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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 23 Apr 2008 16:40:08
Message: <480f9ea8$1@news.povray.org>
Gail Shaw wrote:

> Note to self - raid the bookshelf next time I visit.

Oh, I'm sorry - am I making you hungry? :-)

-- 
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: Gail Shaw
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 23 Apr 2008 16:55:01
Message: <480fa225@news.povray.org>
"Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
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> Gail Shaw wrote:
>
> > Note to self - raid the bookshelf next time I visit.
>
> Oh, I'm sorry - am I making you hungry? :-)

Huh?


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 23 Apr 2008 17:11:09
Message: <480fa5ed$1@news.povray.org>
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:03:00 +0200, Vincent Le Chevalier wrote:

> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> Actually, I recall a number of people urging me to read The Hobbit.
>> After a chapter or two I was bored stupid. Watching paint dry would
>> have been more fun.
>> 
>> Oddly, the LotR films are really quite good. I don't know how they
>> managed to get so much excitement out of such a dull series of books...
>> 
>> 
> I feel that the style of The Hobbit is a little different from that of
> the LotR books. I still prefer the LotR even after reading each many
> times...

Well, the Hobbit was written as a children's story, IIRC....LOTR wasn't.

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 23 Apr 2008 17:11:57
Message: <480fa61d$1@news.povray.org>
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:17:09 +0200, Gail Shaw wrote:

> Do not even try reading the Silmarillion. It reads like a history text
> book.

Ain't *that* the truth.  I found it to be very difficult to read - ended 
up starting it 3 times before I read it all the way through.

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 23 Apr 2008 17:12:48
Message: <480fa650$1@news.povray.org>
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:14:38 +0200, Gail Shaw wrote:

> "Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message
> news:480f9338$1@news.povray.org...
>> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:16:45 +0200, Gail Shaw wrote:
>>
>> > Let's see, in the last week and a half, I've reread Daughter of the
>> > Empire, Servant of the Empire, Mistress of the Empire (by Raymond E
>> > Feist and Janny Wurts) and 3/4 reread Magician (Raymond E Feist)
>>
>> I need to reread those again - have you read Fairie Tale?  Very well
>> written, but also quite scary (particularly if you have kids the age of
>> the kids in the book).  I think that one is one of Feist's best.
> 
> No. I have a friend threatening to lend me the book. So far she hasn't
> made good on the threat.
> Note to self - raid the bookshelf next time I visit.

I've only read it a couple of times, but it was - for me - a book I 
really couldn't put down once I started.  First time I read it, I read it 
straight through, finished up about 3AM.  Not a good time to finish 
reading a book of that type, either - every little creak in the house 
made me jump.

Jim


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From: Gail Shaw
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 23 Apr 2008 17:21:39
Message: <480fa863@news.povray.org>
"Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:17:09 +0200, Gail Shaw wrote:
>
> > Do not even try reading the Silmarillion. It reads like a history text
> > book.
>
> Ain't *that* the truth.  I found it to be very difficult to read - ended
> up starting it 3 times before I read it all the way through.

I've never read it cover to cover. I use it more as a reference book.


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From: Vincent Le Chevalier
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 23 Apr 2008 17:37:50
Message: <480fac2e@news.povray.org>
Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:03:00 +0200, Vincent Le Chevalier wrote:
> 
>> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> Actually, I recall a number of people urging me to read The Hobbit.
>>> After a chapter or two I was bored stupid. Watching paint dry would
>>> have been more fun.
>>>
>>> Oddly, the LotR films are really quite good. I don't know how they
>>> managed to get so much excitement out of such a dull series of books...
>>>
>>>
>> I feel that the style of The Hobbit is a little different from that of
>> the LotR books. I still prefer the LotR even after reading each many
>> times...
> 
> Well, the Hobbit was written as a children's story, IIRC....LOTR wasn't.
> 

Yep I think it's exactly why I feel this way... More depth in the story.

-- 
Vincent


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 23 Apr 2008 17:47:31
Message: <480fae73$1@news.povray.org>
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:22:38 +0200, Gail Shaw wrote:

> "Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message
> news:480fa61d$1@news.povray.org...
>> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:17:09 +0200, Gail Shaw wrote:
>>
>> > Do not even try reading the Silmarillion. It reads like a history
>> > text book.
>>
>> Ain't *that* the truth.  I found it to be very difficult to read -
>> ended up starting it 3 times before I read it all the way through.
> 
> I've never read it cover to cover. I use it more as a reference book.

