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2.6.25 was released exactly 10 hours ago. I'm already configuring and
getting ready to test it on a laptop. (omg I'm a fanatical nerd :-)
John
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> 2.6.25 was released exactly 10 hours ago. I'm already configuring and
> getting ready to test it on a laptop. (omg I'm a fanatical nerd :-)
I guess if you don't know what 2.6.25 is then this message probably doesn't
apply to you :-)
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On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:29:19 +0200, "scott" <sco### [at] laptop com> wrote:
>> 2.6.25 was released exactly 10 hours ago. I'm already configuring and
>> getting ready to test it on a laptop. (omg I'm a fanatical nerd :-)
>
>I guess if you don't know what 2.6.25 is then this message probably doesn't
>apply to you :-)
>
Is it a train with a long tender?
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scott wrote:
>> 2.6.25 was released exactly 10 hours ago. I'm already configuring and
>> getting ready to test it on a laptop. (omg I'm a fanatical nerd :-)
>
> I guess if you don't know what 2.6.25 is then this message probably
> doesn't apply to you :-)
>
>
Think penguins
Run Linux
Run Fast
Run Free (my old sig)
John
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Stephen wrote:
> Is it a train with a long tender?
Wot's a tender? ;-)
I'm way too young to remember steam trains
John
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On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:37:24 +0100, Doctor John <doc### [at] gmailcom>
wrote:
>Stephen wrote:
>> Is it a train with a long tender?
>Wot's a tender? ;-)
>I'm way too young to remember steam trains
>
LOL
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Doctor John wrote:
> 2.6.25 was released exactly 10 hours ago.
...and we care because...?
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Invisible wrote:
> Doctor John wrote:
>> 2.6.25 was released exactly 10 hours ago.
>
> ....and we care because...?
>
Warp probably cares, I certainly do and so, I expect, do many thousand
others.
John
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Doctor John wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
>> Doctor John wrote:
>>> 2.6.25 was released exactly 10 hours ago.
>> ....and we care because...?
>>
> Warp probably cares, I certainly do and so, I expect, do many thousand
> others.
I think you're more supposed to care that he cares, than to care yourself.
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"That's pretty. Where's that?"
"It's the Age of Channelwood."
"We should go there on vacation some time."
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"Doctor John" <doc### [at] gmailcom> a écrit dans le message de news:
48077069@news.povray.org...
> Invisible wrote:
>> Doctor John wrote:
>>> 2.6.25 was released exactly 10 hours ago.
>>
>> ....and we care because...?
>>
> Warp probably cares, I certainly do and so, I expect, do many thousand
> others.
Now if the Linux folks could do something like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPv8PPl7ANU
everytime there's a new version out, THAT would be something to care about
;)
G.
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Gilles Tran wrote:
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> Now if the Linux folks could do something like this
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPv8PPl7ANU
> everytime there's a new version out, THAT would be something to care about
> ;)
>
> G.
>
>
>
I'll have a quick word with Linus; I'm sure he'll be only too happy to
pay for it. I think Arcade Fire as the band and a troupe of dancing
penguins to add geek appeal ;-)
John
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>> ....and we care because...?
>>
> Warp probably cares, I certainly do and so, I expect, do many thousand
> others.
Well, I mean, it's not like it's *different* from the previous kernel or
anything...
Sure, there's probably a few internal differences. But from the outside?
Can you actually tell if a machine is running the old version or the new
version? No. So why the fuss?
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Gilles Tran wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPv8PPl7ANU
Wow. Bulemic, man.
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"That's pretty. Where's that?"
"It's the Age of Channelwood."
"We should go there on vacation some time."
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
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> Well, I mean, it's not like it's *different* from the previous kernel or
> anything...
>
> Sure, there's probably a few internal differences. But from the outside?
> Can you actually tell if a machine is running the old version or the new
> version?
yes. try uname -a
> No. So why the fuss?
>
What fuss? We're secure enough in the reliability and stability of our
OS not to have to make a song and dance about it. It's only commercial
pressures that require M$ to try and bullsh*t the average user that
external_show=internal_novelty
John
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world's shortest speech. He said, "I will be so brief I am already
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Doctor John wrote:
> 2.6.25 was released exactly 10 hours ago. I'm already configuring and
> getting ready to test it on a laptop. (omg I'm a fanatical nerd :-)
>
> John
>
I'm currently compiling one (actually I was already, before reading this
post) - for UltraSPARC :).
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On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:23:41 -0700, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom>
wrote:
>Gilles Tran wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPv8PPl7ANU
>
>Wow. Bulemic, man.
$$$ ?
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Eero Ahonen wrote:
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> I'm currently compiling one (actually I was already, before reading this
> post) - for UltraSPARC :).
>
:-)
Now, all you M$ cheerleaders when are we getting Vista for UltraSPARC?
