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From: Fa3ien
Subject: Misunderstanding
Date: 12 Mar 2008 11:39:10
Message: <47d8072e@news.povray.org>
New colleague (worked 6 months in a bigger firm, before).
We use Thunderbird as mail client.

Yesterday :
she : how do I add a signature to my mails ?
me : go there (showing the dialog), and specify a text file which contains your
signature

Today :
she : it doesn't work, the signature
me : ?
she : I've made my signature in a Word file and it just shows two bars
me : (mentally slapping forehead)

Fabien.


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From: Mike the Elder
Subject: Re: Misunderstanding
Date: 12 Mar 2008 14:45:00
Message: <web.47d831d3e40076b573e406e60@news.povray.org>
Fa3ien <fab### [at] yourshoesskynetbe> wrote:
> New colleague (worked 6 months in a bigger firm, before).
> We use Thunderbird as mail client.
>
> Yesterday :
> she : how do I add a signature to my mails ?
> me : go there (showing the dialog), and specify a text file which contains your
signature
>
> Today :
> she : it doesn't work, the signature
> me : ?
> she : I've made my signature in a Word file and it just shows two bars
> me : (mentally slapping forehead)
>
> Fabien.


Although it may SEEM that the solution to many an I.T. problem is to bring the
corporeal existence of the user to an abrupt and unceremonious conclusion,
please allow me to assure you that the laws of most countries mandate
quantities of related paperwork that make this approach impractical.  (Does
anyone still wonder why my McGruff the Crime Dog "Users are Losers" T-shirt is
one of my most cherished material possessions?)

Best Regards,
(and deep commiseration)

Mike C.


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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: Misunderstanding
Date: 12 Mar 2008 15:34:20
Message: <47d83e4c$1@news.povray.org>
Mike the Elder wrote:
> 
> Although it may SEEM that the solution to many an I.T. problem is to bring the
> corporeal existence of the user to an abrupt and unceremonious conclusion,
> please allow me to assure you that the laws of most countries mandate
> quantities of related paperwork that make this approach impractical.  (Does
> anyone still wonder why my McGruff the Crime Dog "Users are Losers" T-shirt is
> one of my most cherished material possessions?)
> 
> Best Regards,
> (and deep commiseration)
> 
> Mike C.
> 

... but I assume (and hope) that use of a LART is still legally
acceptable :-)

John

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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: Misunderstanding
Date: 13 Mar 2008 06:29:26
Message: <op.t7ycwbx6c3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:40:06 -0000, Fa3ien  
<fab### [at] yourshoesskynetbe> did spake, saying:

> New colleague (worked 6 months in a bigger firm, before).
> We use Thunderbird as mail client.
>
> Yesterday :
> she : how do I add a signature to my mails ?
> me : go there (showing the dialog), and specify a text file which  
> contains your signature
>
> Today :
> she : it doesn't work, the signature
> me : ?
> she : I've made my signature in a Word file and it just shows two bars
> me : (mentally slapping forehead)

You mean Thunderbird doesn't allow you to create a signature directly? In  
Opera I just pull up the account and click the outgoing tab to be able to  
write one directly... heck you can even do that in Outlook.

Then again I suppose it might mean you can rotate thorugh a stack of  
different signatues automatically.

-- 
Phil Cook

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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: Misunderstanding
Date: 13 Mar 2008 07:20:19
Message: <47d91c03@news.povray.org>
Phil Cook wrote:

> You mean Thunderbird doesn't allow you to create a signature directly? 

Indeed. It's quite annoying, actually.

Then again, I guess they'd have to invent a whole text editing component 
to allow you to do that. Oh, wait...

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From: Fa3ien
Subject: Re: Misunderstanding
Date: 13 Mar 2008 09:50:53
Message: <47d93f4d$1@news.povray.org>

> And lo on Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:40:06 -0000, Fa3ien 
> <fab### [at] yourshoesskynetbe> did spake, saying:
> 
>> New colleague (worked 6 months in a bigger firm, before).
>> We use Thunderbird as mail client.
>>
>> Yesterday :
>> she : how do I add a signature to my mails ?
>> me : go there (showing the dialog), and specify a text file which 
>> contains your signature
>>
>> Today :
>> she : it doesn't work, the signature
>> me : ?
>> she : I've made my signature in a Word file and it just shows two bars
>> me : (mentally slapping forehead)
> 
> You mean Thunderbird doesn't allow you to create a signature directly? 

No, it doesn't. Not very smart, indeed.

