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From: nemesis
Subject: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 19 Feb 2008 12:15:32
Message: <47bb0eb4@news.povray.org>
this newsgroup is pretty silent without our resident blogger around... 
what do you think has happened to him?


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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 19 Feb 2008 12:28:57
Message: <op.t6r720wqc3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:15:32 -0000, nemesis  
<nam### [at] nospamgmailcom> did spake, saying:

> this newsgroup is pretty silent without our resident blogger around...  
> what do you think has happened to him?

According to his blog he was in London... yep looks like he's still there.

-- 
Phil Cook

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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 19 Feb 2008 13:52:35
Message: <47bb2573@news.povray.org>
nemesis escribió:
> this newsgroup is pretty silent without our resident blogger around... 

Fortunately. I already waste too much time reading forums and 
newsgroups. The less he talks, the less time I waste.

Although... yeah wonder where he is. Maybe he's being silent on purpose 
to see if we care. Or maybe not...


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 19 Feb 2008 15:29:05
Message: <gsemr3hscj1csdmmuumqvjavbe569nk1gi@4ax.com>
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:26:50 -0000, "Phil Cook"
<phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote:

>And lo on Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:15:32 -0000, nemesis  
><nam### [at] nospamgmailcom> did spake, saying:
>
>> this newsgroup is pretty silent without our resident blogger around...  
>> what do you think has happened to him?
>
>According to his blog he was in London... yep looks like he's still there.
>
>
I can't see him
And I would have met him for a pint and a good meal if he had mentioned.

Regards
	Stephen


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From: Orchid XP v7
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 19 Feb 2008 16:09:54
Message: <47bb45a2$1@news.povray.org>
nemesis wrote:
> this newsgroup is pretty silent without our resident blogger around... 
> what do you think has happened to him?

Irony: ...when you go to another country for a week and nobody notices, 
but you spend a long weekend in another city and people think you've 
been abducted. ;-)

Oh, and the heating in my house has been turned off the whole time. My 
bedroom has reached a new record temparature: 12°C. Damn that's cold!

Anyway, I'm home now - and tomorrow I have to go to work. :-S

PS. Not looking forward to getting naked and having a shower in these 
temparatures...

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From: Orchid XP v7
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 19 Feb 2008 16:10:55
Message: <47bb45df$1@news.povray.org>
Stephen wrote:

> I can't see him

That's because I'm... ;-)

> And I would have met him for a pint and a good meal if he had mentioned.

Heh. "London" is a pretty big area, no?

(I wasn't actually aware we had anybody near there. Indeed, I didn't 
think we had many people here in the UK at all...?)

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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 19 Feb 2008 16:11:50
Message: <47bb4616$1@news.povray.org>
Stephen wrote:
> I can't see him
> And I would have met him for a pint and a good meal if he had mentioned.

I thought he was from London.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 19 Feb 2008 16:38:30
Message: <hoimr3dvndb044stvapelq96cog43ngpkf@4ax.com>
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:10:56 +0000, Orchid XP v7 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:

>Stephen wrote:
>
>> I can't see him
>
>That's because I'm... ;-)

An Orchid?

>
>> And I would have met him for a pint and a good meal if he had mentioned.
>
>Heh. "London" is a pretty big area, no?
>
>(I wasn't actually aware we had anybody near there. Indeed, I didn't 
>think we had many people here in the UK at all...?)

Well there is a few of us Brits that post here and I think I've been snubbed so
I'm sulking :(
Seriously if you're up in town again we could go for a drink, that goes for
anyone I'm not fussy as long as you're paying :). St plans to be here in the
spring so if I'm not working away I know some cheep (and good) restaurants. 

Regards
	Stephen


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 19 Feb 2008 16:40:55
Message: <47bb4ce7$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 18:11:49 -0300, nemesis wrote:

> Stephen wrote:
>> I can't see him
>> And I would have met him for a pint and a good meal if he had
>> mentioned.
> 
> I thought he was from London.

No, he's from Milton Keynes, IIRC.

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 19 Feb 2008 16:43:36
Message: <47bb4d88@news.povray.org>
Try 5C (what it currently is here).  Actually, quite nice outside. :-)

Jim


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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 19 Feb 2008 16:58:43
Message: <47bb5113@news.povray.org>
Jim Henderson escribió:
> Try 5C (what it currently is here).  Actually, quite nice outside. :-)
> 

29C outside here. Fank thuck for air conditioners.


