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New colleague (worked 6 months in a bigger firm, before).
We use Thunderbird as mail client.
Yesterday :
she : how do I add a signature to my mails ?
me : go there (showing the dialog), and specify a text file which contains your
signature
Today :
she : it doesn't work, the signature
me : ?
she : I've made my signature in a Word file and it just shows two bars
me : (mentally slapping forehead)
Fabien.
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Fa3ien <fab### [at] yourshoes skynetbe> wrote:
> New colleague (worked 6 months in a bigger firm, before).
> We use Thunderbird as mail client.
>
> Yesterday :
> she : how do I add a signature to my mails ?
> me : go there (showing the dialog), and specify a text file which contains your
signature
>
> Today :
> she : it doesn't work, the signature
> me : ?
> she : I've made my signature in a Word file and it just shows two bars
> me : (mentally slapping forehead)
>
> Fabien.
Although it may SEEM that the solution to many an I.T. problem is to bring the
corporeal existence of the user to an abrupt and unceremonious conclusion,
please allow me to assure you that the laws of most countries mandate
quantities of related paperwork that make this approach impractical. (Does
anyone still wonder why my McGruff the Crime Dog "Users are Losers" T-shirt is
one of my most cherished material possessions?)
Best Regards,
(and deep commiseration)
Mike C.
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Mike the Elder wrote:
>
> Although it may SEEM that the solution to many an I.T. problem is to bring the
> corporeal existence of the user to an abrupt and unceremonious conclusion,
> please allow me to assure you that the laws of most countries mandate
> quantities of related paperwork that make this approach impractical. (Does
> anyone still wonder why my McGruff the Crime Dog "Users are Losers" T-shirt is
> one of my most cherished material possessions?)
>
> Best Regards,
> (and deep commiseration)
>
> Mike C.
>
... but I assume (and hope) that use of a LART is still legally
acceptable :-)
John
--
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world's shortest speech. He said, "I will be so brief I am already
finished," then he sat down.
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And lo on Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:40:06 -0000, Fa3ien
<fab### [at] yourshoesskynetbe> did spake, saying:
> New colleague (worked 6 months in a bigger firm, before).
> We use Thunderbird as mail client.
>
> Yesterday :
> she : how do I add a signature to my mails ?
> me : go there (showing the dialog), and specify a text file which
> contains your signature
>
> Today :
> she : it doesn't work, the signature
> me : ?
> she : I've made my signature in a Word file and it just shows two bars
> me : (mentally slapping forehead)
You mean Thunderbird doesn't allow you to create a signature directly? In
Opera I just pull up the account and click the outgoing tab to be able to
write one directly... heck you can even do that in Outlook.
Then again I suppose it might mean you can rotate thorugh a stack of
different signatues automatically.
--
Phil Cook
--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com
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Phil Cook wrote:
> You mean Thunderbird doesn't allow you to create a signature directly?
Indeed. It's quite annoying, actually.
Then again, I guess they'd have to invent a whole text editing component
to allow you to do that. Oh, wait...
--
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Phil Cook a écrit :
> And lo on Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:40:06 -0000, Fa3ien
> <fab### [at] yourshoesskynetbe> did spake, saying:
>
>> New colleague (worked 6 months in a bigger firm, before).
>> We use Thunderbird as mail client.
>>
>> Yesterday :
>> she : how do I add a signature to my mails ?
>> me : go there (showing the dialog), and specify a text file which
>> contains your signature
>>
>> Today :
>> she : it doesn't work, the signature
>> me : ?
>> she : I've made my signature in a Word file and it just shows two bars
>> me : (mentally slapping forehead)
>
> You mean Thunderbird doesn't allow you to create a signature directly?
No, it doesn't. Not very smart, indeed.
BTW, the little story wasn't about "how stupid are users" but rather how
I, inconsciously, thought that "text file" was equal to "ascii" for
anyone (which is natural and obvious for geeks). I can't say she's wrong
if she thinks "text file" == ".doc", of course.
> Then again I suppose it might mean you can rotate thorugh a stack of
> different signatues automatically.
Neither.
Fabien.