ROTFLMAO
John
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Doctor John <doc### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> Warp probably cares, I certainly do and so, I expect, do many thousand
> others.
For some reason OpenSuse has the policy that they never upgrade the
kernel (nor gcc) of a given distro to the newest version. They only patch
the official kernel of that distro with security patches. Updating the
kernel (or gcc) manually is always At Your Own Risk (tm).
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On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:52:04 +0100, Doctor John <doc### [at] gmailcom>
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>Now, all you M$ cheerleaders when are we getting Vista for UltraSPARC?
>ROTFLMAO
I'm sorry now that I forgot to give you that Dried Frog pill.
:)
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Eero Ahonen <aer### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid> wrote:
> I'm currently compiling one (actually I was already, before reading this
> post) - for UltraSPARC :).
Why would anyone want to run linux on an UltraSPARC? AFAIK linux still
doesn't get even close to Solaris in scalability...
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Stephen wrote:
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> I'm sorry now that I forgot to give you that Dried Frog pill.
> :)
Andrew ate it ;-)
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On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:55:48 -0400, Warp wrote:
> For some reason OpenSuse has the policy that they never upgrade the
> kernel (nor gcc) of a given distro to the newest version.
I think it has something to do with any changes in the ABI that might
affect other software/drivers installed on the system.
Just a guess, though.
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On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:02:52 +0100, Doctor John <doc### [at] gmailcom>
wrote:
>Stephen wrote:
>>
>> I'm sorry now that I forgot to give you that Dried Frog pill.
>> :)
>
>Andrew ate it ;-)
Oh! Dear! :)
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Doctor John wrote:
> Now, all you M$ cheerleaders when are we getting Vista for UltraSPARC?
> ROTFLMAO
SPARC still exists...?
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>> So why the fuss?
>
> What fuss? We're secure enough in the reliability and stability of our
> OS not to have to make a song and dance about it. It's only commercial
> pressures that require M$ to try and bullsh*t the average user that
> external_show=internal_novelty
Well, if it's so great, why release a new version of the kernel?
And if the new kernel is exactly the same as the old one... what's the
point...? I'm confused...
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> So why the fuss?
>>
>> What fuss? We're secure enough in the reliability and stability of our
>> OS not to have to make a song and dance about it. It's only commercial
>> pressures that require M$ to try and bullsh*t the average user that
>> external_show=internal_novelty
>
> Well, if it's so great, why release a new version of the kernel?
>
> And if the new kernel is exactly the same as the old one... what's the
> point...? I'm confused...
>
Incremental improvement rather than massive change. Think of it as
evolution vs (un)ID
John
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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Doctor John wrote:
> > Now, all you M$ cheerleaders when are we getting Vista for UltraSPARC?
> > ROTFLMAO
> SPARC still exists...?
In your world there exists only two processor companies: Intel and AMD,
and there exists only two operating systems, Windows and Linux. Probably
also only two web browsers, IE and Firefox, two office software packages,
MS Office and OpenOffice, two image manipulation programs, Photoshop and
Gimp...
The world is bigger than you think, and not everything is made of pairs.
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Warp wrote:
> Eero Ahonen <aer### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid> wrote:
>> I'm currently compiling one (actually I was already, before reading this
>> post) - for UltraSPARC :).
>
> Why would anyone want to run linux on an UltraSPARC? AFAIK linux still
> doesn't get even close to Solaris in scalability...
>
http://www.michaeldolan.com/937
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Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> So why the fuss?
>>
>> What fuss? We're secure enough in the reliability and stability of our
>> OS not to have to make a song and dance about it. It's only commercial
>> pressures that require M$ to try and bullsh*t the average user that
>> external_show=internal_novelty
>
> Well, if it's so great, why release a new version of the kernel?
>
> And if the new kernel is exactly the same as the old one... what's the
> point...? I'm confused...
>
Are they the same?
http://kernelnewbies.org/LinuxChanges
In overall functionality, they are the same. But changes in each
version morph it into something that is more versatile.
So the average joe shouldn't run out and upgrade the kernel.
Those who are creating bleeding edge systems may need the most recent
changes - even those not a part of the official release yet.
Tom
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>> SPARC still exists...?
>
> In your world there exists only two processor companies: Intel and AMD,
> and there exists only two operating systems, Windows and Linux. Probably
> also only two web browsers, IE and Firefox, two office software packages,
> MS Office and OpenOffice, two image manipulation programs, Photoshop and
> Gimp...
>
> The world is bigger than you think, and not everything is made of pairs.
Well, no, there are *lots* of CPU designs out there. It's just that most
of them are legacy designs that used to be put in "computers", and now
get put into TVs and toasters. I'm aware that SPARC used to be big
business, I just hadn't heard it meantioned in ages, so I assumed it was
no longer current technology...
