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(I guess the subject of my previous thread wasn't exciting enough to get
any interest)
I managed to cross-compile POV-Ray. Build system: i686-pc-cygwin. Host
system: arm-apple-darwin. Took like all day arguing with libraries,
compiler errors, and libtiff's broken build system. I'm now the proud
owner of a 1.9MB file that supposedly will make my iPod touch capable of
raytracing.
Now, only way to get it to work is jailbreaking the iPod. And running
POV on a shell, since of course I didn't make a fancy GUI. And since I
had firmware 1.1.3, looks like the jailbreak procedure (somewhat
simplified) is:
- downgrade to 1.1.1
- open safari, go to jailbreakme.com, and let the TIFF exploit do
everything for you
- run OKtoPrep (whatever that is)
- upgrade to 1.1.2
- jailbreak again
- upgrade to 1.1.3
Okay... Let's start. I download 1.1.1 firmware from the official apple
website. Then hold shift while clicking Restore on iTunes. Shift makes
it ask for a file instead of automatically downloading the latest
firmware. I click on the 1.1.1 file. "Extracting firmware", "Preparing
iPod for installing", "Unknown error". iPod shows apple logo. Minutes
later, iPod still shows apple logo. I'm screwed?
I can't believe I got it bricked on the first step. And that was
probably the safest step too. I didn't do any hacking yet, it was just
downgrading to an official and unmodified firmware (1.1.1) using an
official and unmodified program (iTunes).
I tried restoring multiple times, following instructions to hold home
and sleep buttons to completely reset it, restoring to 1.1.3, nothing
worked. "Unknown error (6)". That particular error number is listed on
apple support website, but the instructions didn't help me either. I
even tried letting iTunes restore it to the latest version (without
pressing shift), which meant waiting for yet another 160MB download.
I finally managed to restore it (to 1.1.4, the latest) from my dad's
Mac. Maybe my machine really did need a reboot; 7 days uptime, and I
think I should have rebooted after installing iTunes. But now I lack
half the applications on the iPod.
I had read before a blog post with instructions on how to copy Mail.app
from an iPhone to an iPod touch, and I thought "wtf, doesn't that
*already* come with the iTouch? Mine has it... Must be an older firmware
version that doesn't have it, and it's an old blog post..." But nope.
Turns out Mail, Weather, Stocks, Google Maps, Notes, and the ability to
customize the home screen are all optional features on the iPod touch.
"Available for only $19.99." Sheesh... I won't be paying 20 bucks to get
apps I had working just fine yesterday.
Probably Sun did more than just preloading the iPod with course videos
and laser-engraving "Sun Learning Services" on the back. They must have
added that application pack as well. But along with the free iPod, they
should have also given my dad some way to get those apps back in case
the iPod had to be restored for any reason... Oh well. I guess I can't
complain much given I got it for free?
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Nicolas Alvarez <nic### [at] gmail isthebestcom> wrote:
> - open safari, go to jailbreakme.com, and let the TIFF exploit do
> everything for you
Whoa, TIFF decoding must be one of the most broken things in the world.
One of the most popular exploits to run third-party applications in a
PSP is precisely a TIFF exploit.
--
- Warp
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Warp escribió:
> Nicolas Alvarez <nic### [at] gmailisthebestcom> wrote:
>> - open safari, go to jailbreakme.com, and let the TIFF exploit do
>> everything for you
>
> Whoa, TIFF decoding must be one of the most broken things in the world.
Blame libtiff :) Its build system seemed to be one of the most broken
things in the world too, when I tried to x-compile POV-Ray.
http://dancameron.org/general/jailbreakmecom
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Nicolas Alvarez escribió:
> - downgrade to 1.1.1
> - open safari, go to jailbreakme.com, and let the TIFF exploit do
> everything for you
> - run OKtoPrep (whatever that is)
> - upgrade to 1.1.2
> - jailbreak again
> - upgrade to 1.1.3
>
> Okay... Let's start. I download 1.1.1 firmware from the official apple
> website. Then hold shift while clicking Restore on iTunes. Shift makes
> it ask for a file instead of automatically downloading the latest
> firmware. I click on the 1.1.1 file. "Extracting firmware", "Preparing
> iPod for installing", "Unknown error". iPod shows apple logo. Minutes
> later, iPod still shows apple logo. I'm screwed?