That's almost gotta be a better way to use it.

Have you read The Children of Hurin?  I've got the book on CDs, but 
haven't opened it yet.

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 23 Apr 2008 17:48:57
Message: <480faec9$1@news.povray.org>
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:37:51 +0200, Vincent Le Chevalier wrote:

> Yep I think it's exactly why I feel this way... More depth in the story.

Absolutely - Hobbit is relatively short as a result, too - doesn't have 
the "Epic" feel.  But it's part of the history of Middle Earth, along 
with oh so many other stories, ranging from the Farmer Giles stories to 
the books Christopher Tolkien released as part of the "History of Middle 
Earth" series (a few of which I have, but haven't read).

Jim


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From: andrel
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 23 Apr 2008 18:20:19
Message: <480FB648.9060605@hotmail.com>
Darren New wrote:

> 
> It's sometimes fun trying to figure out what my wife (who learned 
> Chinese first) is asking when she comes across a word she doesn't know. 
>  "What's a mig-non?"
> 
Don't know, my first though that it was a very fast flying female monk, 
but it is probably english and not dutch.


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From: andrel
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 23 Apr 2008 18:32:58
Message: <480FB93E.7010606@hotmail.com>
Gail Shaw wrote:
> "Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
> 
> If you're going to a library, ask a librarian. 

Andy is still resisting to ask the orangutan even though it prevents him 
from getting some subtle references.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 23 Apr 2008 18:59:39
Message: <bqfv049f91s1pe2t04u6a8cjahnqmgpugp@4ax.com>
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:14:38 +0200, "Gail Shaw"
<initialsurname@sentech sa dot com> wrote:

>
>No. I have a friend threatening to lend me the book. So far she hasn't made
>good on the threat.
>Note to self - raid the bookshelf next time I visit.

I won't give the ending away but it ties up a loose thread from
Shakespeare's Midsummer Nights Dream. 
-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 23 Apr 2008 19:01:55
Message: <0tfv045e1h79uvmt2g0qfrvsfo0vpa1hed@4ax.com>
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 00:33:34 +0200, andrel <a_l### [at] hotmailcom>
wrote:

>Gail Shaw wrote:
>> "Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
>> 
>> If you're going to a library, ask a librarian. 
>
>Andy is still resisting to ask the orangutan even though it prevents him 
>from getting some subtle references.

LOL and don't call him a chimp. ;)
-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 23 Apr 2008 19:37:57
Message: <480fc855@news.povray.org>
andrel wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
> 
>>
>> It's sometimes fun trying to figure out what my wife (who learned 
>> Chinese first) is asking when she comes across a word she doesn't 
>> know.  "What's a mig-non?"
>>
> Don't know, my first though that it was a very fast flying female monk, 
> but it is probably english and not dutch.

I asked her if it had the word "fill-it" in front. :-)  "Yeah! How'd you 
know?"

She's great. I'm not making fun of her, but of English. :-)

-- 
   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
     "That's pretty. Where's that?"
          "It's the Age of Channelwood."
     "We should go there on vacation some time."


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 23 Apr 2008 19:39:06
Message: <480fc89a$1@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> "Water, Sugar, Citric Acid, Vitamin C" [Found on some cheap lemonade.]

I liked the bit I had this morning.  "... Natural banana flavoring 
(water, fruit juice, organic sugar) ..."

I wasn't aware you could juice a banana, myself.

-- 
   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
     "That's pretty. Where's that?"
          "It's the Age of Channelwood."
     "We should go there on vacation some time."


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 23 Apr 2008 19:40:41
Message: <480fc8f9$1@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> I very much doubt that I've read all the good fiction already! ;-) 
> There's probably an ample supply of suitable stuff out there. As I say, 
> the problem is locating it. 

I liked one story I read where the main character mentioned at some 
point he only reads books more than 100 years old. "Doesn't that limit 
your choices?"   "No, not really."   Two chapters later, you find out 
he's a millenium-old vampire.


-- 
   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
     "That's pretty. Where's that?"
          "It's the Age of Channelwood."
     "We should go there on vacation some time."