As far as OS choices, you've got Windows, Linux and [apparently] OpenBSD
(which, as best as I can figure out, is exactly like Linux, except that
it it's also different somehow...) As far as I'm aware, there aren't any
other operating systems for the IBM PC that are what you could describe
as "usable" in the normal sense.
There are zillions of web browsers, but only a few popular ones. [For
reasons that escape me, Lynx is apparently quite popular. Judging by my
web logs anyway...]
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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> As far as OS choices, you've got Windows, Linux and [apparently] OpenBSD
> (which, as best as I can figure out, is exactly like Linux, except that
> it it's also different somehow...)
While OpenBSD and FreeBSD are their own OSes, you are most probably
thinking about NetBSD.
They may "feel like" linux, but they have nothing to do with Linux.
They have their own kernel completely. Also they have many design principles
(eg. related to security) Linux doesn't. Read more at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netbsd
> As far as I'm aware, there aren't any
> other operating systems for the IBM PC that are what you could describe
> as "usable" in the normal sense.
I know you aren't aware of many things. For example that Solaris has been
a very viable alternative unix OS for the IBM PC for some years now (some
claim it has even better out-of-the-box hardware support than many popular
linux distros).
> There are zillions of web browsers, but only a few popular ones. [For
> reasons that escape me, Lynx is apparently quite popular. Judging by my
> web logs anyway...]
Believe it or not, sometimes people must access the WWW without a
fancy graphical user interface, eg. from a text terminal. Firefox and
other similar browsers are absolutely useless in that kind of environment.
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Doctor John <doc### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> http://www.michaeldolan.com/937
Sounds like anti-Solaris FUD to me.
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"Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
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> There are zillions of web browsers, but only a few popular ones. [For
> reasons that escape me, Lynx is apparently quite popular. Judging by my
> web logs anyway...]
I've had the same too, not many granted. Have you seen this site?
http://www.dejavu.org/
Click around. ;)
~Steve~
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> While OpenBSD and FreeBSD are their own OSes, you are most probably
> thinking about NetBSD.
>
> They may "feel like" linux, but they have nothing to do with Linux.
> They have their own kernel completely. Also they have many design principles
> (eg. related to security) Linux doesn't. Read more at
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netbsd
Yeah, but aren't they all just implementations of the POSIX standard
which basically defines exactly how everything has to work anyway?
[On the other hand, I haven't actually tried any of the BSD derivatives
first, hand...]
> I know you aren't aware of many things. For example that Solaris has been
> a very viable alternative unix OS for the IBM PC for some years now (some
> claim it has even better out-of-the-box hardware support than many popular
> linux distros).
Interesting. I thought that Solaris only works on Sun hardware. [And,
either way, that it's quite expensive].
>> There are zillions of web browsers, but only a few popular ones. [For
>> reasons that escape me, Lynx is apparently quite popular. Judging by my
>> web logs anyway...]
>
> Believe it or not, sometimes people must access the WWW without a
> fancy graphical user interface, eg. from a text terminal.
Interesting... You would think that's a pretty rare requirement.
You would also think that nobody doing this would be bothering to read
*my* insignificant blog, but hey...
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Orchid XP v8 escribió:
> Interesting... You would think that's a pretty rare requirement.
Go download Apache source code from a remote server you're ssh'ing to.
Do you remember the URL to the .tar.gz? Probably not.
lynx httpd.apache.org, browse, and download.
Not to mention Googling for troubleshooting information from said
server, and maybe ending up in a *blog* explaining how to fix a problem
or another.
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In fact, here's a screen of our viewers. I'm amazed some are still on w95!!
Gulp!
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BTW, I downloaded lynx for the iPod touch :P Only really usable from
ssh, using it from the Terminal app is painful. Particularly due to its
lack of widescreen support.
But hey, some people even ported X-based apps, even though there is no X
server. You can use your iPod from a remote X server, now that's weird...
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I thought webtv was supposed to be BIG?
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On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:36:07 +0100, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> Well, if it's so great, why release a new version of the kernel?
Because in complex software, there are *always* things that can be fixed,
made better, etc.
Jim
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>> Interesting... You would think that's a pretty rare requirement.
>
> Go download Apache source code from a remote server you're ssh'ing to.
> Do you remember the URL to the .tar.gz? Probably not.
>
> lynx httpd.apache.org, browse, and download.
I did this. Not for Apache, but for an ancient laptop that's sitting
underneith a USB printer acting as an IPP print server. Unfortunately,
the only way to get the driver to work is to download a tarball, work
out how to unpack it, and manually compile it. [Almost unbelievably,
this does actually work.]
Obviously, I did all the document reading from the machine at my desk.
But since I don't know of a way of getting a file from the computer at
my desk to the machine I'm SSH connected to, I was forced to use Lynx to
download it. [Man, I would *not* recommend anybody else try this, ever!]