I'll attempt the downgrade again... Wish me luck.
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Nicolas Alvarez escribió:
> I'll attempt the downgrade again... Wish me luck.
Bricked *sigh*
Now I have to wait for my dad to come back to work so I can restore
again with his Mac.
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Nicolas Alvarez escribió:
> Nicolas Alvarez escribió:
>> I'll attempt the downgrade again... Wish me luck.
>
> Bricked *sigh*
>
> Now I have to wait for my dad to come back to work so I can restore
> again with his Mac.
Wow!
Plugged iPod to a different USB port, tried again (with latest
firmware), and it actually restored this time; no more error!! Why did I
not think of that before?
Time to actually try 1.1.1 now.
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Nicolas Alvarez <nic### [at] gmailisthebestcom> wrote:
> > Whoa, TIFF decoding must be one of the most broken things in the world.
> Blame libtiff :) Its build system seemed to be one of the most broken
> things in the world too, when I tried to x-compile POV-Ray.
TIFF, the most popular image format in the printing industry, and the
one with the most badly broken codec library in the world...
One would think that vast popularity in such a widespread professional
field would be a good incentive to make a good library, but seemingly not.
--
- Warp
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Nicolas Alvarez escribió:
> Time to actually try 1.1.1 now.
Didn't work, different error. Tried 1.1.3, yet another different error.
Only .4 worked.
But the hacking community rocks. With help from #itouch on the
hackintosh server, I got it downgraded.
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Well, it's jailbreaked, running firmware 1.1.2, and with OpenSSH
installed. I tried running my POV-Ray binary, and got the big help
explaining switches. Good start (valid binary, no missing libraries).
Copied scenes/camera/perspective.pov and its #included dependencies.
iPod:~ root# ./povray -Iperspective.pov -L. -w40 -h30 -fn
povray: cannot open the system configuration file
/usr/local/etc/povray/3.6/povray.conf: No such file or directory
povray: cannot open the user configuration file
/var/root/.povray/3.6/povray.conf: No such file or directory
povray: I/O restrictions are disabled.
povray: cannot open an INI file, creating a temporary file
'/private/var/root/pov36.ini'.
povray: removing '/private/var/root/pov36.ini'.
Persistence of Vision(tm) Ray Tracer Version 3.6.1 (arm-apple-darwin-g++
4.0.1 @
arm-apple-darwin)
This is an unofficial version compiled by:
Nicolas Alvarez <nic### [at] gmailcom>
The POV-Ray Team(tm) is not responsible for supporting this version.
POV-Ray is based on DKBTrace 2.12 by David K. Buck & Aaron A. Collins
Copyright 1991-2003 Persistence of Vision Team
Copyright 2003-2004 Persistence of Vision Raytracer Pty. Ltd.
Primary POV-Ray 3.5/3.6 Developers: (Alphabetically)
Chris Cason Thorsten Froehlich Nathan Kopp Ron Parker
Contributing Authors: (Alphabetically)
Steve Anger Eric Barish Dieter Bayer Steve A.
Bennett
David K. Buck Nicolas Calimet Aaron A. Collins Chris Dailey
Steve Demlow Andreas Dilger Alexander Enzmann Dan Farmer
Mark Gordon Christoph Hormann Mike Hough Chris Huff
Kari Kivisalo Lutz Kretzschmar Jochen Lippert Pascal
Massimino
Jim McElhiney Douglas Muir Juha Nieminen Bill Pulver
Eduard Schwan Wlodzimierz Skiba Robert Skinner Yvo
Smellenbergh
Zsolt Szalavari Scott Taylor Massimo Valentini Timothy
Wegner
Drew Wells Chris Young
Other contributors are listed in the documentation.
Support libraries used by POV-Ray:
ZLib 1.2.1, Copyright 1995-1998 Jean-loup Gailly and Mark Adler
LibPNG 1.2.5, Copyright 1998-2002 Glenn Randers-Pehrson
LibJPEG 6b, Copyright 1998 Thomas G. Lane
LibTIFF 3.8.2, Copyright 1988-1997 Sam Leffler, 1991-1997 SGI
terminate called after throwing an instance of 'int'
Abort trap
iPod:~ root#
Aww :(
I wonder if anyone has ported gdb yet.
