(And yes, it's hard-wired to 0.95 thermal emissivity. Apparently it's 
supposed to compensate for air temparature. And it won't work on "shiny" 
surfaces. And also takes a moment or two to go from very hot to very 
cold things...)

The environment meter has a temparature/humidity wand, and it dissagrees 
with our validated thermometer by several degrees above or below. It 
also seems to take a VERY long time for the reading to change.

On the other hand, the metal temparature probe that comes with it seems 
more reliable. I haven't compared it to the validated instrument, but it 
does at least seem to more or less instantly change reading when you 
heat or cool it.

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Shiny!
Date: 3 Jun 2008 09:28:13
Message: <484546ed@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:

> Those IR thermometers work by assuming the object you're pointing at has 
> a specific emissivity (which is hard-wired in on cheap models), and also 
> a certain temperature of environmental radiation.  Unless you set those 
> two accurately for each thing you measure you'll never get an accurate 
> temperature reading using IR.

Of course, what I *really* wanted is one of those thermal imaging 
cameras which visually show you how hot things are... but I have no idea 
where the hell you can buy those. :-(

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Shiny!
Date: 3 Jun 2008 09:59:47
Message: <48454e53$1@news.povray.org>
> Of course, what I *really* wanted is one of those thermal imaging 
> cameras which visually show you how hot things are... but I have no idea 
> where the hell you can buy those. :-(

We got ours from these guys:

www.flirthermography.co.uk


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Shiny!
Date: 3 Jun 2008 10:24:55
Message: <48455437$1@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:
>> Of course, what I *really* wanted is one of those thermal imaging 
>> cameras which visually show you how hot things are... but I have no 
>> idea where the hell you can buy those. :-(
> 
> We got ours from these guys:
> 
> www.flirthermography.co.uk

Oooo.... I forsee this becoming a VERY expensive week! :-D

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: somebody
Subject: Re: Shiny!
Date: 3 Jun 2008 14:16:55
Message: <48458a97$1@news.povray.org>
"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
news:48451ea7$1@news.povray.org...

> You all know how the song goes:

Nope.


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From: Invisible
Subject: n00bulation!
Date: 4 Jun 2008 04:59:33
Message: <48465975$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:

> Actually, the light readings are gibberish, and the temparature readings 
> seem rather suspect. The sound readings seem reasonable though.

N00BULATION!!!

The instruction manual fails to mention this, but if you look at the 
light sensor there are two small slits in the side. If you grib these 
and pull, THE LID COMES OFF, revealing a transparent window into the 
light sensor chamer. If you do this, oddly enough the sensor now detects 
light.

What.

The.

Hell.

HOW can the manual completely fail to mention that the top surface of 
the pod is removable? There aren't even any markings on it. You're just 
supposed to *guess* that the two tiny slits in the side are so you can 
grip it to remove the lid.

I spent 10 minutes getting the shop assistent to look at it before one 
of the other staff came over and pointed out that the pod actually has a 
removable lid. Me and the first guy just looked at each other like "Oh 
my GOD, we are really this stupid?"

I LOLd. Hard. Almost as hard as the two chav kids stood next to me.

Frickin' n00bulation FTW! :-S

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: n00bulation!
Date: 4 Jun 2008 11:10:10
Message: <4846b052$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> N00BULATION!!!

I have a manual for a clock. In the back is the troubleshooting chart.

Q: No numbers appear on display.
A: Insert fresh battery.

Q: Numbers appear on display even without battery.
A: Take sticker off of display.

-- 
   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
     "That's pretty. Where's that?"
          "It's the Age of Channelwood."
     "We should go there on vacation some time."


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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: n00bulation!
Date: 4 Jun 2008 11:15:01
Message: <4846b175@news.povray.org>
Darren New wrote:
> 
> I have a manual for a clock. In the back is the troubleshooting chart.
> 
> Q: No numbers appear on display.
> A: Insert fresh battery.
> 
> Q: Numbers appear on display even without battery.
> A: Take sticker off of display.
> 
:-)

-- 
I will be brief but not nearly so brief as Salvador Dali, who gave the
world's shortest speech. He said, "I will be so brief I am already
finished," then he sat down.


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