I had a meeting with my boss this morning and informed him that he can
expect a resignation letter in a couple of months.

It's something I've been planning for a while and now its the right time.
I'll be leaving a nice cushy job at the bank and joining a consulting and
training company.

It's going to be interesting, it's going to be fun.
I'm more than a little nervous.

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On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:16:28 +0200, "Gail Shaw"
<initialsurname@sentech sa dot com> wrote:

>I had a meeting with my boss this morning and informed him that he can
>expect a resignation letter in a couple of months.

Why give him so much notice? Is it a good idea?

>It's something I've been planning for a while and now its the right time.
>I'll be leaving a nice cushy job at the bank and joining a consulting and
>training company.

Welcome to the high pressure world but it's more fun than a safe job
IMO.

>It's going to be interesting, it's going to be fun.
>I'm more than a little nervous.
>
Listen to your fear :) 
Seriously, good luck in your new career and I wish you all the best.

What sort of consulting BTW?
-- 

Regards
     Stephen

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Gail Shaw wrote:
> I had a meeting with my boss this morning and informed him that he can
> expect a resignation letter in a couple of months.
> 
> It's something I've been planning for a while and now its the right time.
> I'll be leaving a nice cushy job at the bank and joining a consulting and
> training company.
> 
> It's going to be interesting, it's going to be fun.
> I'm more than a little nervous.
> 
> 
I don't remember you as fat. Unless I interpreted the picture with the 
girl and the elephant wrong.

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"andrel" <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
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> Gail Shaw wrote:
> > I had a meeting with my boss this morning and informed him that he can
> > expect a resignation letter in a couple of months.
> >
> > It's something I've been planning for a while and now its the right
time.
> > I'll be leaving a nice cushy job at the bank and joining a consulting
and
> > training company.
> >
> > It's going to be interesting, it's going to be fun.
> > I'm more than a little nervous.
> >
> >
> I don't remember you as fat. Unless I interpreted the picture with the
> girl and the elephant wrong.

Title refers to the old saying 'It ain't over til the fat lady sings'

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On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:33:42 +0100, andrel <a_l### [at] hotmailcom>
wrote:

>I don't remember you as fat. Unless I interpreted the picture with the 
>girl and the elephant wrong.

Ooo!

I assumed that it referred to Tristan and Isolde where the show's not
over until ...
-- 

Regards
     Stephen

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"Stephen" <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:16:28 +0200, "Gail Shaw"
> <initialsurname@sentech sa dot com> wrote:
>
> >I had a meeting with my boss this morning and informed him that he can
> >expect a resignation letter in a couple of months.
>
> Why give him so much notice? Is it a good idea?

He's one of the best bosses I've ever worked for. I have a great deal of
respect for him and I wanted to give him lots of advance warning.
It wasn't formal notice, just a friendly chat

> >It's something I've been planning for a while and now its the right time.
> >I'll be leaving a nice cushy job at the bank and joining a consulting and
> >training company.
>
> Welcome to the high pressure world but it's more fun than a safe job
> IMO.

Yup! That's what I'm hoping....
The company I'm joining is small and all the consultants are top experts in
their fields. No straight-from-university SAP consultants here.
www.xpertease.co.za

I've known their other SQL consultant for a few years. He taught me a lot of
what I know of SQL Server. It's going to be interesting working with him.

> >It's going to be interesting, it's going to be fun.
> >I'm more than a little nervous.
> >
> Listen to your fear :)
> Seriously, good luck in your new career and I wish you all the best.
>
> What sort of consulting BTW?

Assorted SQL-Server stuff. I also hear I'll be doing some Oracle from time
to time. Guess I need to polish up the (non-existant) Oracle skills
From system design to fire-fighting crises and everything in between. My
specialty is performance tuning, so a lot in that area.
SQL-related training, both the MS official courses and self-created courses.
I'll probably also be doing some sharepoint training from time to time,
because it's very popular.

What kind of consulting do you do?

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andrel wrote:

> I don't remember you as fat. Unless I interpreted the picture with the 
> girl and the elephant wrong.