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> Support libraries used by POV-Ray:
> ZLib 1.2.1, Copyright 1995-1998 Jean-loup Gailly and Mark Adler
> LibPNG 1.2.5, Copyright 1998-2002 Glenn Randers-Pehrson
> LibJPEG 6b, Copyright 1998 Thomas G. Lane
> LibTIFF 3.8.2, Copyright 1988-1997 Sam Leffler, 1991-1997 SGI
> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'int'
> Abort trap
> iPod:~ root#
>
>
> Aww :(
>
> I wonder if anyone has ported gdb yet.
Um... OK, I'll bite. *Why* would you be attempting to run POV-Ray on a
device that has a 3 MHz CPU and a monochrome display? This doesn't seem
very sensible...
[FWIW, I recently discovered that my MP3 player now has an osciliscope,
a 3D cube, and a Mandelbrot explorer. All very silly really...]
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Invisible escribió:
> Um... OK, I'll bite. *Why* would you be attempting to run POV-Ray on a
> device that has a 3 MHz CPU and a monochrome display? This doesn't seem
> very sensible...
You're a few years outdated...
iPod touch runs OS X, has 128MB of RAM, a 620MHz ARM CPU underclocked to
412MHz, Wi-Fi, and I can check my email from it.
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Nicolas Alvarez escribió:
> Invisible escribió:
>> and a monochrome display?
and 480x320 pixels at 163 ppi, of course color
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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> iPod touch runs OS X, has 128MB of RAM, a 620MHz ARM CPU underclocked to
> 412MHz,
That seems a little overkill just for a simple MP3 player...
> Wi-Fi,
Ah-HAH! I *knew* somebody would do this sooner or later... Why be unable
to load more tunes onto your player just because you left the cable behind?
> and I can check my email from it.
Oh. Dear God.
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Invisible escribió:
> Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
>
>> iPod touch runs OS X, has 128MB of RAM, a 620MHz ARM CPU underclocked
>> to 412MHz,
>
> That seems a little overkill just for a simple MP3 player...
That's because it's not a simple MP3 player.
>> and I can check my email from it.
>
> Oh. Dear God.
Have you heard of the iPhone or are you still living under a rock? This
iPod is an iPhone minus bluetooth, the speaker, the camera, and of
course the phone features. All the other features are there.
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>> That seems a little overkill just for a simple MP3 player...
>
> That's because it's not a simple MP3 player.
Apparently so...
Well, I won't be buying one in a hurry. ;-) But then, we already knew
that. I already *have* a nice MP3 player...
> Have you heard of the iPhone or are you still living under a rock?
Heh. Even *I* have heard of the iPhone. (Although I couldn't tell you
what's supposed to be so great about it. Presumably the fact that it's
shiny...)
--
http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Invisible escribió:
>>> That seems a little overkill just for a simple MP3 player...
>>
>> That's because it's not a simple MP3 player.
>
> Apparently so...
Got 15 minutes? Check the video tour at apple.com. If not, at least
watch this 30-second video :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SctNJUtBLY
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Invisible escribió:
> Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
>> and I can check my email from it.
>
> Oh. Dear God.
Actually, I *could* check my email from it, can't anymore. I lost the
mail app (along with others) on my first failed attempt at jailbreaking.
I won't be paying 20 bucks for the "app pack" to get stuff I already
had, so I'll see if there is some h4x0r way to get them back.
And in fact, the iPod touch has those apps (I know it because I have
extracted the disk image from the firmware). The so-called app pack
probably just "unlocks" them.
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Nicolas Alvarez <nic### [at] gmailisthebestcom> wrote:
> I won't be paying 20 bucks for the "app pack" to get stuff I already
> had, so I'll see if there is some h4x0r way to get them back.
If you had that software legally it means that your iPod has a legal
license for that software. Unless I'm completely wrong, the license
entitles you to get the software again if you lost it.
Of course it may be that getting the software back is part of the
warranty, which you voided by hacking the device...
OTOH, is 20 dollars really that much money?
--
- Warp
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> > iPod touch runs OS X, has 128MB of RAM, a 620MHz ARM CPU underclocked to
> > 412MHz,
> That seems a little overkill just for a simple MP3 player...
It's a PDA, not an MP3 player.
