OK, so I realise nobody here actually gives a ****, but I just drew 
these three pictures:

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On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:38:14 +0000, Orchid XP v7 wrote:

> OK, so I realise nobody here actually gives a ****, but I just drew
> these three pictures:

That's a hell of a lot better than I could do.

Jim

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Well *obviously* these are intended to represent the three main 
characters from Ctrl+Alt+Del. From this point of view, the truly 
astonishing thing is that YOU CAN TELL WHO THEY ARE!

To understand why this is a big deal, try the following: Get a 
photograph of somebody you know. Now attempt to draw their face. When 
you're done, see if *anybody* can tell who the hell it's meant to be a 
drawing of. Unless you're a pretty skilled artist, I can virtually 
guarantee nobody will have a clue who you were trying to draw!

And I've just drawn three people, and you can tell who is who! o_O

Sure, all three images are *loaded* with obvious and elementary errors. 
(What the hell happened to Lucas's hand?! Ethan's head is too big. His 
hair is in the wrong place. Lilah's head is too tall and not wide 
enough. Her fringe is wrong, so is her neck. What happened to her bra 
line? etc.) But even with so many incorrect proportions, they are all 
*recognisible*. That's astounding!

I didn't even spend *that* long drawing these... about 10 minutes each? 
All the expressions have come out wrong, but the characters at least are 
recognisible. I'm pretty pleased at this point...

My reference images:

http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20060211

(Second panel has a nice clear shot of Lilah with no text in the way.)

http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20060215

(Top two panels show nice shots of Lucas and Ethan.)

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Jim Henderson wrote:

> That's a hell of a lot better than I could do.

Heh. Thanks.

Looking at the comic, you think "hey, they're really simply drawn. Just 
a bunch of lines really. There's hardly any detail at all. It must be 
really easy to draw them."

Well, uh... GO TRY IT! It's way harder than it looks. (Like I just found 
out.)

Even so, considering this is what I did in a few minutes with 
tea-stained desk pad and a freebie pen I got from a dating agency... I'd 
say they came out kinda OK, no? :-D

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http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/12/13/achievment-cat-is-prowd-of-himself/

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Jim Henderson escribió:
> On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:38:14 +0000, Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> 
>> OK, so I realise nobody here actually gives a ****, but I just drew
>> these three pictures:
> 
> That's a hell of a lot better than I could do.

Ditto.

Heck that looks like the first comics.

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On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:48:40 +0000, Orchid XP v7 wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
> 
>> That's a hell of a lot better than I could do.
> 
> Heh. Thanks.
> 
> Looking at the comic, you think "hey, they're really simply drawn. Just
> a bunch of lines really. There's hardly any detail at all. It must be
> really easy to draw them."

Well, I didn't think that - but that's because I know that without 
drafting tools, I suck at drawing.  I was an engineering student in 
college, and took a couple of drafting classes, so if I need to do an 
orthographic view on paper, I have the equipment to draw it on paper.  
But if I need to draw a face, forget it - I just can't manage that.

> Well, uh... GO TRY IT! It's way harder than it looks. (Like I just found
> out.)
> 
> Even so, considering this is what I did in a few minutes with
> tea-stained desk pad and a freebie pen I got from a dating agency... I'd
> say they came out kinda OK, no? :-D

I thought they looked fine. :-)  For those who do cartoons 
professionally, they get a character developed and then it becomes easier 
to draw them consistently and more quickly.  I'm sure if you used those 
characters for a comic, after drawing them for a while, you'd know how to 
do them pretty quickly.

I remember an episode of The Simpsons that included a brief lesson on how 
to draw Homer, conducted by Matt Groening.  Very interesting.

Jim

Jim

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"Orchid XP v7" <voi### [at] devnull> a écrit dans le message de news: 
47c87e8e$1@news.povray.org...
> http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/12/13/achievment-cat-is-prowd-of-himself/

http://faildogs.com/

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those are pretty good.  now try with a mouse... :)

Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> And I've just drawn three people, and you can tell who is who! o_O

actually, you just draw 3 cartoon characters.  Much more difficult to actually
draw people.

