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Invisible wrote:
>>> Obviously, electrons don't just move around for the hell of it.
>>
>> Actually, at the quantum level, yeah, they do. That's why you can't
>> make abitrarily *small* transistors.
>
> True. But at the macroscopic level, they don't. Nothing does.
At the macroscopic level you can't see what electrons are doing.
Interestingly enough, when people talk about "reversible computing" that
uses no power because of the design of the gates, they usually don't
seem to realize that in practical implementations, the computation
doesn't on average progress, either. It's as likely to go forward as
backwards if you don't use power to drive it one way or the other.
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Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
"That's pretty. Where's that?"
"It's the Age of Channelwood."
"We should go there on vacation some time."
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Stephen wrote:
> That's good.
> I just reverse normal logic :)
That only works if you're not doing the accounting yourself. :-)
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Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
"That's pretty. Where's that?"
"It's the Age of Channelwood."
"We should go there on vacation some time."
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Stephen schrieb:
> On 2 Apr 2008 07:57:14 -0500, Michael Zier <mic### [at] mirizi de> wrote:
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>> No. If there was no such thing as "synchrotron radiation"
>
> Nope! I'm not going down that road. Ultrarelativistic particles, I'll
> stick to Newton thank you very much :)
That's nothing peculiar to ultra-relativistic particles, it follows
dirctly from classical electrodynamics AFAIR. Every accelerated charge
emits electromagnetic radiation. It's just that for interesting things
to do with the radiation you need sufficient high particle energies.
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Darren New schrieb:
> Michael Zier wrote:
>> Am Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:45:08 +0100 schrieb Invisible:
>>
>>> volition anyway; it's not like it requires a *force* to drive them or
>>> anything...
>>
>> Well, strictly spoken no. Newtons first law applies to electrons too...
>
> Uhhh.... No, not really. :-) Indeed, electrons aren't even guaranteed
> to move forward in time, let alone in a smooth straight line.
>
> Oh, I guess maybe Newton's laws apply as long as there are no virtual
> exchange particles around. And the electron doesn't spontaneously turn
> into a couple of photons and back.
>
Yes, they can do some weird stuff, especially in periodic potentials (a
crystal i.e.) like having negative effective masses and such.
But in Andy's Universe(TM)* they are just point-like objects having
mass, charge, position and impulse. And the latter two might fulfill
some dx*dp>=K relation.
* introduced for explaining single aspects of complex things
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On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:36:49 +0200, Michael Z <zie### [at] webde>
wrote:
>That's nothing peculiar to ultra-relativistic particles, it follows
>dirctly from classical electrodynamics AFAIR. Every accelerated charge
>emits electromagnetic radiation. It's just that for interesting things
>to do with the radiation you need sufficient high particle energies.
I'm struggling getting Vista working the way I want it. What chance do
you think I have with high energy particles? :)
When it breaks I'll fix it :)
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Stephen
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I'm just trying to figure out how Richard Stallman got involved in this
discussion. ;-)
Jim
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On 2 Apr 2008 12:45:53 -0500, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>I'm just trying to figure out how Richard Stallman got involved in this
>discussion. ;-)
>
>Jim
LOL
Woosh!
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Stephen
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On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:12:01 +0100, Stephen wrote:
> On 2 Apr 2008 12:45:53 -0500, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>
>>I'm just trying to figure out how Richard Stallman got involved in this
>>discussion. ;-)
>>
>>Jim
>
> LOL
> Woosh!
(For those who don't know, RMS = Richard M. Stallman - he's commonly just
referred to as RMS)
Jim
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On 2 Apr 2008 13:54:15 -0500, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:12:01 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>
>> On 2 Apr 2008 12:45:53 -0500, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>>
>>>I'm just trying to figure out how Richard Stallman got involved in this
>>>discussion. ;-)
>>>
>>>Jim
>>
>> LOL
>> Woosh!
>
>(For those who don't know, RMS = Richard M. Stallman - he's commonly just
>referred to as RMS)
>
>Jim
Ah! Fame
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Stephen
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On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:54:42 +0100, Stephen wrote:
> On 2 Apr 2008 13:54:15 -0500, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:12:01 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> On 2 Apr 2008 12:45:53 -0500, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I'm just trying to figure out how Richard Stallman got involved in
>>>>this discussion. ;-)
>>>>
>>>>Jim
>>>
>>> LOL
>>> Woosh!
>>
>>(For those who don't know, RMS = Richard M. Stallman - he's commonly
>>just referred to as RMS)
>>
>>Jim
>
> Ah! Fame
Yes. Now just looking for an ESR reference. ;-)
Jim
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