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 23 Apr 2008 19:47:55
Message: <480fcaab$1@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Actually, I was thinking if anything I'm likely to try reading the Harry 
> Potter books [which are also reputed to be well-written].

They're well-written, but rather puerile in my opinion. Of course, 
they're targeted at kids, so you kind of expect it. The first one was 
OK, but as they went on it was obviously getting lamer and lamer. The 
movie pretty much summed up the book without a whole lot of differences.

I also read Golden Compass et al, which was actually one of the better 
fantasy books I've read lately. Surprisingly full of prophesies and 
magic for a book intended to convince you not to believe in that stuff.

I suspect, Andrew, you would very much like "Permutation City" by Greg 
Egan. Track it down and read the description. It's one of my favorite 
pieces of geeky computer fiction.

-- 
   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
     "That's pretty. Where's that?"
          "It's the Age of Channelwood."
     "We should go there on vacation some time."


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 23 Apr 2008 19:49:58
Message: <480fcb26$1@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:
>   Yes. Especially the place for Edoras was a superb find. (Only some
> buildings were added with CGI, all the rest is real scenery.)

As a sideways tangent, if you've ever seen the Aeon Flux movie, those 
buildings are all existing buildings in some city in Germany, according 
to the DVD extras. Next time I'm vacationing there, I'll have to track 
it down.

-- 
   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
     "That's pretty. Where's that?"
          "It's the Age of Channelwood."
     "We should go there on vacation some time."


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From: Gail Shaw
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 24 Apr 2008 00:37:19
Message: <48100e7f@news.povray.org>
"Stephen" <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom> wrote in message
news:bqfv049f91s1pe2t04u6a8cjahnqmgpugp@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:14:38 +0200, "Gail Shaw"
> <initialsurname@sentech sa dot com> wrote:
>
> >
> >No. I have a friend threatening to lend me the book. So far she hasn't
made
> >good on the threat.
> >Note to self - raid the bookshelf next time I visit.
>
> I won't give the ending away but it ties up a loose thread from
> Shakespeare's Midsummer Nights Dream.

Which I've never read...


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From: Gail Shaw
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 24 Apr 2008 00:37:51
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"Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message
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>
> Have you read The Children of Hurin?  I've got the book on CDs, but
> haven't opened it yet.
>

No, sorry.


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From: Gail Shaw
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 24 Apr 2008 00:47:36
Message: <481010e8@news.povray.org>
"Darren New" <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote in message
news:480fcaab$1@news.povray.org...
> They're well-written, but rather puerile in my opinion. Of course,
> they're targeted at kids, so you kind of expect it. The first one was
> OK, but as they went on it was obviously getting lamer and lamer. The
> movie pretty much summed up the book without a whole lot of differences.

I still haven't managed to finish book 6. The characters are irritating me.

> I also read Golden Compass et al, which was actually one of the better
> fantasy books I've read lately. Surprisingly full of prophesies and
> magic for a book intended to convince you not to believe in that stuff.

They are excellent and surprisingly, the movie 'The Golden Compass' follows
the book almost exactly.
The first book was called "The Northern Lights" in all parts of the world
other than North America

I recently tracked down and reread the Dark Is Rising series. Also young
teenager books, but very well written


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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 24 Apr 2008 04:09:11
Message: <op.t93vmmhcc3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:56:44 +0100, Stephen <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom>
  

did spake, saying:

> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:02:46 +0100, "Phil Cook"
> <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>
>> lash = do putStrLn "You've been a naughty boy haven't you?"
>>           grovel <- readLn
>>           if grovel == yes
>>               then putStrLn "So you need to be whipped"
>>               else putStrLn "Liar! You need to be whipped"
>>
>
> See You Jimmie. You a perv or sumthing? :)

Can't I be a perv and sumthing? ;-)

-- 

Phil Cook

--
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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 24 Apr 2008 04:10:55
Message: <op.t93vphfuc3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:26:17 +0100, Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull>  
did spake, saying:

> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>
>> Worrying fact: This almost compiles, actually...
>
> Actually, scrub that. Worrying fact: I knew it would compile without  
> trying it. :-.