--
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Warp escribió:
> Nicolas Alvarez <nic### [at] gmailisthebestcom> wrote:
>> I won't be paying 20 bucks for the "app pack" to get stuff I already
>> had, so I'll see if there is some h4x0r way to get them back.
>
> If you had that software legally it means that your iPod has a legal
> license for that software. Unless I'm completely wrong, the license
> entitles you to get the software again if you lost it.
Say somebody gives you a videogame as a gift. He paid for it, it's a
legal copy. And the physical media has some problem. If it's a
manufacturing defect, of course you could get it back from the game
company under warranty. But say you lost the disc, or your CD drive
broke it, or your dog ate it. Are you legally entitled to download it
off the Internet, or rip a friend's copy?
Like I said on the last paragraph of my first post, I didn't buy the
iPod. The iPod had those apps when it reached my hands, and I'd guess
Sun Learning Services got them legally. If *I* had bought the apps, they
would have been reloaded by iTunes when I connected the iPod again. But
I didn't buy the apps, they were there by the time I got the iPod. And
the iPod didn't come with any way to restore them...
> Of course it may be that getting the software back is part of the
> warranty, which you voided by hacking the device...
Note I didn't lose them by hacking the device. All I did was downgrade
the firmware (to an official and unmodified version) using iTunes. Sure,
*then* I hacked it, and that may void my warranty... But then I'm not
sure if iPod touch is even *sold* in my country, so maybe the warranty
doesn't even apply outside USA (for example, if the hardware breaks,
will anyone here know how to fix it?) And hey, my dad has an iPhone
jailbreaked *and* unlocked to work with local cellphone networks...
(although he actually paid for it) His warranty is probably quite lost
by now.
> OTOH, is 20 dollars really that much money?
My dad said he would pay for them if I wanted to (as far as I know, I
can't; or can minors get an iTunes store account directly?). It's not
about "is it too much or not". What if I had paid for the iPod and the
apps, and lost the apps for some reason, would I have to buy them again?
I had those apps before, so I don't see why I should pay to get them
back. And in fact, I'd rather pay somebody in the hacking community $20
to help me unlock those apps, than buying them. Because then I'd also
gain knowledge. Particularly, knowledge on how to get them back myself
if I lose them again.
Plus, paying to get the apps is nowhere near as *fun* as hacking my way
around it :]
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On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:37:15 +0100, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Heh. Even *I* have heard of the iPhone. (Although I couldn't tell you
> what's supposed to be so great about it. Presumably the fact that it's
> shiny...)
It has scrolling capability...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddnZQh2-wTA
--
FE
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Nicolas Alvarez <nic### [at] gmailisthebestcom> wrote:
> Say somebody gives you a videogame as a gift. He paid for it, it's a
> legal copy. And the physical media has some problem. If it's a
> manufacturing defect, of course you could get it back from the game
> company under warranty. But say you lost the disc, or your CD drive
> broke it, or your dog ate it. Are you legally entitled to download it
> off the Internet, or rip a friend's copy?
Without a written license that proves you have the right to use the
software? Probably not.
> Like I said on the last paragraph of my first post, I didn't buy the
> iPod. The iPod had those apps when it reached my hands, and I'd guess
> Sun Learning Services got them legally.
Maybe you could ask them?
> > Of course it may be that getting the software back is part of the
> > warranty, which you voided by hacking the device...
> Note I didn't lose them by hacking the device. All I did was downgrade
> the firmware
That may be considered the same thing. :P
> > OTOH, is 20 dollars really that much money?
> What if I had paid for the iPod and the
> apps, and lost the apps for some reason, would I have to buy them again?
I'm sure they would reinstall them at the shop as part of the warranty.
They do that all the time with cellphones.
--
- Warp
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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
<snip> ...
> Plus, paying to get the apps is nowhere near as *fun* as hacking my way
> around it :]
Thank $DEITY for people like you. As my sig used to say (in part):
Run Fast
Run Free
John
--
I will be brief but not nearly so brief as Salvador Dali, who gave the
world's shortest speech. He said, "I will be so brief I am already
finished," then he sat down.
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Warp wrote:
> Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
>
>>> iPod touch runs OS X, has 128MB of RAM, a 620MHz ARM CPU underclocked to
>>> 412MHz,
>
>> That seems a little overkill just for a simple MP3 player...
>
> It's a PDA, not an MP3 player.