1. Wow, you beat me to it!

2. OMG, you did it *way* better than what I had in mind! :-D

-- 
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*

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Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> andrel wrote:
> 
>> I don't remember you as fat. Unless I interpreted the picture with the 
>> girl and the elephant wrong.
> 
> 1. Wow, you beat me to it!
> 
> 2. OMG, you did it *way* better than what I had in mind! :-D
> 
That may be, but it still leaves to be deserved. 'Unless' is absolutely 
the wrong word to use here. It does not fit with the 'remember' in the 
sentence before. I only noticed the moment that I pressed 'send' :( .
'Apparently' would have been much better, I think.

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On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:49:20 +0200, "Gail Shaw"
<initialsurname@sentech sa dot com> wrote:


>He's one of the best bosses I've ever worked for. I have a great deal of
>respect for him and I wanted to give him lots of advance warning.
>It wasn't formal notice, just a friendly chat
>

That's ok then :) It's hard leaving someone you like in the lurch.


>> Welcome to the high pressure world but it's more fun than a safe job
>> IMO.
>
>Yup! That's what I'm hoping....
>The company I'm joining is small and all the consultants are top experts in
>their fields. 
>www.xpertease.co.za

Getting in early in a young company can lead to great things.

>No straight-from-university SAP consultants here.

LOL, SA is well known for them :)
(See below)

>I've known their other SQL consultant for a few years. He taught me a lot of
>what I know of SQL Server. It's going to be interesting working with him.
>
>> >It's going to be interesting, it's going to be fun.
>> >I'm more than a little nervous.
>> >
>> Listen to your fear :)
>> Seriously, good luck in your new career and I wish you all the best.
>>
>> What sort of consulting BTW?
>
>Assorted SQL-Server stuff. I also hear I'll be doing some Oracle from time
>to time. Guess I need to polish up the (non-existant) Oracle skills
>From system design to fire-fighting crises and everything in between. My
>specialty is performance tuning, so a lot in that area.

Oh! Assorted clever (NB not cleaver) stuff, then. It sounds
fascinating and a real challenge. I'm sure you will do well.

>SQL-related training, both the MS official courses and self-created courses.
>I'll probably also be doing some sharepoint training from time to time,
>because it's very popular.
>

That's funny, one of us leave education and another joins. It is a
strange world in some ways.

>What kind of consulting do you do?
>

SAP concultant, would you believe? 

Functional, I hasten to add and not a graduate to boot.
Actually I'm just an overpaid contractor, a migrant worker even. I
don't mean like in Soweto more like a Tinker or a Gypsy :) 
I hope you like travelling and meeting lots of different people. I do
and like that part of the job.
-- 

Regards
     Stephen

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On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:27:54 +0100, andrel <a_l### [at] hotmailcom>
wrote:

>That may be, but it still leaves to be deserved. 'Unless' is absolutely 
>the wrong word to use here. It does not fit with the 'remember' in the 
>sentence before. I only noticed the moment that I pressed 'send' :( .
>'Apparently' would have been much better, I think.

No! That makes it funny, it leaves an element of doubt. I'm sure Gail
expected smart arsed comments or she wouldn't have mentioned "The fat
lady" 
-- 

Regards
     Stephen

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Stephen wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:27:54 +0100, andrel <a_l### [at] hotmailcom>
> wrote:
> 
>> That may be, but it still leaves to be deserved. 'Unless' is absolutely 
>> the wrong word to use here. It does not fit with the 'remember' in the 
>> sentence before. I only noticed the moment that I pressed 'send' :( .
>> 'Apparently' would have been much better, I think.
> 
> No! That makes it funny, it leaves an element of doubt. 
Ok, what about 'Perhaps'?
> I'm sure Gail
> expected smart arsed comments or she wouldn't have mentioned "The fat
> lady" 
Yes, she is a big girl, she can handle it.

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"Orchid XP v7" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
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> andrel wrote:
>
> > I don't remember you as fat. Unless I interpreted the picture with the
> > girl and the elephant wrong.
>
> 1. Wow, you beat me to it!
>
> 2. OMG, you did it *way* better than what I had in mind! :-D

*sigh*

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"andrel" <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
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> Stephen wrote:

> > No! That makes it funny, it leaves an element of doubt.
> Ok, what about 'Perhaps'?