Hardly worrying it wasn't exactly complex, a slight touch of worry would  
be you parsing it and thinking "Hmm that sounds about right"

-- 
Phil Cook

--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 24 Apr 2008 04:14:54
Message: <4810417e$1@news.povray.org>
>>> You might even make a couple acquaintances at the library
>> I've heard this gem before. However, given that talking is strictly 
>> prohibited, I fail to comprehend how this one works...
> 
> When was the last time you were in a library :) Now-a-days the sound
> of keyboards clicking would deafen you :(

Especially at *my* library! Last time I checked, they still use two-tone 
brown dumb terminals with green screens for searching the library catelogue.

-- 
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 24 Apr 2008 04:28:01
Message: <op.t93whqnkc3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:04:50 +0100, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom>  
did spake, saying:

> Phil Cook wrote:
>> And lo on Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:14:27 +0100, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom>  
>> did spake, saying:
>>
>>> Phil Cook wrote:
>>>> I just can't imagine not reading fiction; it's just my default state  
>>>> of being.
>>>
>>> Hey, I read nothing but non-fiction until fifth grade, whereupon the  
>>> teacher forced the issue by requiring a book report on a fiction book.  
>>> :-)
>>  It wan't meant disparagingly, simply an Error Does Not Compute for my  
>> OS :-)
>
> I took no offense. :-)

Well you never can tell by text :-)

> The first fiction book I read was about a family captured by the giant  
> AI that is built into Phobos by the now-extinct Martians. I wish I could  
> remember the name - "Phobos is missing" or something like that...

GIYF or more precise WIYF - Phobos the Robot Planet by Paul Capon? Not one  
I've read.

-- 
Phil Cook

--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com


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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 24 Apr 2008 04:29:50
Message: <op.t93wkqsuc3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Thu, 24 Apr 2008 00:39:06 +0100, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom>  
did spake, saying:

> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> "Water, Sugar, Citric Acid, Vitamin C" [Found on some cheap lemonade.]
>
> I liked the bit I had this morning.  "... Natural banana flavoring  
> (water, fruit juice, organic sugar) ..."
>
> I wasn't aware you could juice a banana, myself.

Sure you can - hold it by both ends and wring dry :-P

-- 
Phil Cook

--
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http://flipc.blogspot.com


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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 24 Apr 2008 04:33:05
Message: <op.t93wp4bmc3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:53:45 +0100, Stephen <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom>  
did spake, saying:

> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:54:56 +0100, "Phil Cook"
> <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:
>
>> Well they do sometimes put quizes on the back, or mazes; mazes are fun  
>> ;-)
>>
>> Personally ...<skip rambling> in a feeble
>> attempt to gain consciousness prior to the coffee hit.
>
> It was a figure of speech, Phil :)

Yeah I knew that yeah course I did [cough]. Seriously though I look at the  
ingredients of everything I eat except breakfast, often for the same  
reason as Andy.

-- 
Phil Cook

--
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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 24 Apr 2008 05:45:34
Message: <3jl01416tjt2jibjhe6brgnc6qtfo20me5@4ax.com>
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 06:38:18 +0200, "Gail Shaw"
<initialsurname@sentech sa dot com> wrote:

>> I won't give the ending away but it ties up a loose thread from
>> Shakespeare's Midsummer Nights Dream.
>
>Which I've never read...

No matter it is still a good book it just has a twist that I
appreciated. 
-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 24 Apr 2008 06:01:52
Message: <7fm01413fm49ti3nt8s9ikjo21kt982hgv@4ax.com>
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:33:30 +0100, "Phil Cook"
<phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:

>Yeah I knew that yeah course I did [cough]. Seriously though I look at the  
>ingredients of everything I eat except breakfast, 

I don't do that, it spoils my appetite :)

>often for the same  
>reason as Andy.

Hmm! <resists any temptation to make a smarta***d comment> :) 
-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 24 Apr 2008 09:24:51
Message: <48108a23@news.povray.org>
Invisible escribió:
> Especially at *my* library! Last time I checked, they still use two-tone 
> brown dumb terminals with green screens for searching the library 
> catelogue.

WTF!


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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 24 Apr 2008 09:30:37
Message: <48108b7d@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:

> 
> Especially at *my* library! Last time I checked, they still use two-tone 
> brown dumb terminals with green screens for searching the library 
> catelogue.
> 

Not terribly dissimilar to what pizza delivery places (that actually 
have a computerized system) use, I imagine. Everything ran off of the 
manager's computer, with serial cables. It was some specialized 
multi-tasking form of DOS. Weird stuff.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 24 Apr 2008 10:04:45
Message: <4810937d$1@news.povray.org>
>> Especially at *my* library! Last time I checked, they still use 
>> two-tone brown dumb terminals with green screens for searching the 
>> library catelogue.
> 
> WTF!