> line? etc.) But even with so many incorrect proportions, they are all
> *recognisible*. That's astounding!

getting proportions right is really the hardest part of drawing...

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"Gilles Tran" <gitran_nospam_@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> "Orchid XP v7" <voi### [at] devnull> a écrit dans le message de news:
> 47c87e8e$1@news.povray.org...
> > http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/12/13/achievment-cat-is-prowd-of-himself/
>
> http://faildogs.com/

oh, gosh... there goes my coffee through my nose again... :))

poor pets... :))

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>> And I've just drawn three people, and you can tell who is who! o_O
> 
> actually, you just draw 3 cartoon characters.  Much more difficult to actually
> draw people.

Well, yeah. I've tried, and failed. Lots.

> getting proportions right is really the hardest part of drawing...

Pretty much, yah...

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>> getting proportions right is really the hardest part of drawing...
>
> Pretty much, yah...

I agree, and it can be frustrating. Paper is unforgiving,
that's probably a good reason to use a computer...

Here's some doodles, I'm not very good.

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"nemesis" <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote in message
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> "Gilles Tran" <gitran_nospam_@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> > "Orchid XP v7" <voi### [at] devnull> a écrit dans le message de news:
> > 47c87e8e$1@news.povray.org...
> > >
http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/12/13/achievment-cat-is-prowd-of-himself/
> >
> > http://faildogs.com/
>
> oh, gosh... there goes my coffee through my nose again... :))
>

Is that how they drink coffe in Brazil?  ;oD

I like Brazillian coffee :)
My sister brought us some Cafe Atibaiense from Sao Paulo when she went there
with my brother, who is married to a Brazillian girl called Alexandra (but
apparently you have to pronounce it Aleshandra)


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Tim Attwood wrote:
>>> getting proportions right is really the hardest part of drawing...
>> Pretty much, yah...
> 
> I agree, and it can be frustrating. Paper is unforgiving,
> that's probably a good reason to use a computer...
> 
> Here's some doodles, I'm not very good.

Still a ways from being done, but what the heck, I'll show y'all up with 
my going-on-2-year WIP magnum opus (or at least the most ambitious 
drawing I've ever done).  Now with smaller nipples 'cuz everyone was 
saying they were too big.  NWS.

http://cgi.4chan.org/ic/src/cb-nws/1204360021815.jpg

(fortunately the ic board has a pretty long time before stuff is pushed off)

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"Nekar" <nek### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> Is that how they drink coffe in Brazil?  ;oD

only when something funny happens to go by... ;)

> I like Brazillian coffee :)

and sugar cane! :)

> My sister brought us some Cafe Atibaiense from Sao Paulo when she went there
> with my brother, who is married to a Brazillian girl called Alexandra (but
> apparently you have to pronounce it Aleshandra)

yes, we reserve the x (eks) pronunciation to taxi or toxico...  hey, Xuxa is
also Shoosha...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xuxa
oh, lame...

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Tim Cook <z99### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> http://cgi.4chan.org/ic/src/cb-nws/1204360021815.jpg

whoa!!  please stop spanking us poor untalented programming geeks!

That's a beautiful drawing, with beautiful composition, lines and nipples!  A
Magnum Opus it is indeed! :D

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nemesis wrote:
> Tim Cook <z99### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>> http://cgi.4chan.org/ic/src/cb-nws/1204360021815.jpg
> 
> whoa!!  please stop spanking us poor untalented programming geeks!
> 
> That's a beautiful drawing, with beautiful composition, lines and nipples!  A
> Magnum Opus it is indeed! :D

If it weren't for POV, I doubt I'd have the patience to make this...

