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From: St 
Subject: How *annoying* is this?
Date: 17 Mar 2008 16:12:31
Message: <47dedebf$1@news.povray.org>
Web pages that refuse the 'back' button.

  http://scienceblogs.com/grrlscientist/2007/01/moonlit_beach.php

   If you're on Google Images (whatever) and actually looking through 
interesting pics, when you come across a site that uses this, it's so 
frustrating.

    I know it's to keep you on the website, but if you were in a highstreet 
shop and the manager locked the door to stop you from leaving, the police 
would be involved soonish I think.

     Yeah, I know, bad example, but... Bad netiquette too.

      ~Steve~


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From: St 
Subject: Re: How *annoying* is this?
Date: 17 Mar 2008 16:17:03
Message: <47dedfcf$1@news.povray.org>
Ha, dang, direct link. Ok, just put in GI 'moonlit beach' - top row, 5th 
entry. Then go back...

   ~Steve~


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From: Gail Shaw
Subject: Re: How *annoying* is this?
Date: 17 Mar 2008 16:19:40
Message: <47dee06c@news.povray.org>
"St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote in message news:47dedebf$1@news.povray.org...
> Web pages that refuse the 'back' button.
>
>   http://scienceblogs.com/grrlscientist/2007/01/moonlit_beach.php

Back button seems to be working for me. Firefox 2.

What behaviour are  you seeing?


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From: Gail Shaw
Subject: Re: How *annoying* is this?
Date: 17 Mar 2008 16:23:18
Message: <47dee146@news.povray.org>
"St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote in message news:47dedfcf$1@news.povray.org...
> Ha, dang, direct link. Ok, just put in GI 'moonlit beach' - top row, 5th
> entry. Then go back...
>

Ah, it's not that the back button's disabled. What's happening is that the
site has some javascript to detect if it is in a frame (like the google
images frame) and reload to a full page if it is. So when you hit back,
you're going back to the framed site, which javascript then takes you out of
back to the full screen site.

Easy fix. In forefox, click the arrow next to the back button and select the
google images page (2 down). Ie probably similar.

It's go nothing to do with keeping you on the page, it's to prevent the site
from appearing inside someone else's frames (which is very irritating. Yahoo
used to be a big offender)


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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: How *annoying* is this?
Date: 17 Mar 2008 16:37:01
Message: <47dee47d@news.povray.org>
that's why I prefer tabbed browsing rather than the traditional browsing 
mode...


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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: How *annoying* is this?
Date: 17 Mar 2008 16:42:22
Message: <47dee5be$1@news.povray.org>
St. escribió:
> Ha, dang, direct link. Ok, just put in GI 'moonlit beach' - top row, 5th 
> entry. Then go back...
> 

Not done in purpose. Lots of sites have that kind of stupid things. For 
example, all sites that "redirect" you to another using a meta refresh 
tag, instead of a proper HTTP redirect. If you click back, you end in 
the redirection page, which kicks you back to the page you were in.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta_refresh
Second paragraph.


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From: St 
Subject: Re: How *annoying* is this?
Date: 17 Mar 2008 16:45:39
Message: <47dee683$1@news.povray.org>
"Gail Shaw" <initialsurname@sentech sa dot com> wrote in message 
news:47dee06c@news.povray.org...
>
> "St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote in message news:47dedebf$1@news.povray.org...
>> Web pages that refuse the 'back' button.
>>
>>   http://scienceblogs.com/grrlscientist/2007/01/moonlit_beach.php
>
> Back button seems to be working for me. Firefox 2.
>
> What behaviour are  you seeing?

    I can't get off the page unless I click 5 times 'really' fast on the 
back button in IE6 (just discovered that in angry mode! Grr!)  :)

    If I do it normally, (ie, slow), I would never get off the page. I don't 
know, to me it's really weird, but your explanation to my original post 
sounds likely and probable.

      Is there no other way around using that code for a website with 
frames? BTW, to me frames always = tables. What am I missing with this?

      ~Steve~


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From: St 
Subject: Re: How *annoying* is this?
Date: 17 Mar 2008 16:59:09
Message: <47dee9ad$1@news.povray.org>
"nemesis" <nam### [at] nospamgmailcom> wrote in message 
news:47dee47d@news.povray.org...
> that's why I prefer tabbed browsing rather than the traditional browsing 
> mode...

 Well yes, but seriously, I have real problems trying anything other than 
I'm used to that works well 'normally' for me. And then you get this. Don't 
get me wrong, I knew about this years ago, and even have some code lying 
around here somewhere (I think, I used to have it), that could do it for my 
works website, but I'd never want that behaviour.

   And yes, I've always had FF loaded up and ready to go, but never use it. 
(Lightning strikes Steve from above, and Steve MUST try harder!)  ;)

    </Break the grip!>   ;)

     ~Steve~


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From: Gail Shaw
Subject: Re: How *annoying* is this?
Date: 17 Mar 2008 16:59:46
Message: <47dee9d2@news.povray.org>
"St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote in message news:47dee683$1@news.povray.org...

>     I can't get off the page unless I click 5 times 'really' fast on the
> back button in IE6 (just discovered that in angry mode! Grr!)  :)

No need. There's a small arrow next to the back button in IE 6 (on the right
side in my browser). Click that and you'll get a drop down list of your
browsing history. Select the second entry down (which should read something
about google images). No screen shot. Is past my bed time already.

>       Is there no other way around using that code for a website with
> frames? BTW, to me frames always = tables. What am I missing with this?
>

Frames != tables. Tables are a layout tool (an abused one). Frames are used
to create sub 'windows' within one site

Some years ago there was a rash of people loading other people's content in
their own frames, making it look as if they were the author of the content.
Many website designers (myself included) have code to ensure that their site
is not loaded into other people's frames


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From: Orchid XP v7
Subject: Re: How *annoying* is this?
Date: 17 Mar 2008 17:14:25
Message: <47deed41$1@news.povray.org>
nemesis wrote:
> that's why I prefer tabbed browsing rather than the traditional browsing 
> mode...

...which leads us nicely onto "pages that use JavaScript for links".

You know, like on Zazzle, where you open a product in another tab, and 
the *original* tab also changes location, completely negating the entire 
*point* of tabbed browsing? >_<

-- 
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*


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