What? It's a library funded by a county counsil. What's to explain? 
Technically it does what it's meant to do...

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From: Gail Shaw
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 24 Apr 2008 11:06:41
Message: <4810a201@news.povray.org>
"Darren New" <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote in message
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> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> > "Water, Sugar, Citric Acid, Vitamin C" [Found on some cheap lemonade.]
>
> I liked the bit I had this morning.  "... Natural banana flavoring
> (water, fruit juice, organic sugar) ..."
>
> I wasn't aware you could juice a banana, myself.

Who said that's banana juice? They said banana flavoring and fruit juice.
They didn't say *what* fruit.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 24 Apr 2008 11:29:47
Message: <sq9114hnda04o1ss8e3l8j3ldu2e87te54@4ax.com>
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:07:40 +0200, "Gail Shaw"
<initialsurname@sentech sa dot com> wrote:

>
>"Darren New" <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote in message
>news:480fc89a$1@news.povray.org...
>> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> > "Water, Sugar, Citric Acid, Vitamin C" [Found on some cheap lemonade.]
>>
>> I liked the bit I had this morning.  "... Natural banana flavoring
>> (water, fruit juice, organic sugar) ..."
>>
>> I wasn't aware you could juice a banana, myself.
>
>Who said that's banana juice? They said banana flavoring and fruit juice.
>They didn't say *what* fruit.
>
Yes, but …
You can still juice a banana :)
With milk they are really nice IMHO.
Have you tried carrot and apple juiced?
-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 24 Apr 2008 12:17:04
Message: <4810b280$1@news.povray.org>
Phil Cook wrote:
> GIYF or more precise WIYF - Phobos the Robot Planet by Paul Capon? Not 
> one I've read.

Actually, it looks more like "Lost, a Moon". No mention of Phobos in the 
title. Phobos the Robot Planet was published the same year. I'm 
suspecting it was the same story published under two names. The cover of 
"Lost, a Moon" is definitely something I remember.

Cool! Thanks!  (And yes, I did google it, but I obviously got the wrong 
words to search.)

-- 
   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
     "That's pretty. Where's that?"
          "It's the Age of Channelwood."
     "We should go there on vacation some time."


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 24 Apr 2008 12:18:48
Message: <4810b2e8@news.povray.org>
Stephen wrote:
> I don't do that, it spoils my appetite :)

<LaurieAnderson> And you're eating, and you're reading, and you're 
eating, and you suddenly realize that what you're eating is what you're 
reading. But by then, it's much too late. </LaurieAnderson>

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     "That's pretty. Where's that?"
          "It's the Age of Channelwood."
     "We should go there on vacation some time."


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 24 Apr 2008 12:20:12
Message: <4810b33c$1@news.povray.org>
Gail Shaw wrote:
> "Darren New" <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote in message
> news:480fc89a$1@news.povray.org...
>> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> "Water, Sugar, Citric Acid, Vitamin C" [Found on some cheap lemonade.]
>> I liked the bit I had this morning.  "... Natural banana flavoring
>> (water, fruit juice, organic sugar) ..."
>>
>> I wasn't aware you could juice a banana, myself.
> 
> Who said that's banana juice? They said banana flavoring and fruit juice.
> They didn't say *what* fruit.

Oh, I know. It was just a bit odd that the "natural banana flavoring" 
apparently had no banana in it. Not the naive interpretation of 
"natural" I was expecting. It was more an amused comment than anything.

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     "That's pretty. Where's that?"
          "It's the Age of Channelwood."
     "We should go there on vacation some time."


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 24 Apr 2008 12:21:53
Message: <4810b3a1$1@news.povray.org>
Gail Shaw wrote:
> They are excellent and surprisingly, the movie 'The Golden Compass' follows
> the book almost exactly.

To a large extent, yes. Didn't they skip the trek with the gypsies (or 
whatever they're called in the book) or was that the second novel?

And yah, the movie ended about a chapter earlier, which was kind of an 
interesting choice, given the final chapter of the book.

