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From: Invisible
Subject: A practical matter
Date: 3 Apr 2008 05:17:47
Message: <47f4aecb$1@news.povray.org>
I have before me a Compaq Armada 100S (model number PP1020). I want to 
erase the hard drive. However, apparently the power supply adaptor has 
already been thrown away, and the battery is completely head. No matter; 
I have an adaptor. I'll just take the harddrive out and connect it to 
another machine to erase it.

Uh... wait, where *is* the harddrive??

Looking at the underside of the machine, the front portion is taken up 
by the battery. Removing that, the rest of the front is clearly taken up 
by the floppy drive. Behind the floppy drive is the CD-ROM drive, taking 
up most of the space. There's a panel next to that which looks 
removable. Behind the battery is the PCMCIA buy, and above that a 
removable plate that looks like it's for RAM expansions. And behind that 
is the edge of the machine.

So it doesn't look like there's *room* for a drive anywhere! But let's 
see what's under this small bay... Nope, just air in here. (And no 
connectors. Odd!) OK, how about the large area in the middle? Well, 
there's the CPU fan and massive heat sink. And under the heat sink is... 
an AMD K6-II and an empty RAM bay. Great!

So... where the **** is the hard drive?! It definitely *has* one, but 
*where* is it?? I'm puzzled...

Do any of you fine gentlemen have any idea where I can look next? There 
really don't appear to by any unexplored areas *large* enough to house a 
drive...

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From: Tim Attwood
Subject: Re: A practical matter
Date: 3 Apr 2008 06:57:01
Message: <47f4c60d@news.povray.org>
Here's a picture of one, it looks like it has a pannel attached,
maybe it's right behind the CD?
http://service.pcconnection.com/images/inhouse/6486021.jpg


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: A practical matter
Date: 3 Apr 2008 10:20:24
Message: <47f4f5b8@news.povray.org>
Tim Attwood wrote:
> Here's a picture of one, it looks like it has a pannel attached,
> maybe it's right behind the CD?

You know, I've looked right round the sides of this thing, and I really 
can't see *space* for a panel that big... Clearly there must *be* one 
somewhere, but damned if I can find it. :-S

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From: Fredrik Eriksson
Subject: Re: A practical matter
Date: 3 Apr 2008 12:36:19
Message: <op.t81puttx7bxctx@e6600.bredbandsbolaget.se>
On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 12:17:21 +0200, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> I have before me a Compaq Armada 100S (model number PP1020). I want to  
> erase the hard drive. However, apparently the power supply adaptor has  
> already been thrown away, and the battery is completely head. No matter;  
> I have an adaptor. I'll just take the harddrive out and connect it to  
> another machine to erase it.
>
> Uh... wait, where *is* the harddrive??

If it is not behind one of the panels on the bottom then it is most likely  
located under the keyboard.


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FE


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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: A practical matter
Date: 3 Apr 2008 14:00:12
Message: <47f5293c$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> I have before me a Compaq Armada 100S (model number PP1020). I want to
> erase the hard drive. However, apparently the power supply adaptor has
> already been thrown away, and the battery is completely head. No matter;
> I have an adaptor. I'll just take the harddrive out and connect it to
> another machine to erase it.
> 
> Uh... wait, where *is* the harddrive??
> 

You've heard of virtual memory? Well, this is a virtual hard-drive. :-)
(Sorry, couldn't resist it)

John

-- 
I will be brief but not nearly so brief as Salvador Dali, who gave the
world's shortest speech. He said, "I will be so brief I am already
finished," then he sat down.


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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: A practical matter
Date: 3 Apr 2008 14:08:14
Message: <47f52b1e@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> I have before me a Compaq Armada 100S (model number PP1020). I want to
> erase the hard drive. However, apparently the power supply adaptor has
> already been thrown away, and the battery is completely head. No matter;
> I have an adaptor. I'll just take the harddrive out and connect it to
> another machine to erase it.
> 
> Uh... wait, where *is* the harddrive??
> 
Looking at this page
http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/10695_div/10695_div.html#Storage
It looks as if its just in front of the CD drive

John

-- 
I will be brief but not nearly so brief as Salvador Dali, who gave the
world's shortest speech. He said, "I will be so brief I am already
finished," then he sat down.


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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: A practical matter
Date: 3 Apr 2008 14:30:55
Message: <47f5306f@news.povray.org>
Invisible escribió:
> Do any of you fine gentlemen have any idea where I can look next? There 
> really don't appear to by any unexplored areas *large* enough to house a 
> drive...

Have you seen iPod dissection pictures? You don't know how small hard 
drives can be.


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: A practical matter
Date: 3 Apr 2008 15:07:02
Message: <47f538e6$1@news.povray.org>
Nicolas Alvarez wrote:

> Have you seen iPod dissection pictures? You don't know how small hard 
> drives can be.

Yeah, but 10 years ago?


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: A practical matter
Date: 3 Apr 2008 15:07:38
Message: <47f5390a@news.povray.org>
Doctor John wrote:

> Looking at this page
> http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/10695_div/10695_div.html#Storage
> It looks as if its just in front of the CD drive

Wow... it *really* doesn't look like there's anywhere near enough space 
there...