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And lo on Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:51:51 -0000, Fa3ien
<fab### [at] yourshoesskynetbe> did spake, saying:
> Phil Cook a écrit :
>> And lo on Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:40:06 -0000, Fa3ien
>> <fab### [at] yourshoesskynetbe> did spake, saying:
>>
>>> New colleague (worked 6 months in a bigger firm, before).
>>> We use Thunderbird as mail client.
>>>
>>> Yesterday :
>>> she : how do I add a signature to my mails ?
>>> me : go there (showing the dialog), and specify a text file which
>>> contains your signature
>>>
>>> Today :
>>> she : it doesn't work, the signature
>>> me : ?
>>> she : I've made my signature in a Word file and it just shows two bars
>>> me : (mentally slapping forehead)
>> You mean Thunderbird doesn't allow you to create a signature directly?
>
> No, it doesn't. Not very smart, indeed.
>
> BTW, the little story wasn't about "how stupid are users" but rather how
> I, inconsciously, thought that "text file" was equal to "ascii" for
> anyone (which is natural and obvious for geeks). I can't say she's wrong
> if she thinks "text file" == ".doc", of course.
Oh no I got that, if you ask any non-geek to write something the first
thing they'll reach for is Word (or equivalent). I was just surprised that
you couldn't type a signature directly into Thunderbird. Seems a rather
obvious missing feature.
>> Then again I suppose it might mean you can rotate thorugh a stack of
>> different signatues automatically.
>
> Neither.
Well I expect someone here could knock out a TCL/Haskell/Perl script to
swap text files around or read a line out of a master document to insert
into the signature file.
--
Phil Cook
--
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http://flipc.blogspot.com
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"Fa3ien" <fab### [at] yourshoesskynetbe> a écrit dans le message de news:
47d93f4d$1@news.povray.org...
> BTW, the little story wasn't about "how stupid are users" but rather how
> I, inconsciously, thought that "text file" was equal to "ascii" for
> anyone (which is natural and obvious for geeks). I can't say she's wrong
> if she thinks "text file" == ".doc", of course.
Also, if she was coming from a corporate environment, it's quite possible
that she was using Word as an email editor, including Word's built-in
signature editor.
G.
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Indeed. As much as I love Thunderbird, Firefox, Inkscape and other
open-source projects, they are mainly by geeks to geeks. There's no
excuse for a lack of builtin signature textbox editor.
BTW, one recent issue with the forthcoming inkscape 0.46 has been that
the Windows version wasn't printing. Yep, no print functionality for
the Windows version. And it's not a problem with the project itself,
which is Linux geared and where printing works fine, but just to the
Windows port, which is not maintained by the core developers, but by
volunteers commited to the platform. Despite the port being obviously
more popular than the original, just for the sheer amount of users.
Anyway, it's not really a problem with inkscape per se, but with one of
its main dependencies, cairo.
Geeks-to-geeks. Should be
geeks-to-idiots-who-don't-know-difference-between-formatting-and-writting.
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nemesis escribió:
> Indeed. As much as I love Thunderbird, Firefox, Inkscape and other
> open-source projects, they are mainly by geeks to geeks. There's no
> excuse for a lack of builtin signature textbox editor.
meh, thunderbird sucks. Even Outlook Express had way better newsgroup
handling. Thunderbird doesn't keep a cache at all. You have two options:
get messages deleted from the cache shortly after you read them, or
download ALL the damned messages of the newsgroup. You can't make it
cache what you already saw and only what you already saw.
Also, it has a horrible way to handle messages with attachments. It
seems to first download the whole message, attachments included. Shows
only text. Then for each attachment present, it re-downloads the whole
message again...
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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> meh, thunderbird sucks. Even Outlook Express had way better newsgroup
> handling. Thunderbird doesn't keep a cache at all. You have two options:
> get messages deleted from the cache shortly after you read them, or
> download ALL the damned messages of the newsgroup. You can't make it
> cache what you already saw and only what you already saw.
>
> Also, it has a horrible way to handle messages with attachments. It
> seems to first download the whole message, attachments included. Shows
> only text. Then for each attachment present, it re-downloads the whole
> message again...