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> "Nekar" <nek### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> > Is that how they drink coffe in Brazil?  ;oD
>
> only when something funny happens to go by... ;)
>
He-he ;)

> > I like Brazillian coffee :)
>
> and sugar cane! :)
>

I remember chewing a sugar cane when I was a little boy. We only have cane
sugar here in South Africa. I think they have beet sugar mostly in the
northern hemisphere. And if I am not mistaken beet sugar is not as sweet as
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> On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:48:40 +0000, Orchid XP v7 wrote:
>
> > Jim Henderson wrote:
> >
> >> That's a hell of a lot better than I could do.
> >
> > Heh. Thanks.
> >
> > Looking at the comic, you think "hey, they're really simply drawn. Just
> > a bunch of lines really. There's hardly any detail at all. It must be
> > really easy to draw them."
>
> Well, I didn't think that - but that's because I know that without
> drafting tools, I suck at drawing.  I was an engineering student in
> college, and took a couple of drafting classes, so if I need to do an
> orthographic view on paper, I have the equipment to draw it on paper.

At drafting I always figured out the difficult parts that were supposed to
catch you out - it the proccess sometimes making silly mistakes on the basic
stuff...  :-P

> But if I need to draw a face, forget it - I just can't manage that.
>

My art teacher in school forced me to do lots of faces. The result: I find
doing faces boring, but I'm very good at it - especially getting a good
resemblance.

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Orchid XP v7 wrote:

> Well, uh... GO TRY IT! It's way harder than it looks. (Like I just found 
> out.)

Heh, 10 minutes with the tablet, and I came up with this lame excuse of 
a character .. Hmmm, modeled after the Simpsons characters, I think.

My "Inking" isn't all that great, there's probably a ton wrong with it. 
Please, no critique, my sensitive ego couldn't stand up to it.

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> 
> Heh, 10 minutes with the tablet, and I came up with this lame excuse of 
> a character .. Hmmm, modeled after the Simpsons characters, I think.
> 

I looked at the picture before I read your text and though I saw Fry.

http://csl.sublevel3.org/jp2a/gallery/fry.jpg (ok, that's made with 
ASCII, but it's the closest look of Fry with quickGoogle)

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On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 21:25:41 +0200, Nekar wrote:

>> Well, I didn't think that - but that's because I know that without
>> drafting tools, I suck at drawing.  I was an engineering student in
>> college, and took a couple of drafting classes, so if I need to do an
>> orthographic view on paper, I have the equipment to draw it on paper.
> 
> At drafting I always figured out the difficult parts that were supposed
> to catch you out - it the proccess sometimes making silly mistakes on
> the basic stuff...  :-P

Yep, that's very true.

>> But if I need to draw a face, forget it - I just can't manage that.
>>
>>
> My art teacher in school forced me to do lots of faces. The result: I
> find doing faces boring, but I'm very good at it - especially getting a
> good resemblance.

I never took an art class that focused on that - the last one I did take, 
I think, was in 7th grade.

Jim

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On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 23:19:18 -0600, Michael Raiford wrote:

> Hmmm, modeled after the Simpsons characters, I think.

I was thinking that it kinda resembled Millhouse, but without the 
overbite.

Jim

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For everybody's enjoyment, I'll post a little drawing of mine. Got a 
Graphire4 this weekend and it's fantastic. Saves a lot of paper ("Save 
the Woods!") and the hassle of scanning.

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>> That's a hell of a lot better than I could do.
> 
> Ditto.
> 
> Heck that looks like the first comics.

Yay! I've found something I don't suck at! :-D

I just sat down and drew Scott - and it looks like Scott! w00t! Now I 
almost look talented. Heh.

[Aside from the minor detail that I'm simply copying somebody else's 
creative genius photocopier-style.]

Seriously, you try drawing a person's face, and the result looks 
*nothing* like them! One time, I even tried to draw Pikachu. (Don't 
ask.) It looked completely wrong. But for some reason, I can draw 
characters from Ctrl+Alt+Del and they look right... yays!

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I've just added Scott to the set. Did it real quick, but it's instantly 
recognisable as Scott, which has got to be a good thing!

I also had a go at drawing some stuff with the GIMP. But the problem I 
instantly ran into is that drawing with a mouse is virutally impossible. 
The lines are all disgustingly wobbly and uneven.

Damn, now I remember why I usually stick with vector graphics! (But then 
of course you have to spend countless hours playing with Beizer curves 
which never ever look quite how you want them to...)