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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 24 Apr 2008 12:29:07
Message: <7ad114legc6k3mdrca2vksdo9bvs6arbr5@4ax.com>
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:18:48 -0700, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom>
wrote:

>Stephen wrote:
>> I don't do that, it spoils my appetite :)
>
><LaurieAnderson> And you're eating, and you're reading, and you're 
>eating, and you suddenly realize that what you're eating is what you're 
>reading. But by then, it's much too late. </LaurieAnderson>

LOL
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Regards
     Stephen


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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 24 Apr 2008 12:44:05
Message: <4810b8d5$1@news.povray.org>
Darren New wrote:
> 
> Oh, I know. It was just a bit odd that the "natural banana flavoring" 
> apparently had no banana in it. Not the naive interpretation of 
> "natural" I was expecting. It was more an amused comment than anything.
> 

Yep. I remember a long time ago watching a show about some of what goes 
on behind the scenes with manufactured food products. I remember some 
person in a lab with dozens of tiny vials mixing and matching the 
compounds, and giving it a taste. The host asked about the distinction 
between natural and artificial flavorings. The person in the lab 
basically stated a natural flavor may have no relevance to what it's 
trying to mimic, but is extracted from a natural source, whereas 
artificial flavor is a molecule synthesized to mimic the flavor of 
something. Something like almond flavoring isn't derived from the 
almonds you can buy at the supermarket, but rather an extract toxic 
variety that is bitter to the taste.

Not sure what they could use to get "natural" banana flavor...


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 24 Apr 2008 14:35:24
Message: <4810d2ec$1@news.povray.org>
>> Actually, I was thinking if anything I'm likely to try reading the 
>> Harry Potter books [which are also reputed to be well-written].
> 
> They're well-written, but rather puerile in my opinion.

Hooookay then... Time to get the dictionary again. :-}

> Of course, they're targeted at kids, so you kind of expect it.

Well I don't know. The first film is *exactly* what you'd expect from 
every kids adventure film ever made. There was some humour which was 
actually enjoyable, but overall the thing was pretty much predictable.

The second film, however, seemed much darker and more interesting. [Note 
that I don't usually consider those two to be strongly correlated.] Each 
film seems even better than the one before. [Altough, frankly, the 
opening sequence of the Goblet of Fire made *no sense* at all. It was 
all too fast to comprehend.] The last one I saw - Order of the Pheonix - 
well, I have no idea what the book says, but if *I* wanted to make a 
kick-ass film about a wizard, this is totally the film I'd make!

[Except that, obviously, if *I* made it, it would suck...]

> I also read Golden Compass et al, which was actually one of the better 
> fantasy books I've read lately. Surprisingly full of prophesies and 
> magic for a book intended to convince you not to believe in that stuff.

Mmm, I'll have to try that. Actually, the I've got a DVD that has a 
trailer for something called the Spiderwick Chronicles. It looks... 
interesting.

> I suspect, Andrew, you would very much like "Permutation City" by Greg 
> Egan. Track it down and read the description. It's one of my favorite 
> pieces of geeky computer fiction.

Hmm. Maybe, maybe not. We'll see.

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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 24 Apr 2008 14:36:36
Message: <4810d334$1@news.povray.org>
>>> Note to self - raid the bookshelf next time I visit.
>> Oh, I'm sorry - am I making you hungry? :-)
> 
> Huh?

Hungry for a good read. ;-)

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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 24 Apr 2008 14:37:46
Message: <4810d37a$1@news.povray.org>
>> I won't give the ending away but it ties up a loose thread from
>> Shakespeare's Midsummer Nights Dream.
> 
> Which I've never read...

...OK, I'm going to resist quoting Shakespeare. You'll all just think I 
looked it up online anyway...

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From: Gail Shaw
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 24 Apr 2008 15:09:19
Message: <4810dadf@news.povray.org>
"Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
news:4810d334$1@news.povray.org...
> >>> Note to self - raid the bookshelf next time I visit.
> >> Oh, I'm sorry - am I making you hungry? :-)
> >
> > Huh?
>
> Hungry for a good read. ;-)
>

Not really. I have a whole pile of books I haven't read. It's just that she
keeps saying she'll loan me the book, but never does.