It does, however, have a number of useful features.
It wraps text *in the compose window*, so you can see what it will look
like when posted. Text written between stars comes out in bold.
Superscripts work. [and other misc features] It has [some] emoticons.
It's doesn't top-post.
OTOH, the compose editor is rather buggy, especially regarding quoted
text. (Especially if it's in HTML mode!) And you have to utter voodoo
enchantments to make the spell checker work properly.
And how could anyone forget - IT WON'T THREAD MESSAGES CORRECTLY!
--
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Invisible wrote:
> And how could anyone forget - IT WON'T THREAD MESSAGES CORRECTLY!
<Warp> You should demand your money back. </Warp>
;-)
--
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"That's pretty. Where's that?"
"It's the Age of Channelwood."
"We should go there on vacation some time."
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Darren New wrote:
> </Warp>
"End Warp"?
This concept appeals to me...
> ;-)
...indeed.
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Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> Darren New wrote:
>
>> </Warp>
>
> "End Warp"?
It means you're now operating like a standard User :o
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Gilles Tran a écrit :
> "Fa3ien" <fab### [at] yourshoesskynetbe> a écrit dans le message de news:
> 47d93f4d$1@news.povray.org...
>> BTW, the little story wasn't about "how stupid are users" but rather how
>> I, inconsciously, thought that "text file" was equal to "ascii" for
>> anyone (which is natural and obvious for geeks). I can't say she's wrong
>> if she thinks "text file" == ".doc", of course.
>
> Also, if she was coming from a corporate environment, it's quite possible
> that she was using Word as an email editor, including Word's built-in
> signature editor.
They do very surprising things, in corporate environments !
In fact, people in geek-less environments tend to do very surprising things,
it seems.
Most architectural firms around here uses PhotoShop (the free version, which
comes on a CD-R) to crop and resize Jpegs...
I'm somewhat distorted, because 1) I've never worked in another place than
my current one, and 2) the local geek, that's me !
latest news :
Yesterday, I've discovered that, although she wrote a thesis and numerous
wordprocessing stuff, as a student and during her first work experience,
she didn't knew about "search and replace" feature. Ah, reality...
(it seems that, today, she discovered the TAB key,...)
Fabien.
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Invisible a écrit :
> It does, however, have a number of useful features.
>
> It wraps text *in the compose window*, so you can see what it will look
> like when posted. Text written between stars comes out in bold.
> Superscripts work. [and other misc features] It has [some] emoticons.
> It's doesn't top-post.
For myself, TB's "killer" feature, might it seem ridiculous, is "edit as new mail",
which can be performed on mail you sent or received; saves a lot of dirty
copy-paste when I send almost-the-same-mail-with-two-words-changed.
Fabien.
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Fa3ien escribió:
> (it seems that, today, she discovered the TAB key,...)
And yesterday I discovered a few shortcuts I didn't know. F4 opens a
dropdown menu (I knew this one, but hadn't used it for a long while). In
CHM help viewer, F6 changes focus between the sidebar (with search,
contents, etc) and the actual content. In Firefox, Ctrl + and Ctrl - not
only change font size, but also change between full and "fit to screen"
when you're viewing a big image directly. Ctrl-T on mIRC changes focus
to the list of channels (treeview).
Easy method for finding all this. I unplugged my mouse for an hour. You
should try it with your colleague just to have some fun >:)
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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> F4 opens a dropdown menu.
So it *is* possible?! I *knew* it...
Why is this stuff not written down anywhere?
> Easy method for finding all this. I unplugged my mouse for an hour. You
> should try it with your colleague just to have some fun >:)
I spent a day trying to set up this new Dell PC. However, it has no PS/2
ports, so my KVM switch wouldn't work. The guy watching me thought it
was terribly amusing each time I tried to use the PS/2 keyboard to
control it, instead of the USB one sat beside me. GRRR!
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Invisible escribió:
> Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
>
>> F4 opens a dropdown menu.
>
> So it *is* possible?! I *knew* it...
Try it in Windows Explorer. There it doesn't matter what GUI element is
focused, always works.