Probably conveys your meaning...

> > I'm sure Gail
> > expected smart arsed comments or she wouldn't have mentioned "The fat
> > lady"
> Yes, she is a big girl, she can handle it.
>

I contempated adding an explaination of the title, but decided not to.
Thought no one would be smart-ass about it.
I shouldn't under-estimate people....

*roll eyes*

*g*

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"Stephen" <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom> wrote in message
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> >Yup! That's what I'm hoping....
> >The company I'm joining is small and all the consultants are top experts
in
> >their fields.
> >www.xpertease.co.za
>
> Getting in early in a young company can lead to great things.

It's not a young company. They've been around for at least 5 years now.
They're intentionally small. They don't hire people unless they are really
good in their fields. I spoke with the MD last week. They've got work lined
up til november

> That's funny, one of us leave education and another joins. It is a
> strange world in some ways.

Yeah. Though I'll be doing adult education, which is very different from
school teaching.

> I hope you like travelling and meeting lots of different people. I do
> and like that part of the job.

Won't be too much long-distance travelling. Most of the SQL work in SA is
concentrated in the JHB/Pretoria area which is where I am. Not being stuck
in the same office for months on end does appeal.

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And lo on Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:16:28 -0000, Gail Shaw sa dot com>  
<"<initialsurname"@sentech> did spake, saying:

> It's going to be interesting, it's going to be fun.
> I'm more than a little nervous.

I'm sure you'll have fun, it sounds like a well-setup company full of  
smart people so you'll fit in nicely.

-- 
Phil Cook

--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com

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On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:23:05 +0200, "Gail Shaw"
<initialsurname@sentech sa dot com> wrote:

>
>"Stephen" <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom> wrote in message
>news:447ou39t24rkl8nalbii9hf5eokp59c6bu@4ax.com...
>
>> Getting in early in a young company can lead to great things.
>
>It's not a young company. They've been around for at least 5 years now.
>They're intentionally small. They don't hire people unless they are really
>good in their fields. I spoke with the MD last week. They've got work lined
>up til november
>

Good for you, getting the possition

>> That's funny, one of us leave education and another joins. It is a
>> strange world in some ways.
>
>Yeah. Though I'll be doing adult education, which is very different from
>school teaching.
>

It sure is, although I've had to give PC 101 courses in the middle of
SAP courses <gulp!>

>> I hope you like travelling and meeting lots of different people. I do
>> and like that part of the job.
>
>Won't be too much long-distance travelling. Most of the SQL work in SA is
>concentrated in the JHB/Pretoria area which is where I am. 

Again that is good.

>Not being stuck
>in the same office for months on end does appeal.
>
That's what I like although on this contract. I'm working at home with
a couple of days travel a week.
It sounds like you've got a good job lined up. Is there any chance
that you will be offered a better package to stay at your present job
and would you take it?
-- 

Regards
     Stephen

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On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:45:04 +0200, "Gail Shaw"
<initialsurname@sentech sa dot com> wrote:

>
>I contempated adding an explaination of the title, but decided not to.
>Thought no one would be smart-ass about it.
>I shouldn't under-estimate people....
>
>*roll eyes*
>
>*g*
>
Come on! You must have known that you were asking for comments?
Surely? 
:-)
-- 

Regards
     Stephen

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"Stephen" <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom> wrote in message
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> It sounds like you've got a good job lined up. Is there any chance
> that you will be offered a better package to stay at your present job
> and would you take it?

The move's not for money. I'm tired of the same grind every day. Same
systems, same problems, different day.
It's also not a whim of the moment decision. My initial discussions with
Xpertease was almost a year ago

My boss knows me well enough to know that money doesn't motivate me. He
probably won't try.
What he did try was to tempt me into staying by telling me the roadmap for
the IT dept. It was interesting, but not interesting enough.

The head of IT might, when he gets the formal letter, but then the head of
IT doesn't know me from a bar of soap.

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On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:17:18 +0200, "Gail Shaw"
<initialsurname@sentech sa dot com> wrote:

>
>The move's not for money. I'm tired of the same grind every day. Same
>systems, same problems, different day.