BTW, the little story wasn't about "how stupid are users" but rather how
I, inconsciously, thought that "text file" was equal to "ascii" for
anyone (which is natural and obvious for geeks).  I can't say she's wrong
if she thinks "text file" == ".doc", of course.

> Then again I suppose it might mean you can rotate thorugh a stack of 
> different signatues automatically.

Neither.

Fabien.


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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: Misunderstanding
Date: 13 Mar 2008 10:02:41
Message: <op.t7ymrolsc3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:51:51 -0000, Fa3ien  
<fab### [at] yourshoesskynetbe> did spake, saying:


>> And lo on Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:40:06 -0000, Fa3ien  
>> <fab### [at] yourshoesskynetbe> did spake, saying:
>>
>>> New colleague (worked 6 months in a bigger firm, before).
>>> We use Thunderbird as mail client.
>>>
>>> Yesterday :
>>> she : how do I add a signature to my mails ?
>>> me : go there (showing the dialog), and specify a text file which  
>>> contains your signature
>>>
>>> Today :
>>> she : it doesn't work, the signature
>>> me : ?
>>> she : I've made my signature in a Word file and it just shows two bars
>>> me : (mentally slapping forehead)
>>  You mean Thunderbird doesn't allow you to create a signature directly?
>
> No, it doesn't. Not very smart, indeed.
>
> BTW, the little story wasn't about "how stupid are users" but rather how
> I, inconsciously, thought that "text file" was equal to "ascii" for
> anyone (which is natural and obvious for geeks).  I can't say she's wrong
> if she thinks "text file" == ".doc", of course.

Oh no I got that, if you ask any non-geek to write something the first  
thing they'll reach for is Word (or equivalent). I was just surprised that  
you couldn't type a signature directly into Thunderbird. Seems a rather  
obvious missing feature.

>> Then again I suppose it might mean you can rotate thorugh a stack of  
>> different signatues automatically.
>
> Neither.

Well I expect someone here could knock out a TCL/Haskell/Perl script to  
swap text files around or read a line out of a master document to insert  
into the signature file.

-- 
Phil Cook

--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com


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From: Gilles Tran
Subject: Re: Misunderstanding
Date: 13 Mar 2008 10:26:10
Message: <47d94792$1@news.povray.org>

47d93f4d$1@news.povray.org...
> BTW, the little story wasn't about "how stupid are users" but rather how
> I, inconsciously, thought that "text file" was equal to "ascii" for
> anyone (which is natural and obvious for geeks).  I can't say she's wrong
> if she thinks "text file" == ".doc", of course.

Also, if she was coming from a corporate environment, it's quite possible 
that she was using Word as an email editor, including Word's built-in 
signature editor.

G.

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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Misunderstanding
Date: 13 Mar 2008 10:50:32
Message: <47d94d48$1@news.povray.org>
Indeed.  As much as I love Thunderbird, Firefox, Inkscape and other 
open-source projects, they are mainly by geeks to geeks.  There's no 
excuse for a lack of builtin signature textbox editor.

BTW, one recent issue with the forthcoming inkscape 0.46 has been that 
the Windows version wasn't printing.  Yep, no print functionality for 
the Windows version.  And it's not a problem with the project itself, 
which is Linux geared and where printing works fine, but just to the 
Windows port, which is not maintained by the core developers, but by 
volunteers commited to the platform.  Despite the port being obviously 
more popular than the original, just for the sheer amount of users. 
Anyway, it's not really a problem with inkscape per se, but with one of 
its main dependencies, cairo.

Geeks-to-geeks.  Should be 
geeks-to-idiots-who-don't-know-difference-between-formatting-and-writting.


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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: Misunderstanding
Date: 13 Mar 2008 11:24:58
Message: <47d9555a$1@news.povray.org>

> Indeed.  As much as I love Thunderbird, Firefox, Inkscape and other 
> open-source projects, they are mainly by geeks to geeks.  There's no 
> excuse for a lack of builtin signature textbox editor.

meh, thunderbird sucks. Even Outlook Express had way better newsgroup 
handling. Thunderbird doesn't keep a cache at all. You have two options: 
get messages deleted from the cache shortly after you read them, or 
download ALL the damned messages of the newsgroup. You can't make it 
cache what you already saw and only what you already saw.

Also, it has a horrible way to handle messages with attachments. It 
seems to first download the whole message, attachments included. Shows 
only text. Then for each attachment present, it re-downloads the whole 
message again...


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