But surely all of this is just because I suck at Linux? Surely if you
know how to work Linux properly, you'd look up the URL on your own PC
and just use mget or something on the remote?
> Not to mention Googling for troubleshooting information from said
> server, and maybe ending up in a *blog* explaining how to fix a problem
> or another.
1. If *my* blog is linked from anywhere, I'll be seriously amazed!
2. If my blog contains any *useful* info, I'll be ultra-amazed.
In fact, you know what? I challenge you to find a Google search term
that finds my blog. :-P
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St. wrote:
> In fact, here's a screen of our viewers. I'm amazed some are still on w95!!
> Gulp!
Wait, WTF? Amiga??? What are they running, IBrowse?!
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Orchid XP v8 escribió:
> 1. If *my* blog is linked from anywhere, I'll be seriously amazed!
>
> 2. If my blog contains any *useful* info, I'll be ultra-amazed.
>
> In fact, you know what? I challenge you to find a Google search term
> that finds my blog. :-P
I wasn't talking about *your* blog :) I have no idea why somebody would
browse your blog from lynx...
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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> I wasn't talking about *your* blog :) I have no idea why somebody would
> browse your blog from lynx...
Well, that's the part that was really *really* puzzling me... ;-)
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"Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] devnull> a écrit dans le message de news:
4807b158$1@news.povray.org...
> In fact, you know what? I challenge you to find a Google search term that
> finds my blog. :-P
You're the top one for this, silly boy :D
http://www.google.com/search?q=secumbing+eventualy
G.
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Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Yeah, but aren't they all just implementations of the POSIX standard
> which basically defines exactly how everything has to work anyway?
Posix defines some minimum requirements, it doesn't say what else the
OS may also implement.
Also, I don't think the posix standard says much about how the kernel
should internally be implemented (only about some of its interfaces).
> Interesting. I thought that Solaris only works on Sun hardware. [And,
> either way, that it's quite expensive].
Yes, I know you don't read current events on almost anything. Solaris
has worked on Intel hardware for quite some time, and Sun made it open
source also some time ago. Apparently they have gone to great lengths
to implement robust support for PC hardware. Some people even claim it's
better than linux in some aspects.
> > Believe it or not, sometimes people must access the WWW without a
> > fancy graphical user interface, eg. from a text terminal.
> Interesting... You would think that's a pretty rare requirement.
The computing world consists of more than just desktop PCs. Those
mythical big servers out there somewhere don't run by themselves, and
they don't all have fancy graphical user interfaces (many of them don't
have a graphics card at all).
Of course there are also a few purist unix gurus out there in their
caves who think that late 70's is the only real computer era and that
current computers are just toys for kids.
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- Warp
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How do I print an image in Wndows? I am told in linux there is a program called
convert. How can one do this in Windows?
Thanks
Vrunda
Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> St. wrote:
> > In fact, here's a screen of our viewers. I'm amazed some are still on w95!!
> > Gulp!
>
> Wait, WTF? Amiga??? What are they running, IBrowse?!
>
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> http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Warp wrote:
>
> Why would anyone want to run linux on an UltraSPARC? AFAIK linux still
> doesn't get even close to Solaris in scalability...
>
Because of the usability and configurability (I'm not doing anything BIG
with a Netra X1, more like something very small;). And most of all my
laziness: because I already have working configurations etc for Linux
for the stuff the machine will be doing. It'll just replace my ancient
P200MMX -box, which is getting unstable (3 crashes in 2 years) and which
has a HD that's keeping a hey-I-think-I'd-need-to-break-down -noise (and
yes, the Sparc will be diskless installation).
If it wasn't Linux, it'd still most probably be OpenBSD, not Solaris.
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http://www.zbxt.net
aer### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid
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St. <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:
> In fact, here's a screen of our viewers. I'm amazed some are still on w95!!
> Gulp!
These are some of the coolest httpd requests I get:
xxx.xx.x.xx - - [05/Apr/2008:01:48:54 +0000] "GET /pics/th_screws.jpg HTTP/1.1" 200
1709 "http://warp.povusers.org/pics/" "Mozilla/4.0 (PSP (PlayStation Portable); 2.00)"
290 2004
(There's a total of 1267 requests with that architecture.)
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- Warp
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math_prof <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> How do I print an image in Wndows?
alt+printscreen copies the current window to the clipboard. Then just
launch your favorite image manipulation program and past (or "acquire
from clipboard", or whatever).
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- Warp
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>> In fact, you know what? I challenge you to find a Google search term that
>> finds my blog. :-P
>
> You're the top one for this, silly boy :D
> http://www.google.com/search?q=secumbing+eventualy
O_O
My God... I didn't realise my total inability to spell words correctly
was this unique on the Internet... [or that Google has trawled my blog
in the last few days...]
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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