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From: andrel
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 24 Apr 2008 15:14:52
Message: <4810DC51.1070002@hotmail.com>
Darren New wrote:
> andrel wrote:
>> Darren New wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> It's sometimes fun trying to figure out what my wife (who learned 
>>> Chinese first) is asking when she comes across a word she doesn't 
>>> know.  "What's a mig-non?"
>>>
>> Don't know, my first though that it was a very fast flying female 
>> monk, but it is probably english and not dutch.
> 
> I asked her if it had the word "fill-it" in front. :-)  "Yeah! How'd you 
> know?"
> 
> She's great. I'm not making fun of her, but of English. :-)
> 
Why would fillet mignon be english?


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 24 Apr 2008 15:35:38
Message: <4810e10a$1@news.povray.org>
andrel wrote:
> Why would fillet mignon be english?

OK. I'll grant you that one. On the other hand, it's not normally 
italicized, so it's officially imported in some sense.

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     "That's pretty. Where's that?"
          "It's the Age of Channelwood."
     "We should go there on vacation some time."


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 24 Apr 2008 18:31:12
Message: <48110a30$1@news.povray.org>
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 06:38:48 +0200, Gail Shaw wrote:

> "Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message
> news:480fae73$1@news.povray.org...
>>
>> Have you read The Children of Hurin?  I've got the book on CDs, but
>> haven't opened it yet.
>>
>>
> No, sorry.

Ah well, it's read by Christopher Lee, so it should be easy to listen 
to. :-)

Jim


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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 25 Apr 2008 04:28:33
Message: <op.t95q6m1cc3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:17:05 +0100, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom>  
did spake, saying:

> Phil Cook wrote:
>> GIYF or more precise WIYF - Phobos the Robot Planet by Paul Capon? Not  
>> one I've read.
>
> Actually, it looks more like "Lost, a Moon". No mention of Phobos in the  
> title. Phobos the Robot Planet was published the same year. I'm  
> suspecting it was the same story published under two names. The cover of  
> "Lost, a Moon" is definitely something I remember.

I've found it rare but it's really annoying when that happens 'Oo look a  
book by my favourite author I haven't got. Oh wait it's just the same as  
one I do have, but with a different title".

> Cool! Thanks!  (And yes, I did google it, but I obviously got the wrong  
> words to search.)

And therein lies the problem with Google. IIRC I did Phobos computer  
extinct martians capture; might have been a science fiction tacked on to,  
but it amusingly led to the Phobos page on Wikipedia

-- 
Phil Cook

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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 25 Apr 2008 14:32:41
Message: <481223c9$1@news.povray.org>
Phil Cook wrote:
> And lo on Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:17:05 +0100, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> 
> did spake, saying:
> 
>> Phil Cook wrote:
>>> GIYF or more precise WIYF - Phobos the Robot Planet by Paul Capon? 
>>> Not one I've read.
>>
>> Actually, it looks more like "Lost, a Moon". No mention of Phobos in 
>> the title. Phobos the Robot Planet was published the same year. I'm 
>> suspecting it was the same story published under two names. The cover 
>> of "Lost, a Moon" is definitely something I remember.
> 
> I've found it rare but it's really annoying when that happens 'Oo look a 
> book by my favourite author I haven't got. Oh wait it's just the same as 
> one I do have, but with a different title".

That happened so often with me and music (compilation disks of stuff I 
already had) that I bought/wrote software to scrape CDDB and stick into 
my palm pilot all the CDs I own sorted by track and author.

I also wound up with James Blish's "Starship" twice.  Same time period, 
same kind of thing.

-- 
   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
     "That's pretty. Where's that?"
          "It's the Age of Channelwood."
     "We should go there on vacation some time."


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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: These words
Date: 2 May 2008 11:35:59
Message: <op.uai9a0oic3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Thu, 24 Apr 2008 00:40:41 +0100, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom>  
did spake, saying:

> Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>> I very much doubt that I've read all the good fiction already! ;-)  
>> There's probably an ample supply of suitable stuff out there. As I say,  
>> the problem is locating it.
>
> I liked one story I read where the main character mentioned at some  
> point he only reads books more than 100 years old. "Doesn't that limit  
> your choices?"   "No, not really."   Two chapters later, you find out  
> he's a millenium-old vampire.

I think I'd have found it more amusing if an apparent 25-year old said  
they only read contemporary books, with the same continuation and  
revelation.

-- 
Phil Cook

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