I know what you mean. After 16 years working offshore even the
helicopter ride became a chore. But the money is an added bounus? :)

>It's also not a whim of the moment decision. My initial discussions with
>Xpertease was almost a year ago
>
>My boss knows me well enough to know that money doesn't motivate me. He
>probably won't try.
>What he did try was to tempt me into staying by telling me the roadmap for
>the IT dept. It was interesting, but not interesting enough.
>

Ah! Well, he did his best. I suppose it is nice to be appreciated.

>The head of IT might, when he gets the formal letter, but then the head of
>IT doesn't know me from a bar of soap.
>
LOL I've not heard that form of the expression. Here it is "He
wouldn't know me from Adam" or maybe "Eve". I don't know about using
Eve it doesn't sound right.
"A bar of soap" Google-ing it brings up a lot of Australian sites. 
Hmm! :)

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     Stephen

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Gail Shaw wrote:
> "andrel" <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
> news:47E### [at] hotmailcom...
>> Stephen wrote:
> 
>>> No! That makes it funny, it leaves an element of doubt.
>> Ok, what about 'Perhaps'?
> 
> Probably conveys your meaning...

yes. But it takes away some of the doubt that Stephen preferred.

> 
>>> I'm sure Gail
>>> expected smart arsed comments or she wouldn't have mentioned "The fat
>>> lady"
>> Yes, she is a big girl, she can handle it.
>>
> 
> I contempated adding an explaination of the title, but decided not to.

I understood where the title came from, that did not stop me though.

> Thought no one would be smart-ass about it.

Huh, we are in p.o-t as far as I know.

> I shouldn't under-estimate people....

Indeed, I just checked your webpage to see if I could add to your 
embarrassment. Not much ammunition for this thread I am afraid. Not even 
a recent picture of your new glasses. BTW it does not look good in IE6 
nor in Firefox, for different reasons.


> 
> *roll eyes*
> 
> *g*
> 
> 
Oh and before I forget, I hope your next job will be as interesting as 
it sounds, or at least keeps you interested for some years to come.

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"andrel" <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
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>
> Indeed, I just checked your webpage to see if I could add to your
> embarrassment. Not much ammunition for this thread I am afraid. Not even
> a recent picture of your new glasses. BTW it does not look good in IE6
> nor in Firefox, for different reasons.
>

The site needs a complete and total rewrite. It was designed for IE4 and
netscape 4.
One day....
Maybe I should just take the whole site down....

> Oh and before I forget, I hope your next job will be as interesting as
> it sounds, or at least keeps you interested for some years to come.

Thanks. Hope so too...

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What type of role will you be taking in the new company?

Jim

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"Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message
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> What type of role will you be taking in the new company?
>

Consulting. As I mentioned to Stephan, I'll mostly be doing various forms of
SQL Server-related work as a consultant. Bit of crisis fixing, bit of
design. Will be doing a little bit of outsource work, for companies that
can't find, can't afford or don't need a full time resource.
Going to be doing training, SQL Server mostly, probably a spattering of
other products as the demand arises. Will probably be speaking at
conferences and the like *shudder*

All in all, doing a bit of everything.

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On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:46:17 +0200, Gail Shaw wrote:

> "Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message
> news:47eed25f$1@news.povray.org...
>> What type of role will you be taking in the new company?
>>
>>
> Consulting. As I mentioned to Stephan, I'll mostly be doing various
> forms of SQL Server-related work as a consultant. Bit of crisis fixing,
> bit of design. Will be doing a little bit of outsource work, for
> companies that can't find, can't afford or don't need a full time
> resource. Going to be doing training, SQL Server mostly, probably a
> spattering of other products as the demand arises. Will probably be
> speaking at conferences and the like *shudder*
> 
> All in all, doing a bit of everything.

Congrats!  Sounds like a good step forward - and don't worry about 
speaking at conferences and whatnot - get a copresenter the first few 
times.  That really helps a lot.

Jim

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"Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message
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>
> Congrats!  Sounds like a good step forward - and don't worry about
> speaking at conferences and whatnot - get a copresenter the first few
> times.  That really helps a lot.

Hehe. Probably the first few times I will be the co-presenter. At least, I
hope so...