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 19 Feb 2008 16:59:56
Message: <47bb515c$1@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:58:40 -0200, Nicolas Alvarez wrote:

> Jim Henderson escribió:
>> Try 5C (what it currently is here).  Actually, quite nice outside. :-)
>> 
>> 
> 29C outside here. Fank thuck for air conditioners.

We'll get temps in that range in the next few months, I'm sure. :-)

Jim


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From: scott
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 20 Feb 2008 02:47:06
Message: <47bbdafa$1@news.povray.org>
> this newsgroup is pretty silent without our resident blogger around... 
> what do you think has happened to him?

He's been writing a ray tracer.


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From: Chambers
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 20 Feb 2008 03:44:09
Message: <47bbe859$1@news.povray.org>
Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> Jim Henderson escribió:
>> Try 5C (what it currently is here).  Actually, quite nice outside. :-)
>>
> 
> 29C outside here. Fank thuck for air conditioners.

We had temperatures in the sub-20's F for over a month, here.  That 
would be, what, -5 to -10 C?

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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 20 Feb 2008 04:38:21
Message: <op.t6tg1kw2c3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:40:55 -0000, Jim Henderson  
<nos### [at] nospamcom> did spake, saying:

> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 18:11:49 -0300, nemesis wrote:
>
>> Stephen wrote:
>>> I can't see him
>>> And I would have met him for a pint and a good meal if he had
>>> mentioned.
>>
>> I thought he was from London.
>
> No, he's from Milton Keynes, IIRC.

AKA "Satan's layby" (Bill Bailey)

Things people never say "I was driving down to London and thought 'I'll  
take this opportunity to stop off at Milton Keynes on the way'"

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Phil Cook

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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 20 Feb 2008 04:49:43
Message: <47bbf7b7$1@news.povray.org>
Phil Cook wrote:

> AKA "Satan's layby" (Bill Bailey)
> 
> Things people never say "I was driving down to London and thought 'I'll 
> take this opportunity to stop off at Milton Keynes on the way'"

Question: Why does everybody dislike MK so much? I think it's a really 
great place to live...

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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 20 Feb 2008 04:50:41
Message: <47bbf7f1$1@news.povray.org>
Jim Henderson wrote:
> Try 5C (what it currently is here).  Actually, quite nice outside. :-)

Oh, the temparature *outside* is 0°C. But I'm not going to get naked and 
try to sleep outside. :-P

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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 20 Feb 2008 04:51:53
Message: <47bbf839$1@news.povray.org>
>>> I can't see him
>> That's because I'm... ;-)
> 
> An Orchid?

Invisible. :-P

>> (I wasn't actually aware we had anybody near there. Indeed, I didn't 
>> think we had many people here in the UK at all...?)
> 
> Well there is a few of us Brits that post here and I think I've been snubbed so
> I'm sulking :(

o_O

> Seriously if you're up in town again we could go for a drink, that goes for
> anyone I'm not fussy as long as you're paying :). St plans to be here in the
> spring so if I'm not working away I know some cheep (and good) restaurants. 

Damn - now that's friendly... LOL!

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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 20 Feb 2008 05:03:50
Message: <op.t6th7rwqc3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:49:43 -0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> did  
spake, saying:

> Phil Cook wrote:
>
>> AKA "Satan's layby" (Bill Bailey)
>>  Things people never say "I was driving down to London and thought  
>> 'I'll take this opportunity to stop off at Milton Keynes on the way'"
>
> Question: Why does everybody dislike MK so much? I think it's a really  
> great place to live...

Because it's new and because it's been designed, which makes it totally  
non-English :-P

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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 20 Feb 2008 05:31:31
Message: <47bc0183@news.povray.org>
>> Question: Why does everybody dislike MK so much? I think it's a really 
>> great place to live...
> 
> Because it's new and because it's been designed, which makes it totally 
> non-English :-P

Riiiight... Well, I'd rather live in a place that had some *thought* put 
into it than some random thing that just *happened* by accident. :-P

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From: scott
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 20 Feb 2008 05:57:18
Message: <47bc078e@news.povray.org>
> Riiiight... Well, I'd rather live in a place that had some *thought* put 
> into it than some random thing that just *happened* by accident. :-P

So would I, but a lot of people find those places boring*.  Personally I 
would much prefer a system of roads named H1,H2,... and V1,V2,... plus the 
ability to drive through the town without getting stuck in a huge traffic 
jam. Have you ever tried to drive from one side of Reading to the other?