And also, I'll have to take the main casing apart to get at that. *sigh*


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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: A practical matter
Date: 3 Apr 2008 15:10:20
Message: <47f539ac$1@news.povray.org>
Orchid XP v8 escribió:
> And also, I'll have to take the main casing apart to get at that. *sigh*

Post pictures.

"Pictures of people unpacking boxes of hardware is the new geek porn."

I think it applies to people putting hardware apart too. I mean, 
everyone here has surely seen the insides of a desktop PC, but not 
everyone has seen the insides of a laptop in person (or an iPod; that's 
why there are dissection pics on the net for every single iPod model).


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From: St 
Subject: Re: A practical matter
Date: 3 Apr 2008 18:21:36
Message: <47f56680$1@news.povray.org>
"Doctor John" <doc### [at] gmailcom> wrote in message 
news:47f52b1e@news.povray.org...
> Invisible wrote:
>> I have before me a Compaq Armada 100S (model number PP1020). I want to
>> erase the hard drive. However, apparently the power supply adaptor has
>> already been thrown away, and the battery is completely head. No matter;
>> I have an adaptor. I'll just take the harddrive out and connect it to
>> another machine to erase it.
>>
>> Uh... wait, where *is* the harddrive??
>>
> Looking at this page
> http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/10695_div/10695_div.html#Storage
> It looks as if its just in front of the CD drive

    Beat me to it by eons with that link. Well, I had that page signposted 
this afternoon, but was looking for something better, but it isn't there for 
the 100S notebook. Too old for the 'net methinks. Google isn't good for a 
lot of things it seems.

     ~Steve~


>
> John
>
> -- 
> I will be brief but not nearly so brief as Salvador Dali, who gave the
> world's shortest speech. He said, "I will be so brief I am already
> finished," then he sat down.


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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: A practical matter
Date: 3 Apr 2008 18:28:13
Message: <47f5680d@news.povray.org>
St. escribió:
> Too old for the 'net

:(

There's many things I looked for and concluded were "too old for the 
net". (has anyone heard of "3D Dinosaur Adventure" from "Knowledge 
Adventure"?)


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From: St 
Subject: Re: A practical matter
Date: 3 Apr 2008 18:39:33
Message: <47f56ab5$1@news.povray.org>
"Nicolas Alvarez" <nic### [at] gmailisthebestcom> wrote in message 
news:47f5680d@news.povray.org...
> St. escribió:
>> Too old for the 'net
>
> :(
>
> There's many things I looked for and concluded were "too old for the net".

  Hey, you're young, you're going to see everything I won't see!

  Later m8,

   ~Steve~    ;)


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From: scott
Subject: Re: A practical matter
Date: 4 Apr 2008 01:31:44
Message: <47f5cb50$1@news.povray.org>
> I have before me a Compaq Armada 100S (model number PP1020). I want to 
> erase the hard drive.

Man where did you find that?  Just put the whole thing in a bonfire 
somewhere!


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: A practical matter
Date: 4 Apr 2008 03:33:24
Message: <47f5e7d4$1@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:

> Man where did you find that?  Just put the whole thing in a bonfire 
> somewhere!

Actually, I was thinking, if I burry it in, say, 5 Kg or thermite and 
light the sucker... in a few moments' time the entire chasis should be a 
pool of molten steel. I'm pretty sure there won't be too many magnetic 
domains intact on the surface of the platters - if endeed those surfaces 
stille exist.

On the other hand... where would I buy thermite from?

-- 
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From: scott
Subject: Re: A practical matter
Date: 4 Apr 2008 04:01:56
Message: <47f5ee84$1@news.povray.org>
> Actually, I was thinking, if I burry it in, say, 5 Kg or thermite and 
> light the sucker... in a few moments' time the entire chasis should be a 
> pool of molten steel. I'm pretty sure there won't be too many magnetic 
> domains intact on the surface of the platters - if endeed those surfaces 
> stille exist.
>
> On the other hand... where would I buy thermite from?

Why, you just make it yourself.  Isn't that the stuff where you get a load 
of aluminium filings and rust and then light it?  YOu need a strip of 
magnesium to light it though IIRC from school.


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From: scott
Subject: Re: A practical matter
Date: 4 Apr 2008 04:03:49
Message: <47f5eef5@news.povray.org>
> Actually, I was thinking, if I burry it in, say, 5 Kg or thermite and 
> light the sucker... in a few moments' time the entire chasis should be a 
> pool of molten steel.

From Wikipedia:

"Additionally, thermite grenades are used by friendly forces to destroy 
their own items and equipment when there is imminent danger of capture"

:-)


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: A practical matter
Date: 4 Apr 2008 04:13:33
Message: <47f5f13d$1@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:

>> On the other hand... where would I buy thermite from?
> 
> Why, you just make it yourself.  Isn't that the stuff where you get a 
> load of aluminium filings and rust and then light it?  YOu need a strip 
> of magnesium to light it though IIRC from school.