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Gail Shaw wrote:
> "Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message
> news:47efe6e0$1@news.povray.org...
>> Congrats!  Sounds like a good step forward - and don't worry about
>> speaking at conferences and whatnot - get a copresenter the first few
>> times.  That really helps a lot.
> 
> Hehe. Probably the first few times I will be the co-presenter. At least, I
> hope so...
> 
What is the problem in speaking at conferences? Done that a lot, never 
really had a problem with it. Sure, a bit of stage fright just before 
the session, but that is normal, I guess. Definitely nothing to be 
scared about years in advance as a great (possibly virtual) monster 
looming at the horizon.

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On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:35:53 +0200, Gail Shaw wrote:

> "Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message
> news:47efe6e0$1@news.povray.org...
>>
>> Congrats!  Sounds like a good step forward - and don't worry about
>> speaking at conferences and whatnot - get a copresenter the first few
>> times.  That really helps a lot.
> 
> Hehe. Probably the first few times I will be the co-presenter. At least,
> I hope so...

I should have said "with an experienced presenter" - that makes a 
difference as well. :-)

Jim

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> What is the problem in speaking at conferences? Done that a lot, never
> really had a problem with it. Sure, a bit of stage fright just before
> the session, but that is normal, I guess. Definitely nothing to be
> scared about years in advance as a great (possibly virtual) monster
> looming at the horizon.

Just nerves. I haven't done public speaking since high school days. Plus the
people in the audience will be knowledgable about the field (unlike public
speaking) and some may know more than I do.
I'm not scared or anything. More a bit intimidated.

Depending how things go, first one might be late this year

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Gail Shaw wrote:
> "andrel" <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
> news:47E### [at] hotmailcom...
> 
>> What is the problem in speaking at conferences? Done that a lot, never
>> really had a problem with it. Sure, a bit of stage fright just before
>> the session, but that is normal, I guess. Definitely nothing to be
>> scared about years in advance as a great (possibly virtual) monster
>> looming at the horizon.
> 
> Just nerves. I haven't done public speaking since high school days. Plus the
> people in the audience will be knowledgable about the field (unlike public
> speaking) and some may know more than I do.
> I'm not scared or anything. More a bit intimidated.
>
There is a simple rule: when you are up there, you know more about the 
subject than anybody in the audience. Otherwise you wouldn't be there. 
Simple as that.
Even if someone gives you a hard time, people will comfort you later. 
Because that is not the objective. Anyone who does that looses respect 
from the community.

> Depending how things go, first one might be late this year
> 
Good, and remember, rehearse with someone before you go. People seem to 
think they can do without. Possibly if you are natural gifted. After 20 
times. Rehearsals are also good for streamlining your slides, not too 
little, not too much. But you knew that ;)

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On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:10:23 +0200, andrel <a_l### [at] hotmailcom>
wrote:

>
>Good, and remember, rehearse with someone before you go.

But not up to the last minute, go down to the dojo and get thrown
around a bit beforehand :)
Seriously don't over rehearse, it takes the edge off. Have you ever
spoken in public? My advice is to have a few written notes to keep you
on track and speak to someone in the audience, preferably a colleague
in the know. 
But then once I throw the "speaking in public switch" I have in my
head, I'm another person (the one advantage of having multiple
personality disorder). :-)
-- 

Regards
     Stephen

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Stephen wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:10:23 +0200, andrel <a_l### [at] hotmailcom>
> wrote:
> 
>> Good, and remember, rehearse with someone before you go.
> 
> But not up to the last minute, go down to the dojo and get thrown
> around a bit beforehand :)
I'd say once, a week beforehand and if you have to change a lot and you 
have not much experience possibly one more time.
> Seriously don't over rehearse, it takes the edge off. Have you ever
> spoken in public? My advice is to have a few written notes to keep you
> on track and speak to someone in the audience, preferably a colleague
> in the know. 
My advice would be to find out what you're best way is. I don't use 
notes at all (I used to have them, but in practice I never looked at 
them, so why bother?). My slides should provide all the guidance I need. 
Most people have indeed short notes, some have key sentences on paper, 
and some don't feel comfortable if they don't have the entire thing in 
front of them. If you don't read them aloud but have them in case you 
loose track that is OK.
> But then once I throw the "speaking in public switch" I have in my
> head, I'm another person (the one advantage of having multiple
> personality disorder). :-)
yeah, something like that. One shy and quit one for daily use, a 
talkative one for public occasions and an evil one for p.o-t to name a few.