Either way, I can't even draw *lines* as nicely as Tim does! (I wonder 
whether this is related to me using a £5 optical mouse and Tim using a 
$2,000 graphics tablet, or whether it's because I'm using a £0 copy of 
the GIMP while Tim is using a £700 copy of Photoshop, or whether I just 
suck at drawing...)

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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> One time, I even tried to draw Pikachu. (Don't 
> ask.) It looked completely wrong.

  Try drawing Garfield. Or Donald Duck. Surprisingly difficult.

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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> I also had a go at drawing some stuff with the GIMP. But the problem I 
> instantly ran into is that drawing with a mouse is virutally impossible. 
> The lines are all disgustingly wobbly and uneven.

  That's why people use graphics tablets...

  (Although using a very large resolution and zooming in can help a bit.)

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> Damn, now I remember why I usually stick with vector graphics! (But then 
> of course you have to spend countless hours playing with Beizer curves 
> which never ever look quite how you want them to...)

Try scanning in your hand-drawn work and fitting the beziers over the top.

> Either way, I can't even draw *lines* as nicely as Tim does! (I wonder 
> whether this is related to me using a £5 optical mouse and Tim using a 
> $2,000 graphics tablet, or whether it's because I'm using a £0 copy of the 
> GIMP while Tim is using a £700 copy of Photoshop, or whether I just suck 
> at drawing...)

What tool are you using in the GIMP? In most art programs you get some sort 
of smoothed line tool that smooths out the lines you draw with the mouse. 
Even in MS PowerPoint you get a freehand tool that smooths out squiggly 
lines you draw with the mouse - you could use that then screenshot and 
import to GIMP for further processing.

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Warp wrote:

>   Try drawing Garfield. Or Donald Duck. Surprisingly difficult.

Hmm... Donald Duck... Let me see now...

Attempt #1: EPIC FAIL.

Attempt #2: Fail.

Attempt #3: EPIC FAIL.

Attempt #4: Fail.

Nope, it's no good. I ph413. I simply can't get that mouth shape 
correct. It's too crazy... Attempt #2 looks *vaguely* reminiscent of 
him, but the others are just nowhere near.

*throws paper away*

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scott wrote:
>> Damn, now I remember why I usually stick with vector graphics! (But 
>> then of course you have to spend countless hours playing with Beizer 
>> curves which never ever look quite how you want them to...)
> 
> Try scanning in your hand-drawn work and fitting the beziers over the top.

The endless *hours* I've spent fighting with Inkscape trying to make the 
curves look smooth though... It's really very hard indeed to make the 
curves completely smooth. Even after tuning all the control handles for 
ages you can still see where the control points are. :-(

[ Oh yeah, and my mum's scanner isn't working yet. ;-) ]

>> Either way, I can't even draw *lines* as nicely as Tim does!
> 
> What tool are you using in the GIMP?

Pencil tool.

> In most art programs you get some 
> sort of smoothed line tool that smooths out the lines you draw with the 
> mouse. Even in MS PowerPoint you get a freehand tool that smooths out 
> squiggly lines you draw with the mouse - you could use that then 
> screenshot and import to GIMP for further processing.

Yeah, maybe.

Perhaps I'll try Photoshop Elements tonight...

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>> I also had a go at drawing some stuff with the GIMP. But the problem I 
>> instantly ran into is that drawing with a mouse is virutally impossible. 
>> The lines are all disgustingly wobbly and uneven.
> 
>   That's why people use graphics tablets...

Yeah, figures...

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Invisible wrote:
> The endless *hours* I've spent fighting with Inkscape trying to make the 
> curves look smooth though... It's really very hard indeed to make the 
> curves completely smooth. Even after tuning all the control handles for 
> ages you can still see where the control points are. :-(

Works for me. In fact, I just had a quick fiddle and it took me several 
attempts to actually get a clearly visible 'corner' in the curve. The 
default behaviour appears to be a properly smoothed node, no visible 
corners at all.

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On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:46:56 +0000, Invisible wrote:

> I wonder
> whether this is related to me using a £5 optical mouse and Tim using a
> $2,000 graphics tablet,

That one.