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 20 Feb 2008 06:18:16
Message: <4d1or35hqnt07lirfjqm489a7ljfucblah@4ax.com>
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:51:52 +0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:

>>>> I can't see him
>>> That's because I'm... ;-)
>> 
>> An Orchid?
>
>Invisible. :-P
>

I am a silly Billy :)

>>> (I wasn't actually aware we had anybody near there. Indeed, I didn't 
>>> think we had many people here in the UK at all...?)
>> 
>> Well there is a few of us Brits that post here and I think I've been snubbed so
>> I'm sulking :(
>
>o_O
>
>> Seriously if you're up in town again we could go for a drink, that goes for
>> anyone I'm not fussy as long as you're paying :). St plans to be here in the
>> spring so if I'm not working away I know some cheep (and good) restaurants. 
>
>Damn - now that's friendly... LOL!

Well it is hard to find people with similar interests in RL. I've only ever met
one Pover and spoken to one other who had heard of it. I also like showing off
my adopted hometown. So next time you come up to London drop me a mail. Again
that is an open invitation to all.

Regards
	Stephen


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 20 Feb 2008 06:41:53
Message: <47bc1201$1@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:
>> Riiiight... Well, I'd rather live in a place that had some *thought* 
>> put into it than some random thing that just *happened* by accident. :-P
> 
> So would I, but a lot of people find those places boring*.  Personally I 
> would much prefer a system of roads named H1,H2,... and V1,V2,... plus 
> the ability to drive through the town without getting stuck in a huge 
> traffic jam. Have you ever tried to drive from one side of Reading to 
> the other?

I tried to drive *into* Reading twice. And succeeded - eventually. But 
it wasn't fun. (I especially love the one-way system, and being told to 
"perform a U-turn" at a set of traffic lights on a 4-lane road in a 
residential area. That was great...)

Every year, Milton Keynes holds a demonstration of how efficient the 
road system is. We call it "The Milton Keynes Fireworks Display". 
Basically they detonate several hundred thousand pounds' worth of high 
explosives, and anybody who wants to can watch FOR FREE. They also have 
a very large funfair right next to it.

Probably something like 80% of MK turns up in their cars for this event. 
I wouldn't be surprised if a few peeps from Northampton or somewhere 
like that too. Slowly they all congregate in the central shopping center 
car park. But when the show finishes, THEY ALL TRY TO LEAVE AT ONCE!

So, 80% of the entire city's traffic, all concentrated at a single point 
in space, trying to leave. Simultaneously.

One could scarely imagine a worse scenario. The roads are (presumably) 
designed to handle the "typical" traffic volume plus a few percent of 
headroom. They're surely not designed at all to handle THE ENTIRE 
POPULUS trying to move through one grid at once.

Obviously, the actual car parks are stationary. But as soon as the 
traffic manages to get *out* of there, every 800 yards or so there are 
more and more turnings, the traffic volume drops off exponentially. 
Within about 20 minutes there is barely any evidence that anything 
unusual has happened. (!!)

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From: scott
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 20 Feb 2008 07:02:38
Message: <47bc16de@news.povray.org>
> I tried to drive *into* Reading twice. And succeeded - eventually. But it 
> wasn't fun. (I especially love the one-way system, and being told to 
> "perform a U-turn" at a set of traffic lights on a 4-lane road in a 
> residential area. That was great...)

Hehe yes, I used to live on one side of Reading and worked on the other ... 
not fun.  BTW I think Heathrow airport must receive the prize for worst 
traffic congestion, but then I suppose that's only because it's been allowed 
to grow to take 3x as many people as it was designed for without any changes 
to the road system.

> Probably something like 80% of MK turns up in their cars for this event. I 
> wouldn't be surprised if a few peeps from Northampton or somewhere like 
> that too. Slowly they all congregate in the central shopping center car 
> park. But when the show finishes, THEY ALL TRY TO LEAVE AT ONCE!