An exceptionally poor one, tho, given that it doesn't have basic
functionality like to-do lists.
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
"That's pretty. Where's that?"
"It's the Age of Channelwood."
"We should go there on vacation some time."
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Nicolas Alvarez escribió:
> Actually, I *could* check my email from it, can't anymore. I lost the
> mail app (along with others) on my first failed attempt at jailbreaking.
> I won't be paying 20 bucks for the "app pack" to get stuff I already
> had, so I'll see if there is some h4x0r way to get them back.
>
> And in fact, the iPod touch has those apps (I know it because I have
> extracted the disk image from the firmware). The so-called app pack
> probably just "unlocks" them.
Current status:
- Firmware 1.1.3, successfully jailbroken.
- Installer.app[1] and Cydia[2] (a port of Debian's APT!). The latter
proving how much the former sucks[3].
- Mail, Maps, Weather, Notes, Stocks, and ability to customize home
screen. For free. All I had to do was install "iPod touch software
update" package (from a non-standard package source) after getting
1.1.3. [Note to self: figure out how to get rid of Stocks icon]
- A working ssh, with bash and GNU userland. Which was installed along
with Cydia. Much better[4] than the "BSD Subsystem" available on Installer.
- Still no working povray.
- Quite dirty touchscreen.
- Jailbreak-related files scattered on my computer (bad habit of
downloading and extracting on the nearest convenient directory). Gotta
clean that up.
[1] http://iphone.nullriver.com/
[2] http://cydia.saurik.com/
[3] http://www.saurik.com/id/2
[4] http://www.saurik.com/id/1, section "BSD Subsystem"
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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> > It's a PDA, not an MP3 player.
> An exceptionally poor one, tho, given that it doesn't have basic
> functionality like to-do lists.
Ok, it's a multimedia-oriented PDA. :P
--
- Warp
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Warp wrote:
> Ok, it's a multimedia-oriented PDA. :P
Heh. Is there any actual difference between a PDA and a PIM, or is it
just two marketing phrases for the same thing?
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
"That's pretty. Where's that?"
"It's the Age of Channelwood."
"We should go there on vacation some time."
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Darren New wrote:
>
> An exceptionally poor one, tho, given that it doesn't have basic
> functionality like to-do lists.
>
It's Apple, it doesn't need features to be cool.
--
Eero "Aero" Ahonen
http://www.zbxt.net
aer### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid
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Eero Ahonen wrote:
> It's Apple, it doesn't need features to be cool.
>:3
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Eero Ahonen wrote:
> It's Apple, it doesn't need features to be cool.
QOTW!
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
"That's pretty. Where's that?"
"It's the Age of Channelwood."
"We should go there on vacation some time."
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Eero Ahonen wrote:
> It's Apple, it doesn't need features to be cool.
Speaking of which, it looks like Apple is pulling the same stuff
Microsoft got spanked over 20 years ago. I think it's probably pretty
endemic to commercial software developers both making and using frameworks.
http://blog.vlad1.com/2008/02/28/finding-the-os-x-turbo-button/
http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
"That's pretty. Where's that?"
"It's the Age of Channelwood."
"We should go there on vacation some time."
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Testing iNewsGroup.
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Nicolas Alvarez escribió:
> Testing iNewsGroup.
I tried to reply to this message from the iPod itself, but I get "ERR:
application error". Oh well... It doesn't even show the thread
hierarchy! Definitely not a finished program :)
Screenshots:
http://stuff.povaddict.com.ar/ipod/nntp/
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And lo on Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:33:50 -0000, Doctor John
<doc### [at] gmailcom> did spake, saying:
> As my sig used to say (in part):
> Run Fast
> Run Free
Get Shot?
--
Phil Cook
--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com
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Phil Cook wrote:
> And lo on Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:33:50 -0000, Doctor John
> <doc### [at] gmailcom> did spake, saying:
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>> As my sig used to say (in part):
>> Run Fast
>> Run Free
>
> Get Shot?
>
From a Windows user, I count that as a compliment. <huge :-) >
At least you're using Opera and not OE so there is a chance you'll be
saved soon. <even bigger :-) >
John
--
I will be brief but not nearly so brief as Salvador Dali, who gave the
world's shortest speech. He said, "I will be so brief I am already
finished," then he sat down. But not before adding "Run Fast, Run Free,
Run Linux"
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