Jim

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Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:

>   That's why people use graphics tablets...
>
>   (Although using a very large resolution and zooming in can help a bit.)
>
> --
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Drawing with a graphics tablet is funky; takes getting used to.  Some people
compare it to drawing on glass, so they slip a piece of paper on top of the
tablet so they can get the same "feel".  I'm finally to the point where I trust
myself enough with it to draw inbetweens.  Still not there yet for a generic
sketching tool (probably gonna stick with paper and pencils for that, at least
for the foreseeable future).  And I've found inking on top of pencil drawings
is easier if I use the mouse.  Don't ask me why...

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Invisible wrote:

> Nope, it's no good. I ph413. I simply can't get that mouth shape 
> correct. It's too crazy... Attempt #2 looks *vaguely* reminiscent of 
> him, but the others are just nowhere near.

I WANNA SEE!!! :D

> 
> *throws paper away*
> 

No, don't throw away. I posted my lame attempt at drawing.

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Mike Raiford wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
> 
>> Nope, it's no good. I ph413. I simply can't get that mouth shape 
>> correct. It's too crazy... Attempt #2 looks *vaguely* reminiscent of 
>> him, but the others are just nowhere near.
> 
> I WANNA SEE!!! :D
> 
>>
>> *throws paper away*
>>
> 
> No, don't throw away. I posted my lame attempt at drawing.

Look, it sucked, OK? (And I'm not supposed to my using the PostIt(tm) 
notes on my desk for drawing cartoon characters during work hours.) Just 
assume you already saw it and start with the pointing and the laughing...



...OMG! I just had an idea. Damn it, I could make a comic about 
povray.off-topic! o_O Let's face it, some pretty amusing stuff happens 
round here. And I'm at least as weird as Ethan while still being a real 
person... my God, we could make millions!

Oh, wait. Yah, I still can't draw yet... :-S

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you know, the Gimp and Photoshop are not really well suited for 
"drawing".  That work Gilles posted had its forms drawn in Adobe 
Illustrator -- a vector package -- and then exported and composed and 
texturized in Photoshop.

Inkscape has an excellent drawing tool:  the calligraphic pen.  Using 
it, I don't feel all that urge for a tablet.

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Invisible wrote:
> scott wrote:
>> Try scanning in your hand-drawn work and fitting the beziers over the 
>> top.
> 
> The endless *hours* I've spent fighting with Inkscape trying to make the 
> curves look smooth though... It's really very hard indeed to make the 
> curves completely smooth. Even after tuning all the control handles for 
> ages you can still see where the control points are. :-(

if you're scanning, why not simply trace the bitmap and go from there on?

If you're drawing on inkscape, though, try these settings with the 
calligraphic lines tool:
width: 12 thinning: -0.14 angle: 45+ fixation: 0.85 caps: 0.75

the calligraphic tool is sort of a blend between a free-hand pen tool 
and a bézier drawing tool:  it assists your hand-drawing by smoothing it 
out given your chosen settings.  It's very good for a cartoonish style...

You can also have a lot of fun by playing with the wiggle and tremor 
parameters... :)

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> The endless *hours* I've spent fighting with Inkscape trying to make the 
> curves look smooth though... It's really very hard indeed to make the 
> curves completely smooth. Even after tuning all the control handles for 
> ages you can still see where the control points are. :-(

I've not used Inkscape much, but there must be some option to set the corner 
points to "smooth" which constrains the bezier control points so that the 
join is smooth.  If you really want to have a sharp corner, then you can set 
it to "corner" so that you can adjust the control points independantly.

> Perhaps I'll try Photoshop Elements tonight...

Or give PaintShopPro a try too, if you can't get along with PSE.

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And lo on Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:29:16 -0000, Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull>  
did spake, saying:

> Mike Raiford wrote:
>> Invisible wrote:
>>
>>> Nope, it's no good. I ph413. I simply can't get that mouth shape  
>>> correct. It's too crazy... Attempt #2 looks *vaguely* reminiscent of  
>>> him, but the others are just nowhere near.
>>  I WANNA SEE!!! :D
>>
>>>
>>> *throws paper away*
>>>
>>  No, don't throw away. I posted my lame attempt at drawing.
>
> Look, it sucked, OK? (And I'm not supposed to my using the PostIt(tm)  
> notes on my desk for drawing cartoon characters during work hours.) Just  
> assume you already saw it and start with the pointing and the laughing...