We have that situation here too, every week when one of our two football 
teams play at home.

> Obviously, the actual car parks are stationary. But as soon as the traffic 
> manages to get *out* of there, every 800 yards or so there are more and 
> more turnings, the traffic volume drops off exponentially. Within about 20 
> minutes there is barely any evidence that anything unusual has happened. 
> (!!)

Yeh ditto here, the football stadium is cleverly placed right next to where 
two autobahns cross, so immediately you have the choice of going 4 different 
directions each with 3 or 4 lanes, it helps a lot.  I still have memories of 
going to the British Formula 1 GP and it taking 3 or 4 hours just to get 10 
miles down the road...


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 20 Feb 2008 07:21:40
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scott wrote:
> Yeh ditto here, the football stadium is cleverly placed right next to 
> where two autobahns cross, so immediately you have the choice of going 4 
> different directions each with 3 or 4 lanes, it helps a lot.  I still 
> have memories of going to the British Formula 1 GP and it taking 3 or 4 
> hours just to get 10 miles down the road...

Yep. We visited Silverstone one year. [It's only a little way down the 
road.] Took many hours to get in, and to get out again!

(Remind me: Where is "here"?)

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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 20 Feb 2008 07:49:20
Message: <47bc21d0$1@news.povray.org>
Stephen wrote:

> Well it is hard to find people with similar interests in RL. I've only ever met
> one Pover and spoken to one other who had heard of it.

Ain't that the truth!

> I also like showing off
> my adopted hometown. So next time you come up to London drop me a mail. Again
> that is an open invitation to all.

Wow. LOL! You're a braver man than I am - inviting a heap of random 
people to come meet up sometime. ;-) Still, very friendly offer...

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From: scott
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 20 Feb 2008 08:02:30
Message: <47bc24e6@news.povray.org>
>> Yeh ditto here, the football stadium is cleverly placed right next to 
>> where two autobahns cross, so immediately you have the choice of going 4 
>> different directions each with 3 or 4 lanes, it helps a lot.  I still 
>> have memories of going to the British Formula 1 GP and it taking 3 or 4 
>> hours just to get 10 miles down the road...
>
> Yep. We visited Silverstone one year. [It's only a little way down the 
> road.] Took many hours to get in, and to get out again!

I have several memories of being in a queue to get in for an hour or two, 
and then a longer queue on the way out that never seemed to end.  I think 
it's mainly because Silverstone is in the middle of nowhere so *everyone* 
uses the same single-lane road for 20 miles or so until it gets to the 
motorway where some traffic goes different ways and starts to turn off.

Although recently it has improved, the FIA gave them some money to make a 
lot of the road dual-carriageway and basically threatened them to improve 
the access situation or they'd take away the race.

> (Remind me: Where is "here"?)

Munich, Germany.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 20 Feb 2008 08:19:43
Message: <37aor3d8n3bgr0r434a7ekuhu7ug813tie@4ax.com>
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:49:19 +0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:

>
>Wow. LOL! You're a braver man than I am - inviting a heap of random 
>people to come meet up sometime. ;-) Still, very friendly offer...

I'm not inviting anyone to my home or even giving away my address. And as you
said London is a large place. Anyway you can get a good idea of what people are
like by reading their postings over a period of time. I would even have met BdeW
:)

Regards
	Stephen


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 20 Feb 2008 08:20:45
Message: <47bc292d$1@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:

> I think it's mainly because Silverstone is in the middle of nowhere so 
> *everyone* uses the same single-lane road for 20 miles or so until it 
> gets to the motorway where some traffic goes different ways and starts 
> to turn off.

Basically, uh, yeah. "Silverstone" is a tiny little village. (Apparently 
some of the locals complain about their whole village being basically 
shut down for a few days a year by the race!) The race track is in the 
middle of nowhere, and there's no remotely large roads anywhere damn 
near it. PERFECT for a large-scale international event. :-D

>> (Remind me: Where is "here"?)
> 
> Munich, Germany.

Ooo, I've heard of that...

Is it true that none of the roads in Germany have a speed limit? Or is 
that just an urban myth?

