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How do you pronounce "cout << 5" in english? If you were to read that
statement over the phone to someone, what would you say? Obviously not
"cout logical-shift-left 5". Would you really say "count
operator-less-than-less-than five"?
Incidentally, I think C# does a good job of unifying the benefits of
printf-style formating with the benefits of C++-style formatting. Of
course, it means that everything you want to print actually has to be an
object and you have to be able to look up routines at runtime, so it has
an efficiency aspect compared to the C++ method. But there's actually a
number of layers of formatting control going on there, all of which the
user can override in particular classes as well as doing the
"cout << hex() << 29" sort of per-class custom formatting controls.
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
"That's pretty. Where's that?"
"It's the Age of Channelwood."
"We should go there on vacation some time."
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I have no idea if there's a `proper' convention for that or not, but I
generally treat "cout" as a verb and would just say "cout five".
Darren New wrote:
> How do you pronounce "cout << 5" in english? If you were to read that
> statement over the phone to someone, what would you say? Obviously not
> "cout logical-shift-left 5". Would you really say "count
> operator-less-than-less-than five"?
>
> Incidentally, I think C# does a good job of unifying the benefits of
> printf-style formating with the benefits of C++-style formatting. Of
> course, it means that everything you want to print actually has to be an
> object and you have to be able to look up routines at runtime, so it has
> an efficiency aspect compared to the C++ method. But there's actually a
> number of layers of formatting control going on there, all of which the
> user can override in particular classes as well as doing the
> "cout << hex() << 29" sort of per-class custom formatting controls.
>
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Darren New wrote:
> How do you pronounce "cout << 5" in english?
I have a better question:
How do you pronounce "fib = 1 : 1 : zipWith (*) fib (tail fib)" in such
a way that
1. the person hearing you will know exactly which expression you're
describing, and
2. it takes less than 20 minutes to say it
??
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>> How do you pronounce "cout << 5" in english?
>
> I have a better question:
>
> How do you pronounce "fib = 1 : 1 : zipWith (*) fib (tail fib)" in such
> a way that
>
> 1. the person hearing you will know exactly which expression you're
> describing, and
I'd say
fib equals one colon one colon zipwith operator star fib paren tail fib
end paren.
Here's something I want to know...
What's a rhetorical question?
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
"That's pretty. Where's that?"
"It's the Age of Channelwood."
"We should go there on vacation some time."
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Assuming the person I'm talking to knows something of C++, I would probably
say it like:
see-out five.
--
H²
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Darren New wrote:
> Here's something I want to know...
> What's a rhetorical question?
Don't you think the self-referentiality of that is a bit obvious?
On a serious note, I chuckled at it and will add it to my mental list of
geek jokes.
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On Tue, 13 May 2008 15:00:24 -0700, Darren New wrote:
> Here's something I want to know...
> What's a rhetorical question?
Assuming you're not asking rhetorically, it's one that's eloquent or with
intent to pursuade. Also a question phrased as "a literary exercise".
"Of, belonging to, concerned with, or comprised in the art of rhetoric."
or "Of persons: Given to the use of rhetoric.". :-)
Zaphod (Head 1): "Why are my heads asking each other rhetorical
questions?"
Zaphod (Head 2): "Oh, were they rhetorical?"
Jim
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Darren New <dne### [at] san rrcom> wrote:
> How do you pronounce "cout << 5" in english?
You don't.
--
- Warp
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Darren New wrote:
> How do you pronounce "cout << 5" in english? If you were to read that
> statement over the phone to someone, what would you say? Obviously not
> "cout logical-shift-left 5". Would you really say "count
> operator-less-than-less-than five"?
If the person at the other end of the phone is a C++ guru, you could
probably say "c out five", and they would understand that the streaming
operator belongs there.
Regards,
JOhn
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On Wed, 14 May 2008 12:44:39 +0200, Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>> How do you pronounce "cout << 5" in english?
>
> You don't.
While I personally try to avoid absolutes, I do agree with Warp here. What
is this obsession some people have with speaking code out loud? If the
other person is too far away for direct communication, send the code in an
e-mail or IM. If he is close enough for face-to-face conversation, show
him whatever device you yourself are reading the code from.
--
FE
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Fredrik Eriksson wrote:
> What is this obsession some people have with speaking code out loud?
I don't know it was an obsession. I was thinking more of (say) an
over-the-phone job interview kind of question. Certainly if your
language is so full of baroque character combinations that nobody even
agrees how to read it out loud, there's something wrong. Especially
given that even APL isn't that bad, and APL doesn't even use ASCII. :-)
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
"That's pretty. Where's that?"
"It's the Age of Channelwood."
"We should go there on vacation some time."
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>> I have a better question:
>>
>> How do you pronounce "fib = 1 : 1 : zipWith (*) fib (tail fib)" in
>> such a way that
>>
>> 1. the person hearing you will know exactly which expression you're
>> describing, and
>
> I'd say
> fib equals one colon one colon zipwith operator star fib paren tail fib
> end paren.
I tend to just use "open" and "close". (Especially for Haskell - surely
only Lisp itself has more brackets!)
PS. I can't believe Warp hasn't pointed out the obvious error yet...
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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On Wed, 14 May 2008 19:54:31 +0200, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> Fredrik Eriksson wrote:
>> What is this obsession some people have with speaking code out loud?
>
> I don't know it was an obsession. I was thinking more of (say) an
> over-the-phone job interview kind of question.
Even worse. I would question the competence of an interviewer asking me to
"speak source" to him over the phone. Verbal communication is a really
poor medium for accurately conveying such things. Programming languages
are (COBOL aside) designed to be read/written, not spoken.
> Certainly if your language is so full of baroque character combinations
> that nobody even agrees how to read it out loud, there's something
> wrong. Especially given that even APL isn't that bad, and APL doesn't
> even use ASCII. :-)
APL uses only one-character operators. You could recite C++ source one
character at a time too.
This is something of a pet peeve of mine, gained after hearing far too
many people trying (and failing miserably) to communicate source code
verbally.
--
FE
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> PS. I can't believe Warp hasn't pointed out the obvious error yet...
There are multiple meanings for the word "fib" in English. ;-)
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
"That's pretty. Where's that?"
"It's the Age of Channelwood."
"We should go there on vacation some time."
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Fredrik Eriksson wrote:
> APL uses only one-character operators.
Not true. quote-quad and jot-dot both spring to mind.
> You could recite C++ source one
> character at a time too.
Sure, but it would be tedious. At least APL is short. ;)
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
"That's pretty. Where's that?"
"It's the Age of Channelwood."
"We should go there on vacation some time."
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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> I was thinking more of (say) an
> over-the-phone job interview kind of question.
Then I would say "I print 5 to the standard output".
It doesn't make sense to ask character-by-character syntax in a phone
interview.
--
- Warp
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