Ah well if you won't I'll snaffle a PostIt instead so here's the before.

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And lo on Tue, 04 Mar 2008 16:14:47 -0000, Phil Cook  
<phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> did spake, saying:

> Ah well if you won't I'll snaffle a PostIt instead so here's the before.

and here's the vectored after

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>> Look, it sucked, OK? (And I'm not supposed to my using the PostIt(tm) 
>> notes on my desk for drawing cartoon characters during work hours.) 
>> Just assume you already saw it and start with the pointing and the 
>> laughing...
> 
> Ah well if you won't I'll snaffle a PostIt instead so here's the before.

Hint: Yours looks vastly better than any of mine.

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And lo on Tue, 04 Mar 2008 16:48:54 -0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> did  
spake, saying:

>>> Look, it sucked, OK? (And I'm not supposed to my using the PostIt(tm)  
>>> notes on my desk for drawing cartoon characters during work hours.)  
>>> Just assume you already saw it and start with the pointing and the  
>>> laughing...
>>  Ah well if you won't I'll snaffle a PostIt instead so here's the  
>> before.
>
> Hint: Yours looks vastly better than any of mine.

But we'll never really know that unless you show us :-)

Anyway tech-wise the original drawing was drawn on a 3" square yellow  
Z-note with an HB pencil then scanned in at 150dpi. I did the vectoring in  
PSP7 and not counting the original background I've 2 raster layers and 7  
vector layers with 11 objects; and I really couldn't be arsed to do the  
hat. It still needs some tweaking and smoothing, but as I'd already wasted  
just under ½hr on it meh!

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Dan Byers wrote:
> compare it to drawing on glass, so they slip a piece of paper on top of the
> tablet so they can get the same "feel". 

The tablet PC I use has a very nice screen for that. Feels like a high 
quality pen on paper. Not slick at all.

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"Orchid XP v7" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
news:47c87b36@news.povray.org...
> OK, so I realise nobody here actually gives a ****, but I just drew
> these three pictures:

   Well, you did good there, they look good to me. Long time since I did any 
freestyle pencil stuff!

      ~Steve~

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>    Well, you did good there, they look good to me. Long time since I did any 
> freestyle pencil stuff!

Why thank you Mr St.

I've discovered that for some reason, all of the CAD characters seem 
particularly easy to draw. (Though by no means trivial. Every time I try 
to draw more of Lilah than her face, it comes out looking like... a 
train wreck. Really. I also have a big problem with hands...)

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"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
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>>    Well, you did good there, they look good to me. Long time since I did 
>> any freestyle pencil stuff!
>
> Why thank you Mr St.
>
> I've discovered that for some reason, all of the CAD characters seem 
> particularly easy to draw. (Though by no means trivial. Every time I try 
> to draw more of Lilah than her face, it comes out looking like... a train 
> wreck. Really. I also have a big problem with hands...)
>
Hands and realistic smiles are probably the most difficult to draw.


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Nekar Xenos <nek### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> Hands and realistic smiles are probably the most difficult to draw.

  Yeah, unlike in cartoons, the corners of the mouth do not go up when
you smile. If you draw an otherwise realistic face like that, it will
look horrible.

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Nekar Xenos wrote:

> Hands and realistic smiles are probably the most difficult to draw.

Yeah, I've got to the point where I can *usually* draw CAD characters 
such that you can recognise who it's supposed to be. What expression 
they end up having still seems to be rather random - I haven't worked 
out how to really control this part yet.

Arms and legs are also deceptively hard. They're not just cylinders; 
their circumferance changes along their length in a really quite subtle 
way. (If you ignore it, it looks wrong. If you try to draw it, it looks 
vastly exaggerated. And wrong.)

I think it would be extremely interesting to find out how Tim draws 
these guys. I mean, sure, partly it's practice. But by now he must 
surely have a carefully honed technique for drawing each guy and gal...?

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