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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 20 Feb 2008 08:22:15
Message: <47bc2987@news.povray.org>
Stephen wrote:

> I'm not inviting anyone to my home or even giving away my address. And as you
> said London is a large place. Anyway you can get a good idea of what people are
> like by reading their postings over a period of time.

Well, true.

I think if me and Warp ever met IRL, one of us might not survive. And I 
have a pretty good idea which one...

> I would even have met BdeW :)

OK, you just crossed the scary line... o_O

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From: scott
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 20 Feb 2008 08:44:41
Message: <47bc2ec9$1@news.povray.org>
> Basically, uh, yeah. "Silverstone" is a tiny little village. (Apparently 
> some of the locals complain about their whole village being basically shut 
> down for a few days a year by the race!) The race track is in the middle 
> of nowhere, and there's no remotely large roads anywhere damn near it. 
> PERFECT for a large-scale international event. :-D

Hehe, perfect to build a new motorway from it to an existing one then :-D

> Is it true that none of the roads in Germany have a speed limit? Or is 
> that just an urban myth?

I'd say that around here once you get away from the city and any big 
junctions, 75% of the *motorwarys* have no speed limits at all.  All other 
roads have limits the same as UK, ie about 60mph out of built up areas and 
30mph in towns and villages.


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 20 Feb 2008 08:46:29
Message: <47bc2f35$1@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:

>> Is it true that none of the roads in Germany have a speed limit? Or is 
>> that just an urban myth?
> 
> I'd say that around here once you get away from the city and any big 
> junctions, 75% of the *motorwarys* have no speed limits at all.

Ah - so *that's* why German cars are always so fast. ;-)

> All 
> other roads have limits the same as UK, ie about 60mph out of built up 
> areas and 30mph in towns and villages.

Interesting. In Switzerland at least, the limits are all in km rather 
than miles...

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From: scott
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 20 Feb 2008 09:01:07
Message: <47bc32a3$1@news.povray.org>
>>> Is it true that none of the roads in Germany have a speed limit? Or is 
>>> that just an urban myth?
>>
>> I'd say that around here once you get away from the city and any big 
>> junctions, 75% of the *motorwarys* have no speed limits at all.
>
> Ah - so *that's* why German cars are always so fast. ;-)

Actually all the major German manufacturers agreed voluntarily to limit 
their cars to 150mph.  Although you very rarely see anyone going that fast, 
around 100mph is pretty common, I guess 120 or 130 you see occasionally on a 
journey, but 150+ is not common at all.  I heard a story of someone *seeing* 
a Ferrari at "almost 200mph"...

The hardest part that I'm still not used to, is that when you see a police 
car, and you're doing 110mph, you don't have to slow down!  *That* takes a 
lot of getting used to.

>> All other roads have limits the same as UK, ie about 60mph out of built 
>> up areas and 30mph in towns and villages.
>
> Interesting. In Switzerland at least, the limits are all in km rather than 
> miles...

Well I converted them to mph for your benefit, they're actually 100 km/hr 
and 50 km/hr.  All countries around here use km, I've never seen miles used 
anywhere apart from UK and USA.  In fact my car doesn't even have mph on it, 
which makes it fun to drive in the UK ;-)


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 20 Feb 2008 09:01:16
Message: <mhcor3pqtkmf849vfmmqnnjmgkq5chodpb@4ax.com>
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:22:14 +0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:

>Stephen wrote:
>
>> I'm not inviting anyone to my home or even giving away my address. And as you
>> said London is a large place. Anyway you can get a good idea of what people are
>> like by reading their postings over a period of time.
>
>Well, true.
>
>I think if me and Warp ever met IRL, one of us might not survive. And I 
>have a pretty good idea which one...
>

I think that you do him an injustice :)

>> I would even have met BdeW :)
>
>OK, you just crossed the scary line... o_O

Do I look like your shadow? :-)


Regards
	Stephen


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From: Michael Zier
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 20 Feb 2008 09:05:27
Message: <47bc33a7$1@news.povray.org>
Am Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:46:29 +0000 schrieb Invisible:

>> All
>> other roads have limits the same as UK, ie about 60mph out of built up
>> areas and 30mph in towns and villages.
> 
> Interesting. In Switzerland at least, the limits are all in km rather
> than miles...