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On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 23:36:59 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:10:23 +0200, andrel <a_l### [at] hotmailcom>
> wrote:
> 
> 
>>Good, and remember, rehearse with someone before you go.
> 
> But not up to the last minute, go down to the dojo and get thrown around
> a bit beforehand :)
> Seriously don't over rehearse, it takes the edge off. Have you ever
> spoken in public? My advice is to have a few written notes to keep you
> on track and speak to someone in the audience, preferably a colleague in
> the know.
> But then once I throw the "speaking in public switch" I have in my head,
> I'm another person (the one advantage of having multiple personality
> disorder). :-)

I find that rehearsing tends to make my presentations sound over-prepared 
- I tend to just wing it (which surprises a lot of people who've heard me 
present).  I think it comes from being very comfortable with the topic 
being presented - if you're good enough with it that you can talk about 
it off-the-cuff, that seems to make for the best presentations.

Jim

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> I find that rehearsing tends to make my presentations sound over-prepared 

Rehearsing *different presentations* works well, tho. Simply practice 
speaking in general, and the edge comes off. You already know how to 
talk. This isn't any different.

And remember, deep down, nobody really cares. :-)

-- 
   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
     "That's pretty. Where's that?"
          "It's the Age of Channelwood."
     "We should go there on vacation some time."

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On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:59:43 -0700, Darren New wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> I find that rehearsing tends to make my presentations sound
>> over-prepared
> 
> Rehearsing *different presentations* works well, tho. Simply practice
> speaking in general, and the edge comes off. You already know how to
> talk. This isn't any different.

Yes, this is most true.  The thing that has been suggested to me a few 
times is to go over ideas for what you want to say - sometimes that helps 
with organization of your thoughts, even if it's not in "presentation 
order".  I sometimes will do this as I'm driving somewhere (but I do this 
not only for presentations but even for phone conversations where the 
topic might lead to disagreements - I do like to be prepared with counter-
points).

> And remember, deep down, nobody really cares. :-)

And this is also true. :-)

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"Stephen" <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:10:23 +0200, andrel <a_l### [at] hotmailcom>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Good, and remember, rehearse with someone before you go.
>
> But not up to the last minute, go down to the dojo and get thrown
> around a bit beforehand :)

Hehe

> Seriously don't over rehearse, it takes the edge off. Have you ever
> spoken in public? My advice is to have a few written notes to keep you
> on track and speak to someone in the audience, preferably a colleague
> in the know.

I did public speaking back in highschool, but that was 15 years of so ago
I've done ad-hoc presentations to colleagues in recent months. They haven't
gone too badly, but then they're a captive audience.
Biggest thing I've notices is that I start waffling, then run out of things
to say mid sentence. Probably cause I don't have notes, am using other
people's slide shows and have not gone over what I'm going to say.

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On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 19:01:46 +0200, "Gail Shaw" <initialsurname@sentech
sa dot com> wrote:



I bet people think I was joking. Unless you are the one who throws
everyone else about :) Even non contact sports involve some tripping
:)



>I did public speaking back in highschool, but that was 15 years of so ago
>I've done ad-hoc presentations to colleagues in recent months. They haven't
>gone too badly, but then they're a captive audience.
>Biggest thing I've notices is that I start waffling, then run out of things
>to say mid sentence. Probably cause I don't have notes, am using other
>people's slide shows and have not gone over what I'm going to say.
>
The fact that you have spoken to people and you're not screaming at
the thought makes it easier. My rule is if I don't know something I
try to stop myself from waffling and a good ploy is to say something
like. "I can't answer you just now but I will take a note of it and
get back to you" Then if possible write it up on a whiteboard.
Panache! Respect! Sister! :) If I do waffle I do it in my broadest
Scots accent so no one can understand me. I got that idea in Croatia
from a project manager who spoke so broadly when he got excited no one
could understand him. I had to translate :) 
-- 

Regards
     Stephen

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