Well, I *do* have a large canister of laboritory-grade aluminium 
powder... but how to get finely powdered rust? (The finer the powder, 
the better it burns.) Not to mention magnesium ribbon - I used up my 
last strip, oh, 12 years ago. :-(

-- 
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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From: scott
Subject: Re: A practical matter
Date: 4 Apr 2008 04:27:15
Message: <47f5f473@news.povray.org>
> Well, I *do* have a large canister of laboritory-grade aluminium powder... 
> but how to get finely powdered rust? (The finer the powder, the better it 
> burns.)

Errm, a google for "iron oxide powder" brought up these guys on the first 
page:

http://www.supervacmaterials.co.uk/showcompound.asp?symbol=I4

> Not to mention magnesium ribbon - I used up my last strip, oh, 12 years 
> ago. :-(

Looks like those guys above have some magnesium too.


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From: Kyle
Subject: Re: A practical matter
Date: 4 Apr 2008 07:04:06
Message: <d26cv35dvbbf6lju9kguu06dsmnm8r2a69@4ax.com>
On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 11:02:19 +0200, "scott" <sco### [at] laptopcom> wrote:

>Why, you just make it yourself.  Isn't that the stuff where you get a load 
>of aluminium filings and rust and then light it?  YOu need a strip of 
>magnesium to light it though IIRC from school.
> 

I recall from a "black book" I read once that mixing aluminum filings plus plaster of
paris in a tin can, then allowing it to dry, makes a good incendiary device.  It'd be
hard to light too, but burns
quite hot, from what I read.  The purpose was to burn through support beams holding up
water towers, lookouts, etc.


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: A practical matter
Date: 4 Apr 2008 11:46:12
Message: <47f65b54$1@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:
> "Additionally, thermite grenades are used by friendly forces to destroy 
> their own items and equipment when there is imminent danger of capture"

I took a tour of a "Cole" class carrier a couple years ago. The bridge 
had at least three or four axes clamped to the walls here and there for 
just this purpose. (Yes, I asked. :-)

-- 
   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
     "That's pretty. Where's that?"
          "It's the Age of Channelwood."
     "We should go there on vacation some time."


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From: Sabrina Kilian
Subject: Re: A practical matter
Date: 4 Apr 2008 15:22:41
Message: <47f68e11$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> scott wrote:
> 
>>> On the other hand... where would I buy thermite from?
>>
>> Why, you just make it yourself.  Isn't that the stuff where you get a 
>> load of aluminium filings and rust and then light it?  YOu need a 
>> strip of magnesium to light it though IIRC from school.
> 
> Well, I *do* have a large canister of laboritory-grade aluminium 
> powder... but how to get finely powdered rust? (The finer the powder, 
> the better it burns.) Not to mention magnesium ribbon - I used up my 
> last strip, oh, 12 years ago. :-(
> 

Got an old pencil sharpener? I've heard the old metal ones are magnesium.

What is it with p.o-t and thermite? It seems there is a discussion that 
requires it's use every month or so.


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From: Orchid XP v8
Subject: Re: A practical matter
Date: 4 Apr 2008 15:27:02
Message: <47f68f16$1@news.povray.org>
Sabrina Kilian wrote:

> Got an old pencil sharpener? I've heard the old metal ones are magnesium.

I think it needs to be a thin ribbon to actually ignore [easily]. I 
don't know - my sister is the MChem around here... I'll ask.

> What is it with p.o-t and thermite? It seems there is a discussion that 
> requires it's use every month or so.

What can I say? I like violent things... :-,


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: A practical matter
Date: 4 Apr 2008 16:23:09
Message: <pu6dv3tevi16oh5f20pft5sbm18evgsesd@4ax.com>
On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 16:22:42 -0400, Sabrina Kilian <"ykgp at
vtSPAM.edu"> wrote:

>
>What is it with p.o-t and thermite? It seems there is a discussion that 
>requires it's use every month or so.

Boys!
-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: A practical matter
Date: 7 Apr 2008 04:33:05
Message: <47f9dc41$1@news.povray.org>
>> What is it with p.o-t and thermite? It seems there is a discussion that 
>> requires it's use every month or so.
> 
> Boys!

...OMFG! IT'S TRUE!! :'(

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From: Tom Austin
Subject: Re: A practical matter
Date: 7 Apr 2008 09:22:29
Message: <47fa2015$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> scott wrote:
> 
>>> On the other hand... where would I buy thermite from?
>>
>> Why, you just make it yourself.  Isn't that the stuff where you get a 
>> load of aluminium filings and rust and then light it?  YOu need a 
>> strip of magnesium to light it though IIRC from school.
> 
> Well, I *do* have a large canister of laboritory-grade aluminium 
> powder... but how to get finely powdered rust? (The finer the powder, 
> the better it burns.) Not to mention magnesium ribbon - I used up my 
> last strip, oh, 12 years ago. :-(
> 

interesting considering the quote from another topic

Invisible also wrote:
 > >> I am the least masculine male I know of. Presumably because I dislike
 > >> what being male stands for - violence, selfishness and brute
 > >> strength.


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