Of course we use the metric system in Germany, so FWIW it's 50km/h inside 
towns, villages..., 100km/h outside towns except motorways, and 130km/h 
as a guidance on the motorways, unless stated otherwise. The latter 
means, if you go faster than 130km/h on the motorway (Should I say 
autobahn? Everybody understands :P) and you crash, you'll get full credit 
for the crash.
Where I live, the eastern part of Germany, the far greater part of AB's 
are limited to 130km/h. Except the big ones connecting East and Eest 
Europe (A2, A4).


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 20 Feb 2008 09:05:43
Message: <0tcor31tk9qb2cus4cqit7huv3886b5rph@4ax.com>
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:01:29 +0100, "scott" <sco### [at] laptopcom> wrote:

>  I heard a story of someone *seeing* 
>a Ferrari at "almost 200mph"...

Red shifted?

Regards
	Stephen


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 20 Feb 2008 09:23:37
Message: <47bc37e9@news.povray.org>
>> I think if me and Warp ever met IRL, one of us might not survive. And I 
>> have a pretty good idea which one...
> 
> I think that you do him an injustice :)

Have you *seen* the guy?? Half of his head is made of metal... ._.

>>> I would even have met BdeW :)
>> OK, you just crossed the scary line... o_O
> 
> Do I look like your shadow? :-)

[...]
It's not the fact that he's following you,
It's that he's not trying to hide it, that's what's bothering you... o_O

-- 
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From: Bill Pragnell
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 20 Feb 2008 09:24:35
Message: <47bc3823$1@news.povray.org>
scott wrote:
> Actually all the major German manufacturers agreed voluntarily to limit 
> their cars to 150mph.  Although you very rarely see anyone going that 
> fast, around 100mph is pretty common, I guess 120 or 130 you see 
> occasionally on a journey, but 150+ is not common at all.  I heard a 
> story of someone *seeing* a Ferrari at "almost 200mph"...

I was in Germany for a meeting 3 or 4 years ago, and one of the Germans 
(Dutch actually, but runs a lab in Germany) told us about a visitor he 
once had from the USA. Apparently the guy was planning on renting a car 
after his plane landed, but changed his mind when he noticed, during 
landing, that the cars on the motorway parallel to the runway were 
actually overtaking his plane...


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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 20 Feb 2008 09:31:39
Message: <op.t6tumoz4c3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:31:30 -0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> did  
spake, saying:

>>> Question: Why does everybody dislike MK so much? I think it's a really  
>>> great place to live...
>>  Because it's new and because it's been designed, which makes it  
>> totally non-English :-P
>
> Riiiight... Well, I'd rather live in a place that had some *thought* put  
> into it than some random thing that just *happened* by accident. :-P

Well I wouldn't know anything about living in some randomly designed town.

-- 
Phil Cook

--
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http://flipc.blogspot.com


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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 20 Feb 2008 09:34:09
Message: <op.t6tuqszuc3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:41:53 -0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> did  
spake, saying:

> Every year, Milton Keynes holds a demonstration of how efficient the  
> road system is.

<snip>

> Slowly they all congregate in the central shopping center car park. But  
> when the show finishes, THEY ALL TRY TO LEAVE AT ONCE!

So as a celebration of the efficiency of the road system they demonstrate  
how to break it?

-- 
Phil Cook

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From: Gail Shaw
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 20 Feb 2008 09:58:30
Message: <47bc4016@news.povray.org>
"Nicolas Alvarez" <nic### [at] gmailisthebestcom> wrote in message
news:47bb5113@news.povray.org...
> Jim Henderson escribió:
> > Try 5C (what it currently is here).  Actually, quite nice outside. :-)
> >
>
> 29C outside here. Fank thuck for air conditioners.