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On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:44:23 +0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
>
>> F4 opens a dropdown menu.
>
>So it *is* possible?! I *knew* it...
>
>Why is this stuff not written down anywhere?
Try http://support.microsoft.com/kb/126449
Regards
Stephen
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Stephen escribió:
> On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:44:23 +0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>
>> Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
>>
>>> F4 opens a dropdown menu.
>> So it *is* possible?! I *knew* it...
>>
>> Why is this stuff not written down anywhere?
>
> Try http://support.microsoft.com/kb/126449
Ooh thanks. A few I didn't know.
Alt hyphen to open the system menu of an MDI child window! I'll need
that on mIRC :) And Paint Shop Pro. Few programs use MDI anymore...
"ALT+F6: Switch between multiple windows in the same program." I don't
see an immediate use for that, but interesting.
Whoa, asterisk on a treeview expands recursively! I wonder if that is
only on Explorer or it works on any treeview... Also, don't f***ing try
this on C:\ :D
"SHIFT+Windows Logo+M: Undo minimize all" Ahaa! So *that* is how you
undo it!
"CTRL+Windows Logo+TAB: Moves focus from Start, to the Quick Launch
toolbar, to the system tray". Works only if the "focused window" is the
taskbar, and I just 'Tab' works too, and cycles through the taskbar
buttons as well, so more useful.
"Windows Logo+TAB: Cycle through taskbar buttons" I had read of that
one, but didn't remember.
*unplugs mouse again*
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On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:40:17 -0200, Nicolas Alvarez
<nic### [at] gmailisthebestcom> wrote:
>
>Ooh thanks. A few I didn't know.
Tey are not all correct I found.
>Alt hyphen to open the system menu of an MDI child window! I'll need
>that on mIRC :) And Paint Shop Pro. Few programs use MDI anymore...
>
>"ALT+F6: Switch between multiple windows in the same program." I don't
>see an immediate use for that, but interesting.
Ctrl +F6 for Word and Excel in vista as wll I find
We are always learning unless we are dead :)
Regards
Stephen
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>> Ooh thanks. A few I didn't know.
>
> Tey are not all correct I found.
It says at the bottom "Applies to Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows ME".
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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> Ooh thanks. A few I didn't know.
>
> *unplugs mouse again*
I just want to find the key combination that moves the mouse pointer
around...
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Invisible escribió:
> Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
>
>> Ooh thanks. A few I didn't know.
>>
>> *unplugs mouse again*
>
> I just want to find the key combination that moves the mouse pointer
> around...
Control panel, Accessibility options, Mouse, Enable MouseKeys.
You can also enable it with: left Alt + left Shift + Numlock (shortcut
quite designed so you *can't* activate it in accident!).
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"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> a écrit dans le message de news:
47daa6ff$1@news.povray.org...
> I just want to find the key combination that moves the mouse pointer
> around...
For up-to-date keyboard shortcuts, just look in the Windows Help (should be
in the Startup menu) and search for, well, I won't tell you so that you'll
have to use your brain and figure something out by yourself which may be a
good thing eventually to prevent Alzheimer's, but the lists of keyboard
shortcuts are there.
.
G.
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"Gilles Tran" <gil### [at] agroparistechfr> wrote in message
news:47daadc4$1@news.povray.org...
> "Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> a écrit dans le message de news:
> 47daa6ff$1@news.povray.org...
>
>> I just want to find the key combination that moves the mouse pointer
>> around...
>
> For up-to-date keyboard shortcuts, just look in the Windows Help (should
> be in the Startup menu) and search for, well, I won't tell you so that
> you'll have to use your brain and figure something out by yourself which
> may be a good thing eventually to prevent Alzheimer's, but the lists of
> keyboard shortcuts are there.
LOL! Heh, best one of the day. :)
~Steve~
> .
> G.
>
> --
> *****************************
> http://www.oyonale.com
> *****************************
> - Graphic experiments
> - POV-Ray, Cinema 4D and Poser computer images
> - Posters
>
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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> Whoa, asterisk on a treeview expands recursively!
Yes, any treeview. But you have to use the number-pad asterisk, I think.
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