32-35C for the last week. And no wind.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 20 Feb 2008 11:14:38
Message: <0ekor3pcusrdkd6jm27cjm79ba0f6m530d@4ax.com>
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:23:34 +0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:

>>> I think if me and Warp ever met IRL, one of us might not survive. And I 
>>> have a pretty good idea which one...
>> 
>> I think that you do him an injustice :)
>
>Have you *seen* the guy?? Half of his head is made of metal... ._.
>

LOL
I wonder who remembers that :)

>>>> I would even have met BdeW :)
>>> OK, you just crossed the scary line... o_O
>> 
>> Do I look like your shadow? :-)
>
>[...]
>It's not the fact that he's following you,
>It's that he's not trying to hide it, that's what's bothering you... o_O

:)

Regards
	Stephen


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 20 Feb 2008 11:35:18
Message: <47bc56c6$1@news.povray.org>
Stephen wrote:

>> [...]
>> It's not the fact that he's following you,
>> It's that he's not trying to hide it, that's what's bothering you... o_O
> 
> :)

It's a real song, BTW. (And a damn fine one...)

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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 20 Feb 2008 12:44:11
Message: <47bc66eb$1@news.povray.org>
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:37:58 +0000, Phil Cook wrote:

> And lo on Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:40:55 -0000, Jim Henderson
> <nos### [at] nospamcom> did spake, saying:
> 
>> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 18:11:49 -0300, nemesis wrote:
>>
>>> Stephen wrote:
>>>> I can't see him
>>>> And I would have met him for a pint and a good meal if he had
>>>> mentioned.
>>>
>>> I thought he was from London.
>>
>> No, he's from Milton Keynes, IIRC.
> 
> AKA "Satan's layby" (Bill Bailey)

From QI or somewhere else?  (I seem to remember that being on QI)

> Things people never say "I was driving down to London and thought 'I'll
> take this opportunity to stop off at Milton Keynes on the way'"

LOL

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 20 Feb 2008 12:44:44
Message: <47bc670c$1@news.povray.org>
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:49:43 +0000, Invisible wrote:

> Phil Cook wrote:
> 
>> AKA "Satan's layby" (Bill Bailey)
>> 
>> Things people never say "I was driving down to London and thought 'I'll
>> take this opportunity to stop off at Milton Keynes on the way'"
> 
> Question: Why does everybody dislike MK so much? I think it's a really
> great place to live...

Apart from the apparent lack of decent jobs and stores that you like to 
shop at, you mean?

Jim


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 20 Feb 2008 12:47:45
Message: <47bc67c1$1@news.povray.org>
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:50:40 +0000, Invisible wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Try 5C (what it currently is here).  Actually, quite nice outside. :-)
> 
> Oh, the temparature *outside* is 0°C. But I'm not going to get naked and
> try to sleep outside. :-P

That's probably a wise decision. :-)

Jim


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From: Orchid XP v7
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 20 Feb 2008 13:56:18
Message: <47bc77d2$1@news.povray.org>
>> Question: Why does everybody dislike MK so much? I think it's a really
>> great place to live...
> 
> Apart from the apparent lack of decent jobs and stores that you like to 
> shop at, you mean?

Lack of jobs... well maybe.

Lack of good shops? WTF? I can't think of *any* shops I want that aren't 
here...

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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 20 Feb 2008 14:12:08
Message: <47bc7b88$1@news.povray.org>
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:56:21 +0000, Orchid XP v7 wrote:

>>> Question: Why does everybody dislike MK so much? I think it's a really
>>> great place to live...
>> 
>> Apart from the apparent lack of decent jobs and stores that you like to
>> shop at, you mean?
> 
> Lack of jobs... well maybe.
> 
> Lack of good shops? WTF? I can't think of *any* shops I want that aren't
> here...

Music store?

Jim


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From: Orchid XP v7
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 20 Feb 2008 14:14:07
Message: <47bc7bff$1@news.povray.org>
>> Lack of good shops? WTF? I can't think of *any* shops I want that aren't
>> here...
> 
> Music store?

We have a number of shops that sell musical instruments. We don't have a 
really good source for sheet music, I'll grant you that one.

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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: was Andrew abducted?
Date: 20 Feb 2008 14:16:00
Message: <47bc7c70@news.povray.org>
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:14:10 +0000, Orchid XP v7 wrote:

>>> Lack of good shops? WTF? I can't think of *any* shops I want that
>>> aren't here...
>> 
>> Music store?
> 
> We have a number of shops that sell musical instruments. We don't have a
> really good source for sheet music, I'll grant you that one.

That's what I was thinking of - see, not only do people read your posts, 
some of us recall them as well. ;-)

Jim


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